Private Lynch's 'sex slur'

[demdave]

GULF WAR II heroine Jessica Lynch was yesterday hit by a vicious sex-smear campaign.

Two ex-comrades tried to sell Globe magazine images, they claim show her topless and simulating sex, for £120,000.

One troop, identified only as Bobby, bitterly said Jessica needed to be brought down a peg.




http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003452779,00.html

[underpants]

1. That's just sad

Leave the girl alone. Whether these really exist I couldn't care less but to try to make a dime off it is sad.

[Boomer]

2. And what about Jessica's dime?

Yeah, it's pretty shoddy. But then allowing the Pentagon to trump up a bogus rescue story on your behalf and selling off rights to the farce is also pretty low. Add some very convenient amnesia to cover your ass and it's a wonder they could even FIND some bare skin on her body.

--Boomer

[Cappurr]

10. Actually....it wasn't her that said she had amnesia.

It was the military. Her parents said she was fine and had no amnesia at all. That girl wasn't allowed to talk to the media. She was just as much a prisoner in the US military hospital as she was in Iraq.

[underpants]

11. Pretty low of the Pentagon too and NBC

As I understand it she gets nothing nada zippo fromt their TV movie.

Welcome to DU :hi: if'n I haven't before.

[pbeal]

13. Jessica is makeing a fortune

She started the exploiting herself for money thing.

and she did it at the expense of the dead and at the expense of people who actually remember what happened and who were captive a lot longer.

From what I understand everyone who survived the ambush and the relatives of those who didn't are really angry at what can only be called profiteering by Jessica Lynch.

[No Passaran]

51. Isn't she making millions

based on the fact that she got lost in the desert and didn't even fire a single round. There are a lot of heroes that I knew personally who died on the battlefields in Iraq and no one ever mentions them.

Soldiers hate her for cashing in and parading around and making money while they're over there doing the things that she didn't know how to do or was (obviously) incapable of doing.

[bspence]

3. and shockingly, they're Republicans

Well, I'm guessing, but most jarheads in the military are.

[Drifter]

5. Where does it say ...

that they are Republicans.

Based on the article -
True, I'm sure she might not be squeaky clean, but she never asked for the mess that the administration has put her in. THEY are the Republicans.

Cheers
Drifter

[TAH6988]

7. Really?

Since you don't even know what a "jarhead" is, you probably should not be stating what political party military memebers belong to.

[haymaker]

12. Right on cue!

Secret Agent Man.

[TAH6988]

35. Yep

NSSAH

[SWPAdem]

18. Do YOU know what a jarhead is?

First hint: there are none in the army. The jarheads may all be Repugs, but there are most certainly, a fair number of liberals in the Army. Speaking from personal experience........

[TAH6988]

34. I was asking if the previous poster knew what

a jarhead was/is. Of course I know...

[KaraokeKarlton]

60. Not all marines are Republicans

They aren't necessarily conservative, either. (I have two marines in my family) Marines love the marine corps, though. They are very militarily geared. They also are just as kind and generous as they are macho, at least in my experience.

[Robb]

50. Aha!

That would be personnel experience! :)

[No Passaran]

52. <----- one of those liberals in the army

[TacticalPeek]

20. One thing's for sure:

R or not, the cabal sure ain't enjoying that jarhead, General Zinni, chewing they ass to tiny shreds.

:evilgrin:

[pbeal]

17. Jarheads are Marines these are Soldiers

nm

[atreides1]

22. Jarheads are Marines and Not All Military Personnel Are Republicans

First of all Jarheads are Marines not soldiers, and before you ask, yes there is a difference.

By the way I was a soldier in the US Army, and I voted for the best
person for the job. And I'm a Democrat.

[Ripley]

23. You guys can stop now.

So one person is ignorant and didn't know what a jarhead was. Let's pile on. Sheesh, I think she/he got the message.

[demdave]

30. and not shockingly, people who don't know what they are talking about

make baseless accusations.

[DemVet]

46. I hate it...

....when anyone that hasn't been in the service calls military people their 'pet' names: Squid, Jarhead, Dogface, Airdale, Coastie, etc.

Just my .02 cents. :)

[hlthe2b]

4. Conflicted on her...

She did, after all take a million dollar book deal, exploiting her (apparently undeserved) role as a "hero," when her similarly wounded or killed colleagues are getting nothing. I just can't condone this kind of war profiteering, whether by the BUshistas or more sympathetic people. Perhaps if she had given part of the profits to the Native American woman GI's family who died, or some of the other wounded, I wouldn't be so hard on her. But, this is why I think folks will come out of the woodwork to smear her-- something I in no way, condone, but find not unexpected.

[Cappurr]

6. Sad....and so damn common

People are greedy....they'll do almost anything for money. And the sleaze media we have generates that kind of thing. I think Jessica did get too much attention......but that wasn't HER doing....it was the administration and Pentagon who were trying to get war points for a phoney rescue of a seriously hurt and tramatized young woman. Too bad they don't have any sex pictures of rummy or shrub to sell. Well maybe someday..... :evilgrin:

I think she is making a big mistake by doing TV interview, movie and all that. She should take some time. Think about what happened to her and then do the interview and maybe a book.

[TAH6988]

8. Who believes

the Sun, anyway?

[haymaker]

14. Again

and again.

[Ripley]

9. Bobby is one sick selfish ahole.

1. Who says she is a heroine? I bet she doesn't.
2. Who says she is a millionaire? Has she received any money from the book or movie deals?
3. What peg is she on that she must come down from? She did not approach the media. In fact in her little speech I heard her say she wanted to thank everyone who helped her in a very gracious way.
4. Who ever claimed she was squeaky clean? Does having sex or being topless mean you are "dirty?"
5. While I think the whole rescue story was a PR move by the Pentagon...why were they filming? Why did they shoot at the doctors trying to turn her over? Why did they wreck the hospital after the Iraqi doctors took better care of her than Iraqi patients?...Jessica herself has done nothing to receive such venom.

Some men need to evolve.

[Boomer]

19. Silence gives consent

> Jessica herself has done nothing to receive such venom. <

Well, you're partly right -- she has done nothing. She has kept quiet and allowed lies and deception to flourish, all in her name. If she had spoken up and told the truth about what happened, a truth which is emerging in bits and pieces anyway, what could the military have done? Ironically, because of the Pentagon's little myth-making venture, Lynch is too much in the public eye for them to risk punishing her.

--Boomer

[Ripley]

21. Maybe she was threatened to keep her damn mouth shut?

Ever think of that smarty? How many soldiers have you seen speak out during this war and in a heartbeat they were reprimanded and told to never speak to the media again...and boom. No more soldiers talking bad about the war, only golly it's so wonderful to be here.

You don't know anymore about her situation than I do. She is having all of this thrust upon her and frankly, I was hoping in an interview she would come right out on prime time and say "I never had amnesia, they treated me well in Iraq hosptial and there was no reason to have a raid to "rescue" me." However, she may jeopardize her life if she were to do that.

Edit: How many people are in the public eye that have "accidents" or "commit suicide?"

[atreides1]

26. Then We Know She Has Little Or No Principles.

Better to die with the truth then to live with a lie!!

[lightbulb]

33. What if you had the most powerful people on earth

telling you over and over that if you played the patriot and went along with their plan, you and your family would never have to worry about money again, but if you went against their plan, you and your loved ones would have nothing but misfortune now and in the foreseeable future? It's probably not just Jessica that Jessica is looking out for.

[atreides1]

49. My family...

...knows what kind of person I am, and they wouldn't have a problem with it.

Would you collaborate with an enemy to get better treatment, turning
in someone who had the courage to fight where you didn't. I think you would.

"BETTER TO DIE ON YOUR FEET, THEN TO LIVE ON YOUR KNEES"

Emiliano Zapata

[Boomer]

29. Checking my tinfoil hat for holes

Heck, I don't usually argue against entertaining conspiracy theories, but really, I don't see Lynch -- even in brazen defiance of the entire Pentagon -- as a target for that level of retribution.

And as I specifically stated, the extreme publicity is probably her best shield in the world against any kind of retaliation. The glare of the spotlight is too intense to risk hurting her or even admonishing her.

But it's a travesty and an insult to her fellow soldiers to accept any medal other than a purple heart (which she DID earn, poor girl). And it undermines the bravery and hardships they endured to walk off in a cloud of pixie dust while they're left coughing on road dust, metaphorical and otherwise. As the opening news article documents, the most intense anger against Lynch is coming from other military folk, not civilians. They're royally pissed at her.

If anything, she'd better watch her back among the rank-and-file, not the ones who wear stars.

--Boomer

[Ripley]

31. You must have gone to the Air Force Academy.

Look, I'm not saying she should be treated any better than any other soldier who survived an ambush. I don't know enough about the medals she received to know what or why she got them. But why don't you take this up with the top brass? You seem to think she asked for the medals, she asked for the media spotlight, she asked for special treatment. Give me a link to her words that say that.

"And as I specifically stated, the extreme publicity is probably her best shield in the world against any kind of retaliation. The glare of the spotlight is too intense to risk hurting her or even admonishing her."

Do you remember David Kelly? Pretty big fucking spotlight on him.

I don't think you should be threatening her either.

[Boomer]

36. Please don't accuse me of threats...

...which is a complete -- and hopefully not deliberate -- distortion of my point.

The slurs that started this whole thread were from soldiers, and I was simply pointing out that the level of venom they're expressing is considerable and they were more a danger to her than the PR flacks at the Pentagon.

I'm a civilian. I have no personal beef with Jessica Lynch. And although I was taking her to task for her silence, I've since read some messages on this thread that are softening my argumentative stance.

--Boomer

[Ripley]

59. You ended your post with this:

"If anything, she'd better watch her back among the rank-and-file, not the ones who wear stars."

Why would you state something encouraging for other military men to jump on her? Irresponsible statement my friend.


Sorry, I did not mean to imply you personally were threatening her, but it sounded like a 3rd party threat the way you attacked her in posts up until now.


I see further down the road you change your mind when posting to Tactical. Funny how people speak out of both sides of their mouths within minutes isn't it?

No offense meant toward you personally.

[oldcoot]

45. For the record, Lynch was not the only POW to get the Bronze Star

Shoshana Johnson and the male captives, with the exception of Patrick Miller, all received the Bronze Star. Miller received the Silver Star. For a list of their medals, see: http://www.msnbc.com/news/945981.asp?0sl=-10 (If you do not want to read the whole transcript, go to page 4).

[TacticalPeek]

28. I'll sure cut Lynch some slack, and you should think about it, Boomer.

She and family were indubitably threatened, like many, with the power that 'national security' protectors invoke. Contrarian as I am, and not without prior scuffles, I know I can be silenced, especially when family are in the cross-hairs.

This link posted in another thread yesterday is about a Lt. Bill Burkett, who had qualms about scrubbing Shrubs's records.


http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/031903Burkett/031903burkett.html


March 19, 2003—I've sat in total grief for the past three years, watching the institutions of America being spent as if they were lottery winnings.

I don't want to say it, "But I told you so."

In January of 1998 and what seems like a full lifetime ago, I was stricken by a deadly case of meningoencephalitis. I was returning from a short duty trip to Panama as a team chief to inspect the hand over of Ft. Clayton to the Panamanians. I had been 'loaned' from the senior staff and state planning officer of the Texas National Guard to the Department of the Army for a series of these special projects after angering George W. Bush by refusing to falsify readiness information and reports; confronting a fraudulent funding scheme which kept 'ghost' soldiers on the books for additional funding, and refusing to alter official personnel records (of George W. Bush).

George W. Bush and his lieutenants were mad. They ordered that I not be accessed to emergency medical care services, healthcare benefits I earned by my official duty; and I was withheld from medical care for 154 days before I was withdrawn from Texas responsibility by the Department of the Army, by order of the White House.

more....

credit DoYouEverWonder

[Boomer]

32. Whoa, TP, your point is very well taken!

That's a pretty damning article, one of the most specific and chilling ones that I've read on George's infamous bad temper and desire for revenge.

You're quite right, if Lynch and her family were subject to even half that amount of "persuasion" it would be little wonder that she simply kept her mouth shut. She's young and poor, far less of an opponent than a career military officer.

It would be ironic, wouldn't it, that she might face greater dangers and worse treatment from the Bushies in the U.S. than she did in Iraq.

--Boomer

[TacticalPeek]

37. You said it, bro . . er, sis. : (

[Boomer]

38. Oh, and btw....

Thanks for your tactful approach to urging me to reconsider my position (which I did). Although I can be annoyingly mouthy at times, I am open to reasonable persuasion. :)

--Boomer

[TacticalPeek]

40. Y'elcome. I share the consternation over this,

but think the "die for the truth rather than live a lie" slogan is hollow unless the speaker is willing to interpose his life, fortune and honor to protect her from these animals. Then they get to test their slogan.

Of course, apologies to animals.

[ewagner]

47. ooops responded to wrong post! n/t

[oldcoot]

44. You are right about Bobby!

The idea that the best way to bring a woman "down a peg" is to humiliate her sexually is sexist and disturbing on so many levels. I wonder how Bobby would feel if some one did this to a female relative or loved one.

I suspect that the reason for all the venom is that we have seen so many conflicting stories about Lynch's rescue that it is hard to know what is or is not true. The Pentagon, the Iraqi doctors and nurses, and the Iraqi attorney have all told different stories. While some believe that the Pentagon is telling the truth, others believe the Iraqi doctors and nurses. Although it is important to acknowledge that the Pentagon's portrayal of "Lynch: Warrior Princess" is nonsense, it is equally important not to trivialize her experience. She was injured serving her country and was a prisoner of war. Yes, the Iraqis provided her with medical attention but they also provided the other survivors with medical care as well. She had no idea what was going to happen to her. I have no doubt that this was terrifying experience for Lynch as it would be for anyone else. I see no reason why she should not be allowed to tell her story.

[tlcandie]

54. Actually, the doctor treating her arranged an ambulance

to deliver her to Americans. It was all set up...date, time, place, etc., but the ambulance came under attack by US forces and turned back returning her to the hospital. Shortly after this attempt to get her home, she was STAGE rescued as there were no soldiers or guards at the hospital. No reason to ram down the door, fire weapons or anything of that matter. Hospital patients, some seriously ill, were handcuffed to the beds. There were either only 2 or 3 nurses in the whole hospital and Jessica was assigned one of the nurses as a private nurse! This woman said she became like a daughter to her and questioned when she could go home.

"War Spin" documents all of this and was shown on LINK TV 9/11/2003. It was recorded via my pvr at 9pm that evening. The nurse who cared for her and the doctor were interviewed in the Sadaam Hospital which was very nice and modern btw. :shrug:

[oldcoot]

56. This is what I heard

There were soldiers in the beginning but they left. One of the doctors was concerned that she might be transferred to another hospital and killed so he tried to return her to the United States. I had not heard about the private nurse.

I am surprised that the hospital was so nice. I would think that quality medical care would be difficult to obtain because of the sanctions and the various bombings. I wonder if this was the hospital that government officials and Iraqi elites were the most likely to use.

[tlcandie]

58. Yes, it was hte 'elite' hospital oldcoot.

And you are right that quality medical care was difficult to obtain, BUT the doctor and this nurse made sure she had the best of what they had and were able to offer! Taking one of the FEW nurses out of circulation for JUST her was quite a sacrifice IMO.

The way the story went, recalling from memory here, was that she had been asking a lot about when she could go home. The doctor contacted someone within US and made the arrangements for Jessica because of her concerns and worries about getting home. It appeared and looked to me that they were concerned for her piece of mind and health but not because she might be in immediate jepoardy. That isn't to say that someone at some point in time might not have seen her as a means to an evil end say for kidnapping or ransom or something and the doctor had thought of this. :shrug:

It was actually a pretty quickly done piece and very minimal compared to the rest of the documentary. Frankly, I was a bit disappointed, as I had thought it would be all about Jessica.

And I do believe that originally, there had been some soldiers around the hospital, but they had been a long time gone and any US intelligence officer could easily have discovered this w/o all the drama the doctor stated.

[brainshrub]

15. Paid to feign amnesia

These guys are sick, jealous wankers.
The real scandal here is that her "rescue" was a staged media event. I suspect he is being paid off to pretend she has amnesia.

[JI7]

16. the sun ? isn't that murdoch owned ?

don't believe it until i see it from more credible source.

[ewagner]

27. ooohhhh,...can I offer a tinfoil hat theory?

What if.....Jessica plans to get the whole, unvarnished truth out in her book.....

What if.....The Sun (and Murdoch) knew it would blow the cover off the Pentagon's fictional stories of the capture and rescue?

What if.....Naked pictures, or the threat of naked pictures are pre-emptive to keep the book on the pentagon's story line?

:tinfoilhat:

[JackSwift]

24. So she had some fun

and because she was nobody at this party, her little show would never get in front of her family. Alas. Cads.

[jiacinto]

25. Apologies to Jessica Lynch

and for the fact that unfortunately some people here don't respect the armed forces.

[hussar]

41. Here we go yet again

n/t

[Patriot_Spear]

42. Traditionally, an apology is an individual act...

Unless you are a head of state or church. Unproffered apologies are disengenuous at best and bad theatre at worst.

[ProfessorGAC]

43. Carlos, Could You Please Learn A New Song?

The Professor

[davidinalameda]

39. how pathetic

[Nottingham]

48. Well sounds like Bobby is looking for Money!

Women in the Military are under such terrible conditions.

I think Jessica being shot and almost killed kinda says she is a hero in my book!

:bounce:

[No Passaran]

53. she was never shot

she was injured in a vehicle accident that killed two other passengers.

I love all the soldiers and will always respect them. She's not a soldier anymore. How did she get her discharge papers so fast and why? Medical reasons? There are guys in my unit who were shot and had worse injuries but can never even dream of geting out because of this (army won't let you).

So I'm tired of this double standard. I visit the real heroes of this war every week (a memorial on my post). All 30 of them.

[tlcandie]

55. The LINK TV report confirmed that there were broken bones

and displaced ankle or something, but no stab or gunshot wounds. I referred to this TV special in another post earlier and I forgot to mention her injuries.

[LastDemInIdaho]

57. No wounded soldier needs this kind of crap

Smearing a soldier for crap like this is about as low as you can get. I refuse to read, see or ack any details concerning this bullshit.