APPEALS COURT: THE CA ELECTION MUST GO ON

[WilliamPitt]

CNN now.

[Nottingham]

1. Oh Goodie!

:bounce:

[Fridays Child]

12. I think this may be a good thing, actually.

The California 'pukes are in complete disarray and their party is badly split. Issa, the author of this whole fraud, is rejecting the recall. Davis is gaining in the polls and support for the recall is slipping.

Seems like the timing couldn't be better.

[radwriter0555]

15. This IS good. FUKC the GOP POWER grab. Let's Get OUT and VOTE NO ON THE

RECALL.

[diplomats]

16. I agree

eom

[wtmusic]

2. Let's get it over with

[BattyDem]

3. That's great because

the thought of 5 more months of Arnold was making me ill. :puke:

[quispquake]

4. So what was the reasoning?

...and can the 'reasoning' be used to cause the SCOTUS some grief over Bush/Gore???

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. Actually I doubt it CAN be for the following reason

California's RULES about hand counts are not the sme as Florida and not nearly as ambiguous.

[qb]

7. The reasoning was probably to prevent causing SCOTUS grief.

That slap by the 3-judge panel was just too good. I'm sure the supremes got some sympathy from some of the other judges.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. Davis will win it's too late for a Reoub to back out now

It won't make a difference. *crossing fingers NOT authoritative*

[WilliamPitt]

8. I think Issa handed this thing to Davis

when he came out against the recount yesterday. I mean, Jesus baldheaded Christ. The guy who started this thing now says it shouldn't happen. Davis can shrug and point and say, Hello?

Issa may have been trying to defuse internecine GOP fighting...but he torpedoed his own boat.

[robbedvoter]

10. Against the recount? Please explain.

I missed the statement - but was it against the recall, maybe?
(I am having Florida deja vu too)

[Tempest]

11. Issa's statement

Issa, who started recall, now tells voters to reject it
Risk of GOP vote being split prompts call to retain Davis

John Wildermuth, Chronicle Political Writer

URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/09/23/ISSA.TMP

The GOP congressman whose money put the recall on the ballot urged Republicans Monday to keep Democratic Gov. Gray Davis in office if neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor Tom McClintock pulls out of the race by election day.

"If two major Republicans remain on the ballot, I'd advise you to vote 'no' on the recall," said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista (San Diego County), who spent more than $1.6 million of his own money to help gather signatures to recall Davis.

"It would absolutely guarantee that (Democratic Lt. Gov.) Cruz Bustamante will be the governor, even though a majority of voters are asking for a no-tax solution" to California's budget problems, Issa told a lunchtime meeting of the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco.

[Mr. Brown of MD]

13. Took his ball and went home

Hell, I'd be pissed if I spent $1.7 million on something and all of the other kids on the block were stealing my thunder.

I'm sure it was for selfish reasons that Issa said what he did, but hey, if it means good things for us, he can say whatever the hell he wants.

-CollegeDude
Takes 'em where he can get 'em

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

18. One can only hope Davis has enough money left to make a commercial

with that feed.

[Bake]

27. Now William, I've told you this before ...

Jesus was NOT baldheaded!

Bake

[dfong63]

40. but if mcclintock does withdraw... all bets are off

[flamingyouth]

9. You're right

I was in Calif. several weeks ago and my politico & journalist friends all said that the recall would fail. I thought, at the time, that they were on crack, but now I see the light and think they are totally correct.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

14. Issa probably advising against the recall to keep Davis a target for later

The repubs don't want to watch a Democrat win yet again despite the hostile environment. This is one pissed off citizen of the SF Bay area who will be at the polls on Oct. 7.

[realFedUp]

17. Any news about an appeal to the Supremes?

Will the ACLU appeal this now? If we had more time, I'd
love to see the high court decide on this one....sometime
a state will have to challenge Bush v Gore.

Wonder what they based the decision on?

[Shrek]

23. Here's an excerpt from the ruling

This at least part of the court's reasoning:


If the recall election scheduled for October 7, 2003, is enjoined, it is certain that the state of California and its citizens will suffer material hardship by virtue of the enormous resources already invested in reliance on the election’s proceeding on the announced date. Time and money have been spent to prepare voter information pamphlets and sample ballots, mail absentee ballots, and hire and train poll workers. Public officials have been forced to divert their attention from their official duties in order to campaign. Candidates have crafted their message to the voters in light of the originally-announced schedule and calibrated their message to the political and social environment of the time. They have raised funds under current campaign contribution laws and expended them in reliance on the election’s taking place on October 7. Potential voters have given their attention to the candidates’ messages and prepared themselves to vote. Hundreds of thousands of absentee voters have already cast their votes in similar reliance upon the election going forward on the timetable announced by the state. These investments of time, money, and the exercise of citizenship rights cannot be returned. If the election is postponed, citizens who have already cast a vote will effectively be told that the vote does not count and that they must vote again. In short, the status quo that existed at the time the election was set cannot be restored because this election has already begun.

Here's a link to the ruling (PDF format).

[realFedUp]

25. "material hardship"

yeah, that too....sounds like a kinda flimsy argument to
this layperson, but what the hell.

[lanlady]

32. ACLU stated that it will not appeal

n/t

[0007]

38. That's good to hear!

*

[DK666]

19. Im a Southern California Democrat (1 of 3 known to exist)

If the recall would have been extended the republicants would have taken it to the SCOTUS and bitched and whined about how unfair it is. However now that its stays in october the republicants will bitch and complain that its a state matter and the SCOTUS should mot be involved.

First off I am a California Voter my vote for Davis was nullified by Issa and his slack jawed republican drones.

Now they tell us that not everyone in california will be voting the same way. This means if one system has a higher error rate than the other one areas votes count more than another areas votes.

I personally do not want ANOTHER vote of mine nullified because the republicans are in a hurry to finnish driving california into the ground.


2cents...


Pissed off and waiting.

[realFedUp]

21. I concur

and there are lots of SoCal Dems who voted last year
for Davis...

[Zhade]

30. Make that 4 known to exist - I voted for Davis too.

NT!

[Emillereid]

31. Number 5 here --

This recall has undermine the last vestige of electoral fairness. Most people are totally uninformed on how the recall came about, what the real issues are -- and from what I can gather are reacting to sound bites and celebrity. Maybe people are too stupid for democracy to work -- how can we have a working democracy when so many of the citizens/voters are so poorly informed. I despair.

[DK666]

36. Famous Quote

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill....

[Emboldened Chimp]

37. Make that 6

I voted for Davis knowing full well that the state was in debt, that he floated a $20 billion bond initiative to cover energy costs, and showed just about zero leadership during the energy crisis. We should honor our elections, which is why I'll vote NO on the recall, and YES for Bustemante.

[Brotherjohn]

20. The media (entertainment at least) is getting bold criticizing Arnie.

John Stewart, on the Emmy's no less, said "So you people are thinking about Schwarzeneggar for Governor?" Then he paused and said "Pathetic!"

David Letterman's number 1 on his Top Ten things he had Miss America say to the nation last night was something like: "Governor Schwarzeneggar?! Are you people MORONS!!"

Admittedly, these are just late-night comics. But if they are being so bold saying that it would be really STUPID to elect the terminator as Governor, then maybe it is starting to sink in to Californians. It is, after all, incredibly obvious.

[DK666]

26. Link to the franken interview

YOU MUST HAVE REAL PLAYER.

rtsp://st21g1.services.att-idns.net/v1/494/1742/2597/dailyshow/celeb/celeb_8027_300.rm

[sonias]

22. Bring it on!

Lets get the circus over. I think California will do the right thing and kick Arnold in the pants.

Sonia

[davidinalameda]

24. no surprise

figured they would do as much

[Bake]

28. I think this is a good thing.

Postponing the election would just give the Pukes more time to start more lies about Bustamante, Davis, etc. More time for Ahhnuld to figure out that he's screwing himself by ducking the debates etc. More time to figure out how to steal the election.

Although I'm not a Californian, I think from my observation the time is ripe NOW to give it to the Pukes right up the ol' back door, hard.

Bake

[onehandle]

29. Yesterday was the last day to register to vote in CA...

That's what one of our folks in the Bartcop forum says.

Interesting timing. How many Democrats didn't run to register in the last week because they thought they had six months.

[xxqqqzme]

34. 22nd was last day 2 register

people didn't run 2 register cuz voter registration has been working overtime - I volunteered 2 register 4 the local Dem committee - 2 days a week in the last month - I was @ the pier and @ the local community college. People were glad 2 C us. And happily re-registered w/ name or address changes.

Sept 30th is last day to request absentee ballot. Request ONE 2day. Mine is in the mail 2day.

NO on the recall - NO on 54!

[Name removed]

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[rocktivity]

35. So is it still on for October 7?

rocknation

[FlemingsGhost]

39. Cue the circus calliope: "The show must go on..."

Complete with gaggle of clowns, a midget and the strongman.

[KamaAina]

41. The appellate process exists for one reason

to ensure that the power structure never, ever loses in the end.

Think of all the high-profile jury awards against greedy corporations that get thrown out on appeal. The $80 million award is splashed across Page 1, the reversal on appeal is placed on page C14 below the recap of the auto show, and the injured party never sees a dime.

And now this. Perish the thought that they might have to wait until March, when there's already a scheduled primary election. That won't do, you see, because it's an active primary season for Democrats, and not for Repukes. We can't let anything stand that might lead to a high turnout for Democrats, now, can we? </sarcasm>