FreeRepublic Filing Defamation Suit

[kskiska]

Sorry, but there's no actual headline on this AP story.

FRESNO, Calif. (AP) - A Fresno organization called a hate group by a city committee has filed a claim seeking more than $1 million in damages after alleging defamation.

Charles L. Doerksen, an attorney representing the Free Republic, filed the claim Monday after the group says the Human Relations Commission mislabeled them in a news release issued earlier this month.

City spokeswoman Patti Miller said the complaint will be turned over to the city attorney's office.

Doerksen said the news release issued on or around Sept. 12 falsely accused Free Republic members of making "threats of violence toward any minority groups that interfere with their rally or picnic." The group was planning a gathering in Fresno at the time.

Mayor Alan Autry has said there is no evidence that Free Republic is a hate group, adding that the commission is "using the city of Fresno as a tool to attack people without cause."

more…
http://www.modbee.com/state_wire/story/7488715p-8404539c.html

[arcane1]

1. there was a Bartcop Mod on Malloy last night

who is looking for examples of hateful or threatening speech done by freipers in message boards. Anyone have that here?


-snip-
"using the city of Fresno as a tool to attack people without cause."


ah, like wishing you had enough dirty bombs to kill off all the liberals in Fresno?

:shrug:

[neuvocat]

40. They mocked Lisa Left Eye Lopez when she died.

You can find any number of posts over there where they mock someone's death.

[_NorCal_D_]

52. Ugh, I hate Fresno.

It's an ugly, ugly town.

[Le Taz Hot]

72. Spoken like a true Bay Area snob

Can you possibly be MORE offensive? Not that I'm ever going to convince you of anything since you seem to be entrenched in your BIGOTRY but there happens to be a LOT of great people here. We're currently working our ASSES OFF registering voters, making calls and walking precincts against the recall. These are people from "ugly" Peace Fresno and the "ugly" unions and the "ugly" Democrat clubs and committees. You know, the same ones who came out by the hundreds protesting against the war?

The next time you bitch about "ugly Fresno" I might suggest you don't do it with a mouthful of food!

Don't bother replying, you're ass is on permanent ignore. :mad:

[trogdor]

79. The goddam FReepers make Fresno ugly.

I'm on the other coast, and I have never visited Fresno, but I can tell you this is what _NorCal_D_ meant. You can live in the neatest, sunniest neighborhood in the world, but if your neighbors are a bunch of right-wing jerkoffs, it's still an ugly neighborhood.

The community I live in (Oneida County, NY) is at least as full of conservative whackos as Fresno, so I know what I'm talking about. We also have groups working their asses off making people aware of the ugliness so they can make it go away.

Go ahead and ignore me too, if that will make you feel better.

[Le Taz Hot]

83. Done

[jamesinca]

59. I think that comment was made by one of the council members

That council member was Jerry Duncan. This is the second time this year that he has been questioned on these types of things. He had a personal problem with the head of the Human Relations commision here in Fresno and started with him because he was to dam liberal for his own purpose. Fresno is one of the bastions of conservative crap in this state. Orange county, San Diego and a good portion of the Sna Joaquin Valley are conservative.

By the way, there was a public hearing on this matter at one of the council meetings a few weeks ago, nothing became of it. I guess this is not important enough to address. If the city allows this action to be taken against the human rights commision then it says where they stand, on the side of hate mongers and repugs.

[trumad]

2. LOL

Maybe we should send City spokeswoman Patti Miller some archived freepr posts from the past.... Help her out a bit....

[reprobate]

12. If anyone has any archieved freeper posts, SEND THEM

You know they are a hate group and I know they are a hate group (just our opinions of course), maybe the world should know?

[OilemFirchen]

28. Here's an archive from 6/7/01

Sorry about the formatting. It was a hurried copy 'n paste from the time, but the gist is quite apparent.

You can guess the subject.

From Larry Flint offers $10 million reward for nude pics of Bush twins! <http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b20c7ec5ed3.htm>

To: Goodlife
That fat drueling vegetable needs to be silenced
Posted on 06/08/2001 05:52:56 PDT by MJY1288

To: Goodlife
I am offering a $100 bill to anyone offering a genuine, unaltered photo of Larry Flint laying in a coffin.
Posted on 06/08/2001 06:24:10 PDT by NY Cajun

From Larry Flynt Targets First Daughter with $10 Million Offer <http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b20091d3617.htm>

To: 1rudeboy
I respect your opinion and I know what you are saying but I would not hesitate to blow that scumbag, and the people he emulates, out of the water, given the chance.
Posted on 06/07/2001 16:13:20 PDT by Paul Atreides

To: Paul Atreides
This take the high ground nonsense is a bunch of BS, fight fire with fire, an eye for an eye. Punish your enemies so severly that no one would dare attack you. That is how you fight to fight. And Mr. Flynt needs to know that conservative know how to fight.
Posted on 06/07/2001 16:24:11 PDT by jpsb

To: pray4liberty
I cant imagine what the president might be thinking when he see this offer from Larry Flint, This is way beyond anything a mother or father should put up with, let alone the President and the First Lady, Someone with a lot less to lose than myself, might take measures to silence this man if we are lucky
Posted on 06/07/2001 16:26:12 PDT by MJY1288

To: Paul Atreides
some one should push this clymer off the boat
Posted on 06/07/2001 16:29:55 PDT by The Wizard

To: Paul Atreides
One of these days, someone is going to knock him out of that wheelchair and into next week. If he ever tries this with a member of my family, I'll do it.
Posted on 06/07/2001 16:31:05 PDT by wcbtinman

To: Paul Atreides
You know that guy is facing criminal charges in Canada, All we would have to do is kidnap his flabby ass and dump him over the boarder
Posted on 06/07/2001 16:32:52 PDT by ContentiousObjector

To: pray4liberty
God has punished him once already.
Not enough, as far as I'm concerned. I wish him unrelenting pain.
Posted on 06/07/2001 16:39:35 PDT by Bigg Red

To: FateAmenableToChange
A good old-fashioned stoning or tarring-and-feathering wouldn't offend me. How about a horse-whipping?
Posted on 06/07/2001 17:17:47 PDT by Paul Atreides

To: FatherTorque
Father, any law that would portect scum like Flynt and permit him to target and harrass a young the Bush daughters is an evil law and should not be obeyed. Flynt should be tarred and feathered. No two ways about it, and tarring and featehering Flynt is not stumping to his level. It is enforcing society's norms. Where do we draw the line? Are we going to allow a porn king to target the first family? Sercret camera's? Duplicitious boy friends? HELL NO!
Posted on 06/07/2001 17:34:11 PDT by jpsb

To: Paul Atreides
I didn't like this son of a bi--h before, now I wish I could push his wheelchair down a long set of stairs. He deserves the same fitting fate as the old Atheist lady...
Posted on 06/07/2001 17:44:18 PDT by cactmh

To: Paul Atreides
Mr. Flynt needs to be sniped again---------this time for good.
Posted on 06/07/2001 17:56:42 PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE

To: FatherTorque
Well maybe after tarring and feathering Flynt the laws against tarring a feathering would be changed to allow for it under extreme circumstances. Never know, could happen. Then think of all the evil people that could be punished for thier legal but evil deeds.
Now I've nothing against a magazine that publishes pics of beautiful women in various stages of undress, mankind has long celebrated the female body in various art forms. No big deal. But Flynt crossed the line this time. This is despictable and Flynt needs to pay the price.
Posted on 06/07/2001 18:09:22 PDT by jpsb

To: Burkeman1
I think that the IRS and a couple of other organizations could make Flynt very unhappy. I don't like the govt. going after people but he is way over the line here and needs a knock upside the head.
Posted on 06/07/2001 18:11:38 PDT by willyone

To: Ronin
Come to think of it, a better action may be to target Hustler employees. Flynt may be a total scumbag, but he does not run his evil empire by himself.
There has to be secretaries, photographers, computer operators, etc.
Let's get photos of them and make sure their communities know where they work. I don't think their mothers, fathers, in-laws, etc. would be very happy knowing where their son/daughter worked.
Posted on 06/07/2001 18:18:08 PDT by Ronin

To: Paul Atreides
When I find out that I only have 6 months to a year to live, I'll be able to accomplish more in that time than my entire lifetime of being a law abiding citizen......The possibilities are endless!
Posted on 06/07/2001 18:40:25 PDT by zcat

To: Paul Atreides
God bless the person that shot Flynt and put him in the wheelchair. They knew what they were doing, and I say it's time to give them a presidential pardon.
Posted on 06/07/2001 18:45:29 PDT by BellStarr

Then this... I believe I have an archive of the thread as well.

From WHITE HOUSE FURY AS BUSH DAUGHTERS GRACE COVER OF PEOPLE MAG; TABLOID ALLEGES MARIJUANA <http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b1f94197215.htm>

To: Galtoid
A bbycott is not enough!
Anyone have any interesting dirt on Carol Wallace, People's managing editor?
Posted on 06/07/2001 08:05:41 PDT by N00dleN0gg1n

And this, with, I believe, another accompanying archive...

From THERE WILL BE NO FREEP AT CHUYS <http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b1fcd5b5603.htm>

To: Republic of Texas
Expanding on that thought (Sean Connery in "The Untouchables"). They put one of your's in the hospital, you put one of their's in the morgue.
Posted on 06/07/2001 22:50:32 PDT by timydnuc

From Latest email explanation from Chuy's <http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b1fb6e3300e.htm>

To: dawn53
Fellow FReepers:
I have a question about Mia. I'd like your thoughts.
We know that she manages a bar. That suggests that she probably doesn't have regular hours, and may even have very unpredictable hours. There is no indication of a husband, so she may well be a single parent. She has recently filed for bankruptcy, indicating both a lack of fiscal responsibility and a lack of resources.
These factors combine to create a picture of an unstable home that really isn't suitable for an infant. When she's out at the bar, who will take care of the child? Some guy she lives with, perhaps?
The liberals tell us that we should care about this single working mother. Well, what about her baby? Should child protective services get involved to make sure that this innocent, helpless child lives in a safe, nurturing, appropriate home? Really, is Mia fit to be a mother?
After all, Hillary tells us it takes a village to raise a child. Who am I to disagree?
Posted on 06/07/2001 23:47:19 PDT by neutrino

If I get a chance (presuming that anyone wants to see them) I'll post the rest.

[_NorCal_D_]

53. Wow,

those are some good examples.

Well done!
B-):thumbsup:

[fla nocount]

64. Can't anyone over there spell or punctuate?

All of us drop the ball in our haste but post, after post, after post?
Talk about babble of the rabble...depressing place that freeperville.

[Voltaire99]

66. What mongrel frothing!

It's scary to think that these might be your friends and neighbors...

The case will be tossed out of court.

[izzie]

81. I understand why they would think this odd.

Read those people or talk to those people and killing, guns. war and getting even just seem to be a way of life to them. They also act like most of us are scum to step on. It is their way and only their way and they do not seem to care how they get their way which they wrap in your a commie or 'their' bible.We all may live in the 'Far Side" but they live in the dark side of life.

[Flubadubya]

3. Gotta love the attorney... Doerksen...

how fitting. :evilgrin:

[Cappurr]

4. Well....

They hate liberals who are all unpatriotic, of course. They hate Clinton and anyone who ever stood within two feet of him. They make up vicious lies. But honestly, I don't think they are a hate group. They are a bunch of angry white men (mostly) and real knuckle draggers, but essentially the site is a political site. Its just that its membership is full of hateful people :shrug:

[wryter2000]

5. The French

Remember when they were celebrating the deaths of all the French people caused by the heat? Most of them would have been older folks.

[Caution]

8. let me rephrase that a bit..

Just to put your post in a bit of perspective:

They hate Jews who are all unpatriotic of course. They hate Einstein and anyone who ever stood within two feet of him. They make up vicious lies. But honestly I dont think they are a hate group. They are a bunch of angry Aryan men (mostly) and real knuckle draggers, but essentially the party is just a political party. It's just that its membership is full of hateful people. :shrug:

no offense to you, and in many ways the same can be said of DU and the attitude taken by us towards republicans. The freepers are a little less intelligent and a lot more aggressive but your characterization of them doesn't to me call them anything less than a hate group!

[Cappurr]

25. Well....

If they were an anti-Jewish site or an anti-gay site, I'd agree with you. And they may be anti-Jewish and anti-black. But that is not the purpose of their site. The site is a political one. And ungly political site, but political nonetheless.

[Caution]

29. I understand your point

but the point here is that political parties and groups can be hate groups. The nazi party was a political party first and foremost. The Dixiecrats were a political party as well. I'm not saying that everyone on freerepublic is a hatemonger but I am saying that to simply dismiss the as "political" is not enough.

[Cappurr]

34. Well, Caution

I'll pay you the sme compliment. I see your point too. I think we are really arguing semantics here. To me a "hate group" is a group of individuals who encorage others to harass, harm, commit violence upon a group of people because of their skin color, or their religion or their sexual orientation.

And I know what FR did to that waitress in Austin. I also know they got in trouble for it too. Jim Robinison had a lot of tap dancing to do and the info was removed from the site.

What makes this site different (besides our obvious intelligence) is that Skinner et all are real damn strict about what can and can't be posted here. Like the Onion areticle that got FR in trouble yesterday. Would never happen here because mods would remove it immediately.

And they are very careful about posting phone numbers, addresses or calling for a violent overthrow of the government. (Damn, that last rule pisses me off)lol

[Trek234]

50. So is the Klan and neo-Nazis

Both the Klan and Nazis want POLITICAL change and could easily be said to be a "political" group. Of course that totally ignores the fact that they are ALSO a hate group.

Hate group/political group are not mutually exclusive.

[Trek234]

49. .

..

[FlemingsGhost]

17. Agreed. At times, there is just as much vitriol here at DU.

Let 'em sue.

An effort to clear their name is all they have left to cling to...

[piece sine]

24. if they can be sued, we can be sued!

There isn't any real distinction between highly-charged emotional political expression, be it from the left or the right. We at DU think they are hateful; they a FreeRep think we are hateful. So what? There's plenty anger there; plenty of anger here.

I'd think DU would sue if an official city or state organization classified DU as a hate group. That's different than mere name-calling we find it threads, it's certifiable slander is an actionable.

Just for once people, put the shoe on the other foot. If they can do it to FreeRep, some one else then has a legal precedent to do it to us.

[Patriot_Spear]

56. Not a chance, Pal...

There's a difference between vitriol and self-incriminating reports of criminal activity. I've seen post after post at FR where they recount acts of vandalism, intimidation, stalking, fraud, etc... They may scrub the threads, but some of us have saved the choicest posts just waiting for an oppurtunity like this.

I've personally called federal and state law enforcement agencies on FR in the past. Any lawyer worth his salt will be able to find reems of complaints that have been made against those throw-backs.

If you think DU is as vulnerable as FR on these points, you're on crack.

[piece sine]

84. I don't even like crack.

You're ignoring a steep legal slippery slope. And you're way off in the reeds somewhere on First Ammendment stuff. First Ammendment 101, in fact. Or the lack of it.

What do they say in Holland? A leaking dike floods everyone.

[FlaGranny]

76. There IS a distinction - a real one.

On the rare occasion I've seen a post here that actually calls for violence or some illegal act, it has immediately been pounced on by all members, alerted, and immediately removed by the moderators. This board DOES draw the line. The above long thread about Larry Flint wouldn't have lasted five minutes here. So, you are wrong.

[piece sine]

85. if only it were so....

Washington lawyers with agendas can make unexpectedly problems occur. Political chat rooms have an almost Tom Paine directness; it's a freedom we should protect, even it means acknowledging that our adversaries the Freepers, of all people, have the same legal protection.

[izzie]

82. Hardly ever for the whole group when they reply

Some one will or seems to always brakes it up when it gets to mean. We seem to get lighter as we keep writing but they just meaner.

[w13rd0]

6. Can we DUers be pronounced...

...a "hate Bush group"?

[LiberalVoice]

9. well i hate bush

hope that helps

[donotpassgo]

31. If you hate Bush

you hate America and Freedom...And Jesus. Lets not forget that loving Bush is a prerequisite to loving Jesus.

[Zhade]

38. I really hope you don't mean that in a physical sense.

Because Jesus is hot. Bush, on the other hand...

:P

[Patriot_Spear]

20. Where do I sign up?

n/t

[Love Bug]

7. Well, it's not defamation if its true!

I predict this suit will go the way of Fox's against Franken--"wholly without merit"

What a bunch of morans!

[Cappurr]

32. Oh I agree.....the suit will go nowhere

However, the court may require the council from referring to them as a hate group in the future. Could even order an apology. But they won't get a dime in money damages....it hasn't damaged them. They have done that to themselves.

[NickDanger]

36. hate re: Gays, blacks, immigrants; they also need to prove damages

Assuming CA law is applied, I suspect their postings regarding the above groups would satisfy as hate speech, particularly the volume of hateful posts on those topics.

How have they been damaged in the amount of $1 million? That could be tough to prove, in part because they are a nonprofit that operates on donations.

[damnraddem]

10. How can they show defamation of character?

First of all, they'd have to have character to defame, not to mention show that being called a 'hate group' constituted defamation. If they did, indeed, make threats of violence based on race or religion (which is quite compatible with what many freepers post), then they have shown themselves to be a hate group.

[CO Liberal]

11. The City of Fresno Should Countersue.......

....for every penny Rimjob ever hopes to see.

[denverbill]

13. Just go to FR and search on Rachel Corrie.

That should give you a pretty fair sampling.

[Red_Viking]

15. Can't bear to!

But I can imagine. How can they call themselves human? Sheesh.

RV

[Red_Viking]

14. I remember from Will Pitt's book

A section discussing FreeRepublic and their hateful ways. Specifically, he detailed the situation here in Austin with the Chuy's restaurant manager who called the cops on the baby Bushes when they were passing phony IDs to buy booze. The freepers called for her to be terrorized, gave out her vital statistics online (including that she had an infant), and encouraged people to teach her a lesson. She was understandably terrified.

Some of those folks may be OK, but by and large I consider them dangerously narrow-minded and fearful, making them prone to resolving conflicts with violence or inciting others to violence while they hide behind the anonymity of their computer screens. These are not nice people. Or, as our illustrious leader said about the British citizens held at Gitmo: "We're talking about bad people."

RV

[kskiska]

19. How about what they did to the Arab medical students?

When Eunice Stone reported the conversation she overheard at Shoney's in Georgia, the Freepers went into action and spammed the medical school where these students were studying and managed to get them temporarily kicked out.

Then there was the Wellstone memorial service where they planned – online – the media smear of Paul Wellstone and his family.

[ET Awful]

16. ROFLMAO

Like this would ever fly .. . . this will get thrown out of any court in this country so fast their heads will spin.

[loudsue]

18. I say "discovery" will be hell...

"Bring 'em on!"

:kick:

[xchrom]

26. don't get your hopes up

there are some pretty damning posts on fr.
it will be all up to who's doing the interpreting.

[Robin Hood]

21. And these are the people that complain about frivolous law suits.

What a bunch of hypocritical cry babies. I hope that their posts are used as evidence against them.

[denverbill]

27. Suing for $1,000,000. But I'm sure he favors malpractice suit limits.

And product liability limits.

Unless it's him looking for a free ticket to riches. Freeloading sob.

[salin]

80. THat is the funniest part of the whole thing.

Lots of GOP adherents are HUGE hypocrites on this issue. Sue, sue sue... get big dollars - but its the damn frivolous lawsuits that are ruining the country... fools.

[chascarrillo]

22. Here's a nice example

Freepers complaining that someone was chastized for hanging - literally - effigies of two black men.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/784582/posts

That's just about all the proof you need right there.

For more, just Google search the site with your favorite racial epithet. Use "site:www.freerepublic.com"

[Spoon]

35. A few nasty posters does not a forum make...

Who here thinks that a government, city or otherwise, labeling a major political forum a "hate group" is frightening? I think so.

[chascarrillo]

39. A few? More than a few

A forum is the totality of the posters of that forum. If a significant percentage of posters engage in classic "hate group"-type behavior - as we'd probably all concede that the majority of FR posters do - then it's a hate group. I don't have a problem with saying it, so I don't have a problem with someone else saying that - in the government or not.

Of course, I obviously do have a problem with any attempt to even hint at curtailing their speech, but the above action doesn't come close to that.

[piece sine]

55. word count

Do you realize how many times the word "hate" appears in DU threads?! If the Freepers can be found to be a hate group, then how long before a similar, cock-eyed legal theory shuts DU down? There's a wonderful old expression "I disagree with what you say but I'd fight for your right to say it."

[prolesunited]

77. Why do you continue to contend

that DU and FR are equal. They are not! You cannot make that judgment based on the number of times the word "hate" is used. Are you being purposefully ignorant on what the definition of a hate group is. Using the word hate does not make a person of a hate group. Freepers promote hatred of a group(s) and advocate attacking and harming individuals based on their belonging to a certain group. If these actions are carried out, they constitute a hate crime.

There is a HUGE difference between what they do and what takes place here. Since you have made the assertion that we are the same, I challenge you to prove it.
You find me threads that have been posted here that are on the same par with the ones that have been provided in this thread from the Freeper site.

I'm not talking a comment or two out of context. I'm talking about a consistent pattern hatred, threats, condoning violence and harassment that takes place there on a daily basis. What I have noticed is that when a poster comes up with something particularly hateful, the group here immediately pounces and calls them on it and denounces it. Over there, they encourage hate and revel in it.

Prove your case!

[Hawkeye-X]

42. Well. Today's poll completely contradicts

on what the Freepers said on 7/30/2003.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/955580/posts

Warning: photo of Chimpy McCokespoon.

Hawkeye-X

[bushisanidiot]

45. More Violent Hatred Spewed From FR

To: OldFriend

Is there any chance a stray bomb could hit the hotel with these "journalists"...Their slanted bias is nothing short of TREASON against our American forces! THey are, in essence, AIDING and ABETTING the ENEMY!


4 posted on 09/23/2003 10:31 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: Spiff

Some are considering gathering some of the illegals' trash in some of the lay-up sites in the desert and taking it to them and returning it to them personally. Other ideas are being floated. We need to quickly get organized and respond to this affront.

Bump and do it! Make sure you contact that turncoat McCain! More power to Arizona Freepers!


13 posted on 09/23/2003 12:51 PM PDT by JustPiper (Ted needs a drink- Our "W" is NOT a ONE term President !!!)
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To: Lobbyist

Rally and Send Off of Bus

Stuff a spud up the bus's tailpipe.


10 posted on 09/22/2003 11:27 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Dan from Michigan

If SCOTUS diminishes the 2nd Amendment in any way, then it is time to demonstrate to all politicians, judges, and citizens the forefathers actual intention of why there even be a 2nd Amendment.


6 posted on 09/23/2003 8:04 AM PDT by Stopislamnow (It will be too late when we're all dead. And the way our government is going, it'll be soon.)
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[Gato Moteado]

23. i think they are human garbage.....

....they can't sue me for saying that, can they?

[Patriot_Spear]

30. Where do I send all the stuff I've saved on FR over the years?

Vandalism, stalking, identity theft- you name it.

This is a perfect oppurtunity to slam FR- get some of this stuff into the legal record then REALLY go after those creeps.

[DifferentStrokes]

33. Here's another one

Mild by comparison, but demonstrates the attitude.

On a live thread for people watching the Miss America pageant, several people were complaining about the "non-white" contestants winning out of proportion to their representation in the population.

For some, this year's winner, Miss Florida, was the last straw. It got so bad that even some of the regulars were apologizing.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986356/posts

[samsingh]

37. frivilous lawsuits

haven't freepers written against frivilous lawsuits all the time?

[Dr Fate]

57. Yes- why are they "clogging up our judicial system?"

I thought only "Liberal trial lawyers" did that!!!!

[JoFerret]

41. Thin-skinned lot

aren't they? Have they not heard of freedom of speech? They claim the right to foam and defame but tsk...can dish it out but can't take it.

[kodi]

43. like being called ugly by a pig.

with apologies to pigs.

[UpInArms]

44. here's a couple of links

from FR regarding the Chuy's incident (Jenna/Barbara underage drinking)

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b1c11690f02.htm

this is the one where they published the DL info on the bartender (they have deleted the address from that particular post)

here's another:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b169de76c10.htm

and here is an American Political Journal article regarding that incident

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010605MiaLawrence.html

Tuesday, June 5, 2001 -- WASHINGTON (APJP) -- While the Bush family jokingly rolls its eyes about Jenna's and Barbara's underage drinking and refuses to comment publicly, Bush supporters are bringing a bitter jihad of retaliation against Chuy's, the Austin restaurant at which the young lushes violated the law -- an the bar manager who did the right thing and phoned police.

The attacks against Mia Lawrence, the bar manager, are being orchestrated on the Internet. Her address, date of birth, drivers license and registration information, physical description, and even birth information about her infant child have been posted on freerepublic.com, along with calls for punitive actions. Freerepublic.com website's sysop pulled some of the information as it was called to his attention -- to his credit -- but the info has circulated and been posted to other Internet forums to spread the "Get Lawrence" frenzy.

Bush supporters have obliquely and directly called for Lawrence to be punished -- publicly humiliated, fired from her job, impoverished, and exposed to risky and dangerous situations.

A freerepublic.com member who uses the screen name "tracer" recommended using her private info for identity theft:

"Giving out her driver's license no. and her DOB opens her up to mucho identity theft. It also makes background checks by 'inquiring minds' a breeze . But at least that's better than the way a Democrat apparatchik in Chicago would have handled this if the roles/parties were reversed. The result rhymes with 'room.'"

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. i've read threats of violence threads on freepuke site before

[smirkymonkey]

47. I would like to sue FreeRepublic for

cruel and unusually excessive stupidity...

[Trek234]

48. AHAHAHAHA

I can see the defense now.

"We put down these X number of hundred free republic documents down as evidence to support our claim of FR being a hate group. Note the anti-muslim, anti-gay, anti-liberal, etc ones in particular. Especially the ones calling for death to all muslims. We rest our case"

[snippy]

51. Kreeper comments concerning possible protest of their picnic.

Maybe they'll "protest" much along the same lines as their slovenly (and little-missed) heroine du jour, the late Rachel "Speed Bump" Corrie.

Hey... I'm beginning to see a potential upside to this whole "protest" deal, after all... :)


22 posted on 09/01/2003 2:03 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/974104/posts

To: CARepubGal

Speed Bump? A Rachel Corrie Pancake Breakfast would be more accurate. You could invite some D9 and D10 Cat drivers to the feast!

Thank you for the absolute best line I've heard in ages! YOWSA!


148 posted on 09/01/2003 8:34 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/974104/posts?q=1&&page=101

To: Bob J

have gun ... will travel

Wire TRG


178 posted on 09/02/2003 5:10 AM PDT by TheRightGuy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/974104/posts?q=1&&page=151

[symbolman]

54. They posted all of my personal info

and made threats of violence against me and my family.. I'd be happy to join any lawsuit as a witness against them.

they are foul and vile and dangerous as they incite people..

If there's a group action I'll sign on, maybe I should get Take Back the Media behind a class action suit?

We're already fighting with Savage in court, there may even be depositions, we aren't taking any shit from these Hate Mongers and will be glad to help.. where do we sign up, or should we creat a sign up area?

That site needs to be shut down.

[sandnsea]

58. Make them even more popular guys!!!

Free publicity, that's what they're getting out of this. And it is going to be next to impossible to prove that a message board is a 'group' and that the comments of a few is the same as the view of the owner of the board. This is really dangerous terrain and I don't like seeing people so damned excited over shutting down somebody's free speech rights. People say some pretty crazy stuff on this board too.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

78. You seem to have this backwards...

You are the second person who has come on to this thread to defend the freepers and suggest that they have every right to say what they do. Well, that may be so, but can you show me how exactly that relates to this case?

This is NOT a case of someone trying to shut down the freepers, it is a case of the freepers trying to shut down criticism of them.

Why are you defending them when THEY ARE THE ONES TRYING TO SUPRESS FREE SPEECH?

[leesa]

60. Yet another right wing frivilous lawsuit.

[Dr Fate]

61. Perhaps they will hire some "Liberal trial lawyer!"

Fucking Morans/hypocrites..

[neomonkey]

62. This one from today...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/988151/posts

___________
To: AntiGuv


5. Arrest and execute the likes of Dick Morris!

(Gee, I hope that's not too extreme.)
____________

I think that qualifies...

Wonder how far any of us would get with daring to suggest the execution of Karl Rove. The scumsuckers on FR get away with saying just about anything they wish.

[The Night Owl]

63. Evidence of a Freeper who advocates terrorism...

A question I posed on a Free Republic thread about Ann Coulter...

The Night Owl: Then again, perhaps you actually share her regret that McVeigh did not target The New York Times Building?

The response...

John Locke: For the record - yes, I share her regret. It is liberal vermin like the editors and reporters of the New York Slime that took what in 1950 was the greatest country on Earth, and turned it into a cesspit. To see them fragged by the feral children of their ideology would be sweet, sweet payback. - Posted on 07/22/2003 10:26 PM PDT by John Locke.

The thread...

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-chat/950691/posts

There you have it... Proof of how hateful some at Free Republic are.

[meisje]

65. FREEPERS STEALING VISA LOGO ON MAIN PAGE

The "support FR" is clearly using the visa logo design. Anyone want to drop visa a line?

[grasswire]

67. if you post a link to fr...

...be sure you have copied the info or saved the web page to your hard drive. Because JimRob might be pulling all those threads as quickly as his lurker here is letting him know.

Here's my favorite, written by Brian Buckley, who was the lawyer for freerepublic until they got in a snit regarding the copyright infringement lawsuit.

Posting on January 25 under his FreeRepublic screen name "Clarity," Buckley said, "Why be so easy on the Clintons? Even after they are dead, I say we stuff their bodies, fix them in some kind of preservative and display them at county fairs across the nation, on a rotating basis where the citizenry can have fun putting cow dung on them (remember that's 'art'). If that's not in good taste, their bodies should be flattened thin as possible, again fixed in some kind of preservative and hoisted up a flag pole to flap in the wind."

Recorded here: http://www.geocities.com/dearkandb/stillkickingbill.html


Other "activities" I know about:

They cost Julie Hiatt Steele a LOT of money by making bogus credit card charges to her paypal account.

They threatened Dan Moldea, investigative best-selling author and the man who saved Clinton from being removed from office by helping Larry Flynt out Livingston. Read Moldea's account here: http://www.moldea.com/FreeRepublic.html

They persuaded a pal at LAPD to open a bogus criminal investigation on a salon.com writer who was critical of their in-house publicist.

They've threatened and harassed more than a few writers/pundits, such as Joe Conason, T.J. Walker.

Freeper Doug from Upland recommended death for Alan Dershowitz in a c-span broadcast.

[Fridays Child]

68. Is there a legal definition for the term "hate group?" Or even a...

...commonly held understanding of what it means?

[grasswire]

70. more nuggets

Re: Chuy's waitress

To: Netizen
Since the state is in possession of the fake ID, and there are witnesses, what is her defense? That the police officer created a fake ID and that the one in the state's possession is not the one she really handed over?

No doubt her lawyer has a good idea - and is wise enough to play his cards close to the vest. I know that I wouldn't care to speculate as to a defense, since I wouldn't want to take any risk (no matter how small) of tipping off the prosecution.

The important thing is to get Jenna off, and then destroy Mia. Make her life pure, unmitigated, endless Hell. Break her...all quite legally, of course. Everything by the book and according to the rules, you understand. Not our of any personal spite, certainly - just as a deterrent to make others less likely to pull a stunt such as this in future.

Mia Lawrence is probably not a fit mother. Child protective services needs to take the kid away from her. Then, perhaps one could send the DemoncRat lackey some ice - you know, as in "put some ice on it?"

226 Posted on 06/08/2001 12:41:02 PDT by neutrino (neutrino)
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--http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b210d01471f.htm#272

To: FreeTally
Thats lible, and I hope Jim Robinson pulls this before you get this web site in trouble.

No, it isn't. And by "trouble", do you mean that salon magazine won't approve of Freerepublic? Nothing we do, short of capitulation would achieve that dubious goal. And how on earth can you possibly criticize my concern for the welfare of the child? I'm only following the legal precedents set by Ms. Reno herself - wherein it is lawful to take children from homes that are perceived as unstable. Let's look at some facts:

Mia is a bar manager. In that role, she is likely to have unpredictable and irregular hours.
Mia appears to be unwed. This is not confirmed, but DOES appear to be the case. Again, there will not be a stable, normal home life for the child.
Mia is a bankrupt. This implies either a lack of resources, or an inability to manage them or both. Yet again, indicitive of an unstable home life.


Three simple issues. How can anyone claim that the child would be better off with Mia than in a foster home? See? It's all for the children!

You are now better than Paul Begalla and Alec Baldwin.

You're too kind! And when others develop the same outlook I have, we'll start winning this battle!

352 Posted on 06/08/2001 15:26:33 PDT by neutrino (neutrino)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b210d01471f.htm#327

We are going to put an end to the intimidation by the left. If we have to destroy Chuy's and Mia to send you the message to cut it out, so be it. If we have to destroy ten, a hundred or a thousand more leftists to make the point, that is OK too.

31 Posted on 06/09/2001 13:13:55 PDT by LarryLied
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/624914/posts

If we wish to survive, the choice is crystal clear... Either we destroy those 'people' who think like this, or we physically and permanently separate from them. There is no way that we can survive as a nation united with creatures such as this. To even attempt rapprochement with this filth is an act of naive stupidity. They will not 'change', they will never see things our way no matter how hard we try to educate them. We might as well try to 'educate' disease organisms not to infect us. That an occasional liberal is somehow redeemed(?) is utterly irrelevant. We can also put a living horse on the dark side of the moon if we throw enough money and time into the effort. What would such an artificial act have to do with the normal nature and circumstance of the horse? Nothing. If we wish to survive, we must either destroy our enemies... (and as sure as God sits on his throne, these creatures are our blood-enemies) Or we must separate from them. The only alternative is to submit to them... And submission to the liberals is death.
15 posted on 2/9/02 10:23 AM Pacific by DWSUWF
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Regarding Clinton:

To: cactusSharp
I can't believe people elected this ass. What a GD traitor he is!
5 posted on 2/23/02 1:12 AM Pacific by lmr
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To: nickcarraway
Words escape me. I want this man DEAD!
6 posted on 2/23/02 1:12 AM Pacific by jslade
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To: nickcarraway
In his speech, Mr Clinton said history showed it was inevitable that America's time in the spotlight would draw to a close. No Bill Clinton, it is you who has lost the spotlight.
7 posted on 2/23/02 1:12 AM Pacific by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cactusSharp
Definitely. This just follows up his speechs at Berkeley and Georgetown. To hear him talk, you'd wonder why he would've wanted to be president of such a nation.
8 posted on 2/23/02 1:13 AM Pacific by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I wish Clinton had a time limit.
9 posted on 2/23/02 1:14 AM Pacific by Nogbad
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/633656/posts

threads attacking David Brock: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/644754/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/648639/posts


To: KLT
It is getting to the point that I not only disagree with these RATS, I almost want them to just die.
44 posted on 8/5/02 9:15 AM Pacific by doug from upland
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To: okie01
So, what?I say, if we are greedy bullies, let us beat them all to a pulp, take everything they own, and make them our slaves. Then we can give Al Sharpton and company some of their countries as reparations, and get them off our backs! Works for me!
5 posted on 9/8/02 3:15 PM Pacific by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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On Jim Jeffords:


Okay, people, aside from the fact that treasonous Jim needs a "taste of the Cat" in the Rotunda while Leahy and Sanders are forced to watch.... .something needs to be done with Trent Lott. This male cheerleader will blow this win sooner than you can say "drop the soap".

ABSOLUTELY!Mr.Bligh would order"Jumpin'Jim"to be spread-eagled on a hatch-grating and then instruct the bosun to"lay it on with a will"!!Is there a"suicide-watch"on certain"RATS"like "little tommy DasHole"and"El Loco,Poco,Dicko"?The markets are going UP to signify their approval and Rush is going to be ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 posted on 11/06/2002 4:46 AM PST by bandleader
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Back to JeffordsTraitor Jeffords must be absolutely silence, cut dead, sent to Coventry, how ever you want to say it -- no one should speak to him or take his calls, or those of his staff, under any circumstances for for any reason -- the president pro tem of the Senate should refuse to recognize him, he should be kept off of all committees if possible. No bill which he sponsors should ever get out of committee. He should be spoken of only in the third person, as if he were not there!

24 posted on 11/06/2002 5:56 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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How about we relocate that nuclear waste storage facility to Vermont, home of Senators Leahy and Jeffords?
28 posted on 11/06/2002 6:57 AM PST by Timberside
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Coldcock, and beat Jeffords, then after that...walk the LOTT dog on his short leash...OMG, am I bein meanspirited...
32 posted on 11/06/2002 7:50 AM PST by KLT
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[Room101]

69. Send all these archived freeper posts to the city committee

It is very clear these are hatefull people. Those types of posts never happen here.

[grasswire]

71. why doesn't someone just...

....send them a link to this thread?

And I encourage everyone who has archived material to post the detail here so it's all in one place.

[Le Taz Hot]

73. Please allow some clarification from an "ugly" person living and

working her ass off for progressive causes in "ugly" Fresno.

First off, let's just agree that Jerry Duncan is an asshole who has made several extremely offensive off-the-cuff comments in e-mails and verbally. We're working on finding a more centrist Democrat to run for his seat next year.

Now, for a brief explanation of the surrounding events:

The Human Rights Commission was established several years ago and has worked peacefully, and successfully until ONE fairly new member, who is the sister of a State Senator who believes that being a relative of said State Senator giver HER power. I've got some background on this individual, including racist comments made from her to me -- which I let go, but *I* can't afford to be sued so I won't get into detail.

Anyway, she spotted the picnic put on by Free Republic here locally and, without authority from the rest of the commission and without prior knowledge, sent out, ON CITY STATIONARY, the "hate group" letter. That's when she got her ass in a sling.

Needless to say Jerry Duncan and Mayor Bubba, er, Autry, and their pod-people followers were calling for the abolition of the ENTIRE Commission -- how conVENient of her to hand them that little jewel. For the moment, the fires have been quelched but I won't be surprised if, by her incessant grandstanding, she puts the Commission in jeapardy again.

In summary, NEITHER side is right and BOTH are polarizing factions.

[Robb]

74. I would call it

...The last gasp of an increasingly parenthetical group. "I know, we'll sue. Maybe our traffic will increase."

Fortunately, clearer heads will prevail, and most will realize there are bigger fish to fry.

[Patriot_Spear]

75. Fight FreaKKK RepubliKKK right here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=395014