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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:36 PM
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Military stashes covert millions.......MacDill Florida
This is Another blow for Rummy: Deceived Congress!!!

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/28/news_pf/Tampabay/Military_stashes_cove.shtml


The Pentagon asks MacDill's Special Operations to tuck an extra $20-million into its budget until it's needed.



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TAMPA - The U.S. Special Operations Command at MacDill Air Force Base inflated budget proposals at the Pentagon's request last year to hide $20-million from Congress, according to documents obtained by the St. Petersburg Times.

Special Operations officials divided the money among six projects so the money would not attract attention. They also instructed their own budget analysts not to mention it during briefings with congressional aides, the documents show.

The Pentagon's inspector general has launched an investigation. House Appropriations Chairman C.W. Bill Young, R-Largo, said he will ask Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld during a hearing Tuesday whether the Pentagon intentionally deceived Congress.


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The plan, according to defense officials and documents obtained by the Times, called for Special Operations to pad its proposed budget by $20-million so the money could be used later by the Pentagon for some other purpose. The Pentagon initially wanted Special Operations to hide $40-million. The Special Operations Command, which oversees the nation's secret commando units, refused.

much more daming words for DC
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:40 PM
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1. This confirms to Me the Military stealing Millions & Billions
Rummsfeld is responsible for this! Bush Administration is stealing Billions from America!

I can't wait to see where this goes next! :bounce:
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Cappurr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:48 PM
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5. This just gets worse and worse doesn't it
I'll bet the Clintons are going apeshit. They were investigated for eight years for missing billing records, travel office firings and a blow job in the oval office. AND not one person ever went to jail in connection with any of these "crimes" despite 70 million of Ken Starr's investigation. (Except of course for Susan McDougal who went to jail because she wouldn't testify....not because she committed any crime.)
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:45 PM
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2. It wouldn't surprise me at all if
this was commonplace, if not routine. The Pentagon has never, I repeat NEVER passed an audit, so I'm sure money gets surreptitiously passed around all the time. Ny next question, is it illegal?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:54 PM
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7. Sept.10th, 2001 Rummy announces that $2.1 TRILLION of stuff is missing
This was part of Rummy trying to maneuver to shake up the military structure but the number was astounding. We know we spent the money it's just that a lot of stuff (salvage ship, some tanks included) couldn't be found. The next day of course this story lost a lot of attention.

There are currently 1,400 different accounting systems used by the DoD.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:46 PM
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3. Lying and Cheating the American people!!!!
this is most damning to this administration....trying to DECEIVE Congress......HIde and Lie




The agreement between the Pentagon officials in Washington and Special Operations officials in Tampa is spelled out in an e-mail distributed by SoCom comptroller Elaine Kingston to colleagues on Feb. 11, 2002.

In the e-mail, Kingston wrote that she received a call from someone in the Pentagon comptroller's office. The caller, who is not identified in the e-mail, asked if the Special Operations Command could "park" $40-million of research and development money in its proposed budget for the 2003 fiscal year, which ends Tuesday.

"They needed an answer in 5 minutes," Kingston wrote. "The agency they had it parked with had a problem and couldn't do it."

Kingston wrote that "there was no way for us to park $40M." She wrote that she and Deborah Kiser, SoCom's investment appropriations budget chief, found six programs where they could add $20-million.

The programs listed in the e-mail include improvements to missile warning systems on Special Operations aircraft, infrared equipment on helicopters and radar systems. The $20-million was distributed in amounts as small as $2-million and as large as $5-million.

In her e-mail, Kingston coached colleagues on how to account for the additional money and avoid attracting attention to it in congressional briefings.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:47 PM
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4. John Warner is getting this emailed this morning.....
gin
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:53 PM
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6. I have worked as a budget analyst
and the term "park" is exactly the term used when you want a little slush fund that you're going to use for something else. There is no confusion over the word "park".

I'm sure Rummy & Co. are going to have to be very creative with this one. They are going to have to argue that "it depends on what the meaning of 'park' is".

Watch Rummy Tuesday. The most incredible lies you can imagine will come out of Rummy's mouth Tuesday.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 12:54 PM
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8. yep, the pentagon is the bagman for the bloody hands bushgang


from the people's pocket to the bushgang's pocket via the pentagon

is this Ricco? (or whatever that gang law thing is called)
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 01:24 PM
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9. kind of ties in with the missing $2.3 Trillion
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

excerpt:

Just last week President Bush announced, "my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending."

More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.

"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.

$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.

"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.

Minnery, a former Marine turned whistle-blower, is risking his job by speaking out for the first time about the millions he noticed were missing from one defense agency's balance sheets. Minnery tried to follow the money trail, even crisscrossing the country looking for records.

...more...

the answer is that these guys are thieves -- out and out thieves :mad:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 02:52 PM
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10. Just the tip of the Spec. Ops iceberg. I'm sure if we really wanted
Edited on Sun Sep-28-03 02:54 PM by Dover
to start looking into this, we'd find the same sorts of plans amounting to trillions of dollars for "special" programs.
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 02:55 PM
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11. Rummy's shakedown money no less
For all the bribes he's been giving out.:puke:
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JewelDigger Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 04:40 PM
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12. Kick
:kick:
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 05:28 PM
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13. White House Plumbers Money not Military Money! Nixon was maggot but
The Bush Adm. are the most corrupt criminals to enter the WH ever. But let talk about Clinton aids removing the 'W' from computer key boards. Ones that would be thrown away anyway after 8 years of use. And finger print smudges on walls next to light switches that had to be painted over.

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JewelDigger Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:46 AM
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14. This IS your money......
....this IS your government. It's not some abstraction. Don't you care? Don't you think they should be accountable to YOU (or to someone who you put into trust....like YOUR Congress???).

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