Osama bin Laden 'in and out' of Iran in recent years - US lawmaker

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http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/12/afx2088512.html

Osama bin Laden 'in and out' of Iran in recent years - US lawmaker
06.12.2005

WASHINGTON (AFX) - Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, who has been the subject of a worldwide manhunt since the 9/11 terror attacks in 2001, has been in and out of Iran several times over the past few years, said US Representative Curt Weldon, a Pennsylvania Republican.

Weldon is the author of a book on terrorism using an Iranian source dubbed 'Ali,' whose credibility was questioned by a Central Intelligence Agency agent.

Bin Laden 'has been in and out of Iran, and now we have military generals telling us that,' Weldon told NBC's 'Meet the Press.'

'Interestingly enough, the CIA totally refuted that when I first went to them. And by the way, the person who gave me this entire lead was a former Democrat member of Congress,' he said.

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[barb162]

1. oops, time to nuke Iran

[chalky]

2. Sounds like Bushie bin "fixin" again.

n/t

[steve2470]

3. STFU, Weldon. Your remarks and others like it are going to get a lot of

people killed in Iran one day.

[ngGale]

4. Sure thing...

watch out Iran, here we come. :hide:

[Minstrel Boy]

5. Funny there's no mention of Pakistan.

Apart from these likely fictional "in-and-out" jaunts to Iran, bin Laden has spent nearly the last four years as the guest of America's great friend, Pakistan.

[barb162]

11. that's what I am thinking but that's a hard place to take over and

there's no oil there

[IndianaGreen]

6. The prblem with Weldon's fantasies, is that OBL hates the Shia religion

Like all Wahabbis, he sees the Shias as heretics. I cannot imagine OBL receiving any sort of refuge from Iran.

[Mika]

45. Just like he hated Saddam. OBL issued a fatwa against SH b4 W* attacked.

This "news" is doubleplusgood for the BushCrimeNazi cabal.

_________________________________


Good news Brothers and sisters, chocolate rations have been increased to 20 grams!

http://www.online-literature.com/view.php/1984/5

It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. Parsons swallowed it easily, with the stupidity of an animal. The eyeless creature at the other table swallowed it fanatically, passionately, with a furious desire to track down, denounce, and vaporize anyone who should suggest that last week the ration had been thirty grammes.

[Jack Rabbit]

7. "Weldon is the author of a book on terrorism"

And Ann Coulter is the author of a book on treason that is utterly worthless. What makes Mr. Weldon any more an expert on terrorism than Ms. Coulter is on treason?

Perhaps Osama has been in and out of Iran during the last several years. It's next door to Pakistan and he could easily slip in and out of Iran. He's hiding, after all.

Did he go in and out of Iran with the assisstance or knowledge of the Iranian government? That's a very crucial question. There is nothing in the article to suggest that it is the case.

Bill Murray, the former CIA station chief in Paris, told US newspapers he met four times with 'Ali' in Paris and that the source's information was not credible.

That suggests that we shouldn't anythig Mr. Weldon has to say at all seriously.

[IndianaGreen]

15. His book, and his source, were debunked on Meet the Press

by Tim Russert!

Weldon's source turned out to be an unrealible Iranian exile that was an official of the Shah of Iran and is now an agent for an Iranian arms dealer, Ghorbanifar.

Transcript:

MR. RUSSERT: One of the legitimate issues raised about Iraq, however, was: Was the information given to us about weapons of mass destruction credible and accurate? The American Prospect, a liberal magazine, has been reading your book and analyzing it and talking to people. "The Prospect has learned that the true identity of `Ali' is Fereidoun Mahdavi, formerly the shah's minister of commerce and, more importantly, the close friend and business partner of Ghorbanifar, legendary arms dealer, infamous intelligence fabricator, and central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal that almost brought down the Reagan administration. It was `Gorba,' as he was known back then to Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, the rouge National Security Council officer, who lured the Reagan administration into secretly selling U.S. missiles to the Islamic regime in exchange for the release of Western hostages. ... `Mahdavi says that he has this network in Iran that he gets information from,' says Akbar Etemad `Each time, he says his information will come true in two months' time. But all that information is fake. Ghorbanifar and Mahdavi work very closely together. Ghorbanifar is unreliable. In that sense, he might be dangerous. The CIA shares that harsh assessment of Ghorbanifar. If the intelligence had any clue to Mahdavi's association with Ghorbanifar, it is scarcely surprising that its officials rebuffed Weldon's overtures on behalf of `Ali.' Many years ago, the CIA issued an unusual `burn notice' on Ghorbanifar, instructing its personnel not to deal with him and warning that he was known to spread false information to advance his own interests."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8130648/

[Jack Rabbit]

18. Muchas gracias, señorita

A RW congressman debunked by Russert? How humiliating!!

[Frederik]

38. Haha, one of Ghorbanifar's buddies

Does it get any better.

[mountainvue]

8. Oh this is a good one.

How convenient Osama is trotted out when things are getting a bit hot over the DSM.
I heard Osama's been in and out of the Ritz Carlton in D.C. for the last couple of years, not to mention a slew of luxury hotels worldwide.
By the way, the person who gave me this information is a former busboy who worked in said hotels for many years. He was recently promoted to valet.
Whatever.

[barb162]

9. gotta nuke the WashDC Ritz Carlton now too

[Jack Rabbit]

10. Absolutely. It makes sense.

I'll bet Mountainvue knows as much about Osama's whereabouts as Weldon, after all.

[mountainvue]

17. "I don't know.

I don't really think about him very much. I'm not that concerned. "

George-He's Just Not That Into You-Bush

[Jack Rabbit]

19. I rest my case!!

Of course, unlike you, Mr. Weldon pretends that he is an expert.

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. Right, that idiot has the inside dope!

Some shit for brains form pennsy has the direct secret scoop Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

[devinsgram]

43. Not all of us from "pennsy" are that stupid.

Actually, some of us are very bright and know full well how full of s**t he is.

[pacalo]

13. "Former Democrat member of Congress" = Zell Miller?

:evil grin:

This administration's credibility is so low that they're wasting their time conjuring up support for another preemptive war. I can't see it happening. Just ask Rep. Walter "Freedom Fries" Jones -- he now blames the "neoconservatives in the WH" for the first preemptive quagmire...umm...war.

[leesa]

14. Sheesh! Will they never stop??

[nolabels]

16. Hey this is a coincadence, just last last December I saw..............

http://snoopy.apana.org.au/~bam/archives/jokes/2000/attachment.html

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

20. Start packin' the dry ice...one Osama head comin' up, Mr. President!

It just keeps getting worse, and worse, and worse, and....well.

[daleo]

21. Ali=Curveball.

Bin Laden, Iraq, Iran, blah, blah, blah...more lying by the party of liars.

[DRoseDARs]

26. Ali = Jebus...

Clearly this senator has been getting intelligence reports from a Higher source than the CIA... :eyes:

[daleo]

28. He may well share some of Bush's apparent delusions on that score.

Bush also thinks he is privy to such communications.

[RetroLounge]

40. That's what I was thinking.

and Chalabi is mixed up in this too, I'm sure.

RL

[IChing]

22. This guy said he wanted war against Iran this past week.

He was promoting his book this past week, which comes from a major right wing press.

He is a major right wing nut, and HIS sources suck eggs

I can in no way NOMINATE this NEWZACK

[Disturbed]

23. Jus another Rwinger talkin' shit.

An ounce of proof of his allegations? Nope!

[lakeguy]

24. oh yeah, i'll believe them this time! they wouldn't lie to me twice

would they?:nuke:

[sphincter]

25. Why does this sound so familiar?

Doesn't those people have any shame? Are they going to come up with some other bogus reason so they can kill more people in the M.E.?

[Rainscents]

27. Here comes a drummer boy! Can you hear the drum???

[IChing]

29. another fat white rich christian bigot

sorry couldn't help it

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Ok so the time line for a war in Iran is a little delayed?

I mean they should have released this a while ago

[brentspeak]

31. This crook has spent more time defending accused Serbian war criminals

than he has looking after the best interests of his constituents (Philly area), and uses his office to hand business opportunities to his daughter (who represents accused Serb war criminals)

[Robeson]

32. Wonder how many times he's been in and out of CIA headquarters or...

...station offices over the years?....

[Deja Q]

33. So Weldon was in Iran and saw this personally?

Which military generals? Captain Cantseeathing? Commander Crapulent? Corporal Crocked? Private Plastered? Admiral Asshat?

They lied before and haven't exactly made up for it yet.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. Right. Weldon totally convinces me this is true. Sure.

[darkism]

35. So this means that the next MIHOP will be...

...spun as an Iran/OBL job giving us the excuse to start the next holy crusade.

Fuck.

[Nostradamus]

36. the theory and practice of Oligarchal Collectivism

"...By comparison with that existing today, all the tyrannies of the past were half-hearted and inefficient. The ruling groups were always infected to some extent by liberal ideas, and were content to leave loose ends everywhere, to regard only the overt act and to be uninterested in what their subjects were thinking. Even the Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was tolerant by modern standards. Part of the reason for this was that in the past no government had the power to keep its citizens under constant surveillance. The invention of print, however, made it easier to manipulate public opinion, and the film and the radio carried the process further. With the development of television, and the technical advance which made it possible to receive and transmit simultaneously on the same instrument, private life came to an end. Every citizen, or at least every citizen important enough to be worth watching, could be kept for twenty-four hours a day under the eyes of the police and in the sound of official propaganda, with all other channels of communication closed. The possibility of enforcing not only complete obedience to the will of the State, but complete uniformity of opinion on all subjects, now existed for the first time....

http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/go-goldstein.html#ch2

[Frederik]

37. 'Ali,' whose credibility was questioned

by a CIA agent. Another neocon plant, like Curveball and Chalabi.

Guess it's time to get serious in the war on terra!

:nuke:

[Barrett808]

39. Weldon also said it's Khomeini's fault. For real.

In Yankee Doodle's words:

You go to War with the Politicians you have

I was doing some research for tomorrow's news post and I came across this, and I feel it's worth a separate thread in itself:

This man is a Republican Representative. He is Vice Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Vice Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee and he is the author of "Countdown to Terror: The Top-Secret Information that Could Prevent the Next Terrorist Attack on America...and How the CIA has Ignored It"

Today on Meet the Press this "expert" politician had this to say:

REP. WELDON: I've been raising this issue for the past two years. Iran is a major player. Ayatollah Khomeini, not the Iranian people, because they're not the problem. Ayatollah Khomeini's the problem. And he has a separate council of nine that's been fomenting unrest in Iraq during this entire time, and that's what's increasing. That's what's increasing dramatically as we attempt to stabilize the country.

MR. RUSSERT: Do you think we're in the last throes of the insurgency?

REP. WELDON: No, I don't. I think Iran is going to continue to escalate their building support so eventually, whatever government there takes hold is going to have to deal with Iran and eventually become a partner of Iran.

Mr Weldon, expert that you are, Ayatollah Khomeini died in June 1989.

Mr Weldon, expert that you are, please advise us of the Iranian assisted insurgency?

http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_dailywarnews_archive.html#111859559515343429

[Lerkfish]

41. and yet...they still can't catch the guy, even thought they "know" of his

movements.

conveeeeeeeeeenient.

(/church lady)

[passy]

42. Click! Engaging spin cycle.

[Zerex71]

44. Propaganda...this way they can say Iran is "harboring terr'ists".

Besides, the US' track record with regard to Middle Eastern intelligence has, shall we say, been more on the dubious side of things (cf. Ahmed "400k/month" Chalabi").

[SaveAmerica]

46. and I've got ocean front property in Arizona, let's see if I can find

a Republican to buy it from me...