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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:47 AM
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LA Times - Acting as if It's in the Bag


http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/recall/la-me-arnold2oct02,1,4834985.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Acting as if It's in the Bag
Six days before the vote, Schwarzenegger touts a plan for his first 100 days in office. His governor-elect tone infuriates Davis aides.

By Joe Mathews and Gregg Jones
Times Staff Writers

October 2, 2003

SACRAMENTO — All but declaring himself California's next governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday triumphantly announced a 10-step plan for his first 100 days in office and declared that if legislators don't follow his lead, he'll seek approval for his proposals through the initiative process.

"I am not here today to talk about campaigning," Schwarzenegger, hoarse from the campaign, told an audience of several hundred local Republicans at Sacramento's Memorial Auditorium. "I'm here today to talk about governing."

Schwarzenegger's speech lasted just 12 minutes and his plan ran to just one page of paper, but it was significant for its tone and purpose — compiling the disparate proposals of his campaign into one speech and presenting it under the mantle of a presumed governor-elect.

Not surprisingly, the speech infuriated aides to Gov. Gray Davis, who said it was presumptuous for Schwarzenegger to be looking beyond next Tuesday's election.

"I think it is profoundly disrespectful to the people of California to be measuring the drapes at the Capitol before voters have had a chance to make a decision," said Peter Ragone, communications director for the Davis campaign. "You don't take a victory lap a week before the election."
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:55 AM
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1. There better be an initiative process if he's elected, a recall initiative
Arnold's political career will be over long before many of his hated "legislators" (all elected by the people in real elections, unlike him) even think of retiring.

The Democrats in the state house need to make this guy pay dearly for what he and his right wing media pals are trying to do to democracy.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 09:57 AM
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2. Republicans just want the power of the executive order
Most Californians don't have a clue about what
Pete Wilson on steroids would do to this state.
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:12 AM
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3. Not in Cali., just watching the circus from the cheap seats.
So I have no real deep seated hatred or love for Davis. I know the state budget is in the porcelain swirler and people are angry, but that is about as much reason as I can find in this matter. I watched the debates and understand why Arrianna dropped.

It still appears to me to be a 2 horse race. It is hard to gauge from the media though. I can't really get a handle on how the voters feel about Bustamomte (sp).


I do, however, think it is being two-faced to complain that a candidate has no plan and then to complain that they are acting like it is in the bag when they give their plan for the first 100 days. I would love for all the Dem. presidential candidates to do this. It would be informational and help people, like myself, make comparisons. I hate to rely on the media to state a persons position. Especially with the kind of news I hear daily about Clark or Dean changing their position in the last few years. I am really more interested in where they are now, what they intend to do as soon as they take office and how they went from previously held positions to the ones they now embrace.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:36 AM
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4. "Schwarzenegger in dead heat with Davis, L.A. Times finds"
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:55 AM
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5. 6 women accuse Arnold of groping them
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/recall/la-me-women2oct02,1,2313555.story?coll=la-home-headlines

It is beyond me how anyone could vote for this guy. If Republicans vote for him, they are the worst form of hypocrite. Any Dem that votes for him has to be deaf, dumb and blind. He is revoltingly arrogant, egotisitcal and stupid. His attiudes towards women are outrageous. If he wins, I predict he will be in the toilet within 12 to 18 months. He hasn't a clue about how to govern. His stupid one-liners won't help.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 01:16 PM
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10. Well aren't the Rethug Reich Wingers ALL hypocrits???
What the hell ever happened to "Hollywood should stay out of politics"??????

Now it's O.K!!! BULLSHIT!!!!!!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:14 AM
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7. I think it might be more
Schwarzzenegger might know somethign we don't.

Like during the Bloodless Coup of 2000, when the Emperor* said "Don't you believe it. My brother promised me Florida."

I'm sure he did, Chimpy McBunnypants.

I also think that Uncle Karl has promised Emperor-to-Be Ahnold something similar.

California is Touchscreen Stalin Voting, with no paper trails, no ability for independent inspections, and little ability to detect shenanigans, so I put nothing past the Busheviks.

The Imperial Succession:

(if things are unchanged, the Busheviks "win" and the Old Republic is not restored, which is by no means assured so DON'T GIVE UP)

2001-2009 Emperor Bunnypants*
2009-2017 Emperor Jeb
2017-2025 Emperor I'm-a-Bushevik-but-my-name-ain't-Bush-so-stop-saying-Amerika-is-a-hereditary-empire

(I am still undecided who this very necessary Bushevik appointment to the Imperial Throne will be, but if Ahnold "wins" CA, then it will very likely be him, with a change in the almost irrelevant Constitution--but the illusion must be maintained, like in Imperial Rome--to allow foriegn-born people as Emperor)

2025-2032 The Mad Reign of George P. "Caligula" Bush
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:07 AM
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6. I wonder were he got that "aura of inevitability" strategy
Boy Genius must of have given him a call. It's the same trick Bush used during the Florida recount. Bush was holding cabinet meetings in Crawford before they even finished counting the votes.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 11:31 AM
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8. Anybody that's been following BBV knows Arnold may likely win in Calif.
But it's not because the election will reflect the will of the people; it will reflect the will of those who program the machines, and the political machine that is running, and ruining, this country.

How many elections will it take before people wake up and take to the streets about this HUGELY important issue??

With the very flawed CNN poll the other day, it appeared to me that the fix was already in, and they knew it.

:kick:
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NoKingGeorge Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 12:57 PM
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9. Or not. Money raising for contesting the outcome.
Just heard Oxcyfatboys replacement talking about an organization raising money to file motions the day after. Did not catch the name although he gave it out. Anyone know ?
I think the inability to audit the election, where touch screens are used, and the illegality of having some use previously outlawed machines will cost California a lot of Court time.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 01:19 PM
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11. and money and credibility
I have the sense that Republicans want to scare
us out of voting and bankrupt all government
services including the Secretary of State's budget
to replace outdated machines.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:46 PM
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12. go here to donate to moveon's last minute ad campaign
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:52 PM
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13. Donate to Move On - they need $500,000 today to stop Arnold!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 07:48 PM
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14. kick
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