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Democracy White Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:54 PM
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Army Relaxes Recruiting Rules

Just read this on Yahoo News:


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Army, facing recruiting woes and a reorganized force, will relax requirements for new officers, welcoming older candidates and allowing more tolerance of past minor crimes, officials said on Thursday.



Trying to stem the loss of current personnel, the Army also has made it more difficult to kick soldiers out of the military for alcohol or drug abuse, being overweight or "unsatisfactory performance," according to a recent memo.

"We are an Army at war and increasing levels of attrition of first-term enlisted soldiers in both the training base and units is a matter of great concern," the memo stated.

These changes come as the Army struggles amid the Iraq war to sign up new soldiers at the same time it restructures its force to add numerous additional combat brigades. The regular Army has missed four straight monthly recruiting goals and is in danger of missing its first annual goal since 1999.

Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, an Army spokesman, said in a statement the Army was seeking 300 currently enlisted soldiers and 300 civilians with college degrees, up to age 42, to enter Officer Candidate School. Its graduates are second lieutenants, the Army's lowest-ranking officer.

The average age for graduates of the 14-week program is 27. Hilferty said current policy normally requires a waiver for anyone over 30 to enter the school. The oldest person to get such a waiver was 40, Hilferty said.

A May 25 memo also stated commanders "may recommend waiver of civil or military offenses" that otherwise might disqualify an applicant. Hilferty said this was not meant to lower quality standards for officers, adding, "Felonies cannot be waived. Drug offenses and sex offenses are not waived."

"An example may be a conviction for underage drinking that occurred prior to enlistment several years ago," Hilferty said of offenses that might be waived.

Col. Joe Curtin, another Army spokesman, said as the Army creates more brigades, there is a greater demand for lieutenants as well as the higher-ranking captains and majors.

Curtin downplayed the issue of having junior officers much older than those in the current Army, stating they would possess the virtues of experience and maturity.

REDUCING ATTRITION

Separately, a May 5 Army memo sought to stem the numbers of soldiers being kicked out or allowed to leave the Army before their volunteer commitment ends. By reducing attrition by 1 percentage point, the Army can keep 3,000 soldiers in the ranks who otherwise would have to be replaced by new recruits, it said.

The memo informed battalion commanders, responsible for 300 to 1,000 soldiers, they cannot remove soldiers from the military for reasons such as "alcohol or other drug abuse rehabilitation failure," "failure to meet body fat standards," pregnancy and "unsatisfactory performance." These commanders generally have made such decisions in the past.

The decisions will now be elevated to brigade commanders, responsible for 3,000 to 5,000 soldiers, the memo stated.

"It's one more check to ensure that a soldier who's being recommended for release may have some redeeming values," Curtin said. "Let me give you an example. You may have a soldier who is the best mechanic in the company yet can't meet height and weight standards. Is there a way to fix that?"

"Each soldier retained reduces the strain on Recruiting Command and our retention program, which must replace every soldier who departs the Army early," the memo added.



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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:56 PM
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1. Screw it
Just head to death row and pick a dirty dozen
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:05 PM
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5. I say send...
all convicts to Iraq and especially Chimp supporters.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 07:13 PM
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12. Only if they want to... my brother is in there...
for making a mistake.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 05:58 PM
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2. ok when was the last time this happened?
Oh yes Nam...
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:00 PM
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3. WW2 US troops have said
They realized they had the Germans on the ropes when they started encountering units formed of older men and young boys.

With few exceptions that's been a sign of a nation under dire stress.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:12 PM
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7. yeah, after almost a decade of compulsory service and 5 years of war
we haven't quite reached that point yet.

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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:02 PM
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4. Now this was just notoriously poor planning
Rummy, care to comment? On the other hand, you could just call off your war. That would solve everything.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:11 PM
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6. America's New Army:






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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:14 PM
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8. I'm hoping the one bright point
of this debacle is that pot is legalized. How much longer can a pot conviction keep some recruiter from snatching up another soldier? Another year of this madness and there will be no reason to turn someone away. Heart ailment? No problem. Convictions for violence? You're in!
I've already posted about my co-worker's son who spent seven months at Marine boot camp...and never finished the training. He was finally sent home with a medical discharge. He should never have made it to boot camp. He was in no way able to physically train. This kid was rushed through recruitment and then had to endure months of trying to complete training he absolutely could not do. So. What's next? Easier training?
Just wondering. I know the combat training has been shortened...not to the extent of Viet Nam. Not yet.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 07:25 PM
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14. Now If Ypu're Not Making it At Marine Boot Camp They Kill You
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6988854/

By Jim Miklaszewski
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 7:39 p.m. ET Feb. 17, 2005

An autopsy revealed 19-year-old Jason Tharp drowned last week during water survival training at the Marine Corps boot camp at Parris Island, S.C.
Video shot on Feb. 7, the day before Tharp's death, by NBC affiliate WIS-TV in Columbia, S.C., shows Tharp, visibly shaken and almost terrified, taking a forearm shot from a Marine drill instructor.

In the Marines only five weeks, Tharp had written seven letters home telling his family he wanted out. His father, John Tharp, claims Jason had been singled out by drill instructors because he couldn't keep up with the rigorous basic training.

<snip>

"He's just afraid because he is not able to do the swim correctly right now, and he just wants to leave and go home," said Staff Sgt. Anthony Davis on the Feb. 7 videotape.

<snip>

Marine Corps officials say Tharp voluntarily entered the pool the next day, where he drowned during a 25-meter swim. Officials also say there's no early evidence of any misconduct by Marine instructors at the time Jason drowned, but the conduct caught on camera the day before raises questions about exactly what happened in that pool.

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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:25 PM
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9. Democracy White as per DU rules
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs.

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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:37 PM
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10.  Hilferty, change the letters in his name around, Hitlerfy...
sounds like what the military wants to do with our youth. Intersting last name.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 06:50 PM
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11. Lets say Iraq is over. What happens to all those people you lowered
standards for? Is the military going to dump them as soon as possible back on the streets with no assistance. You bet they will. Also if you lower standards for moral issues whats to stop them from lowering the mental standards. People who can't read and dirt poor, mentally challenged and snapped up with no one knowing it's going on. All to protect Republicans from having to institute a draft. Nice.
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 07:16 PM
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13. More Mai Lais?
Seems to me -- and please correct me if I am wrong -- it was authoritatively claimed (by our government itself) that just such a lowering of standards was the major factor in the Mai Lai massacre...
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 07:41 PM
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15. You need a link.
No link, no keep.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 07:46 PM
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