Schiavo autopsy report backs husband

[underpants]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8225637



Medical examiner says she suffered from 'irreversible' brain injury

TAMPA, Fla. - In a victory for Michael Schiavo, a coroner who performed an autopsy on Terri Schiavo reported Wednesday that she suffered from an irreversible brain injury and would not have recovered as her parents insisted was possible.

Her brain was profoundly atrophied," Jon Thogmartin, medical examiner for Florida's Pinellas and Pasco counties, told a press conference. "There was massive neuronal loss, or death. This was irreversible."

In response to questions, Thogmartin said there was no evidence Schiavo suffered from abuse.

In addition, the report said no evidence existed that Michael Schiavo tried to hasten his wife's death via drugs or other substances as her parents had alleged.

[underpants]

1. Original locked thread here (12 replies)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1550792

[MichiDem]

70. OMG LMAO

The mod locked it with these final words:
No-Brainer

:evilgrin:

[janx]

114. I think it was locked because those words were originally in the title!

That's what the mod meant.

[paula777]

71. I can't figure out why people were so mad at the first post

What was the 'controversy'??

[saigon68]

212. The Right Wing Fundy Nut-Jobs

Still insist that, if she had been kept alive, she could have improved and joined the cast of dancers at the Radio City Music Hall.

And maybe even snag a bar or 2 of the old standard,

Kylie Minogue
Album: Fever
Title: Can't Get You Out Of My Head

La la la la la la la la
La la la la la la la la
La la la la la la la la
La la la la la la la la

I just can’t get you out of my head
Boy your lovin’ is all I think about
I just can’t get you out of my head
Boy it’s more than I dare to think about

[dave29]

2. the corononer was bought and paid for

by reality based medicine.

What a freakin shill.

[medeak]

3. CNN anchor said "she had a will to live"

as her heart was so strong.

cripes.

[dave29]

5. Too bad her brain didn't agree

Jesus

[geek tragedy]

98. That was Rush Limbaugh's girlfriend. Surprised?

[Nothing Without Hope]

106. Notice that they don't compare her with all the people who are awake

and aware and being starved, tortured, suppressed and killed in this world, often by forces that the US directs or supports. Or the people who die in this very country because they cannot afford even a tiny fraction of the health care that was lavished on "poor, abused" Ms. Schiavo for years and years. Makes my blood boil, the bloody (literally) hypocrites!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

129. Well, that proves why the CNN anchor is still breathing because....

...she also has no brain.

I wonder when she and Rush "The Cowardly Lion" Limbaugh plan to visit the Wizard?

[leftchick]

160. please tell me they didn't

please?

[medeak]

CNN anchor said "she had a will to live"

as her heart was so strong.

cripes.

[johnfunk]

6. Daryn Kagan -- she's Rush Limbaugh's moll...

... I wonder if she's ''borrowing'' any of Pigboy's OxyContin?

[medeak]

7. thanks for the clarification.. that makes sense

geezz.. looks like I'm having probs posting!

[underpants]

8. I asked if it was her on another thread

[geckosfeet]

51. man she looks evil

[KDLarsen]

164. Let me see...

Coincedence? I think not.

[confludemocrat]

153. Google news has a story saying "facts prove schiavo not blind"

The Newsmax story then dos not provide those "facts" to match that headline. I am new to them, what is the f'in problem?

[saigon68]

211. I wonder if he periodically shows her the "BOIL SCAR" on his ass

Since he IS and HAS a big ASS-- the SCAR IS HUMONGOUS

[medeak]

4. CNN anchor said "she had a will to live"

as her heart was so strong.

cripes.

[Kingshakabobo]

9. Just a bunch of fancy liberal book-learnin is all.

[Ilsa]

125. I just read that to my husband and he

cracked up. That's for making us laugh hard today!

[Kingshakabobo]

161. Anytime!

:)

[Moderator]

10. kick to combine

[dave29]

11. Schiavo Autopsy Report Backs Husband

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8225637

[johnfunk]

12. That title should cause a few fuddie/FReeper heads to detonate...

... and even if it doesn't, most of their brains are still smaller than Terri Schiavo's...

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

29. Looking at FR, they just cry that it's bullshit.

As if the coroner has any vested interest in it whatsoever. :eyes:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1423304/posts

[underpants]

39. 338 posts

To: Freedom Dignity n Honor
They had to hydrate her brain again. Why do you think the autopsy took so long?

309 posted on 06/15/2005 8:52:44 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (What happens in Aruba..stays in Aruba)) ,---Gee isn't that nice?

To: conservativebabe
I'm looking for the truth; I'm willing to accept EXPERT TESTIMONY to find it, not call every single piece of information contrary to what I think a lie and part of a conspriracy.



310 posted on 06/15/2005 8:52:48 AM PDT by Howlin

[mondo joe]

78. I love how they can out-diagnose the coroner.

I especially love their blatherings about how the brain would have shrunk due to dehydration - as if the coroner wouldn't have thought of it.

[Robin Hood]

13. Notice the MSM ignoring these cold hard facts.

Now that it proves that the MSM and Republicans were so wrong, and the husband and people of intelligence and conscience were right.

[DemBones DemBones]

14. If the story is on MSNBC, how can the MSM be ignoring it? nt

[Robin Hood]

32. It was just a blurb.

Considering the national attention that this case got, you would think that the conclusion to this story would be just as big of news. The reality is that the MSM and White House do not like the ending. So it's going to get buried.

We should be shoving this into Tom Delays face.

[ixion]

44. Imagine the MSM response if the opposite had been true

they'd be dragging Michael Schiavo out into the streets about now, and there would be 24/7 coverage.

[lancdem]

210. This story was on the front page of my afternoon paper

and it's a Repuke-leaning paper.

[sonicx]

15. Schiavo autopsy report backs husband

TAMPA, Fla. - In a victory for Michael Schiavo, a coroner who performed an autopsy on Terri Schiavo reported Wednesday that she suffered from an irreversible brain injury and would not have recovered as her parents insisted was possible.

"Her brain was profoundly atrophied," Jon Thogmartin, medical examiner for Florida's Pinellas and Pasco counties, told a press conference. "There was massive neuronal loss, or death. This was irreversible."

He added that all evidence indicated that she could not have survived without a feeding tube.

In response to questions, Thogmartin said there was no evidence Schiavo suffered from abuse.

In addition, the report said no evidence existed that Michael Schiavo tried to hasten his wife's death via drugs or other substances as her parents had alleged.

more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8225637

[grumpy old fart]

16. It was a no brainer.....IMHO

[malachi]

36. Good one. LOL

[Media_Lies_Daily]

127. Bad, bad....so VERY bad! LOL!!

[PegDAC]

216. OOOH!!

That one was wrong on soooooo many levels.
ROTFLMAO!

[Robin Hood]

17. Notice how the MSM is avoiding the sciavo case.

Now that it proves that the MSM and Republicans were so wrong.

[janx]

41. The cables cut away from the press conference after 20 minutes.

I was waiting for the docs to address the matter of the cerebral cortex, but the question and answer session was cut off.

[BattyDem]

18. Is anyone actually surprised by this?

I'd like the people who claimed she was aware of her surroundings and talking to her parents to explain how she did that with a "profoundly atrophied" brain! :eyes:

[Horse with no Name]

19. Or followed a balloon with her entire vision center

necrosed.
Unreal but not unexpected.

[hippiechick]

25. Well, hell ... Republicans do that all the time !

:silly: and their brains are obviously atrophied !! :silly:

[Gunit_Sangh]

26. re: how she was aware

Jesus juice?


</sarcasm>

[alarcojon]

33. And how she looked at people and smiled at them

when she was BLIND!

[HamstersFromHell]

148. In a stunning example of (il)logic...

the 3 in Washington with the most "profoundly atrophied" brains, Delay, Frist, and Bush, loudly proclaimed that they were aware of their surroundings so therefore Terri Schiavo was as well. "She's one of us!" declared Delay, to the cheering of thousands of Right wing fundamentalists and Freepers.

Democrats agreed as well, pointing the the totally flat lines of any EEG taken of not only Schiavo, but Bush, Cheney, Delay, Frist and the rest of the Republican congress.

[The Doctor.]

208. Actually... it is possible,

I see freepers do it all the time.

[medeak]

20. CNN anchor "she had a strong will to live"

as her heart was in good shape.

[underpants]

22. Come on really? Was it Rush's Girlfriend?

Daryn Kagan

[napi21]

35. Yep! I was watching at the time. I'm a bit surprised I haven't heard

even ONE reporter just flat out say, the results support Terri's husband, and completely deny everything being claimed by her family!

I really don't think my judgement of the report is Dem or Pug. Are they that dedicated to following the Pug plan that they can't even hear plain words???

[Richard Steele]

136. In plain words: YES. Yes they are.

[ElectroPrincess]

86. As pretty as those News anchors are I've found that

Beauty and Integrity are not necessarily positively correlated.

After enjoying their company for a number of years, some of the most "beautiful" people I know are of average to plain physical appearances.

The "talking heads" on the major news networks mostly look pretty but lack depth. Well duH. Guess that's why I find Jeanie Moos and Keith Obermann so damn attractive, i.e., they demonstrate independent thought and critical thinking skills.

Oh la la! They're both IMHO, drop dead gorgeous! :loveya:

[DBoon]

40. they already proved that brain activity is unnecessary

by their own existence

[Kingshakabobo]

21. Just another America hatin culture of death librul elite doctor.

:sarcasm:

[Ishoutandscream2]

Yes, damn science! Jesus told me Terri was okay!!

"more sarcasm"

[Norquist Nemesis]

23. I already know what the Puke response will be

Seriously. I saw it right after Terri Schiavo died. "The autopsy was written before she was cold."

Sad. Really, really, truly sad.

[Triana]

27. Our gov't spent...

...all this time and money trying to 'save' a dead person. Too bad they don't have as much regard and concern for the living. If they did, we might get somwhere.

[cthrumatrix]

31. THAT is the point --- the GOP wasted our tax dollars AGAIN on

propaganda

[rfkrfk]

113. only three Senators voted, Federal involvement was minimal

US Senate, blah blah blah.

[sonicx]

24. Schiavo autopsy report backs husband

This thread has been combined with another thread.

Click here to read this message in its new location.

[bleedingheart]

28. Amazing the Doctors and NOT the reporters were correct in their

assesment of her care!!!! I am shocked!!!

[ElectroPrincess]

88. We are entering an era where "intellectual" thought is scorned upon ...

Yes, we're back in Kansas. Damn those elitist intellectuals. I know what I believe and I'm not gonna let the facts git in my way.

What a long cold winter we are in for ... these people are nuts!

[bleedingheart]

103. I know it just disgusts me how people fall easily into the trap

of having no respect for knowledge or education.

[Roland99]

30. "In a victory for Michael Schiavo". WTF?

How is this a victory for him? HORRIBLE journalism!

He wasn't in some competition or race. He just wanted his wife's wishes to be met.


ARGH!!!

[ElectroPrincess]

91. I honestly believe that Saint Peter is reserving an elevator

for Mr. Schivo DIRECTLY to the promised land. All the pain and suffering he had to endure demonstrates what a compassionate human being and thoughtful husband he was to Terri. He did honor HER WISHES.

These fundies think that PARENTS not SPOUSES should *own* their own adult children.

[spooky3]

104. I totally agree. Her husband loved her more than anyone, as evidenced

by his actions. And he is a man of integrity. What hell he had to go through to help his wife.

[StaggerLee]

34. Does anyone have that pic

of the blind fundie layin' on her back prayin' so hard she looked like she was about to drop a duece?

I'd like to see that again. I need the laugh.

[Roland99]

38. Here ya go

[ronnykmarshall]

43. The Fundie Hooter Gal

Lord how I miss her!

[calimary]

64. Man... THAT is what's running our country now.

Fringe lunatics like THAT are the ones with the hands on the steering wheel. A bunch of irrational, thirteenth-century-mindset yahoos dominating the public discourse and public policy.

Any wonder that poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll CONSISTENTLY and INCREASINGLY shows that clear majorities of Americans feel our country has gone off IN THE WRONG DIRECTION??!??!?!?!?!?!

[underpants]

42. An actual photo (shop) from the Freeper thread

[retread]

37. This can't be true!!Dr. Cat Killer saw some photos and pictures don't lie.

*

[Ganja Ninja]

46. He should be able to do an autopsy on a picture of her ashes

and give us his own conclusions. :eyes:

[Roland99]

105. .

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

[guajira]

45. He Still Got by With Legalized Murder

It was a most barbaric event, very unworthy of a country such as ours.

How this issue became political, I can't imagine. I go on record as one Democrat who believes her care should have been turned over to her parents and then re-assessed without the influence of a husband who wanted her dead.

[janx]

48. You can't imagine how this issue became political?

Open your eyes, man! What do you think is going on here?

[Enraged_Ape]

49. Oh, puh-leaze.

You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're joking.

I do agree with you 100% that she should never have been made a political football.

[merh]

50. Legalized murder

Give me a break.

She was dead years ago, keeping her body alive on the machine was insanity.

Go on record all you like, be sure to give your family that same directive should anything happen to you. "Keep my shell alive as long as possible, make me your doll to dress up and prop up for as long as the money and the machines hold out, keep those false hopes and the fairy tale wishes that I might return. Violate god's plan by interfering with my death."

She was dead! You can't murder someone that is DEAD!

[underpants]

52. The "pro lifers" paid for and used her as their political tool

They made this sad situation a political issue.

[merh]

They used her.

They don't care about life or dignity or anything but themselves and their power. :argh: It sickens me and it breaks my heart. :cry:

[underpants]

65. Free advice-when you find yourself in the same crowd as Randall Terry

leave immediately

[merh]

68. Are those the ones coming out of the wood work?

I will take your advice and I thank you. :hi:

[ima_sinnic]

69. what in HELL are you talking about??!!

geesh, where to begin?
"barbaric" to let someone die peacefully who has BEEN DEAD for 15 years?
"should have been turned over to her parents" who brought a FUCKING CIRCUS to a HOSPICE?? who wanted a PET, or a TOY, who had NO FUCKING REGARD FOR Ms. Schiavo and what SHE wanted, only THEIR OWN SELFISH WANTS??
"a husband who wanted her dead"??
get a grip, he tried for years to resuscitate/revive her, restore her--even WENT TO NURSING SCHOOL--and concluded it was hopeless

may such a fate befall someone in your own family so you can see how WRONG, how VERY VERY WRONG you are.

this will probably be deleted, but it felt good to rage against IDIOCY.

[EST]

166. Damn straight!

Not only all that, but, those intellectually challenged maladroits who have risen to the top and been pirouetted into making up the rules the rest of us have to follow, all jump into the mess and mercilessly hound that poor man, accusing him of all sorts of unspeakable acts
Dumbass DeLay even makes thinly veiled threats of violence against "activist" judges - what was it- 22 of them? - who were right all along. These pipsqueak pollyannas have destroyed the good names of so many people.
I don't condone the death penalty, but there are times...

[mondo joe]

73. No, her choice was honored, just as every day people's choice

to not stay on, or begin, life suport is honored.

Why you'd choose to give her to her parents rather than honor her wishes is a mystery to me.

[DesEtoiles]

84. if my brain turns to goo and oozes out my ears, please keep me alive

against my wishes


yeah right

[donco6]

87. Baloney

Legalized murder my ass.

[Zynx]

115. Murder? How? This was legally her decision.

So from that perspective, you could call it suicide if you wanted to, but not murder

[Malikshah]

120. Fine

And I go on record as believing that this view is heartless and inhumane and completely beneath the character of our great nation.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

130. Thanks for proving that there's one in every crowd.

[BiggJawn]

137. Hit and Run

threw this gem out 4 hours ago, and hasn't been back...Maybe they had a brain event and are in a hospice...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

215. 1733 posts and only two in active threads

Yeah.

[Mr_Spock]

145. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: very funny! :rofl:

Thanks for the laugh today!

[geckosfeet]

47. Who would have guessed it after a short 15 years

of doctors diagnoses saying THE SAME DAMN THING!

Hope to God she can rest in peace.

[Mizmoon]

53. Her husband was still wrong IMHO

He should have let her parents take care of her until she died. She was brain dead and it wouldn't have harmed her or bothered her in any way. This was their daughter and they wanted to keep her alive. I don't see why she had to die.

[geckosfeet]

63. Do you know what it takes to properly care for someone confined

to a bed? Take into consideration that she had no consciousness, could not move, drink or eat on her own. Could not respond to pain or discomfort. This kind of care requires daily body inspections, constant body adjustment and monitoring.

In my mind, the cruelty here, the abomination to God and humanity, is hanging on to her like this instead of letting her go to rest in peace. Terri Shciavo died a long time ago. What was left was a shell, a container that is physical in nature.

In situations like this we lose sight of the fact that we hang on for ourselves, for our emotional and spiritual needs. We do not hang on for the well being of our loved one or out of higher spiritual beliefs.

Just because we can keep a body alive indefinitely, does not mean that it is the right thing to do.

[merh]

67. She was dead.

No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Her parents are the sick ones, wanting to keep their daughter as a dress up doll to pretend she sees, she hears, she speaks.

She was dead, had been dead for years.

[mondo joe]

74. Other than it was her wish to NOT be kept alive on life support.

Are you one of the dems who doesn't believe in personal autonomy?

[ima_sinnic]

76. and it didn't matter what SHE wanted??

only what the DELUDED FOOLS and their IDIOT RW "christian" friends wanted?

please be sure to write a living will: if brain-dead, make SURE to prop me up like a doll, use me for your own exploitative ends, keep my artificially alive body in a bed in the livingroom where my total lack of response (except of course what you might IMAGINE) will brighten your every moment. Make sure you devote years to keeping my body alive for no reason at all except that I want to be a burden to everybody until my bodily cells finally give out, or the caretakers of my living corpse die, whichever comes first. Oh, and be sure to call in the media and make big bucks off of book deals and TV appearances, and SHOW MY UNAWARE FACE all over the world for your own greedy ends!!

[donco6]

89. Everyone dies.

She didn't want to live that way. Plain and simple. Proven over and over again.

[calimary]

90. The reason Michael Schiavo stayed in the picture and did NOT hand her

over to her parents is because of court testimony they gave, years ago, in which they eagerly confirmed that they would go to ANY lengths to keep her alive, including open heart surgery on her poor withered body if they thought it would be necessary, AND amputation of any or all of her limbs if her condition deteriorated into gangrene of the extremities. Michael Schiavo saw this wildly intractable viewpoint and said "ENOUGH!" He knew he couldn't leave her in the hands of her parents, for fear of what abnormal, darn near irrational lengths to which they'd go, and to which they'd subject her, in the name of purportedly "keeping her alive." He is also quoted as saying he could not abandon her and allow this to be done to her.

A link for your consideration...

Terri's husband isn't the enemy, guardian says
Published February 25, 2005, by MIKE THOMAS



I received an avalanche of e-mail about Terri Schiavo. The bad information going out on this case is amazing. What is real and what is not? For answers, I turned to University of South Florida professor Jay Wolfson. He was appointed as a guardian ad litem for Terri in 2003 and prepared a report on her for Jeb Bush. After a judge dismissed him in December of that year, Bush and Terri's parents -- Bob and Mary Schindler -- requested he stay on as Terri's guardian. Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo, opposed the request. Wolfson's report is based on court files, depositions, medical records and interviews with everyone involved.

That said, I begin with the most explosive allegation: Did Michael try to kill Terri? Wolfson laughs. "No!"

(snip)

Has Michael withheld treatment?

Wolfson's report states that in the four years after her collapse, Michael "had insistently held to the premise that Theresa could recover and the evidence is incontrovertible that he gave his heart and soul to her treatment and care . . . In late autumn of 1990, following months of therapy and testing and formal diagnoses of persistent vegetative state with no evidence of improvement, Michael took Theresa to California, where she received an experimental thalamic stimulator implant in her brain. Michael remained in California caring for Theresa during a period of several months."

Says Wolfson now: "Michael was adoring of her. One nursing home complained he was hostile and abusive of the staff in championing her care. She was immaculately kept. In 13 years, she never had one bedsore."

(snip)
(THIS IS A CRITICAL PART,BTW)

Why doesn't Michael simply turn Terri over to her family?

From the report: "Testimony provided by members of the Schindler family included very personal statements about their desire and intention to ensure that Theresa remain alive . . . at any and all costs. Nearly gruesome examples were given, eliciting agreement by family members that in the event Theresa should contract diabetes and subsequent gangrene in each of her limbs, they would agree to amputate each limb and would then, were she to be diagnosed with heart disease, perform open-heart surgery. Within the testimony, as part of the hypothetical presented, Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it."

Wolfson told me that when Michael heard this, he said: "That's it. I'm never going to let that happen to her."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/columnists/orl-locmiket25022505feb25,1,1729313.column?ctrack=2&cset=true

[zalinda]

92. Her husband did not make the decision

the courts did. Her husband went to court years after being told there was no hope, and asked the court to decide whether or not to pull the plug. He did not want to be put in the position of making that decision. After a lot of expert testimony the court decided to let her go. The RW got after the parents and that's when all this fuss started.

Let me ask you a question.......would you like to be paraded before the media in that state? She had been a vibrant, pretty young woman who cared very much what she looked like, and would have been horrified at the thought that her picture would be plastered all over the media, looking they way she did. After all, she ended up in this state because she was extreme dieting.

I don't believe her parents had her best interests in mind, when they kept this going. If they had, they would have obeyed the courts, and let her die with dignity, rather than in a circus atmosphere.

zalinda

[calimary]

122. Good point - about the way her parents shamelessly paraded her

video images everywhere, almost as though they were pimping her. If memory serves - I believe I read that they were either not supposed to videotape her, or if they did, they were not allowed to issue that videotape to the public. Either way, just another in a series of violations Schiavo's parents committed against her. AND her marriage. AND her surviving spouse.

I would hope that if such a dreadful event happens to me that my husband would be resolute on my behalf as Michael Schiavo was for Terri. Furthermore, Schiavo never badmouthed his in-laws. He behaved with grace, class, and gentility throughout. On the other hand, HORRIBLE things were said about him, and I don't remember Schiavo's parents or siblings ever coming out to refute those statements, or ask that the randall terrys of the world who were making those statements refrain from doing so, or issue apology or retraction. They just let the fire burn out of control.

[wellst0nev0ter]

167. Schindler's List

Didn't Terri's father sell a list of donors to their grotest cause to conservative mass mailers.

To hell with all of them :grr:

[tblue37]

168. They didn't just issue the videotape--

they put it up for sale!

[HockeyMom]

96. Not the point

The decision was made based on what TERI would have wanted; not what her husband wanted and not what her parents wanted.

As my Mom said to me, "You keep me alive as a veggie and when I do die, I will come back and haunt you for the rest of your natural life."

Would YOU keep somebody alive who thought that just because YOU were wiling to take care of them?

[indie_voter]

99. With all respect, I disagree

She was already dead, her body was kept alive.

According to her husband, she didn't want to live like a vegetable. He was carrying out her wishes as she couldn't speak for herself.

It is a horrible decision, to pull all life support, even knowing it is what your loved one wants. We had to do this for my father this past Christmas.

It will take me years (if ever) to fully come to terms with what happened that day. And this is only after a few days of watching him suffer and he himself being lucid to answer the doctors when they asked if he wanted to be kept alive if there was no hope.

He knew it was hopeless, we knew it was hopeless. I will miss him until I die.

He would have been so hopeful that the DSM would be the final nail for the Bushies.

He was so upset by Kerry's loss and what was happening to this country under Bush. He talked about it the last day he was lucid.

I find myself reaching for the phone or about to email him a link from here (re: DSM) many a time.

My deepest sympathies are with TS's parents, they wanted their little girl alive. However, she died 15 years ago, it was time to put her body out of it's misery.

This is a tragic tragic situation, the government had no place in this fight where there are no winners, everybody lost a valuable member of their family. :(

[Justice]

108. But Terry told people she would not want to be kept alive that way

Courts heard evidence of what Terry told her best friend. Judges accepted that evidence as fact. I originally thought what you suggested, but once I read that - I thought, you know this guy might actually be doing what his wife wanted - and that was more important than what her parents wanted.

[Zynx]

117. Except that it legally was HER, not the husband, that wanted her to die

This is why the parents never had any legal standing - it would be like a set of parents trying to sue to stop their adult son from joining the US Marines.

No legal basis.

[RetroLounge]

128. Don't let those pesky facts get in the way

:eyes:

RL

[Media_Lies_Daily]

131. Newsflash: She was ALREADY dead.

[mike_c]

144. she "died" 15 years ago....

What you saw on television was force-fed preservation. Nothing more.

[Mr_Spock]

146. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! "had to die" hahahahahaha!!!

That is one of the funniest comments I've heard all day!! Who are these people who don't believe in science? Oh, yeah, fundamentalist RW nut jobs!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[phylny]

147. Please, not this again.

She wasn't brain dead. Wasn't. Was not.

She was in PVS. Educate yourself.

[JohnLocke]

154. It was her wishes.

[bettyellen]

162. the family were honest about saying that they didn't care what her wishes

were. And to that end, they made a spectacle of their daughter, exploited her, lied about her and her husband to the point of cruel slander.
yeah, what harm is there in just folding and letting them take her.
maybe they could have had a christian reality show or sell tkts to see her. it's not as if they weren't already selling videos. they could have profitted even more as long as they kept her alive.
i wish someone had the balls to sue those liars. especially that crazy lawyer that claimed to talk to terri the last week of her life. there should be steep penalties for spreading such bullshit.

[daleo]

198. You admit she was brain dead, yet you say she wasn't really dead.

Why would you think it best to keep a brain dead body alive? It could get no pleasure from existence, nor contribute to anyone else's pleasure in life, except to help maintain the parents' delusion. If there is a soul, it was already gone, or worse yet, trapped. I just can't see the rationale.

[westcor]

54. Schiavo autopsy report backs husband - U.S. News - MSNBC.com

MSNBC.COM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8225637/

TAMPA, Fla. - In a victory for Michael Schiavo, a coroner who performed an autopsy on Terri Schiavo reported Wednesday that she suffered from an irreversible brain injury and would not have recovered as her parents insisted was possible. It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused.

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"Her brain was profoundly atrophied," Jon Thogmartin, medical examiner for Florida's Pinellas-Pasco County, told a press conference. "There was massive neuronal loss, or death. This was irreversible and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons."

“The brain weighed 615 grams, roughly half of the expected weight of a human brain," he added.

Thogmartin was joined by Dr. Stephen Nelson, who described her condition as "very consistent with a persistent vegetative state," which is what Michael Schiavo and most doctors had contended was the case.

-snip-


Schiavo died March 31 at the age of 41, nearly two weeks after the feeding tube keeping her alive was removed by a court order sought by her husband, Michael Schiavo.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8225637/

[westcor]

55. Not surprising

Humm wonder what the repubs think now, looks like us democrats always think something, then end up being right, this case in point, and Bush lying about the war.

[Demit]

56. I think the victory was for science, and truth

Very poor taste for MSNBC to term it a "victory" for that poor beleagured man.

[Pachamama]

57. No kidding....You mean the husband was honest? Imagine that...

NewsFlash - She's still dead you Fundie extremist whack jobs....So CNN and Mainstream Media....focus on the real news....

[westcor]

59. its all about the law

The law says the spouse makes the descion based on what the person sick told them. Why would he want her dead?? Her family was going to take care of all the costs, he has moved on and has a new girl and family. He was just doing what she told him

[onehandle]

62. Freeps scream Conspiracy.

Big surprise. She was dead, dumbfucks.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1423304/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1423332/posts

[Contrary1]

82. Bwahahahaha...

they are always good for a laugh. Those Freeps who dare
to disagree are getting beat up pretty good.

[Ilsa]

143. Makes me wonder why they don't look for something

really big about which to form a conspiracy. They picked this? I mean, find something worthwhile, like a conspiracy on evolution, or research about abortion or miscarriage. :lol:

[calimary]

58. Let's all not hold our breath for any adult response from the "adults who

are back in charge."

How soon do you think we'll see tom delay and randall terry and the rest of those DOMESTIC TERRORISTS stepping forward to apologize - to admit they were wrong, and that they overstepped, and to issue a special apology to Michael Schiavo for tormenting and persecuting - and indeed LIBELING AND SLANDERING him?

I wonder if he could sue them for character assassination? Considering his past behavior and track record, I'd guess he's too much of a gentleman to do that, but I sure would think about it seriously if it were me...

[spunky]

60. Well, at least her husband has been exonerated, whether the

fundies believe it or not. I felt so badly for him through that whole thing.

Its amazing, the people in my office who supported her family, all say "of course the autopsy says that," with the emphasis on the says as if its all a bunch of lies.

Its really easy to be right all the time if you only believe what backs you up, I suppose.

[moggie]

93. Surely you're not surprised by that?

These people are anti-science. They didn't accept any informed scientific opinion while her heart was still pumping, so why would they roll over now? I expected three kinds of response:

1. Those evil atheistic doctors are lying, like they did from the start!
   
2. The brain atrophied after death!
   
3. Praise the LAHD, it's a miracle! She was conscious with so little brain left!
   

It's pointless expecting these freaks to engage with the reality-based world.

[0007]

61. Good for Michael Schiavo & pox on those who made a circus

out of Terry Schiavo's life.

If Tom DeLay would now stand up like a man and apologize for being an ass I'd be happy.

[calimary]

150. I just called delay's office to ask that very question and they passed

me around like a hot potato. I was told I should speak to this office or that office or the press office or the Jesusland Dumbfuckistan office. And when I asked to be transfered to the press office, the lady answering the phone there said they were all "in a meeting." My response was, voice dripping with sarcasm, "oh, okay. I get it. Perhaps you'll pass my message along anyway, please?"

[wakeme2008]

66. Yipes UP first they let you out of the lounge to post in GD

Now in LBN....... Two days in a row... slackers....... :)

[underpants]

111. BANGS POTS

:applause: :applause:

[distantearlywarning]

72. In My Opinion....

The Repukes owe Michael Schiavo a public apology. And if he doesn't get it, he should sue them for slander.

[thinkingwoman]

112. I really wish he would sue

Somebody has to take a stand in America against libel and slander hiding behind the name of news.

Michael Schiavo is the only slandered, libeled American in recent memory with the balls to stand up and make a difference.

That being said, I wouldn't blame him if he was tired and just wanted to go back to a somewhat normal life.

[DesEtoiles]

75. Examiner said she was blind-so much for following the red balloon

[ima_sinnic]

77. and she was also deaf, couldn't feel touch, couldn't move any

muscles, couldn't think, couldn't talk

ie, SHE HAD NO BRAIN!

DOH!! imagine that, just like that CT or MRI scan showed YEARS AGO!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

134. I wonder if she could play a mean pinball?

[NuttyFluffers]

169. hahaha! *wipes tear* ahh, *puff cig* that was good... n/t

[MuseRider]

79. Her brain weighed 615 grams?

Normal brains weigh about 1500 grams. It sounds like the CNN anchor would be lucky to have 500 grams. She had a will to live? Bwahahahaha. Of course this does not explain anyone running this country with a 300 gram brain but hey, I'm all for helping the less fortunate.

The right thing was done IMO. I may have not made that decision myself, who knows? Maybe I would have but she certainly was not going to recover.

[BiggJawn]

139. With a brain that small...

She could be governor of Florida....Especially since a lot of what WAS there didn't function.

[deadparrot]

158. Governor? Hell, why not *president*?

:)

[DesEtoiles]

80. Paging Dr. Frist - care to reconsider your first "expert" opinion?

[Ian David]

81. If they didn't kill her, she could have been President some day n/t

[Contrary1]

85. That is certainly true...

Shrub has shown that one not need active brain cells to be appointed president of the US.

[calimary]

94. That's already happened...

Look at the brain-dead specimen we've got in there, now.

[OETKB]

83. Dr. Frist should apologize

We should all write Dr. Frist and demand an apology for his outrageous second guessing of competent evaluation. His untrustworthiness is bad enough and now with these autopsy results he must be made to be conscience bound to bring comfort to those he offended or hurt.

[calimary]

95. I just tried calling the Capitol - (877) 762 - 8762 TOLL FREE

to do that very thing, and all the lines were busy. I'm gonna try again later. He DOES need to do the decent thing for once in his life.

[lady lib]

132. Done. Good idea.

I told whoever answered the phone that Sen. Frist should apologize to Michael for his 2nd hand diagnosis and for politicizing something that was personal.

[calimary]

151. I finally got through, myself. They were in a rawther large hurry to

hang up.

Same thing happened when I called tom delay's office.

They can't be expected to issue any public apology, anyway. They don't think they're ever wrong. And besides, it takes a real adult, mature, rational, informed, discerning, open-minded, and clear-eyed, to do such a thing. Someone with a conscience, and with good character. These "people" don't fit any of those descriptions.

"...the adults are back in charge."

HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've seen whiney, spoiled-brat preschoolers in mid-hissy-fit behave better than these vermin do. FEH on them all.

[UCLA Dem]

97. And the repukes continue to look like the assholes they are.

[barbaraann]

100. terrisfight.org is "undergoing reconstruction"

Ha. Ha. Ha.

[Zynx]

121. Probably removing the balloon video.

[mondo joe]

124. Or preparing to attack the character of the coroner.

[RalphReedsWreckedEm]

101. Will Tom Delay Threaten the Medical Examiner?

I can just hear the bug man now....

"No little Medical Examiner sitting in a autopsy room in Florida is going to usurp the authority of my media blathering."

"The Congress will pursue this, if we have to hold him in contempt of Congress."

"This Medical Examiner and the reality of medical science are well known to be liberal entities that have a different worldview and they're imposing their worldview on the Republican Party."

"No sane person could look at her (Terri Schiavo) and say she's in a persistent vegetative state."


Okay, that last line was word-for-word verbatim from DeLay's disgusting mouth, but I thought it was especially relevant today.....

[lakeguy]

102. will cnn play this for a week straight....nah.

[lady lib]

107. Whoa! Stop the presses!

Once again the right wing is proven WRONG on ALL counts in this case.

[calimary]

152. Paging George Galloway! This is getting to be habitual.

"Everything we said about the (fill in the blank here) turned out to be right, and everything you said about the (fill in the blank here) turned out to be wrong."

He specified the Iraq war. But with the track record of the GOP in the last several years, he could say that about ANY issue that's come up.

[slackmaster]

109. Obviously the medical examiner is in on the Conspiracy

:tinfoilhat:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

110. I really thought we had had this explained to us during

the Karen Ann Quinlan case 30 years ago: people in a persistent vegetative state don't just lie there peacefully like Sleeping Beauty in her castle. They make random movements and noises that can look purposeful but aren't.

[deadparrot]

116. Wow...

Major defeat for Trailer Hitch Jesus.

[janx]

118. Does anyone know where I can get a transcript of the news conference?

The cables cut it off.

[kskiska]

119. I'm glad she's been cremated

I can just see the Schindlers digging her up for a second, third, and fourth autopsy till they get the results they want.

[medeak]

123. Terry's Dad just on CNN

the man will not give up attacking her husband. Said if husband had called for help sooner (rather than letting lie there and die) she could have been rehabilitated.

[ronnykmarshall]

126. Join in and trash the yahoo boards!

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=&board=37138445&tid=nmrightsschiavodc&sid=37138445&action=m&mid=92106

There are so many clueless freer types there.

[lady lib]

133. My first time on a yahoo board.

Some of the comments are a riot. It's worth checking out just for the entertainment value.

[ronnykmarshall]

135. It's not worth trying to argue

Do what I did and just spoof the Freeptards.

[lady lib]

138. Is the "fancy pants LIEberal" post yours?

It's really good.

[ronnykmarshall]

141. Yup

I love messing w/ these peeps.

[lady lib]

155. :) !!

[NeoConsSuck]

159. Nice subject line on that board

Smear Boat Vegetables for Truth.

I guess the commie pinko progressives have arrived on that board.

[mondo joe]

140. Sorry, but Dr. Jesus Christ disagrees with these findings!

Ah, Faith Based Science!

[plasticsundance]

142. MSNBC's question ...

"Is the controversy over?" :eyes:

These people in the US-State-controlled-corporate-media are such vulgar vulture bastards. They're outta a control, spinning this once great nation torwards a train wreck.

As for the far-right theocrats, their behavior in this case speaks volumes about their principles. Yes, they want to keep Terri Schiavo alive just so it conforms to their beliefs. How pathological can that be?

They don't give a damn about Terri Schiavo. Nor do the parents care. They're all just small-minded, selfish, and intellectually underdeveloped.

I can't belief I'm reading democrats on this thread rejecting the science in this case, or simply ignoring it as to not lose their naive perception.

Here's a quote for the far-right theocrats. It's from Revelations 9:6. I understand they all love that suspenseful thriller:

During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

Here's another:

He who lacks time to mourn lacks time to mend.
------- William Shakespeare

[youspeakmylanguage]

149. Forget about the radical fundie fringe admitting they were wrong...

They believe that angels watch over them and god grants miracles. They believe that the earth was created in a week, that men walked on water and turned water into wine, not to mention rose from the dead.

It won't be difficult for them to dismiss more scientifically-based conclusions, especially ones that contradict their pathetic little worldview.

[bettyellen]

163. or the 3 or 4 DUers who also slandered Michael and parroted Faux News

talking points.
I see they're not interested in Schiavo threads based on science instead of innendo.

[janx]

165. Actually, I was very favorably impressed by the DUers

who were fooled at first but who honestly researched the situation and found out the truth. Most of this had to do with the human brain.

[youspeakmylanguage]

204. There are a few in every crowd...

Plus, without breaking the rules by being too specific, I'm sure at least a few of them were freepers in disguise.

[MadisonProgressive]

156. The awe inspiring logic of the freeper:

To: Lion in Winter
I'm sure I'm a mess too because I drink coca cola like it's going out of style but they are blaming the victim. Terri was murdered by judicial homicide. If Judge Greer and his buddies backing up one piece of paper, the mandate to murder her, Terri would be alive right now.
These autopsy results should go to the US Congress and to Dr. Bill Frist and Dr. Dave Weldon because they disagree that Terri was PVS.

This is a whitewash. Now they are saying she can't register any thought. But, when Terri found out the tube was coming out, she tried to say "I want to live." Terri started crying because Terri knew what it meant when the tube was coming out.

Then the police threw the family out of the room and she was murdered.

REMEMBER, THESE SHILLS NEVER MET TERRI EITHER. Neither did rogue Judge Greer.


148 posted on 06/15/2005 8:28:03 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.terrisfight.org & www.conservative-spirit.org... The Schindlers "Never again.")
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[Czolgosz]

157. So apparently Sen. Frist can't diagnose a patient by watching a home movie

So apparently Sen. Frist (R-Assholeville) can't diagnose a patient by watching a home movies taken at the hospital. What a shock. I'm sure we will be hearing from his office when he issues an apology shortly.

[sabra]

170. Terri Schiavo's husband believes autopsy results support him

<<SNIP>>
http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=3479009

Terri Schiavo's husband believes autopsy results support him

DUNEDIN, Fla. A lawyer for Michael Schiavo (SHY'-voh) says the autopsy results on Schiavo's brain-damaged wife back up what he's been saying for years.

Attorney George Felos (FEE'-lohs) pointed out that the doctors who performed the autopsy concluded that the results were "very consistent" with a persistent vegetative state. He says that confirms what Michael Schiavo had been saying -- that his wife had no hope of recovery.

Felos also pointed to the finding that Terri Schiavo was blind. He says this refutes the claims by the woman's parents that she was able to see them and react to them.

And, Felos says the autopsy confirmed that Terri Schiavo hadn't been physically abused.

He says Michael Schiavo is "pleased" to hear the "hard science."

<</SNIP>>

[calimary]

171. He has every right to sue weasels like randall terry and tom delay

for slander. I hope he does. But he's behaved sufficiently gentlemanly through all this that I doubt he will. He probably would just like to get on with his life, after having it held hostage by Bible-thumping busy-bodies, along with his brain-damaged wife, for all those years. I wouldn't blame him.

[whistle]

178. I think he does and I think he should sue Randall Terry and

...Tom Delay and anyone else who persists on slandering him. As for Terry Schiavo's parents, they need to be muzzled by the courts. There is something deranged about both the father and the mother to be in total non-stop denial about the condition of their daughter and laying the blame on Michael Schiavo. This has gone on far too long in the public area. The other person who needs to be censured about this is Gov. Jeb Bush who used this case for political gain and capital and who has wasted millions of Florida taxpayer dollars for his own career glorification. Terry Schiavo should be allowed to rest in peace and dignity.

[Maddy McCall]

186. Honestly, I think he has more class than to do that.

He has handled the whole situation with dignity. Unlike her parents---who will probably sue Delay and Terry, since that seems to be the type of people that they are.

[Czolgosz]

202. Just checking your thinking here: people who use the legal system to

seek justice are not classy but people who allow others to defame them and their dead spouse for political purposes without any repercussions are classy?

Priscilla Owen? Is that you?

[gratuitous]

172. It's easy to see why he "believes" that

Because it's fucking TRUE! It's not a matter of "belief" or anything like it -- it's a matter of rock-hard, stone-cold, medical fact.

[Kipling]

173. Short Version: Micheal Schiavo unequivocally right all along

Now who would have suspected that?

[hadrons]

174. I got this email ....

Check that again - "she appears to respond to visual stimuli, said Frist, despite an autopsy that now shows she was blind.

Now, hear me - some people will say this means Frist is a bad doctor, or that he had no basis diagnosing Schiavo from some edited video, or that the's just a big fat liar who wanted to appease a buch of people who wanted to keep Schiavo alive for political reasons.

I disagree. I think ,folks, that we have proof of a real life miracle here! Think about it - Schiavo, according to "science," was not capable of sight - but she saw nonetheless! Think about it! How can you trust "science" when God works in mysterious ways! He can, as we know, give sight to the blind - and He did it for Terry! It's a miracle, and more proof that God is the one true truth, and that the righteous Senator Frist saw the true Path in trusting to God and his miracles, and not some liberal secularist doctors and their "science!"

We need to make sure that these sinning doctors cannot sprad the heretical, lying creed of "biology" and "medicine" anymore, sine it conflicts with and denies God's power and glory and love of all His children! We need to burn down teh medical schools and hospitals, all dens of heathen iniquity that deny God's power and word! And we need to make sure that only God-loving men like Doctor Frist are among our leaders, that the hole Word of God replaces liberal, secularist "laws" in our courts!

Bothers and Sisters, we need to overthrow the tyrrany of "science" and "medicine" and "earhtly laws" and put our grat nation black in the Righteous hand of God!

Are you with me, Brothers and Sisters?!

....

Sad thing, I'm not sure its a parody or not

[ElectroPrincess]

175. This is bizarre!

"Think about it - Schiavo, according to "science," was not capable of sight - but she saw nonetheless!"

Yeah, right! Now take your meds. :P

[Freedom_from_Chains]

176. Or they might say

"some people will say this means Frist is a bad doctor, or that he had no basis diagnosing Schiavo from some edited video, or that the's just a big fat liar who wanted to appease a buch of people who wanted to keep Schiavo alive for political reasons."

He's all of the above.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

177. Man, if you are not a fundamentalist preacher in real life.

You missed your true calling. You could make a fortune these days with that line of BS. :toast:

[Ferry Fey]

179. How long was she blind?

You can of course supply documentation showing how far back she would have been blind?

[moobu2]

182. Why not just read the autopsy report

I think that's considered "documentation".

Terri suffered hypoxia (oxygen cut of from her brain) that caused her brain damage. That occurred over 15 years ago. Logic should tellyou she was blind for all those years.

[moobu2]

183. Here's a link to the autopsy report

Terri's sight center in her brain was destroyed over 15 years ago through hypoxia. That means she was blind since day 1.

Here's your documentation.
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/autopsyreport.pdf

[dave29]

181. oy

n/t

[Soup Bean]

206. That's parody......

...but there are some folks who would agree with it...until they themselves were sick.

[PlanetBev]

180. Is anyone here surprised by the Schindler's reaction?

These people are hard-wired for denial. They can't bear to admit they were wrong. If you really love someone, you have to know when to let them go. They were keeping her alive out of their own selfishness. Sometimes it takes courage to say goodbye.

My brother-in-law died in February of a blood clot one week after a routine angioplasty. The paramedics worked on him for twenty minutes, but could not revive him. If Jack had lived through the loss of oxygen, he would have been left an asparagus. Nobody in my family, including my sister and her children, could have been able to bear to see him like that.

I lost any use for the Schindlers when they single-handedly resurrected that fame-seeker loser, Randall Terry, and dragged the country through all that unnecessary bullshit.

[DearAbby]

184. Terri has been the cash cow for these people...even after her death

they have been using her. They will deny this report and keep denying it until the last penny comes in. Then it's over.

[DanCa]

185. I agree

I just hope by the end of next week that these freaks will finally stop exploitng this poor woman. I also hope that one of the other memebers of the hospice where that sick freak Hannity aired his show sues for disturbing the peace. Everyday these people disgust me more and more.

[Maddy McCall]

187. That's why I wouldn't be surprised to see them sue Frist for malpractice

Remember, he diagnosed her after watching a video, and he IS a physician.

Wouldn't that be the most ironic twist to this whole epic?

[bettyellen]

191. i love the way your mind works.

:applause:

[Maddy McCall]

193. Either that, or it will finally dawn on these parents how shamefully...

they handled their daughter's situation. Can you imagine having had the opportunity to embrace her husband and to be a part of her last days--which they could have, had they not engaged in an unnecessary feud with Michael--but instead trivializing and media-izing every single minute of her last days?

They are certainly going to realize how the right betrayed them. I wonder if they will accept their realization with grace, or with the usual controversial manner that they have engaged everything they have been a part of, in the past several years.

It's their loss. They lost their daughter, and they lost any chance to hold their heads high through the period of her death to now.

I almost pity those people...if they weren't so despicable.

[hyphenate]

194. At least she's no longer around

to be their toy. She's now at peace with her soul, which probably fled the scene 15+ years ago.

[sidpleasant]

214. The Schindler - Schiavo feud was started by her father's greed

The NY Times did an article on the history of the relationship between the families and said that they had been close until after the malpractice suit was settled in Terri's favor. According to the Times, Mr. Schindler said something like "so how much do I get?" to Michael Schiavo. Schiavo was completely disgusted by his father - in - law's greed and things went downhill from there.

[lolly]

217. "Cash Cow"

Unfortunately, I think that describes the Schindler's whole attitude.

If I recall correctly, the original rift with Michael Schiavo came about after he won the settlement from the doctors who originally treated her. He had already spent thousands of dollars in taking care of her, and faced thousands more in continuing care, and Daddy Schindler demanded a "cut" of the money--as if this was some sort of lottery prize he'd won, and Daddy wanted a share of the ticket.

They ended up in blows over it, and stopped speaking.

[wallwriter]

188. Actually, Terry Schiavo was a Republican - half of her brain was dead!!

[Maddy McCall]

189. I have a wonderful sense of humor...

but that's not funny.

[Xipe Totec]

190. Michael Schiavo Should be a model to all of us

He did not abandon his wife to her fate. He did right by her, despite unbelievable obstacles.

That took real balls.

[IndianaGreen]

192. Autopsy reports do support Michael Schiavo's position

and, as a former critic of his tactics, I admit I was wrong about him and I issue a public apology.

[janx]

196. Awwww...!

:hug:

And yet...this situation was so awful. I remember being close to tears and shaking when I called my senators about it.

But think of what it did, ultimately. It not only exposed the crooks and liars, but (if you take a look at the autopsy report)...

Terri Schiavo's autopsy, and the fact that Michael Schiavo authorized that autopsy, will benefit medical science for many years to come. The neuropathologist made some comparisons and hinted at questions when he wrote his report. His findings were very exact, and any previously documented findings upon which he based his findings were scrupulously cited.

He made some interesting discoveries. Maybe that's why, during the press conference, the medical examiner stated that the findings would continue to be studied.

Terri Schiavo's death goes far beyond the political, and Michael Schiavo was the one who allowed that to happen. :toast:

[TalkingDog]

195. Bush administration says Schiavo autopsy doesn't change their position.

"We have brains half normal size too, and we function fine"

(stolen from Fark)

[Placebo]

197. LOUSY LIBERAL ATHEIST ACTIVIST CORONERS!

:crazy:

[porkrind]

199. This makes Frist look like even more of a douchebag.

So much for his fucking video diagnosis. What a crooked quack.

[NoShelter]

200. Hey, you can live with half a brain.

That is, if you're a Republican.

Seriously, though, the amount of attention focused on this poor woman is terrible. Why can't social conservatives just leave her the hell alone? This was, and in my mind remains, a family affair. It does not require the attention of Bill Frist and Co.

[taught_me_patience]

203. Welcome to DU!!

:hi:

[leftofthedial]

201. and yet, the media and the country will allow the same

kind of frenzy to ensue the next time the fundy right decides to moralize over the issue of human choice.

[holboz]

205. Frist acknowledges the corners were "exactly right"

Bits of article from The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5078458,00.html)


Frist, R-Tenn., said he never made his own diagnosis but did argue there wasn't enough information about Schiavo's condition to justify allowing her husband to remove her feeding tube against her parents' wishes.

``I raised the question, 'Is she in a persistent vegetative state or not?' I never made the diagnosis, never said that she was not. I did say that certain tests should be performed to determine that before starving her to death,'' Frist said in the interview.

<snip>

``I question it based on a review of the video footage. ... And that footage, to me, depicted something very different than persistent vegetative state,'' Frist said at the time

<snip>
``The diagnosis they made is exactly right. It's the pathology, I'll respect that. I think it's time to move on,'' Frist said on CBS' ``The Early Show.''

[Mister K]

207. Link to full report for those who are interested

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/06/15/schiavoreport.pdf

[Dangerously Amused]

209. Circus of the Macabre. Make it stop! Make it stop!

"...he Schindlers ... plan to discuss the autopsy with other medical experts and may take some unspecified legal action."

Hello? Take LEGAL action? WHAT legal action? Just WHAT the HELL is there left to exploit??? Oh sorry, I mean... take legal action on?!!?

No wait, let me guess. Tom De Lay will subpoena Terri's ashes, so Bill Frist can examine them and declare that Terri is not actually dead, but simply in a "persistent crematorial state." Then Bush can fly out of Crawford at midnight to sign legislation stating that human ashes are included in his "culture of life," and deserve every shot at life they can get.

Then Randall Terry can whip the ConXtians up into a frenzy over all over again, convincing them that Terry is just really, REALLY dehydrated, and what with a little holy water, some ol' fashioned preyin' and a few more donations, she'll bounce right back.

And the money will once again start flowing into the Schindler's exploitative website.


Sick. Sick. Sick.

[Quadrajet]

213. Breasts: Not Remarkable

"Breasts: Not Remarkable"

Damn that liberal Medical Examiner!

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