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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:38 AM
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Ape hunters infected with 2 new viruses
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/63130.php

Published: 02.26.2005

Ape hunters infected with 2 new viruses
REUTERS

WASHINGTON - Two new retroviruses never before seen in humans have turned up among people who regularly hunt monkeys in Cameroon, researchers reported Friday.

Like the AIDS virus, these viruses insert their genetic material directly into cells and perhaps even into a person's or animal's chromosomes. Closely related versions of the viruses cause leukemia, and inflammatory and neurological diseases.

The two new viruses are called human T-lymphotropic virus types 3 and 4 or HTLV-3 and HTLV-4. They are closely related to two known viruses called HTLV-1 and HTLV-2, which experts believe were transmitted to people, like HIV, from monkeys and apes.

Researchers examined blood samples from 930 Cameroonians who had handled or eaten bush meat - monkeys or apes hunted for food.


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:41 AM
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1. Apes just don't wanna be food.
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 02:42 AM by aquart
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:48 AM
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2. Ya talk about Karma!!!
Whoah!!!
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 03:07 AM
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3. Since these bastards are most likely responsible for aids
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 03:07 AM by RapidCreek
and are now gracing the human animal with other like viruses, is seems to me this might be a time when the US could actually do some good stepping in and forcing the countries in which this is occuring to make the hunting of primates or selling of thier meat a capital offense....Do something like Leaky did with the Elephant poachers and shoot them on sight.




RC
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 03:36 AM
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5. That's an over-simplification.
The article states there are two retroviruses which have been identified. HIV is a lentivirus, a subgroup of the retroviral family. Retroviruses are interesting because they are one of the few genetic entities which integrate in the human genome and have the potential to spread vertically, from generation to generation.

Retroviral genetic content in the human genome is not necessarily indicative of infection, or of the discovery of a "new" virus.

Before you freak out and start saying "shoot them on sight," consider the fact that there is an entire field of study devoted to understanding "Human Endogenous Retroviruses," or "HERVs." These are retroviruses which infected the germline (spermatozoa or oocytes) of your or my great great great great great etc. ancestors.

The presence of a retroviral sequence in the human genome is NOT an automatic indicator of some foul or perfidious behavior which should be punished.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 03:33 AM
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4. What about other means of transmission
Seems like that would be the main issue. What about contacts with those infected who hadn't eaten primates?
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 03:38 AM
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6. Avoid bodily fluids other than your own
or your partner who has been tested. These viruses don't aerosolize, they seem to be limited to bodily excretions and fluids.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 03:51 AM
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8. That sounds like good advice in any situation
But what about the study?
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 04:08 AM
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9. The study itself is unpublished.
I could speculate, but that's just a best guess.

The fact that thay're considering calling these viruses "HTLV3 and 4" strongly suggests that these viruses are simple retroviruses. Maybe I am wayyyyy off base here, but these, in my opinion, are a blip on the map.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 03:50 AM
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7. Bet this will get some HIV-conspiracy believers PO'ed
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 03:51 AM by NickB79
Because, as we all know, HIV was made in a government lab in the 60's as a bioweapon. There's no way it could be a natural species jump from primates :eyes:
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 04:12 AM
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11. If they get on your nerves, ask them to provide
a molecular model of the Rev response element as it would have appeared in the 50/60's.

I love a good conspiracy theory. If it has a basis.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 04:09 AM
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10. apes aren't monkeys
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 04:20 AM by imenja
They represent two distinct families in the animal kingdom. So which was it? The editors don't seem to know. It does matter, because apes are closer biologically to human beings. That would seem to be a pertinent issue when considering contagious diseases.

"Within the suborder of anthropoids, primates are grouped into monkeys, apes and hominids. The easiest way to distinguish monkeys from the other anthropoids is to look for a tail. Most monkey species have tails, but no apes or hominids do. Monkeys are much more like other mammals than apes and humans are. For example, most monkeys cannot swing from branch to branch, as apes and humans can, because their shoulder bones have a different structure. Instead, monkeys run along the tops of branches. Their skeletal structure is similar to a cat, dog or other four-footed animal, and they move in the same sort of way. On the evolutionary line leading to humans, monkeys split off long before apes did.

The apes, which include gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans and gibbons, are much more like human beings than monkeys or lower primates are. They have the same basic body structure, possess a high level of intelligence and may exhibit similar behavior. Chimpanzees, humans' closest living relatives, use simple tools extensively and even have culture to some degree. Different chimpanzee social groups develop their own unique tendencies and behaviors, which may be in stark contrast to the behaviors of another group. Gorillas, chimpanzees and orangutans exhibit extensive language capability as well, though they do not have the necessary physiological adaptations to produce speech. Scientists have taught apes of all three species to use sign language, as well as special computer keyboards. Apes have even invented their own words in these languages, demonstrating higher cognitive ability.

Hominids are distinguished from apes mainly by mode of locomotion. While apes predominantly use all four limbs to move along the ground, hominids have developed upright bipedal walking -- that is, they walk erect, using only their hind limbs. Switching from quadrupedal walking to bipedal walking was a crucial development in man's evolution because it freed up our ancestors' hands. This allowed them to carry and use tools while walking, which played a significant role in the development of civilization. Humans and extinct hominids are also characterized by large brains and advanced reasoning capabilities.

To make a long story short, "ape" and "monkey" are not synonymous. Apes, such as gorillas and chimpanzees, have evolved along parallel lines with human beings, and are quite close to us in a number of respects (chimpanzees and humans share 98 percent of their genetic material). On the evolutionary tree, apes are no more monkeys than we are."

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question660.htm
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 04:17 AM
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12. well said.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 05:32 AM
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14. One of my biggest annoyances...
...is when people call chimpanzees or gorillas "monkeys."
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 04:48 AM
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13. Bush Meat?? what about "CHIMP" hunters? we need good Chimp Hunters
to free our Democracy
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 05:47 AM
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15. Good. Too bad it probably won't end with the murderers. n/t
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