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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:15 AM
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Just a third of Arizonans give thumbs up to Bush second term
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0925bush-poll-ON.html

Barely one-third of Arizona voters say they would give President Bush a second term, a statewide poll revealed Thursday.

The 34 percent support for his re-election, with 44 percent preferring someone else and 22 percent undecided, reflects a dramatic plunge in popularity for Bush. In 2000, he beat Al Gore in Arizona by a margin of 6 percentage points, or nearly 100,000 votes of 1.5 million cast.

State Democratic Chairman Jim Pederson said the poll results are evidence that Arizonans are "increasingly frustrated with the Bush administration's performance on both the foreign and domestic fronts."

But Bob Fannin, state Republican chairman, said Bush enjoyed unsustainably high ratings earlier this year, and party leaders had predicted a decline. The drop fits a pattern seen at this point in the first terms of both Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, he said.

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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:16 AM
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1. I like this number: 34%. But I'd rather see it somewhere in the 20s
I hope the democratic field is strong enough to sway those undeciders..
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:17 AM
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2. Yowza!
"But Bob Fannin, state Republican chairman, said Bush enjoyed unsustainably high ratings earlier this year, and party leaders had predicted a decline. The drop fits a pattern seen at this point in the first terms of both Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, he said."

Bwhahahahahah! Yeah right! This isn't a decline it's a plummet. Reagan and Clinton may have had low approval numbers but they were trending upwards at this point and were also steady not manic like the Chimps.

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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:19 AM
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3. 34%? That High?
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Waistdeep Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:19 AM
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4. Actually
Those weren't all thumbs.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:25 AM
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5. Wow. Those are the worst numbers I've seen for a state.
What's up in Arizona? What is Bush doing to PO them so badly down there? Bush won Arizona in 2000 didn't he?

Very good news no matter the reason.
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:27 AM
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6. Nu-cue-ler waste dump? (nt)
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 03:20 PM
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22. One Word: O-U-T-S-O-U-R-C-I-N-G
AZ was a huge IT state, Intel was located there.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:27 AM
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7. Are we sure it was a thumb?
:)
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:39 AM
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8. Karl Rove must be a worried man.....
those sensible Arizonans are just the
beginning of many states to follow.

Yes Buddy, there is a God, and God is good.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 11:13 AM
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9. "bush's poll numbers are the
same as Clinton's at this time in his term." I keep seeing articles quoting this statement. Is this true?? Or another repug lie? I just can't remember Clinton ever being this unpopular any time during his presidency. Anyone have a link?
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 12:45 PM
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13. Not sure, but...
In 1996, the Big Dog won Arizona in a walkover. That hadn't happened in a LONG time.

We have to remember that Arizona's a Republican state, but it's a Goldwater/McCain type of the beast (well, there is the egregious Sen. Kyle, a top Chimpy apologist). They don't generally take to the kind of rampant authoritarianism that Chimpy, Asscrack, et al represent.

I'd say the place is up for grabs.

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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 11:23 AM
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10. AZ should be heavily targetted next year
This state is prime to be taken away from Bush, the way he took WV from Gore.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 11:43 AM
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11. Dean is Big in AZ...
The democrats rule in Arizona. There's no way little man bush will win this state. Arizona is one of the fastest growing states, and most people migrate here from democratic states, especially, Californians.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 12:14 PM
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12. electorates
Arizona is 8 electorates, that will help next year for

KERRY/CLARK
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 12:53 PM
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14. AZ has 10 electoral votes.
We earned two additional votes as a result of the 2000 census.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:01 PM
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15. Probably because the other 2/3rds are outta work!
:bounce:
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KCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:05 PM
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16. that's great news.
I'd love to hear that every state had those kind of #s!

Of course, part of me is quite worried. The MIHOP-believer in me is afraid.. very afraid... that something BIG is going to happen before the next election.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 02:08 PM
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19. MIHOP: It's The Only Trick He Knows
Starting a war is the only thing that has ever worked to raise his normally-abysmal numbers.

He's doing everything in his power to get someone to attack us, but all the usual suspects (even those who were in the pay of the CIA) have figured him out by now, so the BFEE will have to do it themselves.

Not that it would bring his poll numbers up all that much, but it would provide a pretext for declaring martial law, cranking up the draft, and cancelling the elections.

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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:34 PM
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17. Reporting here from AZ:
This state is extremely conservative----

HOWEVER, we currently have a Democrat for Gov, Attny General, and Phoenix just elected a Dem mayor.

AZ is a difficult state to really categorize. As a previous poster pointed out, we are the home of Goldwater, McCain, Babbitt, Mecham, Symington, etc. Lots of independence. The Libertarians are very strong here, so are the Greens as a matter of fact.
But make no mistake, in 2000 this was Bush country! So low numbers now should really be scaring the pants off the Repubs. This state should have been a no-brainer for them.
Now it will probably be a real battlefield.
Unfortunately, all our major newspapers are somewhere to the right of Fox News.
:(
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 01:49 PM
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18. I don't live in AZ but just from what I know there are a lot of
well educated people who have migrated to that state... granted as you said they are a mix of libertarian to green...but they are intelligent and perhaps they have thought through the past few years and have figured out that Bush is a bad investment for the country.
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Phoenician Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 02:08 PM
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20. Someone already mentioned it....
but I'll say it again - Dean is big in AZ.
Very good turnout at the meetups!
:party:
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Braden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 02:12 PM
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21. Holy S***
Arizona is about the most conservative state out there. 34% in Az is truly startling.

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