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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 01:08 PM
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(AFP) Concern over mines in Iraq
Mon, 28 Feb 2005

Human Rights Watch raised a red flag on Monday over US plans to deploy a new system of remote-controlled anti-personnel mines in Iraq.

The New York-based rights watchdog said the US Army had failed to answer critical questions regarding the potential harm the mines might pose to civilians.

The new system, called Matrix, allows a soldier with a laptop computer to detonate Claymore mines remotely via radio signal from several kilometers away.

While Claymores normally propel lethal fragments from 40 to 60 metres across a 60-degree arc, Human Right Watch said US Army tests indicated that the hazard range for the new system was as far as 300 metres.

(more at link)
<http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/419708.htm>
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 01:43 PM
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1. I guess the army was getting IED-Envy
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 01:45 PM by Spinzonner
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 02:45 PM
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5. exactly
next, look for the American version of VBD's, complete with euphemisms.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 03:38 PM
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6. O.K., you got me, What's VBD?
:shrug:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:55 AM
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15. Probably a fancy name for a car bomb.
Vehicle Borne Device would be my guess.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 01:49 PM
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2. Civilians? What civilians?
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 01:50 PM by meganmonkey
If they aren't dead by now, they're certainly terrorists!

:eyes:

yes, it's sarcasm. sort of. ;)
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 02:22 PM
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3. Oh Sorry, This one got through the "filter." They mean...
"Collateral Damage"

I hope the "Thought Police" didn't see that.:freak:

Did you see what this said? 300m kill range. :wtf: That's 1000ft or 3 football fields placed end to end!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 02:43 PM
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4. Oh, right. 'Collateral Damage'
That way we can imagine it isn't PEOPLE!!!!!

Aaaaarrrgggggg... :(
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 03:42 PM
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7. Sounds kind of like a system someone would use to protect oil pipelines
Doesn't it?

Don

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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 04:07 PM
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8. I bet you're right
Claymore mines are highly directional:think: :grr:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:37 AM
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14. Pipelines - that sounds about right.
It would take millions or even tens of millions to cover the entire network, but that is probably the plan. It would probably kill plenty of civilians.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 06:18 PM
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9. Concern over mines in Iraq (U.S. remote controlled Claymores)
http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/419708.htm

Human Rights Watch raised a red flag on Monday over US plans to deploy a new system of remote-controlled anti-personnel mines in Iraq.

The New York-based rights watchdog said the US Army had failed to answer critical questions regarding the potential harm the mines might pose to civilians.

The new system, called Matrix, allows a soldier with a laptop computer to detonate Claymore mines remotely via radio signal from several kilometers away.

While Claymores normally propel lethal fragments from 40 to 60 metres across a 60-degree arc, Human Right Watch said US Army tests indicated that the hazard range for the new system was as far as 300 metres.

"A faraway blip on a laptop screen is hardly a surefire method of determining if you are about to kill an enemy combatant or an unsuspecting civilian," said Steve Goose, executive director of the watchdog's arms division.

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 06:18 PM
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10. how can you use these in a guerilla war...
without taking out scores of civilians, too?

are the "insurgents" just roaming around an empty desert?

:shrug:
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 06:18 PM
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11. So when did we worry about civilians?
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 06:18 PM
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12. Isn't this just our bloatedly
expensive answer to the Iraqi guerrilla's IEDs, which they are fashioning from leftover artilllery shells and detonating via cell phone signals or somesuch?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 11:58 PM
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13. We should take a poll on how much the Pentigon...
Edited on Mon Feb-28-05 11:59 PM by Up2Late
...is wasting on this (in Billions), and what company got the contract.:argh:

My guess is 15 Billion and Carlyle Group:mad:
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