Rice 'Knew Nothing' About CIA Agent Leak

[NNN0LHI]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030928/ts_nm/iraq_intelligence_probe_dc&cid=564&ncid=1480

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said on Sunday she knew "nothing of any" White House effort to leak the identity of an undercover CIA officer in July, a charge now under review at the Justice Department.

On the "Fox News Sunday" program, the top aide to President Bush said, "This has been referred to the Justice Department. I think that is the appropriate place for it."

Rice said the White House would cooperate should the Justice Department, headed by Attorney General John Ashcroft, decide to proceed with a criminal investigation of the matter, which centers on the alleged public disclosure of the wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

Wilson was sent by the CIA to Niger in 2002 to investigate a report that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium from Niger, but returned to say it was highly doubtful.

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[Sticky]

1. Rate This a FIVE!

and here's another:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030928/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_uranium

On Edit - Rate this is 5....got lost in the excitement of Condi's 'deer in the headlights' look! }(

[hedda_foil]

2. RATE IT A FIVE PLEASE ... REPEAT "5"

A one rating on Yahoo is the lowest. If you want to kick it to the top rate it at 5

[Patriot_Spear]

3. Gave it a five...

She's a liar- how could she NOT know? She's the National Security Advisor for Christ's sake!?

[Jack Rabbit]

7. While there's no reason to take her word at face value

While there's no reason to take her word at face value, there's neither a reason to jump to the conclusion that she was involved or knew about this.

If Karl Rove is the culpret, as many believe, then it is entirely possible that he acted independently of her and without her knowledge. Rove doesn't need Condi's permission or input to do anything.

[Patriot_Spear]

14. Look, it's simple math....

There are X number of people at the White House who have this information- as the National Security Advisor, she would know who they are. Let's try Occam's Razor here: Is it more likely that-

a) A story of this nature was shopped around to six other reporters before Nofact's and she failed to pick up on it or-

b) She knew exactly what Rove was going to do with the info and let it happen.

Is she incompetant or complicit?

[snippy]

27. I think she was involved. She participated in the WHIG.

The White House Iraq Group, or WHIG, was formed by Andy Card in August of 2002 to market the invasion and coordinate all of the lies, including the yellowcake and other nuclear weapons lies, to support the invasion.

The group met weekly in the Situation Room. Among the regular participants were Karl Rove, the president's senior political adviser; communications strategists Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin and James R. Wilkinson; legislative liaison Nicholas E. Calio; and policy advisers led by Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, along with I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.

. . .

In its initial meetings, Card's Iraq task force ordered a series of white papers. After a general survey of Iraqi arms violations, the first of the single-subject papers -- never published -- was "A Grave and Gathering Danger: Saddam Hussein's Quest for Nuclear Weapons."

. . .

The document offers insight into the Bush administration's priorities and methods in shaping a nuclear message. The white paper was assembled by some of the same team, and at the same time, as the speeches and talking points prepared for the president and top officials. A senior intelligence official said last October that the president's speechwriters took "literary license" with intelligence, a phrase applicable to language used by administration officials in some of the white paper's most emotive and misleading assertions elsewhere.

The draft white paper precedes other known instances in which the Bush administration considered the now-discredited claim that Iraq "sought uranium oxide, an essential ingredient in the enrichment process, from Africa." For a speechwriter, uranium was valuable as an image because anyone could see its connection to an atomic bomb. Despite warnings from intelligence analysts, the uranium would return again and again, including the Jan. 28 State of the Union address and three other Bush administration statements that month.

. . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A39500-2003Aug9


Having been involved in the development and coordination of the uranium lies, I doubt that she would allow herself to be taken out of the loop when the lies were revealed. Even if the leak occurred without her prior knowledge, I think she would demand to to be kept informed. Or she would demand to be kept uninformed to maintain deniability in which case I consider her just as involved.

[Jack Rabbit]

42. Point taken

I'm not saying she doesn't have questions to answer.

[NicoleM]

55. "literary license"

Wow. The arrogance is just stunning.

[snippy]

59. Very true.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

60. Anyone reminded of Watergate and Iran-Contra? Lies followed...

...by more lies until both schemes fell apart.

There is one thing you don't do when you're dealing with the CIA or any other intelligence organization. You simply don't "out" one of their operatives just to make political points. That kind of action not only jeopardizes the primary individual "outed", but also puts anyone with whom he or she has associated in extreme danger.

The fact that this story has been reported in the mainstream press, by Andrea Mitchell, wife of Alan Greenspan, tells me that the CIA has lined up all of their ducks within the DOJ with like-minded individuals. We are already seeing sources within the military unload inside information that is damaging to the Bushies, and the mainstream press is finally printing it.

Someone is going to pay for all of this. Maybe a lot of "someones".

[roughsatori]

13. Just voted 5--It is now rated 4.75, DUers please vote a 5 NT

[calimary]

43. And then take down THESE numbers - PLEASE!

1 (800) 648 - 3516

1 (800) 839 - 5276

These are the toll free Capitol Hill switchboad numbers. They'll connect you to anybody's office you want.

PLEASE, FIRST THING TOMORROW (MONDAY) MORNING! DO IT!!!

If this story is REALLY to have any legs, and the White House is doing everything to quash it before it can (witness the new claims that all this is the CIA's fault, for its defective intel), WE have to generate momentum with our congressmembers and our senators. WE SIMPLY HAVE TO!

Also check out www.congress.org - for referrals on EVERYBODY's office numbers - both locally and in Washington.

PLEASE! Even ONE phone call in the morning will help you get your voice heard! Remember - they DO work for YOU, after all. As a taxpayer YOU ARE THEIR EMPLOYER. I've even called people saying exactly those words: "As his/her employer, I want him/her to do thus-n-such..."

I CANNOT stress this enough, or frequently enough.

PLEASE, DEAR DUers, it's up to us!!!

[onehandle]

37. 4.20 bump. nt

nt

[papau]

79. Why doesn't someone ask Rice these great questions?

From the ABCnote:

"Has President Bush made clear to the White House staff that only total cooperation with the investigation will be tolerated? If not, why not?

Has he insisted that every senior staff member sign a statement with legal authority that they are not the leaker and that they will identify to the White House legal counsel who is?

Has Bush required that all sign a letter relinquishing journalists from protecting those two sources? Has Bush said that those involved in this crime will be immediately fired? If not, why not?

Has Albert Gonzalez distributed a letter to White House employees telling them to preserve documents, logs, records? If not, why not?

Has Andy Card named someone on his staff to organize compliance? If not, why not?

White House officials who might have legal or political exposure on this are going to have to decide whether to hire lawyers or not, and the White House counsel's office is going to have to decide what legal help they can and should provide to officials if and when the DOJ wants to talk to them.

That means that the '90s practice of every Washington bureau of calling members of the bar to see who has hired whom is about to heat back up. The first one to report someone hiring a criminal lawyer wins a prize, as does the first person who develops that lawyer as a source on all this.

A reminder that students of recusal politics will have to consider the Rove-Ashcroft history"

[Snazzy]

4. Faux transcript on this

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98517,00.html


Transcript: Condoleezza Rice on 'FOX News Sunday'

... snip ...

HUME: Former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who was asked to inquire in Africa about what Saddam Hussein might have been doing there in terms of acquiring nuclear materials, ended up with his wife's name in the paper as a CIA person. There are now suggestions that the name and her identity and her CIA work had been revealed by the White House. What do you know about that?

RICE: I know nothing of any such White House effort to reveal any of this, and it certainly would not be the way that the president would expect his White House to operate.

My understanding is that, in matters like this, as a matter of routine, a question like this is referred to the Justice Department for appropriate action, and that's what's going to be done.

SNOW: Well, when the story came out — his wife's name is in the paper — was it known in the White House that she was a CIA employee?

RICE: I'm not going to go into this, Tony, because the problem here is this has been referred to the Justice Department. I think that's the appropriate place...

SNOW: Well, but it is revealing, or it's important to figure out what the White House reaction was at the time. For years and years and years, for instance, the administrations chased Phillip Agee all around the globe because he had revealed the name of a CIA officer. This is a grave offense, if you have CIA officers.

Was there, at least within the White House, a gasp when somebody said, "Uh oh"? And if so, did the White House take any action, back then in June, when the story appeared?


RICE: Well, it was well known that the president of the United States does not expect the White House to get involved in such things. We will see...

HUME: You mean the revelation of names?

RICE: Anything of this kind. But let's just see what the Justice Department does. It's with the appropriate channels now, and we'll see what the Justice Department — how the Justice Department disposes of it.

SNOW: But there was nobody at the White House at the time who was saying, "Oh, we've got a problem here"?

RICE: Tony, I don't remember any such conversation. But I will say this: The Justice Department gets these things as a matter of routine. They will determine the facts. They will determine what happened, they will determine if anything happened. And they'll take appropriate action.

SNOW: Do you think the White House should release phone logs, if necessary, to figure out who talked to whom?

RICE: Tony, as a matter of course, when the Justice Department is looking into something, of course the White House cooperates.

... snip ...

[baby_bear]

8. I feel so much better now.

The Justice Department gets these things as a matter of routine. They will determine the facts. They will determine what happened, they will determine if anything happened. And they'll take appropriate action.

geeeeeeez

s_m

[polmaven]

31. Yes, as do I!

I'm absolutely convinced the Ashcroft Justice Department will ask all the necessary tough questions to determine exactly what happened and who was responsible.

"Mr. Rove, did you purposely leak information for intimidation purposes? No? Oh, OK then. Ambassador Wilson's wife must have gotten tired of being a spy, and leaked the info herself. That can be the only explaination. Case closed!"

[bpilgrim]

10. see 'how the Justice Department DISPOSES of it' at least shes HONEST - n/t

peace

[screembloodymurder]

57. My thought exactly

DISPOSES as in "to do away with or get rid of".

[FauxNewsBlues]

54. They had help!

If Condi didn't do it, somebody near her did. Ari & Karl wouldn't have had the CIA employment records of Valerie Plame. Somebody else was involved. It wasn't strictly a communications office effort.

The White House knows who did it. Obviously it is known, somebody leaked it to the Post. That individual is conspiring to cover up a felony. This is the person with a conscience, but they are not the only one, outside of the two, who knows who did the deed.

Who is going to turn the felons in? If President Bush wanted the leakers punished, he could have done so. People know. They would tell him. He could end this in 30 minutes. All he has to do is pick up the phone and call Rice, Powell, Tenet, Rummy, Wolfie, Ari, Karl and ask them who did it. Period. One of them in the know would tell him.

He is either actively covering up, or passively covering up, by deliberately shielding himself from the answer.

[joanski01]

5. She said the same thing

on Meet the Press. That didn't surprise me as much as when she said that she and the others had forgotten about the CIA director asking them to take out the reference to the Niger uranium in the October speech. It had been three months ago, and they all forgot about it. And that's how those 16 words got into the State of the Union speech.

Now please tell me that all of those people could have forgotten something that important.

[Lorien]

15. They seem to have a huge collective memory loss

and are apparently ignorant of much that goes on in the WH, not to mention entirely unimaginative."forgetting" about inaccurate statements made in the SOTU address, "not knowing" who leaked vital sercurity information, and "not imagining" that planes could be used as weapons, despite the fact that Clinton had thwarted a similar plot, and the Pentagon had a practice drill for just such an event...now just how are these people qualified to protect the country?

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

69. Two sources of Condi's statements...

... will hold alot of water when it becomes time for trials on treason and sedition for this bunch.

[sattahipdeep]

6. Larger Conspiracy Begs More Questions

Evidence is piling up about insiders with ties to the CIA capitalizing
on their foreknowledge of the terrorist attacks.

Particularly intriguing is the very real possibility that the Enron financial
debacle may be, in some way, linked to the pre-9-11 insider trading.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/Conspiracy/28_Mounting_Evidence_of_Larger%20.htm

Korndoggie asking A$$crack to investigate the (puppet master?)

[TexasEditor]

9. FYI this story...

http://hoffmania.blogspot.com/

[joanski01]

11. Amb. Joe Wilson

is supposed to be on Washington Journal tomorrow morning, Monday, on C-Span, starting at 7:00 a.m.

[underpants]

20. Wilson"Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs"

Wilson, while refusing to confirm his wife's occupation, has suggested publicly that he believes Bush's senior adviser, Karl C. Rove, broke her cover. Wilson said Aug. 21 at a public forum in suburban Seattle that it is of keen interest to him "to see whether or not we can get Karl Rove frog-marched out of the White House in handcuffs."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11208-2003Sep27.html

[Mari333]

35. The day they take Rove out in Chains is the day

I throw the biggest party of my whole 52 years of living. You are all invited.

[pippin]

12. Return of the Know Nothings

first it's Cheney who doesn't know:

Dick Cheney On Meet the Press - Subject: The Forged Nigerian WMD Evidence

This clip is a Dick Cheney classic.
According to Cheney, he doesn't know anything about anything. He doesn't know who Ambassador Joseph Wilson is. He doesn't know who the CIA is. He must not know what a newspaper is either.

This is from the September 14, 2003 program of
Meet The Press, hosted by Tim Russert.
Russert: "Were you briefed on his (Joseph Wilson's) findings of February-March of 2002?"
Cheney: "No. I don't know Joe Wilson. I've never met Joe Wilson...Joe Wilson? I don't know who sent Joe Wilson. He never submitted a report that I ever saw when he came back...I don't know Mr. Wilson. I probably shouldn't judge him...I have no idea who hired him."
Tim Russert: "The CIA did."
Cheney: "Yeah but who are 'the CIA?' I don't know."
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001753.php

Now it's Condi. Are we getting a rerun of the Know Nothings?

[underpants]

17. Great the National Security Adviser is Sgt. Schultz

I SEE NUSSING! I HEAR NUSSING!

[Sideways]

19. Great Minds!

eom

[Sideways]

18. WTF This Sounds Like Hogans Heros

I know nothing. He knows nothing. She knows nothing. We know nothing. Fuck please start the laugh track because people are being killed and this ain't fucking funny.:wtf:

I need to puke.

[underpants]

22. Maybe some nylons and chocolates could change Rove's mind

Come on the first time you saw Rove you thought to yourself "Hmm that's ironic"

[Maine-i-acs]

78. Perhaps a little apple strudel would do it? <nt>

[Patriot_Spear]

16. Rice: "I don't know... I don't remember... I'm not going into this..."

She's up to her little Cheron ass in this betrayal and her tap dancing around answering the questions dancing proves it.

[jbfam4]

23. I can see her in a piano bar next year........

Don't think she should ever be baseball commissioner.

[Cocoa]

21. Snow was actually much better than Russert was on this

they both interviewed Rice today, and both asked about Wilson.

But Snow asked a very good question that Russert didn't and that Condi had a hard time with. He asked if Bush reacted in the slightest to this.

A very good question. Does Bush care as little about this serious matter as it seems, and why does he care so little?

Especially considering how much this White House cares about leaks that hurt Bush.

[sattahipdeep]

24. He is an idiot

With no interpersonal communication skills.
He doesn't care he has the power according to him.

[DrBB]

48. Almost the critical question here

Snow was close, if not right on the key issue, to my mind--at least as far as 'outing' Condi and others is concerned--namely: why hasn't BUSH called for an investigation? Or conducted one, internally? Because this is a hell of a security leak being reported to have come from within his inner circle. Doesn't that concern him? If he really had nothing to do with it, wouldn't he be pursuing it vigorously himself, rather than taking the line, oh well let's just wait and see if anyone else thinks there's anything to this?

[DrBB]

25. Why wasn't BUSH calling for an investigation of this crime?

Hm, Condi? Isn't this something that should concern him--if someone in his close precincts is going around 'outing' CIA agents? Isn't that something he should be releasing the hounds about?

The only reason I can think of why he wouldn't take that attitude is that he doesn't care--that he and his team are implicated. Kind of obvious really.

I didn't catch the show--did anyone have the temerity to confront her with this question?

[Cocoa]

52. did he even do ajnything informally?

Set aside the issue of an investigation, did Bush ever even indicate that he cared at all about this security breach?

Someone asked, I thought it was Snow but it's not in the transcript, whether Bush ever called anyone into his office and asked if they knew anything about it.

Of course he didn't. The idea of Bush doing something like that is absurd. If Bush did that, the person would probably think to himself "who does this guy think he is, Karl Rove?"

[snippy]

61. I think it is because of the number of White House people involved.

An investigation could lead to everyone who participated in the White House Iraq Group plus some of their staff. That could be dozens of White House people. Of course it could just be the unbelievable arrogance of Whistle Ass.

[Nottingham]

26. Oh We got that on Video! HA HA HA! She is Lying!

and I love how Snow said what took so long for the outrage over outing a CIA agent!

:bounce:

Rice didn't have an answer

I did love how she said the Justice Department would DESPOSE of this!

Not Prosecute this to the fullest ....Despose of it!

Aschcroft is going to do NOTHING NOTHING and then the reality to the people of America is going to be we are under a dictatorship!

:bounce:

[BlueMole]

28. "I got plenty of nothin'

and nothin's plenty for me.

Does this woman ever tell the truth?

[wryter2000]

29. This story is growing legs

I think this could be the beginning of something big. If Congress does something. Asskroft is going to try to let it die.

[diplomats]

30. Josh Marshall thinks so, too

Just flipped on the TV and found Fox News interviewing Condi Rice. As it happened, a minute or two after I tuned in Brit Hume asked Rice about the Wilson/Plame matter. Let's be honest, I didn't expect Hume and Tony Snow to be the most hard-hitting questioners on this issue. But you couldn't watch the exchange without seeing how big a deal this is. First of all, Rice denied nothing. It was, in so many words, all no comments. More telling I thought was how visibly rattled Rice seemed. She seemed to have a hard time getting her words out. Her breathing was halting.

To their credit, Hume and Snow followed up by noting that this was a sufficiently serious charge that a bland 'no comment' didn't really cut it. But all Rice could do was awkwardly say that she wasn't going to answer questions because it's in the Justice Department's hands, they're investigating, and that this is the kind of thing that the president doesn't accept. What I took from this is that the White House was stunned by this rapid escalation of events.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com

[Nottingham]

44. Last time I saw Condi visibily shaking like that was the Bush Speech

She doesn't hold up well at all under a barrage of truth and questions seeking the truth!

She has something to do with this No doubt about it! :bounce:

[RainDog]

47. hope it's growing FROG LEGS! n/t

:spank: Condi, Rove, Cheney, Bush, Wolfie, Perle, and the whole heehaw gang

[cliss]

32. Awesome post, Snippy.

You've made a believer out of me. Since Conda-loser is the "weakest link" in that chain, I'm wondering how long she can hold out.

She really is a lightweight. Someone mentioned on a post that when she lies, she shakes her head 'no' as she makes her statements. Also, I've noticed her voice goes down, she becomes hesitant. She's not sure of the facts, about who told what, when did I say that....shit...

That's the problem with incessant lying. Time is not on the liar's side. Because after a while, it just becomes a fog (after all, I can't remember what I said 6 months ago). And Conda-liar knows the tape recorder is ALWAYS ON, and they record everything you say.

That's why she hesitates. Same thing with Powell. Neither one should be in public office.

[salin]

33. Some frickin' head of National Security....

The REAL story behind the story is the compromising of an intelligence network (not just an agent, her contacts and their safety) - that was related to Weapons of Mass Destruction, through industry observation of the flow of related (materials/technology)?

I wrote this elsewhere. The coverage of this story sucks. The BIG picture is missing. And if Condi is unaware she has NO BUSINESS being the head of her agency.

I am going to repost (due to laziness of recomposing) what I wrote on another thread (in ital). Ask yourself - are not Condi's actions an indication that politics rules all - here is a serious compromising of the War on Terror (intelligence on WMD flow) - and she isn't aware of the leak? Politics aside - for national security reasons shouldn't her agency in coordination with the CIA have swung into action to assess the damage of the loss of this network of information - to determine if the country is more vulnerable? This aspect of the story disgusts me. (reposted post below)

What kills me about the coverage on this story is what they DON'T say...

what was compromised.

An information network tracking the industry flow related to WMD.

In the first place it appeared there was a brief discussion of how long it takes to put compromised intelligence gathering operations back on track.

Get it?

What is the real threat the US faces right now? It was not Saddam. It was Al queada and international terrorism.

The idea pushed by the administration - that there is a danger of WMDs falling into terrorist hands - was real. Just that they misapplied the threat and projected it upon a desired target.

Think back to a year ago.

There was a big push to the war vote.

Two weeks or so after the war vote the information about North Korea and their weapons development progress came out. There was a brief outrage because the information had been known for a short while (one month? two months?) by the administration but was held back during the discussions on the war resolution.

Why? Because a 'maybe they have them' threat was the center of the war resolution, while a real threat (a rogue country led by a tyrant who is characterized as capricious in nature and thus very dangerous; a country in economic disarray - thus with an economic incentive to deal with terrorist organizations; and the possibility that they could be producing and selling a small number of nuke weapons in a very short time) was known - and was not discussed.

The (brief) outrage was, in part, due to the fact that the threat of WMDs falling into terrorist hands... WAS (IS) REAL. And that political maneuvering obfuscated that fact, ignored the real threat for the 'maybe' threat, and left the US at risk.

Flash back to the current story.

We learn there is an active CIA operation that tracks WMD technology flow through industry. After 911 and the recognition of the potential threat of WMDs this operation becomes even more important. Vital to National Security.

We learn that political operatives - high up in the White House - willingly compromised that entire National Security intelligence operation - for political gain for the president.

THAT is the story. Not that a highup broke the law (that is a side story - and an investigation and arrest should be a by-product). The REAL investigation - if we were serious about national security - would be an assessment of the damage done by the leak. Should be the assessment of the danger to the US increased by interuption of intel on WMDs. Should be an assessment of what is required to replace that intel asap.

The White House - compromised the War on Terrorism.

And that is the aspect of this story that I have only seen refered to a single time in the press.

[Beetwasher]

38. Larger Issues and Competency

Further evidence of the true depth of serious, deep, treasonous criminality of these scumbags. A competent, ethical administration would, upon hearing of such a breach, launch a massive, thorough review of the apparatus. Heads would roll and roll immediately because the breach is so serious. Something like this would be addressed and acknowledged IMMEDIATELY to the people by a competent President in order to assure them that the situation would be remedied and those responsible would be brought to justice.

The evidence couldn't be more clear that a crime was committed. Plame's name is there in Novak's column for all to see and her position and those of her contacts are irrevocably tarnished and destroyed in a matter of the UTMOST AND EXTREME IMPORTANCE TO THE SINGLE MOST CRUCIAL ASPECT OF US POLICY: WMD'S AND THE WAR ON TERRORISM. The fact that this is the admin's stated #1 priority would seem to dictate that they would be all over this. The fact the Nat'l Security advisor claims to be completely ignornant about everything in regard to this, especially this far along after 9/11 and after these allegations have been out for several months now, shows 1 of 2 things and there's no other way this can be interpreted: 1. Condi is grossly incompetent to a degree that leaves me at a loss for words 2. She's a serial liar who is covering up very serious crimes.

There's no way out of this for them except burying it and hoping it goes away, and that's what they are trying to do by not acknowledging the crime and refusing to claim any knowledge of it. If they accomplish burying this by having Ashcroft claim nothing happened,it would be an astonishing admission of treasonous guilt by the admin. A Federal crime WAS committed that could be construed as treason. Someone released Plame's name. Someone high up in the admin. That can not be disputed by ANYONE. The fact that the admin. won't even acknowledge or investigate the crime is admission of guilt.

[salin]

39. excellent analysis

would you mind reposting it on a thread I started on this in GD?

Thanks.

[scarletwoman]

68. The thing is, the "War on Terror" is nothing but a sham.

It's a front, a cover story, nothing more. What these people are up to is global hegemony, nothing less. Control of oil supplies, control of resources in order to enrich multinational corporations, defense contractors, the international weapons trade, the international drug trade -- there's layer upon noxious layer of interests being served, and the overarching motivating force to all this is the lust for POWER.

These people don't give a shit about "protecting" us from terrorism or WMD. If they did, they wouldn't be working so hard to stonewall the 9/11 investigations. Yeah, so they compromised an agent working on tracking WMD -- so what? That's not what they're really interested in anyway, they just want the world under their thumbs (or jackboots...).

Sending out a message that no one better get in their way is WAY more important than what is, after all, a largely phony effort, a convenient front for manipulating their way to their TRUE goal.

They already know their pretenses work for most of the ignorant and propaganda-ridden American populace. And they also know that the corporate media is NOT going to aggressively connect any dots that might actually alert the populace to the real faces behind the masquerade, nor, I think, are there any politicians of consequence who are willing to unmask them. The System SUPPORTS them.

Why wouldn't they think that they'll get away with this? They got away with Iran-Contra, with the BCCI dirty dealings, the S & L scams, the 2000 coup -- just to name a few. And through the decades they've managed to get control of more and more of the pieces on the game board. They're going for the whole ball of wax now, the big push is on.

Just watch. This latest tempest will get buried. If Ashcroft's Justice Department can't bury it, then a conveniently timed atrocity of one sort or another will do the trick.

Raw POWER -- that's what they're about. The "War on Terrorism" is bogus.

sw

[TacticalPeek]

34. I'm a little amazed.

I watched her on MTP with the Queen of Media Whores in a performance even worse than when he let Cheney get by with the 'nuclear weapons' bs.

I missed her on Faux, but the above quotes sound like Snow actually followed up! Maybe even made news, and certainly got some interesting remarks on the record.

Whoa, Faux News cuts Timmie's pant off! Watch out for flying pigs!

Snow's on the right trail. Why doesn't aWol simply call all the 'senior WH officials' on the carpet, demand the culprits clean out their desks and submit their resignations by end of business that day?

And I think we are beginning to hear the repuke buzz word for this: "routine". Like agent outing and CIA/DOJ inquiries happen all the time, when actually Agee was the last instance I recall, 30 years ago. Routine?

Plus, the inevitable 'this is under investigation, I can't say anything, next question'.

:puke:

[young_at_heart]

36. Condoleeza is who Bush turns to

She almost always projects an efficient, very confident manner. When she stated that she didn't want to wait for a mushroom cloud over our cities she frightened many people, especially children. That statement was unbelievable in view of the circumstances! How can we believe her now?

[berry]

73. According to Bush, Condi (and maybe some other aides) is also

his sole source of news. On the FOX interview last week, Bush made a big point of saying he never reads newspapers or watches TV news (or radio I guess, but I can't remember if he said radio too...). Instead, he gets his news all packaged up in bite-size portions from Condi and other handlers. She may be stupid, and she's certainly a liar, but she has incredible power.

[lebkuchen]

40. That's the problem. Condoleeeza is always unaware

9-11 happened under her un-watchful eye.

[UpInArms]

41. want the FAUX spin?

you can find it here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98522,00.html

[Nottingham]

45. CIA SNAFU!! thats a helluva way to look at Traitorous Dealings

Its all in the Justice Departments hands ....lets keep moving!

:bounce:

:puke: Oh How She shakes when she is in trouble!

[RainDog]

46. so what the hell DOES Condi know?

she didn't know planes could be used as weapons, even though the administration had been warned.,

she didn't know the evidence for going into Iraq was cooked, even though she's supposedly NSA?

she didn't know someone had violated the law and committed an act of treason by outing an agent in an incident she didn't know about, either, because this has been in the news for months and she hasn't asked for accountablity, apparently.

Condi, did you know about the Unocal pipeline negotiations with the Taliban when you were a v.p. at Chevron? some think you did, but since you don't know about anything else, do you ever wonder if you are a token female/American of African origin?

Either she's incompetent or she's a bald-faced liar, and either way, she's not representing the best interests of this country by her actions.

[grasswire]

49. but did she leak it herself??

She didn't know about any WH effort to leak it.

But did she leak it?

She doesn't deny it.

Will someone ask her directly? "Did you tell a reporter that Joe Wilson's wife is Valerie Plame?"

[Nottingham]

50. Oh Grasswire that the 10 million dollar question! Right ON!

I bet Condi would refuse to answer it!
and I want a list of the 6 reporters called! :bounce:

[snippy]

62. Some of the media already know who leaked it.

Not only does Novak know, but the six other journalists offered the information also know. Maybe their editors too. Plus, the Washington Post article said:

The official would not name the leakers for the record . . .

So the Post knows too.

[The Magistrate]

51. She 'Knows Nothing", Does She?

"The guilty flyeth when none doth pursue."

[Festivito]

53. Sounds like Reagan, perhaps Alheimers is a Repub epidemic.

No wonder they can't play connect the dots.

[IndianaGreen]

56. Even George Will gives credence to the report

Will said on ABC this morning that the specificity of the allegation makes the story credible: two White House sources leaked the information, and they leaked it to 5 other reporters in addition to Bob Novak.

[dArKeR]

58. Hope Asscroft has better luck than the Anthrax Cover-up (Investigation)

Terrorist in the US...


FBI official charged with obstruction after concealing Ruby Ridge report
(Harp was in on this too and now he heads the anthrax cover-up.)
http://www.cnn.com/US/9610/22/ruby.ridge.final/


Lost In Translation
Edmonds says that the supervisor, in an effort to slow her down, went so far as to erase completed translations from her FBI computer after she'd left work for the day.
“The next day I would come to work, turn on my computer and the work would be gone. The translation would be gone,” she says. “Then I had to start all over again and retranslate the same document. And I went to my supervisor and he said, ‘Consider it a lesson and don't talk about it to anybody else and don't mention it.’”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/25/60minutes/main526954.shtml


Busting the FBI
The Judi Bari verdict bares government lies and deceit
They found that six agents of the FBI and the Oakland police twisted a murder attempt against Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney, two Earth First! activists working to reform logging practices
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/31/news-kuipers.php


Fighting an FBI frame-up
An Earth First! member relates how she and Darryl Cherney were framed by the FBI for a car bombing that nearly killed them. The frame-up was one of a long series of events in the FBI's campaign against the environmental movement. It has been four years since Darryl Cherney and I were nearly killed in a 1990 car-bomb assassination attempt, then arrested for possession of the bomb
http://www.wildrockies.org/cove/news/62194nw.html


Did The FBI Destroy Evidence?
The FBI and prosecutors ordered the destruction in 1999 of evidence from a bank robbery they once suspected linked Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh to white supremacists who were threatening before McVeigh's bombing to attack the government, documents show.
The evidence included a surveillance videotape of a bank robbery by some of the supremacists that occurred in Ohio five months before the bombing. The FBI lab compared the tape to pictures of McVeigh, but concluded a match was "inconclusive," internal memos show.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/12/national/main540266.shtml


FBI Whistleblower Harassed
Special agent John Roberts says he was threatened, intimidated and humiliated for exposing what he said has become a pattern of misconduct at the highest levels of the FBI and that has gone unpunished.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/25/60minutes/main530750.shtml


FBI Meeting Called A Sham
A Justice Department investigation into a 1997 retirement dinner for former FBI Deputy Director Larry A. Potts said senior bureau executives used a sham conference at the FBI training academy in Quantico, Va., to justify using taxpayer funds for cross-country travel to Washington.
http://www.americansovereign.com/newsarchive/fbisham.htm


Phone records: Link from state official to FBI
Deputy AG reportedly sought federal aid to find missing Democrats
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/politics/state/stories/061103dntexdps.aca2d.html


The FBI is conducting an exhaustive review of each of its thousands of human intelligence sources to ensure the information they provide is accurate and that their relationships with FBI handlers are proper.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/28/national/main551346.shtml


Earth Threatened, Wen Ho Lee Released
http://unquietmind.com/wenholee.html

Wen Ho Lee is Just one more example of FBI Misdirection. Many elements of the case are similar to Unabomber Charade. Together they are textbook examples of Government tactics on Black Ops.
http://www.unabombers.com/z23.htm

http://www.wenholee.org/


FBI Agent, Turner, blew whistle on Ground Zero, 911, theft.
She says she immediately reported the problem to a federal prosecutor, then to her supervisor, and waited for him to act.
Two weeks later, after nothing apparently had been done, Turner seized the globe, bagged it as evidence and took it to Justice Department officials in Washington.
(She's being fired.)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/907004.asp?0cv=CB10


Poll: 4 out of 10 Americans don't trust FBI
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001-05-22-mcveigh-pollstory.htm


With defense lawyers stepping up challenges to genetic evidence, the Justice Department inspector general is examining the FBI lab unit that analyzes DNA in hundreds of cases a year after a technician was caught failing to follow proper procedure.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/11/tech/main543575.shtml


FBI says it withheld evidence from McVeigh lawyers
http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/05/10/mcveigh.evidence.02/

Nichols: FBI Withheld On Purpose
A lawyer for Terry Nichols, who was convicted as Timothy McVeigh's assistant in the Oklahoma City bombing, claimed the FBI may have intentionally withheld documents from defense lawyers and misled federal prosecutors.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/05/14/national/main291113.shtml

[proud patriot]

63. Rated it a 5 ...it's now at 3.49

:hi:

[scarletwoman]

65. Damn, it was about 4.75 about an hour or so ago...

Someone out there is purposely trying to bring the numbers down. :mad:

sw

[Nottingham]

64. Interesting Observation from the Freepers they pick Cheney

I find that very interesting that they picked up that Wilson specifically named Cheney in his report!

I definitely think Cheney is in the target area!!

Aschcroft can erase all the records while he investigates!

:bounce:

But I wouldn't really want to mess with the CIA would you!

[RainDog]

66. I think Cheney is the source for the info too

he may not be the one who called six reporters, but I think he's the one who gave the info to the persons who did.

He was on Team B, which dismissed the CIA evidence and created their own intel to invade.

He would have access to know who was an agent or not.

He was the target of Wilson's NYTimes editorial--Wilson said he had been sent to Niger on Cheney's request.

Josh Marshall has an interesting observation that the source who has now come forward to confirm that Plame was targeted may likely be George Tenet..it's on his site.

So, Mr and Ms Watson, we can guess that Cheney is the one who outed Plame by way of his gofers, Tenet confirmed this action, and it's a neat little knot with the Cheney hanging himself with his hubris (I think that's located somewhere below everyone else's belt...)

We know or know fairly well that three of the six journalists were Novak, someone at Time, and someone at NY Newsday.

Maybe this scandal is also why the others in the White House were distancing themselves from Cheney last week, knowing this announcement was forthcoming.

[snippy]

67. Scooter Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, was a participant in the WHIG.

Libby also was involved in pressuring the CIA to strengthen the WMD intel during the marketing build up prior to the invasion. His name also came up as a strong possibility for being responsible for the inclusion of the yellowcake lie in the SOTU speech.

[0007]

70. The story is rated at 3.75 right now!

I the freepers are trying to squelch the story.

[SoCalDem]

71. For a top advisor, she doesn't "know" much

she didn't know about the possibility of planes crashing into buildings... only about "traditional" hijackings

she didn't know about the report/briefing that W had gotten in August, even though SHE WAS THERE..

she didn't know about "what might happen" as a result of the "war"..even though international politics is her FREAKING SPECIALTY..

she should be removed, for sheer incompetance

[coralrf]

72. It is a moot point...think about it.

Would Condi say she knew if she did? No way. In acknowledging the leak she would place it right at cabinet level, Her, Rove, Rummy...etc.

FOX knew what she would say. Do you think FOX was willing to be the station of record that placed this thing at Bush's dinner table? Again, no way.

[tamdon]

74. We know she is a liar and truly out of her depth

Hello everyone. Here is an interesting tidbit. Someone has informed me that though Condi is a Russian expert or "Soviet" rather, she doesn't speak the language. Is this a wellknown piece of info? I find the Wilsongate scandal nauseating and I do believe that she is one of those two senior officials or her deputy is one of them.

[rman]

75. They never know anything that's inconvenient

- don't know where wmds are
- don't know about forged niger docs
- don't know about 9-11 / saddam link

if nothing else, they'r completely incompetent.

[roguevalley]

76. this little cow doesn't know much.

obviously she is very un-Trumanesque in her unwillingness to have the buck stop with her. Go to jail anyway. This little cow wants to be governor of cally-fornia. God help us all.

[rman]

77. so Arnold is going to keep her seat warm?

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[SodoffBush]

80. Condoleeeezzzza makes a terrific "SGT Schultz"

Let's start calling her "Schultie," of Hogan's Heroes fame.