Beijing confirms its opposition to Japan on Security Council

[dArKeR]

China on Thursday confirmed that it will block any move to give Japan, India, Brazil and Germany permanent seats in an enlarged UN Security Council.

"This is a dangerous move and certainly China will oppose it," China's UN ambassador Wang Guangya (???) told reporters at UN headquarters in New York. "It will split the house and destroy the unity and also derail the whole process of discussion on big UN reforms."

But Japan yesterday said that it still hoped to persuade China to accept a historic expansion of the Security Council on its terms.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/06/04/2003257855

[still_one]

1. why should Japan be on the security council?

Please remember the U.N. was formed from the ashes of World War II, and one of the countries who started World War II was Japan?

[Art_from_Ark]

2. The war has been over for nearly 60 years

Japan's record on human rights since then is far better than China's. So why should China be sitting on the Security Council?

[still_one]

4. really, they WWII deniers of what they did to China in WWII

Their history books DISTORT THE RAPE OF NANKING

DO YOU HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT THERE BIOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTS WITH BUBONIC PLAUGE ON THE CHINESE?

Have you been to China, do you know its history? Do you know what the west and Japan did to them?

They have a temporary status, and that is how it should be. They should NOT be made permanent, and neither should Germany. It would be a terrible insult to the MILLIONS WHO DIED AT THEIR HANDS.

It is easy to be forgiving if you were NOT affected

[K-W]

5. US history books are full of distortions and lies too,

hardly a sign that we are still a threat. Although we are far more of a threat than Japan at the moment.

[still_one]

8. that is no reason to make them permanent members on the security council

They do NOT merit that. Over 60 MILLION PEOPLE DIED in world war II, and Japan was a major factor. MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE were civillians

[K-W]

10. They deserve it as much as the US, Britain, France, China or Russia

You keep arguing that Japan shouldnt be on it because they have committed atrocities when EVERY single member of the Security council has a storied history of atrocities.

Japan deserves it because the tyranny of the Post WW2 Powers should end.

[still_one]

12. if it wasn't because of the US, Britain,France, China, and Russian

I wouldn't have any family today

sorry there is a difference

[K-W]

13. No there isnt a difference now, there WAS a difference.

We can go through the history all we want, it doesnt matter. This isnt WW2, it is 2005 and you are clearly holding a grudge against a country.

[still_one]

15. Read the book

"The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang

http://www.irischang.net/

[K-W]

16. All security council nations have committed horrible atrocities,

so you dont have a point. The US just illegally invaded Iraq a couple of years ago for goodness sake.

You are also completely ignoring the fact that the Japanese government that committed those crimes, was defeated and tried criminally. Your holding a grudge against the Japanese for the fact that your ancestors happened to be threatned by them instead of the US, France, Britain, or Russia, is understable but obviously irrational.

Nobodies saying we give Japan an award for being great, we just give them the same status as the other horrible blood stained nations that make up the security council because it behooves the mission of world peace to not have 5 nations controlling the world.

[still_one]

18. No, not just Japan, Germany also

let's see how well the "Greatest Generation" would take Germany and Japan on the UN security council

The U.S. has NEVER done anything of that magnitude

Incidently, not only was the US illegal by invading Iraq the second time, but they also created the situation the first time we went in there. April Glaspie, then Ambassador to Iraq under bush I, pretty much told saddam hussein that we would do nothing if they invaded Kuwait because of oil boundary disputes

[Kellanved]

17. an insult?

I respect that opinion, but I can't help feeling insulted by blanket statements. The Nazis left the international community; Germany seeking a bigger role in it is the very undoing of the Nazi's goals.
The German guilt will neither be forgotten nor forgiven by such a move; passed generations have blurred the line between "victims" and perpetrators.

[still_one]

19. really, it is already being forgotten

in fact we may be seeing the emergence of it occurring right here in its infancy

[Kellanved]

20. I don't think history is repeating itself;

The obvious issue is, that two of the top three payers for the UN are not represented accordingly at the moment - that's a condition bound to cause resentments in the long run. The same goes for two of the world's biggest countries.

The UN relies heavily on those four countries; the SC seats do change little in that matter. With current Security Council members voicing their anti-UN intend/ not paying their part of the bill, the question rises, why countries pro-UN shouldn't be allowed to carry more responsibility.

I do see a moral value in keeping Germany/Japan out on historic reasons; but I doubt that theses are the reasons driving the US and China in their position.

[still_one]

22. I think the U.S. is pushing Japan into the SC to counter China

My reason in keeping Germany/Japan out as permanent members, NOT temporary, is pretty much the same as yours

If Germany and Japan are ever allowed to be permanent members, they should at least wait until the generation from World War II is gone. There are too many wounds

[dArKeR]

3. From my travels, Japanese "normal" people would be on the top of my

list as honest, moral, compassionate, honorable, eviornmental conscious. But then politicians and corporate whores are another thing. As long as the Japanese stand up and the people's voices are heard.

Look at the USA. Most people are very good but we still can't control the Satan Beast in America. The current GOP is the most corrupt lying murdering feces that has ever existed in America.

As a rule-of-thumb, men are sucking sleaze bag lying whores in just about every country and women are wonderful, friendly, moral, kind, honest... Japan is sort of an exception. The girls are FANTASTIC!

[still_one]

6. Sorry, but the millions that died in world war II cannot be forgotten

they have temporary status, and that is the way it should be

REMEBER THE RAPE OF NANKING!!!

most people would like you not to know anything about it

[K-W]

7. Why on earth do you think WW2 has anything to do with this?

As if any nation on the Security council right now has clean hands.

Sheesh.

[still_one]

9. let's see

the united nations was created because of world war II

one of the nations responsible for world war II was Japan

if you cannot see the link, then those people who died and suffered in world war II are irrelevant

[K-W]

11. I can see the link, the link just doesnt back your argument up.

The fact that Japan was the aggressor in WW2 has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the current geopolitical order. The UN was created as a response to World War, not as an organization to oppress the Japanese, but as a tool for international cooperation.

Meanwhile the US has committed atrocities over and over again since WW2 and remains on the security council. There is nothing that makes Japan less deserving than any of the other permanant members.

[still_one]

14. we are NOT going to convience each other, so let's leave it at that

Yes, the US has committed atrocities, but nothing like what happened in WWII.

[Tradnor]

23. Oh yeah?

Genocide of Native Americans? Slavery? Nuclear bombs killing millions of civilians? Medical experiments conducted by the government on black people without their knowledge or consent? Forced internment of American citizens?

[bpilgrim]

24. we NUKED a DEFEATED try'n to surrender nation's CITIES CIVILIAN POPULATION

TWICE, are now EXECUTING imperial japan's plan from 60 years ago of bringing PEACE PROSPERITY and SECURITY to the ME and we're STILL on it.

FALLUJAH == OUR NANKING

psst... pass the word

peace

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[bpilgrim]

25. THANKS MODS

:toast:

peace

[fujiyama]

26. Why is China on the SC?

In fact why the hell does the SC exist in the first place? So five elite nations can dictate to the rest of the world how to run things? Fuck that. Talk about an undemocratic institution.

How come India isn't on it, event though it's the largest Democracy on earth? It is projected to have a larger population than China soon anyways. As it is, it has almost a fifth of the world's population. What about Brazil? Why doesn't the continent of south America have ANY representation? What about Australia? They also have a better record than China.

Fuck the Chinese communists and their pseudo-communist/fascist dictatorship.