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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:42 AM
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Put Past to Rest, Hatch Says of Arnold
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Orrin Hatch says Arnold Schwarzenegger should not be judged on past improper advances towards women but as the devoted husband he is today, adding that the foreign-born GOP candidate for California governor also should have the opportunity to run for president under a constitutional amendment Hatch is pushing.

"We have to look at people who they are today, not what they may have done wrong in the past," Hatch told the National Press Club Friday. "There isn't a person in this room or anywhere else in the world who is perfect, who has lived perfectly."

The movie-star body builder stumped for Hatch's 1994 re-election campaign when he joined the Utah Republican at an awards ceremony at a Salt Lake City fitness equipment factory and taunted "hasta la vista, baby" to Hatch's Democratic challenger, Pat Shea. Shea said Schwarzenegger's appearance was offensive because of his movies' "terrible treatment of women" and found it "ironic that Hatch, who promotes himself as a true feminist, would bring one of the leading media promoters of misogyny to Utah."

(snip)

Hatch has introduced a resolution to amend the Constitution's ban on non-American-born presidents by allowing people who have been U.S. citizens for at least 20 years to be elected to the White House. While the measure was not introduced with Schwarzenegger in mind, Hatch said the Austrian-born superstar would be a perfect example of why the constitutional amendment is needed.

more…
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Oct/10042003/utah/98550.asp
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:43 AM
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1. Excuse me???????????
What a fucking hypocrite. This from the creep who constantly whined about President Clinton's past. Every day I hate Repukes more.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:46 AM
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2. Sign me up for a big fat
hell no!!!!!!!
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:59 AM
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6. makes me sick
"What a fucking hypocrite"

It's unbelievable how these guys change their tunes....they have no morals at all. I work with right wingers at work, they are the same way, they denouce it until it is one of their own, then it's time to move on
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:08 PM
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29. Isn't that the truth.
A braindead freeper moron where I work cooked up the excuse that it's ok for Arnold to grope women because (and I'm quoting verbatim) "He's European. That's the way they are over there."
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:16 PM
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31. Sexual battery is not a way of life in Europe!
Spill wine, coffee, or mezzo on somebody in Europe, even by accident, and you can plan on handing over cash on the spot. Europeans, Germans in particular, carry insurance to cover these kinds of accidents.

Assault someone, and you'll have the police on your ass, rapidly.

But let's get back to the real question: Is sexual assault the accepted way of life in the USA? If not, then why would any American excuse the behavior in others, no matter where they came from, let alone vote for such a person for political office?

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:15 AM
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11. An actual reporter might have asked
about that discrepency in his views.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:44 PM
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21. the year 2000 isn't that far in the PAST
seems alot of people thing everything he has done was way back in the 70s.. I've heard of accusations as recent as 2000.

why is this ok? He was married and a father in 2000.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:49 AM
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3. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND
Understand, Orrin, you f***ing little creep????
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:52 AM
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4. "hasta la vista, Arnold"
If the LA times printed lies about Arnold as Hatch thinks, then why did Arnold apologize?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:59 AM
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5. The Party of Principles
has been reduced to hoping a sexual predator with Nazi tendencie will save them with his pretty face and movie star appeal. Hatch is truly pathetic....I hope people realize soon that the Republicans have finally been outed as the morally bankrupt party with no interests other than the financial well-being of the criminals who run their shakedown operation.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:20 PM
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23. Uh, excuse me but..
Arnie doesn't have a pretty face. I don't think he's good looking at all but he's ok as long as he doesn't smile.

And you're right, Hatch is pathetic. That freaking hypocrite!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:06 AM
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7. Orin... did you say that about Clinton?
Didn't think so.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:09 AM
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8. ignorant hypocrite
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 11:11 AM by jmcgowanjm
How can you forgive a past that
hasn't been revealed?

How about a poll on % of CA
that knows Schwarzenegger:

friend of family Kurt Waldheim
"I love him."
FoFJorge Haider-Fascist Austria
"a very charismatic leader."
Father was a Brownshirt of Third Reich


Did OPRAH hear Arnold's Toast to Waldheim at their Wedding?
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/17_arnold.html

Is this the Best leader for CA?




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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:10 AM
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9. For someone who is so holier than thou
he sure likes to defend repug womanizers.

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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:13 AM
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10. Spoken like a real Mormon, Orrin
How would you like some dickhead to ask your daughter "Have you ever had a man's tongue up your ass?" I hope there's a special circle in hell for hypocrits.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:35 PM
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33. Considering LDS's polygamist roots, ever-present in Utah,
"Have you ever had a man's tongue up your ass?" is not necessarily unacceptable behavior in Mormon culture, explaining why Hatch is not repulsed by any of Arnold's reported behavior.

Hatch wants us to judge Arnie "as the devoted husband he is today," literally meaning "today," three days before the election (he probably groped somebody yesterday).

I'd bet the house that the Groper has had numerous adulterous affairs, some probably still going on, because, hey, in weight-lifting culture, it's considered a dead bore to be stuck sleeping with just the wife. Will Orrin be so forgiving once that information is leaked? Sure, he will.

Personally, I'm more interested in seeing how many more "Arnie outings" Maria can tolerate before dumping this schmuck (and I don't mean "jewel").




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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:16 AM
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12. Oh, and forget that $9B refund from Enron if it's Guv Ahnold
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 11:23 AM by jmcgowanjm
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:24 AM
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13. Yes, it has been almost a year
...since the last time he was caught groping anyone and it's well known he now has the probably relatively under control.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:28 AM
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14. Yeah, Right
Put the past to rest, kinda like the Repukes did with Clinton's college-era "I loathe the military" quote? Unbelievable.

These right-wingers who are supporting Ahnold and whimpering about Rush's situation better not try to lay any family values lectures on me in the future.....
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:29 AM
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15. Who said anything about "past" behavior?
Arnold still hasn't modified his behavior, if his recent movie promotion tour is any indication.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:41 AM
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18. Whap! 'Hey you hit me!' "That's now the past -- put it to rest."
Whap! 'Hey you hit me!' "That's now the past -- put it to rest."

Whap! 'Hey you hit me!' "That's now the past -- put it to rest."

Continue exercise until adequately aware of the problem.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:35 AM
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16. What if it had been your daughter, Orrin?
I'm sorry if I offend any of you guys out there but I get so steamed when men pooh pooh these types of actions against women. A little slap on the hand - or on the back - and the whole incident disappears. Kind of a wink wink nudge nudge thing.

And changing the constitution so Ahhhnie can run for President? Gimme a break. But then again, that means Jennifer Granholm and Teresa Heinz Kerry also become eligible. I can't see this happening any time soon.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:37 AM
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17. I doubt that Hatch is willing to put the past to rest with respect to ...
Clinton, even though Clinton is no longer in office. Yet Arnold is not even in office (yet, I'm afraid), but still a 'candidate.' This is precisely the most-important time to not put the past to rest, rather to ensure that the past gets a full and effective course of exercise. Arnold's past can always rest later, when it is not critical that it stay awake.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:43 AM
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20. May I remind you all
that the Whitewater non-scandal took place before Clinton was in office, and that the Repiggies still hired a special prosecutor, who, when he couldn't make criminal charges stick, went on a fishing expedition and found Clinton's statement under oath during the Paula Jones trial.

And Orrin was cheering Ken Starr on all the way.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:42 AM
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19. arnold a PERFECT EXAMPLE of why the CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE CHANGED?
senility creeps into orrin hatch's tiny little mind...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:25 PM
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24. Arnold is a bad. bad example, but the Constitution should be changed
and brought in line with constitutional requirements in industrialized countries were no such bar exists.

The reason that provision was in the Constitution was because the Framers feared that an English-born American would want to bring the US back under British rule.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:45 PM
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22. I'm speechless.
Unbelievable.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:44 PM
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25. so did Hatch plead for Karla Faye Tucker's life?
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 03:41 PM
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26. Here is what he had to say in 1998
http://www.legendinc.com/Pages/ArchivesCentral/COTDArchives/1998/122898.html

"I don't think any body would deny the statement that we probably don't have a two-thirds vote to convict the President," said Mr. Orin Hatch, speaking on the CBS News program, "Face The Nation." "Then it seems to me," he went on, "we're going to have to do what is the next best thing, and that is point out to the American people how really bad his actions were."

Notice he said "were" not are so the hypocrite is speaking of past issues which were all proven false anyway.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 03:47 PM
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27. fucking hypocrite
(short and to the point)

:eyes:
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:07 PM
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28. Ya gotta love how these Morman idiots excuse crimes against women
One doesn't need to ask how many women are General Authorities. Heck, it's only been a few years since blacks were allowed into the LDS church. Small wonder Hatch would vote for a pervert, mysogynist, pro-choice buffoon just to keep a Demo from being elected. That's just the way Mormons are.

LDS, probably one of the most ignorant churches on the planet.
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oxycontinrush Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:10 PM
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30. AGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I HATE HYPOCRITS! :puke:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:28 PM
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32. He WOULD say that...
No offense to current Mormons, if there are any here (I'm ex-Mormon), but this isn't really a surprise, when you consider the fact that Mormon churches in Nazi Germany hung swastikas in the church itself...

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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:05 PM
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34. bizarre
talk about the odd couple. I would like to say I really don't like orin hatch.........
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:12 PM
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35. Voters of Utah,
I DEMAND you do something about this man!

:-D

Seriously. Isn't there someone else you can
vote for?
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