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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 01:42 PM
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Rift Opens Between United States and Iraqi Leaders It Installed
Edited on Wed Sep-24-03 01:44 PM by papau
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAOE66OZKD.html

Rift Opens Between United States and Iraqi Leaders It Installed
By Tom Raum Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration is locked in a deepening dispute with the leader of Iraq's American-installed interim government, Ahmad Chalabi, over a timetable for self rule - still another complication for U.S. efforts to rebuild the country. Administration officials thus far have rebuffed an appeal by Chalabi, the president of the 25-member Iraqi Governing Council, for the United States to relinquish control to Iraqis sooner rather than later. The plan, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told a Senate hearing on Wednesday, is to turn Iraq back over to its people under a seven-point plan "through a constitution and elections and then passing of sovereignty at a pace as rapidly as is reasonable."In other words, the administration doesn't intend to turn over the reins of power to an unelected council - even if it created the council

But Chalabi, a longtime ally of conservatives at the Pentagon and in Congress, and several other Iraqi leaders who also owe their posts to the United States are expected to make their case directly to Capitol Hill. The delegation of Iraqi officials attending this week's U.N. General Assembly session will head to the nation's capital next to meet with House and Senate members. Their aim: more autonomy for the council and at least partial control immediately of the finance and security ministries. They plan to argue that turning over power soon could save American taxpayers tens of billions of dollars. <snip>


Chalabi and his colleagues want to hasten the day when the United States relinquishes control - but don't want to see an expanded U.N. role or additional foreign troops. Kurt Campbell, a former top Pentagon official who now works at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the rift is the latest manifestation of an internal feud between the Pentagon and the State Department.
Powerful elements in the Pentagon would like to see Chalabi given more power and basically agree with his recent statements, while the State Department continues to favor a more deliberative process that brings in other nations, Campbell said. <snip>

The Iraqi authorities are "not legitimate because we installed them," Daalder said. "And so we now have a problem of going against the people we put in power, saying they can't be trusted."Support for Chalabi in Iraq is mixed. He has many critics opposed to anyone ruling Iraq who has spent most of his life abroad. Chalabi, 58, left Iraq as a teenager. A former banker, Chalabi founded the once-exiled Iraqi National Congress and was convicted of fraud in absentia in Jordan in 1992 in a banking scandal and sentenced to 22 years in jail. <snip>

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 01:46 PM
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1. ... instead we'll turn it over to an elected-puppet council ?
"...the administration doesn't intend to turn over the reins of power to an unelected council - even if it created the council ..."

So BFEE's going to handpick the candidates and let the Iraqi people 'elect' their choice ? Why does that still not seem like a democratic election to me ?


:hippie:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 01:49 PM
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5. I'm glad you noticed that little editorial that snuck into the news piece.
That is the subtext by which the media creates opinion.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 01:46 PM
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2. Why the ingrates!!!
Until Halliburton and Co. have squeezed every dime out of the rebuilding and the oil fields, they'll have to toe the Bush line. Not that he had any business trusting Chalabi in the first place.


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 01:47 PM
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3. Geez W is getting played by Chalabi now
If he doesn't turn over power as quickly as his hand-picked wants he looks like he doesn't realy want them to rule.

If he does turn it over he looks weak compared to a criminal like Chalabi.

Chalabi gave them bad information so they would invade and now instead of doing what the deal called for, doing what they tell them, he wants power NOW!!!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 02:16 PM
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9. Didja notice that they want quick authority over finances?
Heh heh heh.

Chalabi is itching to get his hands on the loot.

Meet the new Saddam. Man we sure can pick leaders for Iraq! First Saddam and now Chalabi. :-(
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 03:31 PM
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12. Ruh roh
Oh man now the whole plan could be blowing up in their faces.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 01:48 PM
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4. chalabi and the council have ulterior motives
and i bet it has to do with money.
it's just too perfect that a bunch of criminals selected to run this country would have a fall out with the thief in chief it selected in iraq.
this isn't even subtle, is it?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 02:01 PM
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8. Salem Chalabi, Ahmed's nephew and Feith the neocon
set up the Iraqi International Law Group that "consults" for reconstruction awards-unbelieveable that this isn't in the news here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1048205,00.html

Follow the $$$$ it's all BFEE centered.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 03:43 PM
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14. Maybe there really were "double agents" working on this
See Chalabi was telling them LIES ( we knew that) and they believed everything he told them because they were ready to LIE and did LIE using the LIES he told them. So they attacked and put him in based on LIES and now he wants them(us) to leave and let him have the spoils.

Brilliant.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 01:49 PM
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6. When will they ever learn?
How many puppet leaders and military combatants have we trained that have turned on us? If you get someone willing to overthrow their leadership and sell out their own people, they are NOT going to be the most trustworthy and controllable of allies.

You think they would have gotten a clue after bin Laden and Saddam.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 02:00 PM
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7. I'm skeptical...
This wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that it is open season on members of the Governing Council, would it?

Now more than ever, the Governing Council must give the appearance of independence from it's infidel masters.

Chalabi's very life may depend on it...
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 02:26 PM
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10. Does this mean the puppet govenment doesn't want to give us
all of the oil?
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 02:37 PM
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11. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
"Show me the money! Show me the money!" I wanna :puke:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 03:34 PM
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13. Chalabai likes living
as do the rest of the council. Right now they are essentially big walking bullseyes...
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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 03:54 PM
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15. Isn't That Crook, Chalabi ...
... just "this month's" rotating president?
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