US Soldier Killed in Attack: Troops Clash with Ex-Iraqi Soldiers

[GCP]

Sat October 4th 2003

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1511&e=1&u=/afp/20031004/wl_afp/iraq_us_031004105847

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Another US soldier was killed in an attack here and troops traded gunfire with former Iraqi servicemen seeking back pay, as fresh violence plagued a US occupation nearing the six-month mark.

The US military said two US soldiers were wounded in the clash with former Iraqi enlisted men, while medical sources said an Iraqi was killed and two dozen were hurt, two of them seriously in the exchange of fire.

Reports conflicted on who opened fire first.

The death toll among US forces rose further with a soldier from the 4th Infantry Division was killed and another wounded in a rocket-propelled grenade and small-arms fire attack in Baghdad late Friday, the military said.

More at link.

Fuck.

[GCP]

1. Kick

This shouldn't disappear, it's more Americans dead because of Bush, read and rate the article.

[GCP]

2. Kick

Damn, this is dying.

[saigon68]

3. Am sending it on

Every day one or two or three.

Useless. I have convinced a number of people who might have imbivalent or pro-War that this cluster fuck of the Chimpanzee must stop.

This is sad. And once again, points out the incompetence of general sanchez who never trained his troops properly.

And the CHIMPANZEE who brashly proclaimed "Bring Em On".

[GCP]

4. Thanks, I hate having to kick my own post like this

But it seems like nobody cares any more.

[leftchick]

5. I care marshallplan...

it is so hard to comment on the same horrible hell every day for the last 6 months of this insanity. I read about every death that is reported. Thanks and peace.....

[saigon68]

11. I Care

I see this going the way of my War. The parallels are almost eerie.
In Iraq the average person hates us, our religions and wants us out.

The big difference is that the news media is totally muzzled, because the people running the war (the generals, and Chicken Hawks) believe the press, made us LOSE Viet-Nam, because of the pictures and stories of children napalmed, guys shot in the head with their brains blown out and BODYBAGS///

If we had only sucked it up and acted like good Germans CA 1940-- we could have won in Viet-Nam and killed all the commie bastards by 1988 or so.

HOW MANY BODY BAGS HAVE YOU SEEN///??????

My posts here and my E-Mails to everyone I know are the equivalent of these BODYBAGS, no one is allowed to see anymore.

The litmus test is-- when you see a body bag and read of suffering and dying you will know we have a FREE PRESS.

[UpInArms]

12. saw this article in the Corpus Christi paper this morning

maybe this would wake up a few people

http://www.caller.com/ccct/state_texas_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_876_2320397,00.html

but then again...

[teryang]

15. Excellent comments!

Well said. The absence of photos is the proof of out and out censorship. Your analysis is spot on, as usual.

[leftchick]

6. wtf is this death about?

from the article....

< A US soldier also drowned in a Baghdad swimming pool early Friday, the military said, bringing to 98 the number of non-combat deaths over the same period >

How does the military explain this death to the loved ones?

[underpants]

7. DAMN! This doesn't sound like it was an ambush

The Iraqi were just there and things got out of control. Open warfare almost like a gunfight. DAMN!

[catmandu57]

9. 320

is the official count at lunaville. It seems like the deaths have increased exponentially this week. I'm wondering if they're covering up for that big fight, slipping in a casualty here and there.
Mashalplan, there is a core of Du'ers who are very concerned with the number of people dying in Iraq, not only americans, but all the people there. This is a great crime against humanity, someday all the henchmen will be called to account for it.

[alcuno]

17. This is the first one I've seen. A British suicide?

I just took a look and saw an article about a "non-hostile gunshot wound" involving a British soldier. There have been many apparent suicides over there. So sad.

http://www.pigstye.net/iraq/

[UpInArms]

8. I recall when the US disbanded the entire Iraqi army of

400,000 - sent them away - no pay - no jobs and with the knowledge that the Iraqis knew where weapons would be and the ability to use them against US forces -

I thought then - that is one of the most stupid decisions possible -- why couldn't we use the trained Iraqis - put them on the payroll - they speak the language, know the country and they would be valuable allies within Iraq -- but no - that would have been too easy

so now there we are - undermanned and overwhelmed by the people that hate us for destroying what was left of their pride and their country

now we have them rising up en masse against us

now we have more dead boys and girls (and that is what they are) for *'s oily war

no wmds, no justification, no support

I am so sorry :(

[bahrbearian]

16. All they wanted was back pay.. Yet Haliburton ...ect ect ..

[teryang]

10. This is a typical episode of cross cultural violence

...caused by ugly American syndrome. It is quite apart from a rocket grenade attack in character. But resentment quickly becomes resistance. Although futile in immediate character, it breeds more resistance fighters out of humiliation, resentment and a desire for revenge. This clumsy and bloody incident will be quickly forgotten by Americans. Was it even covered on television news? For Iraqis, its another Boston Tea Party.

American Army regular troops are too poorly trained and educated to administer a country. Only military police, civil affairs and perhaps intelligence personnel have anything near the training to interact with the population without causing unnecessary violence. Even they will be unsuccessful on occassions because of the broad language skills deficit in the Armed Forces. Given the fact that we don't have the infinite resources our corrupt leaders seem to imagine, one might say that it is virtually impossible to govern by anything less than brutal force when the occupation lacks moral and legal legitimacy.

The out and out organized violent resistance with grenade attacks and explosives won't end until we leave the country.

[teryang]

13. It looks like a similar incident in Basra

...resulted in the death of a British soldier, according to lunaville.

Total American casualties now up to 2043, wounded and dead.

[saigon68]

14. Excellent

Well thought out, and expands on what I was saying above from the perspective of the Iraqi people.

[bahrbearian]

18. Bush is an Evil Brutal Dictator and must be Removed from Power!