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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:10 AM
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The CIA leak (CNN - Novak statement)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/01/column.novak.opinion.leak/

My role and the role of the Bush White House have been distorted and need explanation.

The leak now under Justice Department investigation is described by former Ambassador Wilson and critics of President Bush's Iraq policy as a reprehensible effort to silence them. To protect my own integrity and credibility, I would like to stress three points. First, I did not receive a planned leak. Second, the CIA never warned me that the disclosure of Wilson's wife working at the agency would endanger her or anybody else. Third, it was not much of a secret.

<snip>

A big question is her duties at Langley. I regret that I referred to her in my column as an "operative," a word I have lavished on hack politicians for more than 40 years. While the CIA refuses to publicly define her status, the official contact says she is "covered" -- working under the guise of another agency. However, an unofficial source at the Agency says she has been an analyst, not in covert operations.

The Justice Department investigation was not requested by CIA Director George Tenet. Any leak of classified information is routinely passed by the Agency to Justice, averaging one a week. This investigative request was made in July shortly after the column was published. Reported only last weekend, the request ignited anti-Bush furor.

...

this piece of flotsam has no shame :mad:
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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:14 AM
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1. And Kay Bailey Hutchinson, just about read this verbatim from...
the floor of the Senate.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:16 AM
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2. He's a liar or incompetent
He's been in the business for how long and doesn't know the difference between and operative and an analyst??? Puhleeeze! Lying sack of shit...
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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:14 AM
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16. Maybe he was offered alittle incentive to play dumb??? N/T
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:02 PM
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30. Novak was hawking "analyst" yesterday
until he found out everybody had a copy of his piece of traitorous writing.

Then he blamed it on partisan politics.

Now he's saying that Palme's 30 years as a CIA spy was common knowledge.

I fear for the US.
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Gunit_Sangh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:19 AM
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3. more fair and balanced reporting
<I was curious why a high-ranking official in President Bill Clinton's National Security Council (NSC) was given this assignment. Wilson had become a vocal opponent of President Bush's policies in Iraq after contributing to Al Gore in the last election cycle and John Kerry in this one. >

In setting the record straight, nofacts seems to not think it relevant that poppa bush praised Joe Wilson for his actions prior to the first gulf war and that he was considered a hero for saving hundreds of American lives (along with citizens of other countries) and that he gave more money to jr than Gore.

I also notice they fail to mention that the current ambassador to Nigeria and a retired marine general backed up Wilson's assessment that it was impossible for Iraq to purchase 500 tons of yellowcake.



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pw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:35 AM
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10. Fair and balanced lie
It's been fairly widely documented that he contributed to the Twit campaign in the last cycle.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:35 AM
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11. Wilson donated to bush, not Gore - so his reasoning/research stink!
Someone posted here on what Wilson said:

n CNBC Capitol Report they just pushed Wilson on the $1000 Kerry
donation
and he came back with, 'No, it was $2000, in two $1000 payments'; then
he went on to say that what Ed Gillespie also knew but didn't tell
anybody, was that Wilson also donated $2000 to Bush/Cheney in 2000! But
that he would not be supporting aWol this time because of their war and
peace blunder!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:41 AM
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19. or that Wilson was Bushsr's ambassador to Iraq in 1991
which is why we call him "Ambassador Wilson" in the first place?
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TAH6988 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:50 AM
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21. Actually, we call him Ambassador because
of his real Ambassador jobs, not his "acting ambassador" job during Desert Storm.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:22 AM
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4. Somebody else here said it best - "If it's no big deal, and the knowledge
was public, then name the leakers."

For somebody who was one of the co-ordinated attackers on the legality of Clinton/Gore's actions, he suddenly became stupid about whether or not something could be illegal. Plus, naming a CIA operative has been pretty stupid, right?

AND, the White House said in its memo that the person revealed was "undercover". Isn't that proof?
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. lying sack of
dung
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:14 PM
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24. 'the White House said in its memo that the person revealed was "undercover
By revealing that the 'undercover' designation was correct, did the WH memo itself breach the law? Did it need to reveal this, or could it have just referred to 'allegations'? Isn't it common practice to state that no public comment can be made on whether a person claimed to be a spy actually is a spy? Or, if the WH memo was itself a classified communication, then why isn't its release an issue?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:26 AM
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5. A tale of three points
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 10:30 AM by rocknation
To protect my own integrity and credibility, I would like to stress three points.
  • First, I did not receive a planned leak.
  • Second, the CIA never warned me that the disclosure of Wilson's wife working at the agency would endanger her or anybody else.
  • Third, it was not much of a secret.

To show that you are a lying, conspiring, treasonus sack of shit, I would like to stress three points.

  • Unless you're psychic or was in on it, you have no way of knowing if the leak was planned.

  • Assuming that you're telling the truth when you say you called the CIA for confirmation and they asked you not to use her name, it should have occured to you that they had a REASON for doing so which MIGHT have nothing to with getting in the way of your story.

  • IF IT WASN'T THAT MUCH OF A SECRET, WHY DID YOU CALL THE CIA FOR CONFIRMATION IN THE FIRST PLACE?


rocknation

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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:47 PM
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29. Your post deserves an answer.
You should Email CNN.
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. What's their address?
I have some things to say myself.
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:05 PM
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31. Meanwhile, what were the CNN editors doing?
Or does Novak get a carte blanche from CNN to undermine national security whenever he pleases?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:28 AM
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7. I would have thought that Novak was smart enough not....
...to get on the bad side of the CIA. Evidently, he's even more afraid of the people he's trying to protect.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #7
25. A smart person can act awfully dumb ...
when he's on an arrogant crusade. And even more so when he realizes that he's in hot water because of what he did on his arrogant crusade.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:28 AM
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8. "While the CIA refuses to publicly define her status"???
Climb on the cluetrain, Nofacts. No ethical DC journalist would need a bigger clue.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:31 AM
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9. He knows why they can't publicly define her status. He is playing dumb
I used to think this guy had some ethics.

Don

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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:06 PM
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32. "I used to think this guy had some ethics."
Based on what evidence?

I never thought that.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:44 AM
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12. The "common knowledge" BS is refuted by Marshall:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/oct0301.html#100103952am
Wilson was not some kind of celebrity and to friends the wife was saying she was working for some company...
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iam Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:49 AM
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13. What?
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 10:52 AM by iam
There is an official investigation going on with Novak named as a player and he publicly defends the White House, the subject of the investigation? What ever happened to "It would be inappropriate to comment on an on-going investigation".
If you are a conservative, laws are made to be broken.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 10:49 AM
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14. Email CNN demanded they fire his treasonous ass
CNN has as much to explain as the WH.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:09 AM
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15. At least demand that Lou Dobbs ban him from his show.
:silly:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:23 AM
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17. HAHAHA. IRRELEVANT he's pretending to be an expert on the CIA and a mind-
reader as well. WAY too many CIA, WH, and Justice Department reports have come out in the past few days using the words operative, undercover, and criminal investigation, for his statements to have any relevance now.

schmuck. reading more rove text. novak has been obviated by this story... he is now officially irrelevant.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:29 AM
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18. This is typical bush politics
dirty the messenger, muddy the waters, make it look like everybody does it so its no big deal, "we didn't do it but if we did it they deserved it and everybody does it". No surprises here. Novak is a bush whore and will write whatever helps bush. And since they think they are above the law, they will lie and plan to get away with it.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:44 AM
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20. To little, to late Bob.
Nice try though. I think Bob & Rove are gonna have a lot in common in the near future.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:23 PM
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26. Who is covered by the do-not-reveal law?
Those in official positions to know? Those in official positions with no right to know but who nevertheless may learn the info? Or any person who is in receipt of the info?
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 11:53 AM
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22. WHere is the Apology for putting this woman in danger!
I have NO Respect for Novak! :bounce:
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LeftIsBest Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:03 PM
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23.  you're right
Novak should apologize. I hope both BUSH and Novak suffer permanant damage.

Since the Dems on capitol hill don't think it's worth it to actually get an independent counsel so much as it to look like they want one in front of the cameras there will never be a fair investigation. Justice department will take forever until the story gets buried and then no one will get burned for it. However, I trust that once you piss off the CIA they got many ways of getting back.

I will be honest, I am going to enjoy watching this administration suffer.

Dean 04'
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:25 PM
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27. Or for putting her contacts into danger.
And because the CIA cannot say, we don't know whether any of them have in fact suffered or died because of it.
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:10 PM
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34. 30 years worth of contacts
If Novak gets away with this, it's open season on CIA agents.
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TAH6988 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:06 PM
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37. Not thirty years
the woman is only in her 40's as I understand it. This was brought up in another post.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 12:30 PM
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28. Novak blames partisan politics
on the part of Dems - as a direct result of is hack partisan politics attempt to smear Wilson and wife.

You screwed up Bob, just admit it.
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:21 PM
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36. The issue is our national security, post 9-11, which Novak jeopardized
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 01:38 PM by Rebel_with_a_cause
It's a testament to the divisiveness of the Bush administration and its media minions that they must resort to "partisan politics" to cover up the fact that they are unwilling to unify with democrats even when the security of the country is at stake.
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:16 PM
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35. my email to Crossfire
I keep hearing people say that "everybody knew" that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, and since nothing bad has happened to her as a result of the leak, it's no big deal that Mr. Novak released her name. If that is the case, why doesn't Mr. Novak just reveal the names of his sources? Or better yet, why don't they come forward?

Nicole in Minnesota
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