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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:33 PM
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Survey Group head's link to arms industry
Survey Group head's link to arms industry

(independent.co.uk)

By Glen Rangwala
05 October 2003

For at least 10 years David Kay, head of the Iraq Survey Group, has staked his professional and business reputation on the case that Iraq was a serious threat.

He was a frequent pundit on US television shows, making the case for regime change in blunt language. He called the attempt by Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General, to broker an effective inspections process in 1998 "worse than useless"; claimed in 2002 that Iraq was pursuing its weapons of mass destruction in order to bring about the elimination of the state of Israel; and said before entering Iraq that the Coalition would find not just a "smoking gun", but a "smoking arsenal".

Until October last year, Mr Kay was the vice-president of a major San Diego-based defence contractor, Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), co-ordinating its homeland security and counter-terrorism initiatives. It was while he held this role that he claimed that Iraq could launch terrorist attacks on the US mainland...

-Lori Price

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fsbooks Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:47 PM
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1. and this man still has credibility in the US media?
and in the US government?
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:47 PM
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2. Thanks Lori. Your organization does awesome work!
And Rangwala is unimpeachable as a source.
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 12:30 AM
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4. Thank you very much!
:)-Lori
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 12:11 AM
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3. UH OH!!! Clark sat on board with SAIC dude and worked for DYNCORP...
it seems.


Here's the link.

Go down for the regional advisors to find the SAIC guys and Wesley Clark working together.

A Mr. Wesley Clark in 2001-2 represented Computer Sciences Corporation which OWNS DYNCORP and theyt are ALL getting into the voter machine business.

I discovered this while googling Clark and SAIC to see if there were connections. There ARE!!!


http://www.ndia.org/committees/space/index.cfm

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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 12:45 AM
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5. Link to discussion of Clark and SAIC/Dyncorp/CSC. Please comment
Edited on Sun Oct-05-03 12:49 AM by seventhson
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=473990

I expect the usual attacks. But I thought you all should weigh in on this question: Did Clark work for Dyncorp?

It sure looks like he did.

Dyncorp is WAY scary to me.

Another damn good reason to reject Clark as a democrat and as a candidate.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 01:03 AM
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6. WHAT???????????
Clark worked for DYNCORP? The ones taking part in Plan Columbia, for one? And he was involved with SAIC, the guys who have ties to the black boxers?

Jesus! Forget it - it's official, I don't trust Clark one iota.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 01:05 AM
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7. It's over. NO ONE can explain this away.
Look at this insanity!

CHAIR

Mr. Gayle C. White, Computer Sciences Corporation; gwhite22@csc.com
VICE CHAIR

Ed Swallow, Northrop Grumman
eswallow@spaceapps.com


Assistant to the Chair

M Gen George Douglas, USAF (Ret), Douglas & Associates
EASTERN REGIONAL VICE CHAIR

Dr. Supriya Ganguli, SAIC

CENTRAL REGIONAL CHAIR

Grover Hall

WESTERN REGIONAL VICE CHAIR

Christopher Harlambakis, The Boeing Company christopher.n.harlambakis@boeing.com

Members at Large
Mr. James R. Beale, SAIC
Ms. Ramona Boone, Northrop Grumman
Brig Gen J. Steve Boone, Northrop Grumman TASC
Mr. Wesley Clark, Computer Sciences Corp.
Mr. George Douglas, Douglas Associates/UTC
Vice Adm David Frost
Dr. Supriya B. Ganguli Ph.D, SAIC
Mr. Dennis Granato, Northrop Grumman
Mr. Grover W. Hall, Martin Marietta Astronautics
Mr. Donald G. Hard
Mr. Christopher N. Harlambakis, The Boeing Company
Mr. Phillip K. Heacock, Harris Corporation
Mr. Larry Hungerford, Lockheed Martin
Mr. Owen E. Jensen, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Mr. Wayne Kauffman, Spectrum Astro
Lt Gen Jay Kelley, Lockheed Martin
Ms. Carolyn Kwieraga, Northrop Grumman TASC
Mr. David A. Messner, General Dynamics
Mr. Thomas Parkingson, Boeing
Mr. Elliott Pulham
Mr. John Reynolds, TRW
Mr. Richard A. Riegel, DIRECTOR NDIA
Mr. John H. Rixse Emergent East
Mr. Robert A. Rosenberg, SAIC
Mr. Thomas Scanlan Jr., Lockheed Martin Astronautics
Mr. Edward Swallow, Emergent East
BGen Earl S. Van Inwegen, TRW
Mr. Gayle C. White, CHAIR, Computer Sciences Corporation

Clark's been involved with these people? Hell no, he ain't trustworthy. FUCK that.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 01:26 AM
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8. Get a grip. Wrong Wesley Clark
Edited on Sun Oct-05-03 01:30 AM by NNN0LHI
General Clark was in Vietnam getting his ass shot off while this Clark was building computers at MIT. Don

http://www.ncrr.nih.gov/newspub/apr02rpt/stories1.asp

Back in the 1950s, computers were like castles on the hill—large, expensive, and very mysterious. Since most biomedical scientists could not afford their own computers, they often shared a central computer and sometimes waited a day or so to get the results. Today, of course, small computers are found in practically every laboratory in the country, where they have revolutionized biomedical science. Researchers now routinely use computers to analyze experimental results and to perform such esoteric functions as viewing three-dimensional (3-D) models of complex molecules and “touching” chromosomes and viruses in virtual reality. Early NCRR support proved instrumental in transforming computers into a useful tool for the biomedical scientist.

It all started in 1961 when Wesley Clark, an electrical engineer at Lincoln Laboratory at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), designed a small computer for a brain researcher at MIT. Clark wanted his computer to be easy to program, easy to communicate with while it was operating, and able to process biological signals directly. At the time, no computer came close to fulfilling these criteria. Clark also wanted his machine to be short enough to see over and affordable enough for the typical university laboratory.

In 1962, Clark and his colleague, Dr. Charles Molnar, built a working model of the computer, using existing electronic modules rather than building new circuits. They dubbed their creation LINC, partly as a bow to Lincoln Laboratory and partly as a pun alluding to how the user could link closely to the machine. LINC was about the size of a refrigerator and used recording tapes that were small enough to fit in a jacket pocket, another revolutionary concept for the time.

With $400,000 in seed money from NCRR—and similar sums contributed by the National Institute of Mental Health and NASA—Clark and Molnar launched a plan to offer free LINCs to biomedical scientists. In exchange, researchers had to spend a summer building their own computers in a learning workshop and then evaluating them in their laboratories. Eventually 12 LINCs were built at the workshop, and users quickly discovered that the computers enabled more rapid and efficient execution of experiments. Also, LINC allowed users to fine-tune ongoing experiments, reformulating hypotheses “on the fly” as data accumulated. The LINC development team eventually relocated to Washington University in St. Louis, where, with Dr. Jerome Cox, Jr., they established the Resource for Biomedical Computing, funded by NCRR from 1964 to 1997.

more

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 01:45 AM
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10. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.
Well, my face is red. Thank you for reminding me the waste of haste.

I must confess, however, that my earlier qualms about Clark remain, since they were not based on this. However, I appreciate your reply, thanks for setting me straight on this.

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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 02:29 AM
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14. Don't be so quick to concede this. The evidence is not all in.
There is NOTHING posted to say the MIT guy is the same as the CSC guy.

No need for being red-faced.

I am seeking answers not claiming this is definitively accurate.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 07:58 AM
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16. Not the Wrong Wesley Clark.
This statement is without any real basis in fact


The fact that you cite no connection to CSC tells me that you have NO idea whether this is candidate Clark OR NOT
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 01:42 AM
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9. It seems as though you are wrong seventhson n/t
Edited on Sun Oct-05-03 01:43 AM by NNN0LHI
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 02:07 AM
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11. There is NO evidence YET that the CSC Clark is the same as the MIT Clark
When that is established then I will agree with you.

However = there is no PROOF either way and is wghy I posted this in the form of a question.

If the Wesley Clark listed on the advisory board is CANDIDATE Clark we need to know. If it is not, then my original question is answered.

Until someone presents evidence that the CSC Clark is NOT the candidate - THEN my question will be answered.

Just because there is a computer scientist named Wesley Clark this does NOT prove he works for CSC/Dyncorp.


Don't be too hasty either way.

Clark's associations with the Stepens Group and the MPRI is bad enough and puts him in a situation where representing Dyncorp MAY have been in his bailiwick.

The Jury is still out.

Any MORE???
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 02:15 AM
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12. Seeing you are the one who pointed this out I would say it would...
Edited on Sun Oct-05-03 02:26 AM by NNN0LHI
...be up to you to do the research to back up your claim. If I started researching every random idea that someone on DU suggests that is all I would be doing. Happy Googling.

Don

Edit: And when you find something. Post it to the second thread you started today on this subject in the GD forum so as we do not hijack Lori Price CLG thread any more than we have already. OK?

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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 02:27 AM
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13. I could just use a little help - as the corporate shell game is tough...
to crack.

Clark worked for the Stephens group which has tiers to another company called CSC (but apparently NOT the same CSC - I am not sure)

But to dismiss it without more info would be foolish.

But hey if I am wrong I will admit it. The facts are not all in yet and the "evidence" presented in opposition is not yet too claer at all.

It MAY well be the same WESLEY Clark as the candidate.

Let's find out and not dismiss it too easily.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 03:10 AM
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15. ODD - a search of the CSC site shows no Wesley Clark ANYWHERE
nothing to see. Move along

NOT


Something is funny about this.

CLEARLY a Wesley Clark is listed as representing CSC on the advisory board. CSC bought DYNCORP.

Isn't it strange that NOWHERE else can one find WHO this Wesley Clark from CSC is???


I STILL think it is candidate Clark.

Y'all can ignore it at your peril


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