Actor envisions economic revolution Lower taxes, fewer regulations at hear

[jamesinca]

Actor envisions economic revolution
Lower taxes, fewer regulations at heart of plan

Sam Zuckerman, Chronicle Economics Writer Sunday, October 5, 2003

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Gubernatorial front-runner Arnold Schwarzenegger is proposing nothing less than a Reagan Revolution for California's economy.

The five-point economic plan recently released by the Schwarzenegger campaign is a manifesto embracing a market-oriented, pro-business stand in areas ranging from the state budget to regulatory policy. Its central vision is a promise of lower taxes, lower spending and less intrusive government.

In that way, analysts say, the man who hopes to unseat Gov. Gray Davis in Tuesday's recall election is no get-along, pragmatic conservative in the mold of former Gov. Pete Wilson. Instead, he hopes to shift California's economic policies dramatically to the right, similar to the transformation that took place at the national level two decades ago under President Ronald Reagan.


"This represents a conservative agenda," said Los Angeles economic consultant Donald Straszheim. "We have had a liberal governor and a liberal Legislature, and now the fireworks are going to start." Reactions to Schwarzenegger's proposals are colored by ideology and party affiliation.

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[soupkitchen]

1. I think he should propose a Grope Tax for California

That way he could balance the budget out of his own pocket

[Democrats unite]

2. The normal Republican speach

Lies, lies, lies.

[HawkerHurricane]

3. Great!

He can do for the California deficit what Reagan did for the US deficit.
The Replutocans want to recall Davis for letting the CA deficit hit 30 Billion, and Arnie announces a plan that will make it hit the trillions mark, so of course they're behind him...

[punpirate]

4. Uh, California...

... watch out, huh? Remember what Reagan did with the national budget....

[sam sarrha]

5. only hope is to divide the state into 3 states,cut LA lose, over 70% of

taxes collected goes to LA County. the local perspectives on government vary dramatically from North to south... there could be civil war when the Fascists from the south start imposing their hardliner Zero tolerance and throw them all in jail "less intrusive government".

[HawkerHurricane]

9. Given that LA has 70% of the population

there is no surprise that 70% of the tax money goes there.

The rules are simple: we send our money north, you send your water south.

[sam sarrha]

18. LA is 1/3 the population of Calif and i believe that they get 76% of the

taxes.

[Guaranteed]

20. CA has 35 million people.

Are you telling me LA has 24.5 million people?

[jamesinca]

26. The last I heard was several million

The entire L.A. area, this includes Long Beach etc.. has like 14 million people. That is just about 45% of the state population. When you throw in San Diego and everything south of the grape vine you get about 60% of the states population. The other 40% lives in the northern 2/3 of the state. You are also looking at watering a desert and keeping it inhabited by people and that is costly. The actual city of L.A. I believe has 6-7 million people in it.

[PurityOfEssence]

27. The L.A. metro area is 16.4 Million people; half of the state's population

Don't let the statistics about "the City of Los Angeles" fool you; there are 88 incorporated cities in Los Angeles County alone, and there are many populated areas of unincorporated county.

The metro area quoted here is L.A., Orange and Riverside Counties. It does NOT include "The Inland Empire" of San Bernardino County or Ventura County.

Sitting here in Hollywood, there are as many people within 60 miles of where I am as there are in the continent of Australia.

[jamesinca]

28. I was close, I know ther is a lot there

I know there are about 2/3 of the population in the souther 1/3 of the state. That is a ballpark estimate, but it has stayed roughly that way for at least the last 10 years I think.

[Merlin]

31. Awesome thought. n/t

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[evworldeditor]

6. They forgot the most important part of the plan....

Wishful thinking!

Let's see... Californians can turn to home schooling instead of funding their education system. They can impose a paving moratorium so no more money is spent building freeways and streets.... They can stop providing services to illegal aliens.... and everyone go out into the Central Valley and pick their own fruits and vegetables, mow their own lawns and clean their own homes and offices...

Gee.... on second thought, maybe this isn't such a bad idea afterall.
Sounds like the core of a real economic revolution in California to me.... maybe this is what Arnold has in mind.

;-)

[Champion Jack]

7. I guess Ahhnuld doesn't remember that taxes went up

15% a year when Raygun was gov.

[teryang]

8. Actor will settle Enron energy swindle suit for a dollar.

I'm sure everyone (except the corporate media) has heard the Palast bombshell by now but just in case:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=472596

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=283&row=0

Arnold Unplugged - It's hasta la vista to $9 billion if the Governator is selected
Friday, October 3, 2003
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<The wannabe governor has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001, at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he had consensual political intercourse with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay. Also frolicking with Arnold and Ken was convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.>

<Now, thirty-four pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come through this reporter's fax machine tell all about the tryst between Maria's husband and the corporate con men. It turns out that Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in illicit profits they carried off.>

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=283&row=0

[punpirate]

10. Been thinking about something else along these lines....

There's been some talk in both the auto industry and in Congress about attempts to undo California's tighter emissions standards at the manufacturers' level--essentially do away with 49-state and California models. This might be part of that deregulation scheme of his.

I suspect Arnie's been having meetings with more people than just the energy suppliers.

Cheers.

[teryang]

17. Could you imagine the air quality?

It's all part of the program.

[jamesinca]

30. Davis has been fighting with the Auto industry for some time

He tried to get low emission/alternative/hybrid vehicles in place as the states fleet. The auto industry said no. Davis has also said that the particulate matter of eissions must be decreased in CA. The auto industry has said that the state can not set MPG standards. Davis has countered with emissions, not MPG; hence cleaner vehicles. The auto industry has fought him every step of the way on environmentaly friendly vehicles. No wonder D.C. needs Davis recalled.

[even]

11. This vision,

does it have a nice butt and huge breasts? Pattable and squeezable? Is CA. the next plaything.

This freak makes me so mad!

[jamesinca]

12. he has a vision of raping CA

It fits into his MO.

Even, welcome to the DU

[Snellius]

13. What happened to paying the $38 deficit?

Arnold is living in a complete fantasy land. Reagan didn't start out that far in the whole. Besides Reagan wasn't elected for his business conservatism as much as for calling the students demonstrating in Berkeley against the war "stormtroopers."

[bleedingheart]

14. Wasn't energy deregulation what helped cause CA's problems?

just like a repuke to insist on more of the same bad policy to help stir the pot more..

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. I hope there has been plenty of coverage of his impossible plans

to cut taxes without cutting spending on education. It took the BBC about 30 seconds this morning to prove that he couldn't even add up.

This is of course the most urgent reason for not electing him.

And yet the headlines I see (from the UK) are all about groping and Hitler. Has this election been rigged by the media? Or is it the fault of the voters for not enquiring more - are they about to get the candidate they deserve?

[CBHagman]

41. The news is about entertainment in this country, not substance

The boorish Austrian has name recognition, a scary set of choppers, a Kennedy/TV news wife; draws fans who are stuck in the movie fantasies, supporters who are plutocrats; and makes for a good front-page photo. He opens his campaign on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno."

It has virtually nothing to do with reality, everything to do with keeping entertained and selling those magazines and newspapers. I live on the EAST COAST, for crying out loud, and my local pharmacy had some puff magazine featuring Arnold waving an American flag! I was so put off I almost complained to the store management. I still mean to find out which publisher decided to squeeze a few more bucks out of the California insanity.

[gristy]

16. This paragraph from the Chronicle article says it all

The five-point economic plan recently released by the Schwarzenegger campaign is a manifesto embracing a market-oriented, pro-business stand in areas ranging from the state budget to regulatory policy. Its central vision is a promise of lower taxes, lower spending and less intrusive government.

The possibility of a stolen election notwithstanding, if Ahnold wins, CA will indeed get the government (or lack of it, if Ahnold ultimately achieves his goals) that they deserve.

[shanti]

19. would you knock it off

with that "california will get what they deserve" crap? americans didn't elect chimpy, do we deserve what we are getting???

[Guaranteed]

21. Arnie elected with 35% of the vote?

The voters don't deserve that crap.

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Thank you!

Two phrases I really hate! "get what we deserve" and "get over it". Californians along with the MAJORITY of Americans are getting what we clearly DON'T deserve, with this bunch of election stealing, change the rules to suit them, slimy repukes! How long will it take for Californians to recall the Groper, if he does win?

[donotpassgo]

42. SO IF REPUBLICANS SAY THE RECALL IS "the voice of the people"

Will the Recall of the Terminator be the voice of the people as well?

[realFedUp]

22. While Pete Wilson's in the back room...

Arnold will be facing women in court.

[Fenris]

23. HELLO? WE'VE ALREADY HAD THAT REVOLUTION

How do you think we GOT here.

[paulk]

24. Great!!! And when California's economy COMPLETELY tanks

even more right wing assholes from Orange County will move here to Denver!

Thanks a lot, Arnold.

[Jack The Tab]

36. When it tanks, they'll continue to blame Davis...

Fucking Repukes make me want to retch.,

[dolstein]

25. The first step to balancing the budget: CUT TAXES!!

Now where have I heard this before? And when has it ever worked?

[fshrink]

29. When politics becomes a show who better

than an actor to run it? In the same movement, content has become irrelevant since media can spin it any way you want it.

[Merlin]

32. Same old plan to defund the left, masquerading as a stimulus package.

It's the same plan Reagan innaugurated with the assertion "Government is not the solution; government is the problem!" Same plan Gingrich advanced while saying privately his goal was to "defund the left."

The myth proclaimed is:
Taxes are too high. If we cut them, and cut government social services, and "deregulate" business, then an economic boom will occur producing enough revenue to government to make up for the intervening deficits.

It is pure pie-in-the-sky, unadulterated bullshit. Its premise is false. Its promise is fanciful.

But we on the left have never adequately debunked that myth. We have never addressed it head on and given it the public hanging it so richly deserves.

Until we take this fable on and debate it publicly, and prove it to be nonsense, then one after another wolf in sheep's clothing on the right will come along to extoll it to an easily fooled electorate.

We have got to deal with this issue once and for all.

[rocktivity]

33. Did the Regan Revolution work in California?

I distinctly remembering failing on a national scale.


rocknation

[kskiska]

34. Gray Davis has pointed out that many of Arnold's plans

cannot be implemented by him. Things such as car taxes are local. Arnold doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.

[Kanola]

35. If Robot wins, The Dem majority legislature is waiting for him

From analyses that I have read,if he wins, his honeymoon period will be short and he will not be able to push whatever agenda he has/has not (?) been talking about (?) on his campaign trail.

The questions other than this article, are for the empty air rhetoric that Robot blown out of his ass. "I going to clean house" " I am going to terminate things" I mean WTF???????


He is not going to have an easy time in CA pushing a RW Reagan revolution in this legislature. Hopefully, his delusions of granduer will dissipate quite quickly when reality kicks in working with the CA legislature.

[jamesinca]

37. He would have until 10/12/03 to do it

All government business is to be finished by then, this would give him 3 1/2 days to destroy the state before he had to put anything up in front of the legislature. If he wins, he will not be swornin until 12:00 noon on 10/8/03. It would be a blistering speed of bill reversal to avoid a vote in the congress.

[Jack The Tab]

38. I think they just want him in so they can tout the (R) beside his name...

at the Repuke convention in 2004.

These people, so willing to overlook chimpy's alcoholism and drug use, his business failures...

and now, so willing to overlook a certified sexual predator and fascist sympathizer...

It's absolutely unbelievable. But I still hold out hope. I don't think the guy is gonna get elected.

[hunter]

40. I envision pitbulls nipping at Arnold's ass.

If Arnold wins he'll be so busy scrambling around looking for a tree to hide in he won't accomplish anything. Unfortunately it will be our job to clean up his mess.