Newsmax: Sen. Durbin: Gitmo GI's Behaved Like 'Nazis'

[sabra]

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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/6/15/214234.shtml

Sen. Durbin: Gitmo GI's Behaved Like 'Nazis'

Illinois Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin compared U.S. troops to Hitler's concentration camp guards on Tuesday, saying that the way American soldiers treated terrorists at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay reminded him of the "Nazis."

Citing FBI accounts of terrorist detainees forced to go without heat or air conditioning, Durbin told the Senate:

"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings."
"Sadly, that is not the case," added the number two Senate Democrat. "This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners."

Durbin's comments outraged radio host Rush Limbaugh, who was the first to broadcast the Illinois Democrat's remarks.

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[librechik]

1. Nazis hate it when you call them Nazis

they better get used to it.

[neurochaos]

71. I SMELL FEAR

THEY SEE WHATS COMING AND ARE TRYING EVERYTHING TO STOP IT. TOO LATE. REPUKES ARE GONNA TAKE ANYTHING THATS SAID ABOUT THEM AND TRY TO DEFLECT IT TO TAKE THE ATTENTION OFF THEM. :scared:

[rateyes]

2. Limbaugh is outraged!!!!

I can't believe it. I guess Durbin owes him an apology. NOT.
:sarcasm:

[Occulus]

58. If Rush is angry, it must be the truth. n/t

[saigon68]

83. His PROBLEM is still the PESKY BOIL on his ASS

It apparently won't go away---That's why he's so angry all the time.

[Gman]

3. Newsmax & Rush: Get TF over it

Next the American troops will be making light shades at Gitmo.

[saigon68]

23. Nice

[steve2470]

108. your nazi photo, is that from a movie ? nt

[pokercat999]

28. We do have the same helmets, maybe the likeness goes deeper. nt

[formercia]

34. You might have something there

I'm sure people in the countries we invade get that impression too.

[fishnfla]

4. They sure as hell aint behaving like Americans

That place cannot represent what our country stands for, no way.

[NashVegas]

5. Durbin's All Over the RW Blogosphere Tonight

If this is the best they have to divert attention from DSM, this is sad.

It is a little over the top, though.

[alcuno]

6. Durbin's an IL senator.

There's no controversy.

[The Traveler]

7. Limbaugh is no American

True Americans do not stand for this kind of thing. True Americans reject those who do. If you stand for this, then you are not an American. Go some where where this kind of behavior is tolerated.

[bread_and_roses]

11. Yes!

Maybe it's time to turn the old "love it or leave it" on its' head: "if you want to live in a Country that sanctions torture, go live in Saudi Arabia; if you want to live in a One Party totalitarian State, how about emigrating to North Koream" etc.

As someone who (like many) heard "love it or leave it" far too many times during the Vietnam years, I would take a certain satisfaction in saying that.

[The Traveler]

18. Glad to know

I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

I been saying things like this to people's faces. It really rocks their world. Too bad.

You believe torture is OK? Then you must not be American. Get the fuck out of my country.

You believe lying to Congress and the people to build support for a war is OK? Then you must not be an American. Get the fuck out of my country.

You believe you have the right to interfere with a man or woman's life style choices? Judgment is God's ... you think it is right to play God? You must not be American. There is no divine right of kingship here. Get the fuck out of my country.

You keep your company here and write censorship software for China? You're not an American. Get out.

You wanna sell the American people out to make a fast buck and call it "globalization"? You're not one of us. Get out.

[Algomas]

25. Beautiful, traveler, my sentiments exactly!

[nmliberal]

70. I really like the way you frame nt

[benburch]

8. GO DURBIN!!!

ILLINOIS LOVES YOU!

[Kittycat]

17. Gotta Love Living in Illinois

Go Durbin!!!

[CityDem]

75. Keep kicking ass

Go Durbin -- I hope other senators follow suit. We need to get agressive to rid ourselves of these ruthless bastards.

[Hobarticus]

9. Limbaugh: " I know Nazis, Senator...I am one!"

Herr Bullshitmeister Limbaugh, reporting for duty!

[kskiska]

10. And who is it that keeps referring to Feminazis?

…ah, I can't remember. Could it be…

[proud patriot]

15. Exactly

High five there ,, He's been calling women
Femi nazi's and called suffragists cows .

x(

[K8-EEE]

20. Yeah According To Rush Half The US Female Population Are Nazis

so what can we expect. Them Feminazis must be working at Gitmo Rush!

[jwirr]

12. MSM may not broadcast news but

these rw talking parrots certainly help us to get the news out. Now if their listeners would just start to realize that "they protest too much" it would work.

[deminks]

13. Sen. Durbin Stands by Guantanamo Remarks

CHICAGO - Sen. Dick Durbin refused to apologize Wednesday for comments he made on the Senate floor comparing the actions of American soldiers at Guantanamo Bay to Nazis, Soviet gulags and a "mad regime" like Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot's in Cambodia.

Durbin did not plan to apologize for the comments, spokesman Joe Shoemaker said.

"This administration should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorizing torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," Durbin said in a statement Wednesday evening.

(snip)(emphasis mine)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050616/ap_on_go_co/guantanamo_durbin


:applause:

[teryang]

22. Great remarks

So glad to hear this.

[McIntyre]

26. Write to Durbin

and thank him for his courage to not only say what he did, but also for his refusal to apologize. http://durbin.senate.gov/contact.cfm

[EST]

63. Sen. Durbin has made us all proud.

Here is the e-mail I sent and I mean every word of it!

Dear Sen. Durbin,
Although you and I have exchanged quite a number of letters, notes and e-mails over the last few years, I would be hard pressed to select any other occasion of greater pride and satisfaction in being a long term resident of Illinois as well as being represented by a gentleman of such courage and integrity as yourself.
Your steadfast devotion to public service as well as your most recent aiming of the spotlight of truth at the dark, secretive, and apparently ethically slippery neocon aspirants to the positions of power in this country has not gone unnoticed by the millions of angry and determined voters here and all across the nation.
Please feel free to call on us for any assistance you may need to sort out the rat warren of intrigue and slimy politics that seems to have become the norm in Washington, today. With leaders of the stature of Representative Conyers and yourself in this battle to preserve the constitution and reclaim our beloved country, the fight, no doubt, will still be long and hard, but the ultimate victory seems so much more assured.

With thanks to the both of you, especially for your stands on the recent DSM and GITMO issues, you guys are wonderful!

Sincerely,




Conyers, Dean, Durbin, Boxer - our sort of secret weapon. Truth makes terrific ammunition.

Edited to add: And don't forget Reid!!

[bunkerbuster1]

35. It's important to note he wasn't just talking about Nazis, here

he was making a broad reference to totalitarianism, using several examples. Is it harsh, and intended to draw attention and fire? Yes, of course it is.

But in the case of our official policy toward "enemy combatants," where ANYONE can be deemed such a critter and hauled off and kept rotting without official charges, let alone a trial, it's not out of line.

[confludemocrat]

72. Where's Biden "the moderate" to provide some moderation here?

Or is it that he only attacks courageous Democrats, never defends them? This is his issue supposedly.

[confludemocrat]

74. Rightwing attacks en masse--how about Demos defend en masse?

Where are they now? So ready to go after Dean, so silent now.

[MasonJar]

14. Especially the generals and the Bush administration.

[xray s]

16. Do we know GI's are responsible?

Could it be BushCo's SS, the "private contractors" who are above both civilian and military law, carrying out the Nazi torture at Gitmo?

[K8-EEE]

19. Limbaugh Outraged? Wow! How Highly Unusual....

He's NEVER outraged! This must be serious...

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[leesa]

21. No. They work for Nazis who have ordered them to behave that way.

BushCo are the Nazis.

[rucky]

32. they can disobey an illegal order.

plenty of blame to go around for everyone. and if anybody accuses you of bashing the troops, then ask them who should be blamed. Because I agree, accountability should be at the top.

[Rex]

24. Looks like he upped the ante on Dean.

Maybe Biden should ask himself how those troops got that way. At least Biden is doing something!

[CJCRANE]

27. Sloppy.

The article describes the detainees as "terrorists". They are "alleged terrorists".

[Tesla]

29. They haven't even had a trial ....

to be judged as terrorists!!!

[saigon68]

109. The Bush Criminals view of due process

LOCK EM UP DANNO

[maxrandb]

31. It's Newsmax???

What do you expect?

This so called news source is on par with Star Magazine, and the National Inquirer. Only difference is Star Magazine is more "accurate".

These are the folks that publish the "Clinton Raped Hillary to Conceive Chelsea" type stories.

Matter of fact, I think Sen Dan Burton worked for them in the field of measuring what a bullet does to a watermelon, or something like that.

It's not news, and belongs in GD, if it belongs anywhere.

Maybe DU should have a "Right-Wing/Neo-con Propaganda Forum" where we could post trash like this from Newsmax, Faux, American Spectator, the Washington Times, etc....

[LynnTheDem]

30. No wonder rightwingnuts are so ignorant.

"TERRORISTS"??? "TERRORIST detainees"??? Does newsmarx think the detainees at Gitmo Gulag did 911??? If they're all "terrorists", how come bush keeps releasing them as innocent??? How come none have been charged 4 years later???

And ya gotta LOVE the lie that Durbin was calling them Nazis because of no heat or AC.

Rightwingnuts; stupidest MFers on the planet.

[Fluffdaddy]

33. IF Sen. Dick Durbin " did" compared our U.S. troops to 'Nazis' FUCK HIM

He should resign his office. My son is Not a Nazis. My boy is in the Army protecting his Big fucking mouth. I really hope Durbin did not really say this. This kind of shit hurts. We will never get back in power with idiots saying crap like this. He should know better
Nazis!!!!!!!!!!!...............FUCK HIM

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Ay yay yay

Try valium.

[Fluffdaddy]

40. I need more then a Valium . Sometimes We are our worst enemy

ahhhhhh :-(

[chopper]

41. i'll get flamed for this...

but if your son is torturing people, then the comparison is pretty apt. durbin didn't compare all us soldiers to nazis, he compared people who tie others up and torture them to nazis.

sorry.

[Fluffdaddy]

44. You don't use the word 'Nazis' in the same paragraph with our Boys

He should know better. As a Life long DEM "30 years" I would vote against him if I could.

[chopper]

46. screw that..

you don't get a free pass for torturing people just because you wear a uniform. the goopers are trying hard to change the subject from 'do you or do you not condemn the use of torture' (which is a losing issue for them, since they support the use of torture) to 'how vociferously should the dems denounce torture'.

its bullsh1t. plain and simple.

[Fluffdaddy]

47. Sen. Dick Durbin change the subject for them.......Dumb

Never give your Enemies a big stick to hit you over the head with

[maddezmom]

48. no, Newsmax and Limbaugh are trying to change the subject

Durbin was talking about what he read from an FBI agent's report on treatment by US GI's at Gitmo. Repubs want to talk about Durbin's comments, not the reports of abuse by the FBI.

[Don Claybrook]

66. He DID use the word Nazi, and he was right

Can you please explain where you think Senator Durbin misspoke?

[alcibiades_mystery]

68. Nazi is as Nazi does

Our boys or otherwise.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

94. i'm comfortable with the term being applied to torturers

nt

[Kraklen]

55. If our U.S. troops acted like nazis

fuck them.

[Occulus]

59. *snort* yeah, okay.

I would suggest you do some reading regard conditions inside Nazi prison camps before you go spouting off about how wrong the guy is. As it happens, he's right.

Oh, and while nobody said anything at all about your son specifically, it is those who equate the actions of some soldiers or guards with all of them that keeps people from revealing the truth about that place.

Stop apologizing for the torturers at Gitmo. It is that which makes our nation look bad.

[blueheeler]

77. That was only a small excerp from the speech

Read his whole speech to put it into perspective. Here is a link to the original, WSJ editorial(Go figure!!)
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/

Then read what comes before and after that small piece. You gotta remeber these nuts will edit out what they want to get what they want!!

(Just click the headline Durbin Supports The Troops for a PDF of speech!)

Relax:beer:

[CTLawGuy]

107. he did not compare ALL troops to Nazis,

Just the ones torturing detainees.

Please read carefully before exploding.

Thank you :)

[Singular73]

36. This will be trouble....

*sigh*

[Fluffdaddy]

37. Big Trouble. With us finally getting Movement on DSM, Why shoot

ourself in the foot by comparing our sons and daughters to Nazis ?

[0007]

51. If the shoe fits, why hold back?

Blame junior not Senator Durbin. From the photos I've seen and the stories I've heard I have to agree with the Senator.

Why sugar coat it?

[Singular73]

54. Yes, a perfect Demoratic Platform! Our soldiers are NAZI's

/head explodes.

Yeah, thats gonna win votes.

[0007]

61. It will just make voters want to thrown out the acting Nazi party (GOP)

and its nasty Hitler type leader. George W. Bush

[SlavesandBulldozers]

95. well it's better than winning on lies, a la the nazi RW

nt

[enough already]

103. It's the truth

If America can't handle the truth, the hell with 'em, they ain't voting for us anyway.

[Occulus]

60. Did it EVER occur to you that perhaps some of them ARE Nazis?

Did you ever wonder if people who think the white "race" is supreme might join the military? Did you ever wonder if they act like the white "race" is supreme while they're there?

Did you ever wonder if the military intentionally put those people at that prison, because it knows they'll "do the job"?

Have you ever heard a soldier or former soldier call an Arab a "raghead"? "Dune coon"? "Sand nigger"? I have... and all three reprehensible phrases came out of the same man's mouth, in the same conversation.

The comparison, in some cases, is apt, and shamefully so.

[Singular73]

84. Oh please....

You are missing the point, completely.

We dont need a democratic senator characterizing our soldiers as NAZI's for gods sakes.

If you can't understand why, I can't help you.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

96. if you can't understand how SOME of our troops are acting like Nazis

perhaps you aren't paying attention.

Are you mischaracterizing his statement to say that all of our troops nazis?

[Don Claybrook]

67. We wouldn't want the truth to get in the way of our "message"

Or am I mistaken? Do you advocate for our elected officials to tell the truth, or don't you?

[Singular73]

85. The truth?

Comparing the American military to Nazi's is a characterization. It has nothing to do with any kind of real truth.

But the main point is, that its politically damaging for us.

Get it?

[Don Claybrook]

93. I get it. Do you?

I love the irony of the patriot act tape-over-mouth poster that you're using as a signature. One would at first assume that you are, with the picture, protesting the provisions of the Patriot Act. Upon further consideration, it seems like a more straightforward message from you that we had all better 'watch what we say', Fleischer-style.

I choose not to spend my time trying to appease right wing fuckheads. What you do with your time is, of course, your own choice, but please don't attempt to drag me into your cowering stance. I'm not going.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

99. Don, you're a class act

keep up the good work.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

98. would you compare the soldiers at Abu Ghraib to nazis?

because I sure as fuck would.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

97. bingo

:)

[indepat]

38. Tactics might be a little severe, but GITMO ain't no gulag even though

detainees can be held in perpetuity.

[lisby]

53. WTF?

How do you define gulag? What the fuck is Gitmo, then--a Really Tough Campout? High Security Assisted Living? Look at the issue divorced from 9-11. We have set up a place where people can be taken, tortured, and held indefinitely without charge and without the Geneva Convention applying. If the people were Swedes or South Carolinians would we even be trying to assign this a shade of gray?

Lisby

[indepat]

80. You haven't been around long enough to know I sometimes forget to end

with :sarcasm:

[Singular73]

86. How do you define Gulag? Simple.

Gulag's were forced LABOR camps where millions of Russians died.

If anything, Gitmo resembles a small-scale concentration camp, but certainly not a Gulag.

Even that is not fair, as the INTENT is not to kill these guys(as opposed to concentration), just to torture them for information.

Maybe its something uniquely American lol.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

101. HIgh security Assisted Living

bahahahhaha :rofl:

[SlavesandBulldozers]

100. ah, this is what we've come to

"Well, at least it isn't a concentration camp!"

[Catchawave]

42. J.D. Hayworth was ragging and ranting about

Durbin on Imus this morning. Very Zell Millerish, and sounded like he was reading from a script.

Newsmax isn't one of the more fair and balanced news sources is it, LOL!

[chopper]

43. we can't win.

goopers in congress compare the dems to nazis for something stupid and trivial, no one seems to care.

a dem in congress compares people to nazis for tying up and torturing people, and everybody gets pissed.

only in america do you piss people off by denouncing torture.

a war criminal is a war criminal is a war criminal.

[Fluffdaddy]

45. This will Kill any momentum with had with DSM............DAMN

What the Hell was he thinking ?

[maddezmom]

50. ya think?

I certainly doubt one comment from one senator about Gitmo is going to stop the momentum of the DSM. But that's just me. :D

[0007]

52. Get a grip it isn't gonna kill anything.

I'll back the Senator 110%.

[Nihil]

56. Probably thinking he was an old-time American ...

... you know, back when most Americans used to have brains rather than
just the odd one or two that are left today ...

This is the second senior Democrat recently who's fallen foul of this
mistake. I mean, what naivety: expecting the people to listen to the
message rather than just go into hyperspace about a single word ...

I feel sorry for you if your kid is in the US Army at the moment.
He might well be in the vast majority of troopers who care, who don't
blindly obey orders, who retained their moral compass beyond basic
training ... but he IS going to get tarred with the same damn brush
as the ones who commit the atrocities and all of your (justified)
indignation on an internet forum isn't going to change that.

[EST]

73. The inordinate amount of difficulty establishing and maintaining

a clear communication here, amongst friends, certainly highlights the near impossibility of clarity and understanding across the great "divide."

Of course, battle fatigue and outrage burnout has most of us a little jumpy.

[malmapus]

49. But they get Pita bread and Lemon chickon!!!!!

Where's the torture in that??? :sarcasm:

[JohnyCanuck]

57. If they rape children with broomsticks,

what the hell are they doing to the adults, serving them pita bread sandwiches with no mayo perhaps?


Hersh: children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos

From Daily Kos' partial transcript of a video (link to REAL stream) of Seymour Hersh speaking at an ACLU event. He says the US government has videotapes of children being raped at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

" Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

There's also a piece worth reading in this week's Newsweek about new allegations of rape and sexual torture at Abu Ghraib. Feature includes details on the identities of the Iraqi prisoners shown in those widely-circulated photographs -- including Satar Jabar (charged with carjacking, not terrorism), whose iconic hooded figure with wires attached is derisively described by many Iraqis as the "Statue of Liberty."

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh_children_raped.html

[Kurovski]

62. I love how Duncan Hunter thinks it's hunky-dorey

in torture-ville because they serve up Pita and oven-fried chicken.

He must think we're complete idiots. What a desperately hopeless, morally adrift asshole he is.

BTW, IMO Sen. Durbin is one of our best.

[BenDavid]

76. Is this the same Duncan Hunter

that got up on the House floor back in either late 03 or 04 when the Iraq Supplemental was being debated and said, " American soldiers have all the body armor they need and that all the humvees are now equipped with armor plating". That Duncan Hunter.....

[Igel]

64. Read Shalamov.

Most any of his Kolyma Tales. Or maybe Solzhenitsyn.

Then get back to me on the GULag reference. At least 10-20 percent of the detainees should be dead by now.

Gitmo isn't even up to Milosevic's pathetic concentration camp standards, much less that of the masters.

[RetroLounge]

65. Are these the same dumb phuck right wingers

who call Senator Clinton "Hitlery"?

Hmmmm, methinks the Repug Nazis don't like being called Nazis.

Well, tough shit, they are.

RL

[democrat_patriot]

69. Savage was outraged as well. Shocker there.

Randi had a commercial so I flipped over.

He likened it to a Senator defending German prisoner treatment during WW2.

I was like: Yeah and it's like we went to war with Autralia instead of Japan. You asshat.

Savage is kinda dumb. But he is consistent.

[blueheeler]

78. This is not what it sounds like!!!!!!

It was taken from The WSJ editorials and it is only a clip of the speech!!

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/

Click the headline for a PDF of the rest. Read it in context because you know that is why it was posted this way!!!!

[Robbien]

87. Yes and its no wonder some posters are pushing the rabid right outrage

Looks as if the right wing has sent out their people to push their smear campaign here. The GOP sponsors torture so they are rapidly spinning a smear campaign against Durbin to hide their own illegal misdeeds.

The posters pushing the outrage here ring false.

[blueheeler]

89. I tried to start another post but the link I put

Did not work. I guess the congress addresses change frequently. I just really want people to know that what he said was not bad!!!!!

[SeekerofTruth]

79. So, acting like republicans is now acceptable? I'm confused...

I thought only repukes were stupid and prone to outrageous and vindicative remarks.

Comparing 300 prisoners to 2million dead by Pol Pot, 1+ million dead in Gulags, and 6 million Jews dead by Nazi's is now acceptable?

Rush saying the word "feminazi's" shows his stupidity. Now it's okay for us to be stupid? When was lowering ourselves to their level suddenly deemed acceptable?

I for one won't lower myself and am ashamed of Durbin's remarks.

[Kraklen]

81. I'm ashamed people deny it.

Apparently the term "Never Again" doesn't mean much to some people.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

88. So it's a numbers game?

:eyes:

Edited for erroneous comments...

[SeekerofTruth]

91. WOW! No sense of proportion?

So making someone live in 100 degree heat is the same as killing 2 million people?

Read Durbin's statement! He talks about how we're torturing these people by making them live in 100 degree heat. That's NOT torture.

He's comparing that to the gassing of 6 million jews!

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

92. FORCING someone to live without water in high heat IS TORTURE.

Whether you want to believe it or not. The quote says "On another occasion, the had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot," (Emphasis mine.) Hell, that wasn't even Durbin's statement: he was quoting from a written report by an FBI agent.

And here's Durbin's comments on the above text, "SeekerofTruth":

"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings"

I gleaned this from this link: http://talkleft.com/Gitmofloorstatement061405.pdf

And you know what? He was exactly right. In fact, he didn't say "Our troops are Nazis". He said 'look here at what our soldiers are doing in Gitmo. It's very similar to what the Nazis did and what the Soviets did.' (Not an exact quote, obviously, but if you read the entire text of his statement, rather than cherry-picking information, you'd realize this)

If you want to defend torturers, then by all mean, fucking stick up for them. But don't come bawling when we get attacked again, saying "what did we do to deserve this???" This shit wasn't born in a vacuum.

[Nihil]

104. Correct. Many people on this thread have no sense of proportion.

> So making someone live in 100 degree heat is the same as killing
> 2 million people?

> He's comparing that to the gassing of 6 million jews!

Care to point out where the senator said either of these right-wing
talking points?

If not, please go back under the bridge.

[BenDavid]

82. I read with great interest what the

right is saying, well, not saying and " the pea brains on the Right, incapable of reading the English language in its most basic, unuanced form, they claim Durbin is calling our troops Nazis. The Wingnutosphere is making that claim. Rush is making that claim. Hannity is making that claim. Drudge is making that claim. Look to Fox News to jump on the bandwagon.

Of course, what Durbin is saying is that such torture -- undisputed, by the way, and read from an FBI report -- is more at home in a place like Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany than in a modern Democracy.

And that's the truth. Plain and simple.

Remember when torture was bad? And getting rid of it was good? President Bush, Oct. 8 2003:

"Iraq is free of rape rooms and torture chambers."

Scott McClellan, Dec. 10, 2003:
"There was an announcement by the Iraqi Governing Council earlier this week about the tribunal that they have set up to hold accountable members of the former regime who were responsible for three decades of brutality and atrocities. ... We know about the mass graves and the rape rooms and the torture chambers of Saddam Hussein's regime. ... We welcome their decision to move forward on a tribunal to hold people accountable for those atrocities."

President Bush, Jan. 12, 2004:
"One thing is for certain: There won't be any more mass graves and torture rooms and rape rooms."
And let's not forget, "torture" was used as a rationale for this war -- as in, we'll invade and end the torture.
Of course, none of that has happened. The torture that was so bad under Saddam, is equally bad under U.S. command. And Dick Durbin had the balls to say it so on the Senate floor.

And these cowards -- these people who will neither serve the cause they claim is so vital, nor urge others to serve it -- now rush to defend behavior that is indefensible?"

by kos

[dad]

90. Why does Rush Limbaugh hate America so much?

Hopefully we at least don't use the rape rooms anymore.

[enough already]

102. Durbin told the truth

Our soldiers and their "leaders" ARE acting like nazis. This crap needs to be exposed. Go Durbin!

[saigon68]

105. I said before ABU GRAIB many US troops were Hoodlums and Thugs.

Thanks Lynndie and Sabrina-- Both of you and Chuck proved me right

And a Big "FUCK YOU" to the troop apologists, who called me all kinds of names as the chicken shit little chicken hawks hiding behind their computer key boards </Rant>

[CTLawGuy]

106. He needs to be quiet! He's playing into Republican Hands!

He's a loose cannon!

oh wait, it's NOT Howard Dean saying this?

Oh, never mind then!

:eyes:

[Up2Late]

110. To paraphrase Jon Stewart Re: Deep Throat

Rush Limbaugh, Doesn't like Dick Durbin; Dick Durbin is TRULY, a GREAT Man!