Dems going nuclear over book's Iran claim (Swiftie Jerome Corsi)

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/284007p-243240c.html

After their bitter campaign 2004 experience with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, John Kerry and his fellow Dems aren't waiting to be shot at again.

Yesterday, aides to Sens. Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy jumped all over literary mugger Jerome Corsi, co-author of the Kerry-bashing best seller "Unfit for Command."

They knocked him to the ground and kicked him in the face (metaphorically, anyway) over his next Democrattrashing tome, "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians."

The book - which Nashville's Cumberland House Publishing won't release till next month - claims Democratic pols are being corrupted by Iranian money and helping the nuke-seeking mullahs in Tehran.

But Kerry spokesman David Wade told me yesterday: "I doubt anyone who isn't wearing a tin-foil hat will take their foreign-policy cues from a proven liar who became infamous smearing the Pope, Catholics, Jews and Vietnam veterans."

[qanda]

1. Not to mention Halliburton

Making a good portion of its money off of Iran.

[still_one]

2. they should either sue them or STFU

Kerry should sue them for the swift puke lies, but he didn't

It still isn't too late

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE DEMOCRATS!!!

[jswordy]

10. Kerry is a public figure, so the comments are fair game under U.S. law

A lawsuit would be a waste of time.

Next....

[BadGimp]

3. wow well now we know the next move of the BUshistas

Iran or bust.

[TexasLawyer]

28. right

If the Dems attempt any effective opposition to a US war on Iran, the RW will skewer them with "information" from this book (and from the RW echo chamber that's talking about the book). The Dems have been bought and paid for by the ayatollahs-- they don't want war because they are doing the enemy's bidding.

Lord, we could use a functioning, free media right about now. Why don't people like the Swift Boat Liars get called on their total crap live and in prime time?

[Ouabache]

32. Yep, this is McCarthyism on Steroids now

brought to you ONCE AGAIN by Republicans.

[rlpincus]

4. Sue Cumberland House

They should demand Corsi's sources--which will suck-- then call Cumberland House and say they are going to sue their pants off. And they should call Fox News and give them the exclusive.

[jswordy]

11. All the folks in the book are public figures under U.S. law...

...and are fair game. A suit would be tossed out before reaching first base. Geez, before we start shouting "SUE" maybe we ought to know the laws of the land first???

Heheheheh.

[fob]

15. So because someone is a public figure I can just go ahead and

make a bunch of shit up, publish it and then stand on the corner and scream "You can't sue me, jackoff. You're a public official!"


I don't think so. Public official or not, libel is libel.


Whoops. Just realized the heheheheh, got me. (posting anyway)

[megatherium]

16. Public figures can sue for libel

but the standard for libel is much higher: you must prove that the lie was deliberate and with malicious intent.

[VirginiaDem]

21. It seems to me that's quite doable...

and it's been done before. The malicious intent part is fairly self-evident. The deliberate lie part is the trick but all one would have to do would be to find quotes/sections/phrases that were fabricated or distorted in a manner that would have to have been known. I know that's tough but I also think it's not so common to find that type of error in right-wing books these days. Franken's take downs have turned up more than a few cases of right-wingers simply making stuff up out of whole cloth.

[struggle4progress]

34. There's a lawsuit that would bring a twinkle to my rheumy eye.

[lthuedk]

35. Ummm, not if there is damage to reputation and/or earnings.

That is why many public figures have sued...and won...large cases of slander.

[pokercat999]

42. Agreed, I'm looking in the closet for my baseball bat. NT

[paineinthearse]

23. self-delete

[madrchsod]

5. kerry`s mouthpiece?

didn`t these idiots learn anything? but i`ll wait to see if even the right wing thinks this book is to stupid to comment on.

[Democat]

40. Kerry's spokesperson must be stupid or living in a fantasy

Did he miss the 2004 election?

Many Americans believed every lie that the Bush admin spread because the lies are easier for them to accept than the truth. Many Americans prefer lies to the truth.

Maybe Kerry needs to fire his entire staff and start over.

[annabanana]

6. Nice to see this upfront in the Daily News!

(NOT a part of the liberalelitemedia)

[Roland99]

7. And the Iran/Contra thugs were working in the best interests of the US?

[raysr]

8. They take there cues

from proven liars daily, why should Corsi be any different.

[ananda]

9. what's wrong?

Most of the Democrats in the Senate have been intimidated or bought off. That's what's wrong. In a political culture where success means contributions and corporate backing, constituents and the good of the country and planet are no longer important.

Sue

[Roland99]

14. We need some martyrs in the government

People who are willing to to do *the right thing* with no fear of not being re-elected.

I'm willing to take the challenge if someone wants to build a campaign fund for me. :D

[SoCalDem]

31. Jimmy Carter needs to come forward and "take the gloves off"

He HAS to know the smarmy details. Reagan (Bush1, actually) masterminded the whole "hostage release photo op".. Iran was probably ready to release the hostages early on, but they received "signals" from Reagan/Bush that they would "receive special treatment" if they waited until Reagan was elected/inaugurated.. James Baker was the "envoy"... Not surprisingly Baker was also "involved" in the Israel/Palestine deal that Clinton arranged.. It was so close, and then.......cue crickets.....

I know that "past presidents" are not supposed to talk out of class about things that happened in their administrations..things that were caused by subsequent ones.. you know... the "dirty tricks"..

Times have changed, and they need to tell. It's too importnat now, to just let bygones be bygones.

*² actually has thrown down the gauntlet already by insinuatiung that every problem HE has, is somehow tied to "previous adminsitration's oversights"..

We pretty much know that we will not be seeing any unabridged presidential papers of Reagan OR any of the Bush-kings, so once Carter and Clinton are gone, there will be no one left to set the record stratight.

The republicans can always come up with slimebags like the SwiftieLiars, and there are plenty of rightwing "publishing" venues to churn out their crap.. They are rewriting history, plain and simple.. There is nothing to even measure it by, since the "official records" are likely sealed forever.

Even in the records are eventually opened up, they will have had 20-30 years to "tidy things up"..

I would like to see presidential records opened IMMEDIATELY (with the exception of obviously top secret stuff)..

We pay their salaries..they are OUR employees.. We have a RIGHT to know what they do/did in our names.:grr:

[Frances]

12. The mistake that many Democrats

have made is that they assumed that the great majority of the voters think rationally.

Bill Moyers wrote an excellent article explaining that this is not true. A very significant number of people in Congress have an over 80% approval rating from fundamentalist religious groups. The leaders of these religious groups believe that the Rapture is coming soon. These people actually want a mess in the middle East because that means the Rapture is that much closer. In other words, Jim Jones is in the White House and controls the Congress. And we are all going to drink the Kool Aid.

[Colorado Blue]

13. One of my greatest fears is that the Rapture freaks are

actively working to f*(_up the Middle East and cause a catastrophe.

[angrydemocrat]

17. I hope they continue to slam this lying bastards sorry ass!

I say go Democrats!!! Slam And Can His Sorry Lying Ass!! And I hope the other dude sues the hell out of him! Hell yeah sue him so bad that he won't have a penny left to even buy a roll of asswipe to wipe his sorry stinkin lying bigot ass!!! I'm listening to MSNBC as I always do(bad habit) anyhow Ron Reagan's show is on and they are talking about how the Swifty Liars are attacking the AARP now over *'s S.S. plan's.

Ron asked that one dude why does he think anyone would believe anything that the "Swift Boat Liars" have to say because the facts have proven they are liars. And he stressed "LIARS" to the other guy. Then the other guy said they weren't liars and he disagreed with Ron on that. Ron spoke up and said but oh yes they are they facts speak otherwise. Then Monica Crowley (Nixon Bitch) being the bitch she is said, well I have to say something to what Ron just said about the Swift Vets, I have spoken to many of them and they are honorable men who served their country. Ron spoke up and said well then they need to learn to tell the "TRUTH INSTEAD OF LYING." He pointed out several times that these men were proven liars. WAY TO GO RON!!

Then he got back to the attacks they got out about the AARP. (High class people now they attack senior citizens of this country) He ask that about the ad the put out saying the AARP supports gay marriage and doesn't support the troops. Ron asked the guy first off what does gay marriage have to do with S.S. and supporting the troops and how can they sit and say that the senior citizens don't support the troops. The dude said some bullshit about this was just to get things fired up and that the AARP was one of the biggest Liberal supporting groups in the country that is determine to stop *'s plan's on S.S. and they are determine to stop them and destroy them.

Another words these bastards are not willing to say they believe the content of their own ads but only that they are out to stop anyone that tries to get in the way of their plan's even if comes down to lying about senior citizens in this country and destroy them to get what they want. And they are out to destroy all liberals in this country.

[RamboLiberal]

18. Damn - why can't they put Ron on in the evening

oh I forgot - any talking-head with any integrity has to be hidden away so most viewers will never get the truth.

[angrydemocrat]

19. Ron's Show

Is aired weekday's at 12:00 and then he comes on at 5:00 on MSNBC. I was glad to see them finally give Ron his own show. It is just to bad that he got stuck with the Nixon bitch Monica Crowley. Oh well Ron has already proven he doesn't give a shit what she has to say.

[seito]

20. Keith Olbermann is on at 8pm ET, 5pm PT on MSNBC

He does a mighty fine job delivering the truth. I do wish Ron was on in the evening. They should have given him the 9pm slot on MSNBC.

[Kimber Scott]

22. They should NEVER doubt the gullibility of the American people. NEVER!

My God, look who we have for a president. NEVER,ever, doubt! You think he would know that by now.

[Toots]

24. "I doubt Anyone Will take Them Seriously".......Famous last words

A Lie told often enough and loud enough eventually becomes truth (in people's minds anyway). It will get major distribution and people (those that voted republican) will believe. they are in for too much now to begin having doubts. They have to believe if they stop believing now their whole house of cards will tumble.

[Democat]

39. If many Americans weren't ignorant enough to believe lies Kerry would be..

The President right now. Of all people to know that many Americans prefer lies to the truth, Kerry should know that.

[wryter2000]

25. Oh, really?

But Kerry spokesman David Wade told me yesterday: "I doubt anyone who isn't wearing a tin-foil hat will take their foreign-policy cues from a proven liar who became infamous smearing the Pope, Catholics, Jews and Vietnam veterans."

Oh, really? They believed him the last time. Didn't you learn anything in 2004?

[Nothing Without Hope]

26. The new book is just a forecast of Rethug talking points

I can't believe that the Kerry spokesperson can't believe that the public won't believe what that book of lies and deliberate rabble-rousing pro-war propaganda will tell them to believe.

Most of the people are being fooled all of the time by this administration. Why does the Kerry camp still expect decency, logic and intelligence? What are they thinking? ARE they thinking?

[paineinthearse]

27. Atomic Iran - parallel thread

Yesterday I did not see this thread and opened one in GENERAL. Go to http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3172897 some additional information as well as some great posts.

Going forward, please keep me in mind (PM or email) when you learn of new Corsi developments (this sludge from NJ is moving to my state).

[paineinthearse]

29. Not-so-swift watch group

RamboLiberal and I have discussed the possibility of forming a DU "Not-so-swift" watch group. We would need 10 members to petition the admins. If you are interested, PM RamboLiberal or me. In the subject line, include NOTSOSWIFT.


Read the “organization” rule - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=206x10

Draft mission statement.

1. To monitor activities of the Swift Boats Vets/POW's group.
2. Alert DU members to activities.
3. Educate DU members of their hateful campaigns and deception.

We would do this by:

1. Monitoring the Swift Boats Vets/POW's web site and press releases.
2. Maintain Disinopedia.
3. Discussing strategy away from DU in a member-only Yahoo group.

[Toucano]

30. But the sad thing is they will.

"I doubt anyone who isn't wearing a tin-foil hat will take their foreign-policy cues from a proven liar who became infamous smearing the Pope, Catholics, Jews and Vietnam veterans."

[jpgray]

33. Eliot Abrams is laughing his ass off at the irony right now

From his position in the Bush administration.

[CoffeeCat]

36. This is evidence that Bush is planning on invading Iran...

...how transparent are these people??

This piece-of-trash, heap-of-lies "book" is designed to destroy Dem credibility on Iran and to render the Dems impotent when they mention the word "Iran."

This is sooo, soooo Rovian.

The Republicans are viciously creating a "reality" with this book.

The book is a marketing device for getting these sick ideas into the public arena and reframing the Iran-US war debate.

Republicans know that they can't win if the debate about Iran is honest. They can't sell the American public on more war, as the Dems point out the monetary cost, past intelligence blunders, an unprecedented deficit, a stretched military, domestic problems and the international repercussions of more war.

This book creates a new reality. Now, the argument isn't about the honest pros and cons of going into Iran--the debate is now about how the Dems aided nuke-selling Iranian mullahs and how the Dems took Iranian money and can't possibly speak one iota on this issue--because they're kow towing to the Iranians.

Beautiful. Just beautiful.

The Dems will spend hours defending themselves. And you can't defend yourself against false allegations that are repeated over and over and over again!!! Kerry couldn't do it! Once they get these insidious allegations in the press---it's fucking over. We've all ready lost. Just like Kerry lost the very second that the network news programs legitimized John O'Neil's sick vendetta-based lies, by giving him air time.

As the Dems hobble in the muck, with allegations flying everywhere, the Republicans will effortless glide forward--with their Iran/US war agenda.

Have fun America! We're going into Iran.

[GetTheRightVote]

37. I am glad to see they are up to fighting, fits our parties image now

:kick:

[Democat]

38. Defense is a small part of the picture - Dems must attack Republicans!

Attacking some loser author means very little.

Democrats need to go on a full scale offensive showing the American people how Bush and his buddies are owned by the Saudis and the oil producers in the Middle East.

Defense or offense against unimportant targets is exactly what the Republicans want.

The last thing Republicans expect or want from Democrats is a full scale offensive against the most important targets they have - Bush, DeLay, Frist, and the rest of the big names.

We need to learn to make them pay for their attacks. You don't make them pay by defending yourself, you make them pay by hitting back three times as hard.

[Catherine Vincent]

41. Who will buy the book?

Blind fucking freepers, that's who. And they'll believe every word of it.