Biden: U.S. troops should not leave Iraq:-

[bemildred]

An addition to the Biden-a-thon. The disbanding of the Army
is now the excuse for not being able to leave.

Sen. Joseph Biden, who recently returned from visiting Iraq, said Sunday a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq would be a big mistake.

And if we leave now, I guarantee you there will be a civil war, which a lot of our folks are worrying about now anyway, said Biden, D-Del., said on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos. We made a giant mistake in the beginning over the objection of a number from both parties."

---

And the bottom line is, there are very few Iraq -- there's 107 battalions that have been trained out there in uniform, but only three -- three -- are fully operational, and 23 are close to operational, said Biden.

It's bizarre to suggest the Iraqis can train themselves. They cannot. They have the capability of being trained. They have the capability of defending their own country. But it's going to take time.

WebIndia

[OldLeftieLawyer]

1. OK

OldLeftieLawyer is gonna go scream herself to death now.

Thank you, all you wonderful DU people - you really are angels and keepers of the light.

OldLeftieLawyer will be waiting for you all on The Other Side.

[Imagevision]

25. Biden brilliant deduction --Powell -"We broke it - we own it"

We need another administration in Washington to turn this phoney war around with minimal amount of... "US. Sacrifices"

Biden's true colors are beginning to emerdge, I used to think he was pretty sharp, but in the end, it's politics as usual which makes me want to puke!!

[IndianaGreen]

60. "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake? ...

This is more of the thinking that kept us in Vietnam for so many years! A moron neolib like Biden cannot be expected to understand the meaning of: WE LOST THE WAR!

Perhaps Biden should read Kerry's testimony to Congress back in the 1970s:

"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake? ...

[David Zephyr]

74. Absolutely.

And to think that people within the Democratic Party leadership have the audacity to criticize Howard Dean when there are corporate whoring, chicken-hawks like Joe Biden shooting off their mouths.

[VegasWolf]

79. Biden hasn't gotten the memo that we lost the war in Iraq. n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

65. I have a better idea

We keep you here, but we send every admin official and congressman who supported/instigated this war to Iraq with WW-II flak vests and muskets and let THEM train the Iraqi soldiers to defend the country.

[Triana]

2. It's too damn bad the Democratic Party...

...cannot oust Biden, Liebermann, and Zell Miller. These guys all ought to be expunged, evicted, spat out like rancid meat, from our party.

They're a disgrace.

[saigon68]

9. Biden is another disgrace He is scum.

He is like LimpMan----- Republican Light. He's also a Liar and a Perjurer

[TahitiNut]

19. Well, those hair plugs damaged his brain.

:silly:

[Triana]

22. Hahaaaaaaaa!

He'd have to have a brain first. :evilgrin: Maybe the hair plugs are his brain and that's the problem.

[ElectroPrincess]

34. You got that right ...

But Biden has also signed on to a number of PNAC letters. I wonder if he has any of his wealth invested in the military-industrial corporations who are making a killing <pun intended on so many unfortunate levels> off of the backs of our troops?

Yes, since when was Biden deemed to be the Democratic spokesman? Why is it ever sentence HE (vice Dean) utters is quoted in the corporate media? You don't think that he is doing all this on purpose to "soften the blow" to us poor dumb sheeple?

Oust Biden. Let's remember this and support his opponent even though we may not live in Delaware.

Biden is Scum? Again - you got that right! ;)

[paulk]

47. do you have a link to these PNAC letters Biden signed?

I'd really be interested in seeing that.

[magellan]

63. Here you go, paulk

I only found one letter on the PNAC site that Biden put his name to, the one where they chastise Russia to the EU/NATO for backsliding on democracy. Which I'm sure meant a great deal, coming from the neocons.

An Open Letter to the Heads of State and Government Of the European Union and NATO

[paulk]

67. well, that document is hardly in support of the PNAC agenda

still - disappointing to see any Democrat associating with them.

[candy331]

55. Triana, you said it best, I agree wholeheartedly. I am looking for

alternatives to these people and their corporate ownership very soon as I feel the masses are slowly coming awake.

[Triana]

58. We can't afford any more...

'Democratic Lite' or 'Republican Lite' morons (they're the same thing, aren't they)?

This country is going down the tubes a hundred miles a minute and they're sitting there bonking each other over the head over stupid shit and playing kissy-face with the Repuke/nazis. INSUFFERABLE morons!

:mad:

UNbelievable. This is not the time for playground swipes at fellow Dems or sharing pink panties with 21st Century Nazis who took over this country in 2000 and have had a stranglehold on it since. These are supposed to be adults, aren't they? Or, did we start electing 5-year olds to office? Some days I wonder.

They need to get their minds off what Howard Dean said that they want to nitpick about, and start worrying about what the f*ck we're going to do about the Iraq mess Junior Nazi created out of sheer LIES, poverty, unemployment, our jobs bleeding overseas for $2/hour labor, no healthcare, social security, etc. etc.

:wtf:

[Az_lefty]

3. Iraq is a total disaster...

Bush has to be held accountable for this mess.
:mad:

[Sandpiper]

4. So the alternative is

We stay in Iraq until they all start liking each other.


:( :rofl: :banghead:

[cthrumatrix]

6. well...he can't come out and say "look...we are buliding bases over there"

"so don't expect the US to leave anytime soon"...this way he soothes all the dems into thinking he has a "spine".

[barb162]

43. yeah till about 4010 A.D.

[MichiDem]

5. I agree with Joe

as stupid as it was to go there in the first place it would be even more stupid just to pull out now.

[Benhurst]

8. Yeah, let's wait until all the Iraqi patriots get their act together

and kick us out.

I just don't understand why the Iraqis resent our blowing up their country, killing them, stealing their oil, and setting up permanent military bases. We wouldn't mind if someone did that to us.

[Lerkfish]

12. does it occur to you WE are the reason for the insurgency?

if we leave, no more reason?

nah, couldn't be that simple, right? Remove the tyrannical occupiers in order to work towards peace...we can't do that, NOT before we get all their oil, right?

[leesa]

15. Wrong. WE are the bad guys. There is NOTHING our presence

will do to make things better in Iraq. WE are the problem.

[MichiDem]

29. Can you tell me of a single senator

Make that Democratic Senator that is in favor of an immediate pull out? (please provide a link)

[reprobate]

17. Please name any military force that's ever beaten an insurgency.

Viet Nam? no.

Algeria? no.

Anyone else?

In fact, as chairman mao said, no military force can beat an insurgency when they have the support of the people.

Did you note that we disbanded an entire iraqi police unit that refused to train with our troops because they were afraid the locals would kill them for siding with us?

Yeah, iraq is going real well!

[MichiDem]

28. Did I say this?!

"Yeah, iraq is going real well!"

NO

[Jacobin]

21. Why do you think Iraqis will ever legitimately join the Iraqi

military force to prop up what they perceive to be a puppet government that is not their own government?

The elections were a fraud and a sham.

This is the same crap that happened in Viet Nam, EXACTLY.

Unwinnable, hopeless catastrophic clusterfuck. There is no good way in or out. It's a disaster either way.

I say get out and let them sort it out. It IS their country after all. We invaded illegally and have no right to be there.

[Jack Rabbit]

7. So, what's the excuse when a civil war breaks before US troops leave?

It is a valid question whether that has already happened.

[MisterP]

13. oh, they'll find something: as Barry Lopez said,

"The justifications are endless."

[ozymandius]

18. Exactly.

There's a civil war brewing right now. What happens when it gets really hot and U.S. troops are there anyway?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

35. WE ARE THE CIVIL WAR

There's no civil war - there's Iraqis killing Americans who invaded their country.

Gee, strife in a Middle Eastern country. How quaint. Amazing that it took the American attack and invasion to introduce such a concept to Iraq.

We get out, and we get out now. Shamed and humiliated, George Bush resigns in disgrace, and I'm the Queen of France.

[KittyWampus]

76. Civil War? LOL! DU'ers Were ADAMANT There Was No Capacity F/Civil War

in Iraq. There were posters who provided link after link to sources saying there was going to be no civil war... that was all a bunch of hooey.

[leesa]

10. Get a clue Joe...WE are the enemy they are fighting

How much contract money do you suppose Joe's making on this war?

[saigon68]

11. The Blood of many children is on this CREEP'S hands

Not to mention the BLOOD of many of our young people.

[cornermouse]

14. And I would say... Mr Biden, they're going to have their civil war

whether we're there or not.

If we stay, our choices are to choose a side to support and resign ourselves to being attacked by the other side till they conclude their civil war or we can try to claim neutrality with the end result of being considered the target of choice by both sides.

My choice is that we get out. Now if you really want to stay, you should consider signing up with the marines and experience firsthand, bringing freedom to the Iraqis.

[Amonester]

57. Yeah! I kinda like the idea...

Imagine that! (Biden)

Now if you really want to stay, (Biden) you should consider signing up with the marines and experience firsthand, bringing freedom to the Iraqis.

Yeah, just like ALL the other chickenshits out there: 'Hey, wanna still bring democracy to this oil-rich foreign land? Well, OK. Sign here. No problem.

:rofl:

And you kids are f*****g tired of sleeping in the mud? OK. No problem. Private Biden here, and all these former little cowards that used to hide behind their computer screens are on their way to take your bed in the radioactive mud.

Hey, bring the boys 'n girls back home!

:patriot:

[The_Casual_Observer]

16. There are permanent US bases in Iraq. The US plans to be there

till kingdom come.

[Imagevision]

33. Last year the Pentagon budgeted Iraq thru 2012 . for openers.

Until Oil production has been stabalized and put out to sea (Chalibi)the US. will continue offering "US. Sacrices" for this war on terrorism, or Operation Iraqi Freeedom -- whatever slogan Bushco has labeled it these days. -- I thought it was because of an emminent attack on the US. or WMD'S??

[firefox]

20. Biden, the Empire building fascist

Screw Biden. His statement should tell everyone he needs to be thrown out of the Senate. What a miserable failure.

[TahitiNut]

23. We're just waiting for Better Homelands & Biergartens to give Iraq ...

... it's "Good Whitehousekeeping" seal of approval. :crazy:

[Larkspur]

24. What's Biden's solution to the poor Army & Marine recruiting figures?

Without an army, it'll be difficult to maintain a presence in Iraq.

[Imagevision]

26. Hey Biden, only 37% of Iraq has a working sewer system for openers

abd your goombah Bush tells us things are going well in Iraq?? -- We got them they're elections and since that day only 700+ Iraqi civilians have been killed -- not to mention the rest who got away with only missing limbs.

The fact that the Pentagon won't allow the US. to know what's really going on in Iraq speaks volumes!

[killbotfactory]

27. How many ex-army are in iraq?

They don't need trained, they already know. And they are using that knowledge against us because of the stupid fucking choices made by neocons during the occupation. We're shamelessly exploiting their country for our benefit, giving our contractors hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer money while qualified iraqi's sit in their homes, unemployed, and watching their neighbors get bombed and rounded up and slaughtered at ill-planned checkpoints. Saying "they need us" is arrogant. If were weren't trying to steal their oil resources and building permanent military bases or enriching military contractors through sweetheart deals to do things unemployed iraqi's are perfectly capabable of doing, we would be pulling out already and we'd have less insurgents. Civil war is a possibility, but our presence there is not going to effect that one way or another.

[Dr Fate]

30. I'm not going , Joe. Hope ya gotta recruitment plan....

...because none of my GOP friends are going either.

[Massachusetts]

31. "But it's going to take time."

Hey Joe whadya know? Them words been spoke before old buddy!



BE CAREFUL WHO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH...

[Al-CIAda]

32. Biden=PNAC signee. n/t

[KittyWampus]

77. That Was Debunked Up Thread. But Keep On Hawking That Crap

[Barkley]

36. The mililary missed its April recruiting by 42% I love it!

And more than 1/2 of Americans say the war was not worth it (read: 'the price of gas is still too high').

[Itsthetruth]

38. How Is Biden Any Differrent Than Senator Reid Or Howard Dean On Iraq?

Senator Harry Reid, the leader of Senate Democrats and Howard Dean, the national chairman of the Democratic Party are both opposed to withdrawl from Iraq and support the occupation. They represent the Democratic Party and speak on behalf of that party which supports the occupation. In the Senate, every Democratic Party Senator recently voted in favor of funding Bush's occupation of Iraq while 58 Democratic and Republican members of the House voted against the funding.

Why Mr. Dean even wished Bush success in his effort to establish a colonial regime in Iraq! And to my knowledge, Mr. Dean still has not responded to the letters he received from Tom Hayden and Dennis Kucinich urging him to dump his pro-war position on Iraq.

It seems the criticism of Democratic Party support to the war against Iraq is very selective here.

[High Plains]

41. You're right, the Dems are lame on Iraq

I wish the the national Democratic leadership had the courage of its convictions--oops, silly me, thinking they had any.

[Larkspur]

45. I'd ask Dean about the military recruitment problem too.

We may end up leaving Iraq due to a shortage of Army and Marine recruits.

As I've said before, Iraq is a Catch-22 for us, we're damned if we stay and damned if we leave. Dean's reason for staying is different than Biden's. Dean's view is shaped by the abandonment of Afghanistan by the Reagan and Bush I Admins. He doesn't want Iraq to be a haven for Al Queda or any other international terrorist group, like Afghanistan became. I think Dean would support a Marshall Plan for Iraq, but the real question now is, if a change of leadership happened today and the new Prez supported a Marshall Plan for Iraq, would Iraqi insurgents be willing to lay down their arms and accept a Marshall Plan? Or is it too late for that now?

[Barkley]

53. I'd ask Dean, Biden, Hillary, and Kerry about an exit strategy

A Marshall Plan for Iraq!?!?!

I don't know where the $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$.000 is going to come from, but I have some idea where it might end up.

The long-term economic, social and political development of Iraq is NOT the responsiblity of US taxpayers.

I wonder... if the 'shoe were on the other foot' would the Iraqis implement a "Marshal Plan" to 'fix' America?

Would the Iraqis spend $172 billion and 1600 troop lives to 'liberate the USA'?

We've got to stop kidding ourselves about trying to 'fix' Iraq; we're only making it worse.

Most Iraqis see the US as an occupying force.

[Larkspur]

66. A Marshall Plan is the humane solution

I agree that Bush's definition of a Marshall Plan is different than Dean's definition. But the original Marshall Plan helped rebuild Europe into a peaceful continent.

I don't think the US would have had to pay for it alone. Europe and other Muslim nations would have helped.

If Bush was serious about helping promote democracy in Iraq, a Marshall plan should have been implemented immediately after the US had secured Iraq, but instead Bush let our troops ignore the looters and crimminals who stole priceless Iraqi national treasures.

Bush's plan was not only to secure Iraq's oil for us, but to turn Iraq into a model of successful privatization. Bush's henchmen immediately began selling off Iraq's public service sector -- water, electricity, etc. -- to Bush's corporate donors. Since most Iraqis have no jobs, they can't afford basic services, so the privatization scam has become a model of Western exploitation.

[eridani]

61. What would we have done if we'd stayed in Afghanistan?

The people we were supporting were fighters from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, and natives of the ilk of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. How could we have all of a sudden decided to support urban lefty groups like RAWA?

If you mean we should have given more financial and development aid, you're right, we should have. But our military presence is not required in order to do that, any more than it is in Iraq.

[Larkspur]

64. In regards to Afghanistan during Reagan and Bush I Admins,

the support I was referring to was financial and development aid, not military occupation.

By abandoning Afghanistan, Reagan and Bush I allowed it to turn into a haven for terrorists, so that over a decade later, we did have to invade it to destroy Al Queda's hold on it. I supported the 2001 Afghanistan invasion and so did most of the Muslim world, but I did not support Bush II returning control of Afghanistan to the same war lords, who had originally lost it to the Taliban.

[eridani]

68. Who would you have written the checks to?

The tag ends of the Soviet-supported secularists? Bush I and Reagan CREATED the terrorists--did you mean write checks to their erstwhile clients? The warlords and the Taliban are the same people, differing only in their corruption/reactionary religion ratio, which is a higher number for the warlords.

[Larkspur]

69. The Taliban didn't exist in post-Soviet Afghanistan

The warlords were there and Osama, but Al Queda hadn't been formed yet.

The US should have gone through the UN to help rebuild Afghanistan into a stable democracy. At that time, there were many Afghanis who were qualified to fulfill government posts. If we and the UN had helped Afghanistan build a stable government and a productive economy, then Al Queda may never have been born or would have remained a fringe crimminal gang.

[eridani]

73. The people who formed the Taliban certainly existed

The Afghanis who were qualified to fill the government posts mainly belonged to the Soviet-backed government or were from the left opposition. Al Qaeda was there, and the Taliban was there. They just didn't have those names yet.

Name some names of qualified people you would have supported.

[Strawman]

37. be honest Joe (I know it's hard)

His consultants have told him that the Democrats have to be muscular; strong, even when it's wrong to win again. I've never trusted this greasy haired self-proclaimed "straight talker." He's bound and determined that above all else to make sure that he and the Democrats not be seen as the party that causes us to give in or "lose" the war in Iraq. The logic is that while the war in Iraq was a mistake, it would be a bigger political mistake for us to allow ourselves the national humiliation of "losing." That's a dangerous (as well as cynical and morally bankrupt) way to think.

The sad irony is that Bush might be more likely to pull out early and unilaterally (and wrongly) declare "victory" than some of our own party's leaders who would prefer to stay in there and claim some credit for "straightening out Bush's mess." Meanwhile thousands continue to die while this political game of credit/blame plays out because our so called leaders are worried only about how this might affect how they are perceived by NASCAR dads and security moms who might not forgive them for any injury to the national ego which they believe is tightly bound to the ability of the US to project hard power. Time to come up with a new feel good national narrative guys. One that doesn't rest upon on the house of cards of imperial fantasies.

There needs to be some sort of a transition to a UN peacekeeping force to lessen the feeling of occupation to diffuse the tension in Iraq. We probably need to withdraw first before that is likely to happen. Before that happens we need to get rid of the frame of winning and losing. Everyone lost the day this war began. When over 40% of Iraqi's sympathize with the insurgency and clear majorities of Iraqis in poll after poll oppose our occupation, I find it hard to believe that our continued military presence there helps to facilitate peace.

[Roland99]

39. Ill-devised U.S. plans and directions of the puppets are responsible for

the current situation in Iraq. Selecting a guard that is essentially militia formed from thugs...what did they expect?


http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2003_12_01_riverbendblog_archive.html

We've been avoiding discussing the possibilities of this last week's developments… the rioting and violence. We don't often talk about the possibility of civil war because conferring about it somehow makes it more of a reality. When we do talk about it, it's usually done in hushed tones with an overhanging air of consternation. Is it possible? Will it happen?

Sunnis and Shi'a have always lived in harmony in Iraq and we still do, so far. I'm from a family that is about half Shi'a and half Sunni. We have never had problems as the majority of civilized people don't discriminate between the two. The thing that seems to be triggering a lot of antagonism on all sides is the counterinsurgency militia being cultivated by the CPA and GC which will include Chalabi's thugs, SCIRI extremists and some Kurdish Bayshmarga.

The popular and incorrect belief seems to be that if you are a Kurd or Shi'a, this step is a positive one. Actually, the majority of moderate Kurds and Shi'a are just as exasperated as Sunnis about this new group of soldiers/spies that is going to be let loose on the population. It's just going to mean more hostility and suspicion in all directions, and if the new Iraqi force intends to be as indiscriminate with the detentions and raids as the troops, there's going to be a lot of bloodshed too.

I once said that I hoped, and believed, Iraqis were above the horrors of civil war and the slaughter of innocents, and I'm clinging to that belief with the sheer strength of desperation these days. I remember hearing the stories about Lebanon from people who were actually living there during the fighting and a constant question arose when they talked about the grief and horrors- what led up to it? What were the signs? How did it happen? And most importantly… did anyone see it coming?

[Disturbed]

40. Most Dems in Congress are on board with..

the Occupation and support the permanent U.S. Military bases in Iraq.

There is only one way that the Occupation will end: The Shi'ites and Sunnis put aside their differences and unite against U.S. Colonization. Al Sadr is working on Sunni and Shi'ite unity. If that happens there will be a real change in Iraq.

U.S. disbands Iraqi army unit

"An Iraqi army unit has been disbanded after it refused to attend a U.S. training course in Baghdad, former members of the unit said on Saturday.

The soldiers said they feared reprisals from locals if they were seen to have cooperated with the Americans." (Reuters)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3094763,00.ht...

[Roland99]

48. I don't think there's as much discord between Sunni and Shia.

At least not as much as we're led to believe.

[maryallen]

42. Shut up, Biden! Just shut the hell up!

I am so sick of this sucker I don't know what to do.

With Democrats like this, there is no opposition party ... at least, not the anti-war type I want.

[bluestateguy]

44. I wonder who he plagiarized that speech from

I hear Neil Kinnock is retired now.

[mikita]

46. Is there a way to

SCREAM online????????????????

[radar]

49. Time for the BARTCOP "Pink Tutus" ...?

"We're Bush Commandos - we follow his orders."

Excerpt:
Biden (Pink Tutu) described Wolfowitz as a man with an "active and fertile mind" who believes in
the work of multilateral institutions. Asked for his reaction to the selection, Biden responded: "Solid."
He then elaborated. "Paul is a brilliant guy and a serious person."

“I don’t know enough to comment on that.
I just don’t know what happened there.
I’m just not qualified to comment.”
-- Joe the Squealer, when Russert
offered him a free shot at Dubya.

[libnnc]

50. Joe, babe, listen...

re: "You break it, you own it..."

When you bust something at the Pottery Barn,

A. You don't go to the car to get your 9 iron to break more stuff.

And...

B. You don't sit in the floor of the shop with super glue, trying to put the pieces back together.



You appologize profusely, write a check, and GET THE FUCK OUT!!

[librechik]

81. Pottery Barn doesn't follow that rule

they just ask the disruptor to leave the store. They'd rather have their own people fix their things.

Joe, our presence is NOT HELPING.

WE SHOULD LEAVE.

Give them Iraq Budget Money we haven't spent to fix things, and let them do it.


Their country is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS!!!

[daleo]

51. Typical colonialist thinking

The natives can't train themselves, although they can be trained.

[Demeter]

52. DU Reader--Biden Should Keep Mouth Shut

Honestly, this man is representing no one, and until he puts an ear to the ground, he should refrain from making a further ass of himself.

[nwliberalkiwi]

54. How Many Children In Iraq

How many of Bidens' children or grandchildren are serving in Iraq---for that matter any children or grandchildren of any member of Congress not to mention Amerikas' Fascist Regime?!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zorra]

56. For a people that can't train themselves, they sure are giving the most

powerful military in the world a heck of a lot of resistance.

Amazingly, it seems that the Iraqis have already trained themselves pretty damn well, don't you think?

But of course, so many of our great corporate sponsored leaders constantly tell us that all brownskinned peoples need their Great White Father in Washington to teach them about jeebus and the right way to live, and how to think, because they are just ignorant savages in need of guidance.
:sarcasm:

Is Joe's real full name something like Joseph Aipac DuPont Biden, or is that just the name his owners have given him?

[MichiganVote]

59. Must be they want a civil war in the states instead

Yeah, that's right no civil war in Iraq but to hell with what Americans think. How far will these worthless politicians take Americans before none of us are even speaking to each other anymore?

This is the same crock of shit they voted for in the first place. One "What if" after another.....

[anarchy1999]

62. Is Biden some sort of LAME DUCK? Is he wanting to be Prez? Just what

is up with this man?

I've really had enough of him. He makes me crazy, and when someone makes me feel insane well, it may be time to say enough, JOE! You have gone too far for me to support you anymore.

Does he just want to be Prez next?

[Az_lefty]

70. Since recruiting is so far off the mark...

maybe someone should point this out and ask Biden if he supports the Draft?

[natrat]

71. biden talks such a good game

it's almost as if he's a good guy. bankruptcy bill vote proved he's a scum like lots of the rest

[TankLV]

72. Bidden can go fuck himself.

Who wants to be the last one to DIE FOR A LIE?!

We should make every arrangement to get the hell out of there as soon as possible.

I almost believe a civil war is inevitable.

Bush made the mess, we can try best as we can to "fix" things before we leave, but LEAVE WE MUST! That should be our UNCOMPROMISING position.

I don't think "we" can fix it, tho.

WHO IS WILLING TO BE THE LAST PERSON TO DIE FOR A LIE?!?!

[bemildred]

75. Nah, Biden should have "help". nt

[Doctor_J]

78. Can't the people in DE DO something about this guy?

Like write him and tell him which party he's in? How much did Smirk win DE by anyway? Oh, he lost it? Then why is the Senator from that state one of Smirk's main boosters?

[Robeson]

80. Sen. Biden, please put a cork in it. For once.

[DanCa]

82. Betrayed by Biden

I used to respect Joe Biden for even a split second I considered him for a run in o8. I am glad I found out now what a slime he is. Please forgive my lapse in judgement it wont happen again.
I guess psych meds and alchol dont mix after all.

[Chicago Democrat]

83. I guarantee you if we STAY there will be Civil War !!!

SO WHAT IS THE POINT???!!

[bunny planet]

84. Tell you what Joe, you send your kids. Mine are staying here.

Fucktard.

[The Traveler]

85. Joe Biden, I respectfully suggest

that you cannot see the light until you get yer head out of yer ass. We have already lost this struggle. The tighter we squeeze, the more recruits we create for the insurgency. To defeat the insurgency we require 10-1 numerical superiority (at best we have 5-1, at worst we are outnumbered), or we must repeatedly deploy firepower on a massive scale, as in Fallujah.

Either way, we're screwed. The question now is ... how do we do the least damage to the Iraqi people and our own national interest. Pouring gas on the fire is not the answer.