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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:08 AM
Original message
Biden declines to sign letter for Gannon inquiry, while Kerry signs
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 10:49 AM by Califooyah Operative
2/24/2005
Biden declines to sign letter for Gannon inquiry, while Kerry signs
Headline at
www.RawStory.com

Edit Story is up:
In seeming break with his public comments on discredited White House reporter Jeff Gannon, Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE), the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has declined to sign a letter calling for an inquiry, RAW STORY has learned. Meanwhile, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) has signed on.
..........
Biden press secretary Chip Unruh said the senator was not given enough time to carefully consider the letter circulated by Democratic whip Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL). Unruh expressed frustration that his office was given only a few hours to seek the senator’s opinion.
.........
“Senator Kerry will be signing,” April Boyd, Kerry’s deputy press secretary, said.
............
“Given the unprecedented level of security in Washington since 9/11, it is troubling that that a non-journalist using a false name and working for a sham news organization could have gained regular access to the White House for such an extended period of time,” Durbin wrote.
........
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=123

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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:09 AM
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1. I love that picure in your sig!! N/T
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. So much for supporting Biden in 08..
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #3
54. Yeah. He's a real disappointment more often than not.
Every damn time I almost warm up to him, I turn around and get slapped in the face OR get a dose of cold water thrown in my face by him.

Too, he's such a pro-Iraq war hawk I don't know why I even allow myself to get just a little seduced by him every now and then.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #54
88. I've been noticing that too. n/t
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #3
112. I wasn't impressed with Biden during the Thomas hearing
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #112
113. I wasn't impressed w/him during the Oliver North hearing n/m
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #113
117. No balls, dino Bidden. What a surprise. n/t
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #1
12. I soooo love that sig picture. May I steal for bumper sticker?
Wow, that is awesome.
I am VERY happy that Kerry is signing that letter.
BraVo!

and... I'm very surprised re Biden. hmmm.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #12
16. thanks, a lot of people seem to like that pic, hehe,
I don't own it, i found it on somebody elses profile on myspace, he said he found it randomly on the internet and didn't care if i used it. So it's up to you.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. I just printed it out and put it on the wall in my office.
We got talked to about putting stuff up on our office doors, but they didn't say anything about inside my office... :)

Right next to my Robert Frost, Aldo Leopold, Maya Angelou, and Thoreau quotes.

Olaf the Viking

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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #18
42. Olaf -- very cool group for quotes. Share?
Maybe we should have a thread for sharing quotes?
Or a group?

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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #42
50. That would be a good idea...
here is what I have on my wall:

"There is nothing in which birds differ more from man than the way in which they can build and yet leave a landscape as it was before".
-Robert Lynd

"We abuse the land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect".
-Aldo Leopold

"What good is a house if you haven't got a decent planet to put it on".
-Henry David Thoreau

"A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a song".
-Maya Angelou


The Road Not Taken

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

- Robert Frost


Olaf the Viking
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #50
85. What I keep on my computer...
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 01:19 PM by Jeff in Cincinnati
"The tools I need for my work are paper, tobacco, food, and a little whiskey" -- Faulkner

But then I quite smoking, so I doubled my whiskey ration.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #42
55. See link...
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #12
46. Wow, where did you get this photo?
It's fabulous!
Kerry is being consistent, it's very encouraging.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:10 AM
Response to Original message
2. What's the matter with Biden?
Is he going the way of Lieberman?
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #2
10. No He Just Wants...
to "grow-up" and "get over it" and just get along with everyone in perfect harmony. He talks a marginal game, but he is a glutton for punishment at best.

Jay
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #10
20. I swear he thinks if you play nice with them, they will play nice with
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 10:57 AM by Pirate Smile
you.

Hellllooo, Joe???

Where have you been? They don't work that way. Ask the AARP.

What Kerry's office said
“Senator Kerry will be signing,” April Boyd, Kerry’s press secretary, said.

“There’s more screening to get into a Bush for President rally than the White House press room,” Boyd added. “A Girl Scout troop can’t even go on a public tour of the White House, but a Republican Party right wing activist of sketchy origins got daily West Wing access? This latest

scandal makes Armstrong Williams look like a saint by comparison.”
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liberalcenter Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #20
31. Just like Gore
in 2000
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:12 AM
Response to Original message
4. I can't believe Biden! After he mouthed off on the subject on Bill Maher's
show. What a dick. I used to think he was a voice of reason, but the more I hear from him after the election, the more I think he's an opportunist, and not to be trusted.

Damn!
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silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Publicity hound
...with an ego that just won't stop.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Biden must really, really like wearing his pink tutu
See him go, first from the left:

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Zen Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #6
37. Ya know, other than Edwards, the rest really make me wonder...
Very funny BTW
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #6
65. Why support the RW agenda?
This photo is disgusting and inappropriate. Also, if you even read the original message Kerry not only signed, but gave a very strong comment on this subject. What does it accomplish to demean one of the strongest Democratic voices available? (Esp on this issue, given the circumstances that Gannon was used against him, his outspoken position on this issue is more valuable than any one else's. I can't think of anyone who can more capably keep the moral high ground on this issue.)

Yet you prefer to bash Biden and continue to mock Kerry.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #65
78. That photo expresses what lot of DUers feel about those people.
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 12:42 PM by Sterling
Supporting the RW agenda would be claiming they are being too aggressive in stopping the republicans.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #78
99. The reason I said that this photo supports the RW agenda
is that among other things they have tried to show Democrats and Kerry in particular as not as manly as Bush. (Never mind that Kerry played in 4 sports in college and Bush was a cheerleader in Prep school.) Think about the "metrosexual", manicures moment that Fox news made up, the orange tan before the first debate etc.

I realize you metaphor is different, but it is offensive.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #99
100. News Flash: Kerry Manlier Than Bush (No Photoshop Needed)

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #65
83. Amen Karyn
People here always trash Kerry, no matter what he does, even if it's positive, people will still berate him for it. :mad: :argh: :grr:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #4
14. What exactly did he say on Maher's show? n/t
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #14
17. He talked it up a about how if the...
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 10:31 AM by olafvikingr
Dems were in charge of the Senate there would be an investigation and how there needed to be an investigation.

Crickets Biden...I hear crickets now.

Olaf the Viking
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #14
21. Here Ya Go
MAHER: I want to just ask this question. If this was the Clinton White
House and this story broke, tell me an angry mob with torches would not
be involved. Why do the Republicans get a pass on this stuff, when you
know this is impeachable with the other party?


BIDEN: The press. The bottom line is that, why isn't every major network
in the country investigating a security breach? Forget anything else.
How could the F.B.I....seventeen years I was Chairman of the Judiciary
Committee and the Ranking Member, I read more F.B.I. reports than I ever
wanted to know. How could that happen and no one have any idea who this
guy was? Forget everything else, assume he went in there and he was a
saint. How could that be? We should know that.

There should be, the Judiciary Committee of the United States Senate
should be investigating it, the House Judiciary Committee should be
investigating it. And if it were the other party in charge, it would be
investigated.


Jay
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #21
52. It's hard to believe that he would not sign this thing after being
so vociferous on Maher's show.
Still, these are the times of lies and deceit.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #21
86. And then right after that, Maher said...
something like,

Looks like you've got your work cut out for you when you get back to D.C.

To which Biden answered,

Yeah but, the problem is that only the Chairman of the committee can call for an investigation.


:shrug:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
97. A Quicktime clip of the Bill Maher Show
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #4
34. he's a blowhard
like a lot of our leaders today, unfortunately... but i think times are a changing ;->

peace
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #4
39. i was thinking the same thing n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #4
70. That son of a bitch said congress SHOULD be investigating this.
Maher show!!! Fuck him. Another goddam politician talking out of both sides of his ass.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #4
71. dupe
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 12:45 PM by spanone
.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. The word "SPINELESS" springs to mind. n/t
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madhat Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:15 AM
Response to Original message
7. What's Biden's phone #?
Hey, all the bad stuff has a DELAWARE address, doesn't it?
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. Contacts
DELAWARE OFFICES

Wilmington
1105 N. Market St.
Suite 2000
Wilmington, DE 19801-1233
Phone: 302-573-6345
Fax: 302-573-6351

Milford
24 NW Front St.
Windsor Building, Suite 101
Milford, DE 19963
Phone: (302) 424-8090
Fax: (302) 424-8098

WASHINGTON, D.C. OFFICE

201 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510

Phone: 202-224-5042
Fax: 202-224-0139
TDD: 202-224-5652

http://biden.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #7
27. self delete
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 11:43 AM by truthpusher
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:18 AM
Response to Original message
8. i am glad bidet is showing his colors now
won't have to waste time entertaining thoughts of his being a future leader.
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:24 AM
Response to Original message
11. obviously biden cant play with the big boys. talks a good one though. nt
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adarling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:26 AM
Response to Original message
13. What the hell is wrong with Biden
They have been pansies long enough, they all need to take a stand, they are not going to get anything done for their state if they don't take a stand some place. I am disappointed in Biden, but Kerry is the man!!!:toast:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #13
61. that's a good question -- what, indeed, would DETER someone from
from such a non-controversial political act?
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:27 AM
Response to Original message
15. another name added to the NO-WAY candidate in '08 list...
John Kerry
John Edwards
Al Gore
Joe Lieberman
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden

I will NOT support or vote for ANY of these candidates as POTUS, or even V-POTUS.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #15
24. Has anyone noticed that Kerry IS signing it? Hello? n/t
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #15
28. Biden has always shown his colors
As an oldie having watched and listened to Biden during the Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill hearings, and observing Biden again in numerous other hearings, he totally comes across as the typical politician, playing for his own power base yet tossing in a few words to appear as a broker for the people. He apparently plays the game well according to DC ethics and he and his hair plugs have survived all the in-fighting, yet I have seen little if anything that he has accomplished for the Democrats or for our Nation.

I wouldn't vote for Biden for the local dog catcher and certainly don't consider him presidential material.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #28
59. OK Joe - are you hearing this? By the time I count to ten, you better be
picking up your MontBlanc and signing that damn thing!

Your window of opportunity is clooossssiiiinnnnngggg....

One....Two.....:think:
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #28
72. I will never forget the way he treated
Anita Hill. My distrust started then. He has done nothing 2 redeem himself since.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #28
104. Here's another 'oldie'
who has kept an eye on Biden throughout the years. He has always operated on the same level, never truly committed to taking a solid stance on any issue. He has always struck me a being the Democratic Barry Goldwater, never sure how he stands on the issues.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #15
60. Gee, you are fast running out of candidates, it's only Feb, 2005
I assume that if you are liberal you may have also ruled out Bayh and Warner. By 2007, I'm sure even Feingold and Boxer will have made your list. So, who will you support?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #15
82. Whatever
:mad:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #15
103. Any particular reason?
Edwards is fighting for the poor.

Kerry's 2005 record so far has been good, plus he's fighting for health care, the soldiers' benefits, and getting Rummy outta there.

Al Gore's been fighting against the war and for the environment.

Lieberman...cough...

Hillary ... cough,cough...

(I'll leave it up to the constituents of those two.)

And well, Biden talks a good game, but the votes haven't been there. I don't know what to think about him. He might be a publicity hound. I dunno.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #103
110. they're just more of the same, old, same-old thing.
The DLC had their chance(s), and gave us two losing tickets that wouldn't fight for the victory(i.e. us) and also via Bill Clinton, we were blessed with death of local flavor from the FTC; the WTO, NAFTA, welfare reform, and the protection of marriage act, for starters.

it's time for some new blood, new ideas, and a new focus.
I'm tired of repug-lite.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:34 AM
Response to Original message
19. Biden's mouth must be very sore these days,
since he's been exercising both sides of it. What a wimp.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:35 AM
Response to Original message
22. They may never post an article...is this fair to Mr. Biden?
...lots of times Raw Story will run a headline and never follow up with an article. In some cases, I am guessing it is because the story changed or there lead was wrong. Once they have a story available, it is usually a 'Raw Story' article (and we all know 'Raw Story' doesn't have a political agenda, right?). Anyhow, I am not sure if it is fair to Mr. Biden; Biden may change his mind or the story may be up prematurely and without good sourcing, you never know. I saw the headline and frankly, in all fairness, I would have waited for it to hit another source before posting.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. well,
I took it and posted it like any other breaking headline, same thing happens if cnn says something without backing it up right away. Rawstory is responsible for their content, if they're being shady, you should take it up with them. It's up to the people on here to make the best judgment on this, just like any other story from any other source.

I'm not flaming biden over this, just passing along a headline.

If the story changes, i'm sure we'll find out.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #25
30. You may have done right...
...in posting the story. It may turn out that Biden deserves the two-faced label he will get from people reading this. But what if it doesn't? As you can see, his contact #'s are already up and I am sure he is already getting flamed with calls from DU people. One other thing, would you post a headline from 'Drudge Report' without a back-up link? I don't want to be hard on you, I am sure you only have the best intentions. I think the Moderators have a little to do with my irritation. I have seen them allow links to headlines and biased news sources; and other times I see them pull the post's. What barometer they use, I don't know?
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. I understand your concern,
The story is up now, with their sources fyi.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #22
26. we need to let his contituents know, so they can contact him
maybe the story will change by the time it's posted!

Couldn't hurt...
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #22
49. when have we run a headline we didn't follow up?
curious. just not true.

and feel free to call biden's office for your own comment, as anyone is always able to do.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:42 AM
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57. I apologize if that's the case...
...I have been reprimanded in the past by moderators for linking to sites like Raw Story that have (thank you) political leanings. The explanation being what I noted in my post. No offense, I greatly appreciate your website. My issue has more to do with the DU posting rules for LBN.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:47 AM
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58. Raw Story...
I deleted another post that mentioned your name. I don't want people to get the wrong idea about your site. After reading your post again, I want to apologize for making assumptions.
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:36 AM
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23. Biden is a hawk
Did anyone listen to Biden in the committee hearings on Iraq, prior the invasion. Biden was doing everything to ensure the Idiot-King Bush would have his war.

I never liked the guy. He sounds like someone ready to sell me a lemon, no matter the product.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:48 AM
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29. The Story is up now. nt
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:03 AM
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38. Biden said he did not have enough time to review it...
...it doesn't sound like he's lying. This is a pretty big deal. Just because others are signing on doesn't mean he should do it without studying it. If the Dem's started signing everything before the read it, we would be acting more like the Repukes. I am sorry, but I will have to take the unpopular step of saying Biden has every right not to sign the letter until he can back it up.

By the way, whether he signs the letter or not, he did more for the cause by speaking up on HBO than most others. Let's not deny him that.
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:16 AM
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41. I look at it another way ...
Truthpusher wrote,

By the way, whether he signs the letter or not, he did more for the cause by speaking up on HBO than most others. Let's not deny him that.

Then how does it look when he does one thing and does another. People will say that he doesn't follow through. Then the US-State-controlled-corporate-media will set him up with a question concerning such. Then Biden will sound out more double speak.

I think it does more to undermine his position, whatever that may be.

As far as not having time to review it ... well ... not only is that one of the famous/infamous put off lines, but it contradicts why he spouted off about it in the first place.

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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:25 AM
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48. Exactly, it undermines 'his' position....
...he must have thought it was important enough to risk that. However, the media creates a force for change (as much as we hate it). If the media does not pick up on this it may very well lose its momentum. Biden did a great deal for keeping this afloat. Even the Today show benefited the cause by interviewing Gannon, it all helps.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:58 AM
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64. agreed -- the Guck scandal is anything but subtle
you are either on the bus or off the bus
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:56 AM
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32. This is the letter I faxed Biden yesterday
I am writing you to ask that you sign on to Senator Durbin's letter
regarding an inquiry into the Gannon/Guckert media plant. This is
something that needs to be addressed. The propaganda that is coming
out daily from this administration is disgraceful and the payola is courtesy of our tax dollars.

The Democrats need to stick together on this issue and MANY issues. WE
MUST BE A UNIFIED PARTY! This is just the tip of the iceberg. We must
forge ahead and keep all of these breaches of American trust out in the
open if the Democrats hope to regain either the House or the Senate in
2006. If we don't, all of America loses!

You stated on the Bill Maher show this weekend that you would support an investigation thru the Senate Judiciary if it was possible, but
that it wasn't since the Dems are in the minority. Here's your chance to show you really meant what you said. Senators Durbin and Lautenberg should have the whole Democratic party behind them on this effort.

We don't need weak, middle of the road, "play nice" democrats representing us. This is a fight for the future of our nation, democracy itself and all the ideals that Americans hold dear, that
have made this country great in the past, AND it requires that you,
as a representative of the people, step up to bat.

The Dems lost representation in Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman and Ken
Salazar. As a citizen of Delaware, and a Biden voter since I could cast a ballot, I hope we don't lose you too.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:57 AM
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35. Let's see, he signed on for the Patriot Act though didn't he...
how much time did he have to review that?

Now to be fair, I think just about everyone signed on for that, but I am seeing a disproportionate amount of rhetoric to action from Biden. He needs to do better. We need to make him do better.

Olaf the Viking
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:19 PM
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67. very good point - eom
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65 rambler lady Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #35
77. I think
Feingold didn't sign the Patriot Act
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jeanmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 10:57 AM
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36. Hmmm, have an idea
Maybe we can get Neil Kinnock to sign for Biden?
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:15 AM
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40. Update: Also signing: Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA)... More expected...
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 11:17 AM by Califooyah Operative
They just keep adding onto this one... -this headline is on the front page, not the article page.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:18 AM
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43. His aide's explanation sounds trés lame...
"Asked why Biden would express such unequivocal support for an investigation and yet not sign Durbin’s letter, Unruh told RAW STORY that the senator was not given time to sign, and felt that no investigation would take place anyway since Republicans control both Houses of Congress."

Not given time? Gee, maybe they thought he was a given, since he was on national tv saying he supported an investigation?

And an investigation wouldn't happen anyway? Love that old can-do spirit!


Biden's playing some kind of game here, and it ain't helping his credibility.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:21 AM
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44. Biden is corrupt, he's from Delaware, what do you expect
Delaware, the most corrupt Blue state in the nation.
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98geoduck Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:24 AM
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47. Deleware may be a close second to Corrupticut and Liebermann
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #44
73. Says a New Yorker?!? Come on now -- let's be a little more proactive here
Should we talk about Guiliani and his darling Kerik? I think we all agree there's plenty of corruption going on in every state. I don't love everything about mine but it's natural to be offended by generalizing remarks like that.

PJ

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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:16 PM
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84. I'm from New York State...
which by the way includes more than NYC. Guiliani (ex-mayor) and Kerik (never was) are not at the same level as a U.S. Senator. Rudy had his chance and his light is dimming. I think it goes without saying however that there is corruption at EVERY level of government.

For example, without being specific about where, a local town just had several people on it's board appoint there own spouses as their "secretaries". These are paid positions and they simply submit the hours they "claim" to work and get paid.

Pitiful.

Olaf the Viking
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:23 AM
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45. Biden is still a Democrat?
Who knew?
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easyreader Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:35 AM
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51. My take on Biden...
is that he can be tenacious at times, but he's a bit of a show-boater.

It's strange in retrospect to think about Biden getting called to task for plagarism in the late 80's. Can you imagine a scandal errupting for Bush on the same charges? It would never happen.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:36 AM
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53. Hi whisper to Condi
I still can't believe that he whispered in Condi's ear after her confirmation hearings, something to the effect of --- don't pay any attention to them (Dems who had given her a deserved hard-time.

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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:55 AM
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63. LOL n/t
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:40 AM
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56. Biden & Liberman are on the same ship ...sinking!!!
in the sea of corruption!!!
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #56
90. Lets send a torpedo to finish them off.........SEND A LOUD MESSAGE !
to those two.......we don't need them......go home!
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:54 AM
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62. he votes for Condi Rice, but he can't sign this for an inquiry?
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:17 PM
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66. Biden on Gannon in SF Chronicle
San Francisco Chronicle
Who is Jeff Gannon?
February 24, 2004


snip

As Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., pointed out during a meeting with The Chronicle editorial board Wednesday, the Guckert case, at a minimum, suggests "sheer, friggin' incompetence,'' in terms of White House security. Biden said Congress should investigate this potential breach of security, but he acknowledged such a probe would never occur with Republicans in control of the House and Senate.

snip

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/24/EDGJJBFG2M1.DTL
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:25 PM
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68. He's my senator and here's what I sent him just now:
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:21:40 -0500
To: senator@biden.senate.gov
From: xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Let's have some action with the talk Joe -


Come on Joe --- It's getting awfully hard to support you in my dealings with the Democratic Undergrounders.....

This is one I didn't even think I had to write you about and now you're not on board?

You've been a hero several times with your comments but not much on follow through. This is just the latest of many opportunities where most of the forum feels you sell out in the interest of bipartisanship. We're past that point now - it's time to fight. I'm telling you -- watch for the support for people like Dean, Conyers and Boxer......it's real and growing daily. Just because you're outnumbered doesn't mean you can't at least take on a fight. Don't be afraid to lose as long as you're speaking out for the TRUTH!

Trying to hang with you but.....
xxxxxxxxxx

================================================

2/24/2005
Biden declines to sign letter for Gannon inquiry, while Kerry signs

In seeming break with his public comments on discredited White House reporter Jeff Gannon, Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE), the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has declined to sign a letter calling for an inquiry

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=123

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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:26 PM
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69. Remember what he did in 1988.
He dropped out of the presidential race after being caught plagiarizing a speech by Neil Kinnock. I'm not saying he shouldn't sign, but maybe he doesn't want the pugs to be able to use anything that might overshadow the investigation.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:38 PM
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76. Then why does he even consider running in 2008?
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:34 PM
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74. Kerry better
be signing everything anti-Bush he sees.
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Lauri16 Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:43 PM
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79. Sounds to me like
Biden's got himself a republican ball-washer.
apologies to Lewis Black :P
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:43 PM
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80. His actions never match his rhetoric; what else is new? NT
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Willy Lee Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 12:44 PM
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81. Please email him and let him know your views. eom
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:41 PM
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87. Everyone write their senators -- here's mine to my GOP senator:
We have followed, with growing alarm, the story about the fake journalist, James Guckert, who was able to receive daily access to the White House. Now it appears he may have also received access to inside information regarding Valerie Plame's status as a covert CIA agent. What started as an amusing and titillating little story has now blown into what appears to be serious manipulation of the press by the White House. We strongly urge you to add your signature to the petition now being circulated by Senators Reid and Durbin asking for an investigation into this matter. Should this investigation be suppressed due to partisan politics, it calls into question the integrity of Congress itself.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:47 PM
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89. Here are the members of the Judiciary Committee and their links
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seventythree Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 03:12 PM
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98. thanks for making it easy to email
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:55 PM
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91. Biden is such a weeney..... His Gonzoles "I like you" remark haunts me
War loving, torture ignoring, dingbat.
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:57 PM
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92. What a little biyatch he is.
That's actually the second time I've had to say that about him in a month (the Condi confirmation was the first).
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:16 PM
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93. What can we expect from an idiot who disgraced himself
by admitting that the plagiarized somebody else's writing? The dolt could have at least disgraced himself by doing something exciting. Along with that one, the brain tumor thing should have been enough to oust him in favor of a more effectual candidate.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:17 PM
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94. Kerry didn't suck Gannon's dick, while Biden did.
Biden is one of them!
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:18 PM
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95. Not enough time to consider a 1-page letter???
And this dude signed the 350-page PATRIOT act after how much time???
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 02:31 PM
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96. Talk is cheap. Actions SPEAK LOUDER than words!
Sure, Biden "spoke out" on HBO, however, today, when ACTION is necessary-Biden comes up EMPTY! How long does it take to read a letter and either agree or disagree? He sure showed himself to be pumped up on the issue Saturday evening. This letter has been in circulation for over 24 hours. I don't buy Unruh's "frustration"..."a few hours to seek the senator's opinion"? I believe he gave the entire nation his "OPINION" on Saturday evening's show. Apparently, he has changed his mind. But why? Only Biden knows the real answer to that question. Peace!
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:15 PM
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101. He says: "no investigation would take place anyway since Repubs control...
both Houses of Congress" per a quote from him in the article

WTF????????? Geez, maybe dems should just close up shop for the next 4 years if he is using that crappy excuse...
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 06:23 PM
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102. Don't forget, Biden gave us Clarence Thomas on the SC.
jerk.
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:41 PM
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105. Biden to seek nomination - but which party?
The republicans best friend. There is nothing worse (politically speaking) than a conservative who masqerades as a liberal. Biden is the worst example. Pukes hate him because he has a (D) next to his name, but he is a great friend to them. If he were to switch parties: a) dems would never miss him, and b) he would fit right in with the other Pukes. I am from Delaware and I never fail to vote for ANYONE who runs against him. I would much rather have a conservative Puke than a right-wing dem. Cynical bigots suck, but hypocrits are unbearable.

If Biden had an (R) next to his name no one would be calling him too liberal for the republican party.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 07:54 PM
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106. I've been watching Biden with great interest of late.. From C-span to
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 07:55 PM by AzDar
Bill Maher...He is just tooooo much the consummate politician for my taste;always speaking, but never really SAYING anything. Not what our
limping party needs right now, imho.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:46 PM
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107. Biden's such an asswipe.
Go away joe.

Please.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 08:55 PM
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108. love the sig.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:01 PM
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109. And Biden has Presidential ambitions?
Fuck him. I don't care if he had 10 minutes, how long does it take to get this?

Kudos to Kerry.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:19 AM
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111. love the sig photos!! & really love Durbin's comment!
“Given the unprecedented level of security in Washington since 9/11, it is troubling that that a non-journalist using a false name and working for a sham news organization could have gained regular access to the White House for such an extended period of time,” Durbin wrote.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:14 AM
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114. I love for photo display, I am glad to see Kerry sign the letter
Time to tell the truth concerning Jeff Gannon and all that goes on around him.

:kick:
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:26 AM
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115. Excellent Depiction in Picture. Very Bad for Biden!
I'm sincerely disappointed and shocked of Biden. Like you state, our security is the most vital issues of all and to have a mole just inches from our Prez is what's missing from this story, as well.

Who's to say... next time it could very well be a terrorist! Don't the Freepers even get that one!?!

:crazy:
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:43 PM
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116. I've been suspicious that the right
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 09:44 PM by mountainvue
has something on Biden for a while now.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:20 PM
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118. ah joe--you've been letting us down for years
what's wrong with you?
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