Priest who crucified nun unrepentant

[Minstrel Boy]

Priest who crucified nun unrepentant

From correspondents in Tanacu, Romania
June 18, 2005

A ROMANIAN Orthodox priest who ordered the crucifixion of a young nun because she was "possessed by the devil" and now faces murder charges was unrepentant today after he celebrated a funeral mass.

"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil," Father Daniel, 29, the superior of the Holy Trinity monastery in north-eastern Romania, said.

He insisted that from the religious point of view, the crucifixion of Maricica Irina Cornici, 23, was "entirely justified", but admitted that he faced excommunication as well as prosecution, and was seeking a "good lawyer".

Sister Cornici was found dead on Thursday, gagged and chained to a cross after fellow nuns called an ambulance, according to police, who said she had entered the monastery just three months before, after visiting a friend who was a nun there.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15657303%255E1702,00.html

[OldLeftieLawyer]

1. You bet he needs a "good lawyer"

Another victory for that monotheistic corporate entity known as organized religion.

[Beaver Tail]

53. I think he forgot something

CRUCIFIXION WAS A ROMAN THING. Crucifixion was apparently started by the Persians. Alexander and his generals brought it back to the Mediterranean world (including Egypt and Carthage). Romans learned it from the Carthaginians.

He preformed a pagan ritual.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

56. Welcome to DU, Beaver Tail...........

Yes, well, in the pursuit of organized religion's approbation and rewards, the poor, misguided soul forgot any history he might have learned. Which I doubt, by the way - that he ever learned anything, that is.

But, that said, IF IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR JESUS, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE.

No?

:hi:

[RPM]

2. guh

:eyes:

[vogonjiltz]

3. I see Christian love is alive and well eom

[Ripley]

4. Yep, the Church loooooooooves women.

They won't condemn this heinous torture and murder done in the name of God, because...

"they don't know what the young woman did."

What could she possibly have done to deserve this?
:nuke:

[MisterP]

9. Orthodox, not Catholic

though Ratzi certainly wouldn't object: my Catholic mother was even reminded of him by the Star Wars III scene where Yushch--er--Palpatine announces the Empire in his cowl

[Ripley]

15. I didn't say Catholic.

I used the term 'the Church' in a very generic sense. When a young woman is murdered after entering the convent for only three months by some crazed prick and his harem of nuns who agreed to go along with this "exorcism" ... I will refer to it as THE CHURCH. Expecially when the patriarchy says, well we can't condemn him because we don't know what the young woman did.

Has this ever happened to a young man since the Dark Ages?

[CatholicEdHead]

37. Yet Conservative Roman Catholics also use the term

so I can see where confusion comes in. The Orthodox Church is the Eastern wing of the chuch which split a long time ago. Conservative Catholics use the term "Orthodox Catholic" as those who follow every rule from above.

I belive the Vatican does not approve of the term "Orthodox Catholic" as there is still bad blood between the Orothdox and Roman Catholic Church at many levels.

Edit for spelling

[iconoclastic cat]

27. Did you see what she did?

Boo!

[PaulaFarrell]

29. She was a woman

and I'm guessing at 23 she was probably sexually attractive, and this had nothing to do with what she did, but what he wanted to do. Don't 'religious' men have a habit of blaming women when they get sexually aroused?

[Rich Hunt]

54. kind of, I think

People with serious sexual problems due to religious fanaticism tend to scapegoat people they are jealous of.

A lot of hatred of women is just jealousy. This priest probably had all sorts of repressed sexual issues.

[msmcghee]

73. She probably aroused the priest's urges . .

. . so that he was forced (against his will of course) to have sex with her (rape?).

Conveniently, those who die can't explain things very well. But at least she is no longer possessed.

[MichiganVote]

5. And the reward for the most weird goes to....

"He insisted that from the religious point of view, the crucifixion of Maricica Irina Cornici, 23, was "entirely justified", but admitted that he faced excommunication as well as prosecution, and was seeking a "good lawyer"."

A good lawyer? Unbelieveable.

[htuttle]

6. Time to get a backhoe and dig up that monastery's grounds

It seems likely that this priest "delivered a few other poor souls from evil" in his time.

I also doubt he killed her without anyone else at the monastery knowing about it...

[The Doctor.]

8. Yep, and I got $20 that says he 'performed' a number of

'exorcisms' on her before he had to silence her, er... I mean 'save' her.

I hate when perverts and murderers hide behind religion.

[Matariki]

7. "i wanted to screw her, so she must have been possessed by the devil"

[havocmom]

12. Perhaps he did and she was possessed by something else entirely

Didn't read the linked site. Was there an autopsy? Pregnancy?

[TwentyFive]

10. Telling this story is more Anti-Catholic bigotry against People of Faith.

Reporting this story is the moral equilivant of slavery. It's just more anti-relgious bigots attacking. Anti Christian, Anti Catholic, Anti-religious I tell you.

People of Faith are outraged at being attacked like this. </sarcasm>

[KC21304]

16. I'm not so sure this is a Catholic Monastery.

I have never heard of the Romanian Orthodox part of the Catholic Church.

[oscar111]

21. Not part of Roman C church, but parallel

think it is set up as a parallel thing, with its own "Pope" called a Metropolitan or somesuch.

several such parallel churches exist... bulgarian , russian...

[JerseygirlCT]

42. There are some "uniate" churches

in Eastern Europe who are part of the Roman Catholic Church but maintain an orthodox liturgy.

The description of this guy as "Orthodox" seems to me to imply he's part of the Romanian Orthodox church, one of many Orthodox churches.

The Orthodox and RCC churches split -- back in the 1200s if I remember correctly. The Orthodox have no allegiance to Rome, but to their own episcopate and hierarchy. There are many different Orthodox churches as well. I believe the Romanian is one of the larger.

[Rich Hunt]

55. nice straw man

Could you point out the post that said this? Because otherwise, it's an unnecessary provocation.

Besides, the alleged priest in this alleged story is Orthodox.

[Book Lover]

74. Did you not see the sarcasm tag? (nm)

[KC21304]

11. I'm against the death penalty but in this case

I wouldn't mind helping " God perform a miracle " for this nut case.

[mom cat]

13. Does Christianity have any thing to do with Jesus anymore?

[aquart]

18. Who?

[IndianaGreen]

26. In name only!

Christianity was never based on Jesus anyway! The Christian theology is based on the writings of Paul of Tarsus, who never met Jesus, and on the official ideology promulgated by a series of Church Councils leading up to the Reformation.

If you want to know what the original Christianity was all about, you must get closer to the source, the Jerusalem followers of Jesus (the Book of Acts gives some hints as to how they were organized in a their commune).

[Initech]

30. What would Jesus do?

Does anyone know? I dont think crucifixion counts.

[stanwyck]

77. No. Jesus advocated loving your enemy

and turning the other cheek. Our current regime advocates pre-emptive carpet bombing and lying about your enemy for political advantage.

[icymist]

14. Needs a good lawyer and a good shrink!

There's something really, really wrong with these people who can twist 'Do unto others as you would have done to yourself' and 'Love one another' into this!

[LisaL]

58. Well, I think there is something wrong with people

that lock themselves up in a monastery in a first place, even if they don't crucify anyone. But then I don't believe in God.

[sasquatch]

17. I bet they find his semen inside of her

[oscar111]

20. 29 and runs a monsatery? too young, shortge priests??

is the romanian church so short of talent it has kids running things?

[AgadorSparticus]

50. I bet you're right. It was my first thought too....n.t

[marew]

19. They don't need to give the wacko religious "wrong" any ideas!

They come up with enough crazy stuff all by themselves. Welcome back to the Dark Ages! Just can't take the craziness, really scary.

[Miss Chybil]

22. If anybody is possessed by demons, I'd say it is him. nt

[PurityOfEssence]

23. Religion is good

Without it, you couldn't kill anyone.

Freaky assholes love religion; it gives the cover for all sorts of social controls. Devout cowards go along with it hoping that daddy will finally be nice to them.

This is extremely ugly, and will never penetrate to the popular media. Regardless of the psychotic violence wrought by organized religion, god is good. Shut up. God is good.

[I Have A Dream]

32. In my opinion, God IS good.

God had nothing to do with this.

I am not a religious person, but I am a spiritual person.

I don't hold God responsible for the acts that are performed in his/her/its name. I strongly feel that God is appalled by them.

[rexcat]

41. If "god" is so loving and powerfull...

one would think that the god would be horrified with such an exhibit by one of his practitioners and stop it or on the other hand god doesn't care.

[Occulus]

52. Problem is, God obeys His own rules

one of which is nonintervention.

It sucks for us.

[I Have A Dream]

62. Yes, I've always thought that instant karma...

would be a really good way to make us act correctly. However, it does take away our free will, and if free will is part of the experiment that is what this life is all about (to me, we're here to learn), instant karma isn't possible because we wouldn't really be learning.

[rexcat]

69. Personally,

I'll take reason and logic over superstition any day.

[I Have A Dream]

72. I totally respect your choice. n/t

[Book Lover]

75. self delete

Forget it. I'm in no mood to argue.

[newswolf56]

24. Another example of the bloody underbelly of Christianity.

This sort of thing -- as in "we had to beat (him/her) to death to drive out the demons" -- is already infamous in Christian Fundamentalist regions. Its gory potential for becoming much more commonplace is part of what makes the BushCo-encouraged advent of Dominionism in America so absolutely terrifying.

[iconoclastic cat]

28. We're certainly beating up the rest of the planet quite well.

Will the demons be gone when the Chimpocracy gets done beating on us?

[lateo]

25. Another religious nutjob...

Culture of lifer too I bet...

[DemGa]

31. Think I'll pass on that religion stuff----nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

60. Good choice. n/t

typo

[Catfight]

33. I'm without words.....nt

[tanyev]

34. Either he wanted to have sex with her and she said no,

or they did have sex and he felt guilty and put all the blame on her. That's my guess anyway.

[Endangered Specie]

36. Or

he got her preggers and she threatened to spill the beans.

[tanyev]

39. Oh, I bet you're right.

A pregnancy would be impossible to hide or deny.

[Raiden]

35. Fundamentalism is dangerous no matter who

is practicing it. A fundamentalist Christian is just as dangerous as fundamentalist Muslim.

[IndianaGreen]

51. We have our own share of religious extremists in Judaism

just as you will find them in Hinduism.

They all share a few things in common: an unshakable belief that they alone possess all the truth, a complete disregard for the value of other points of view, a disdain for the lives of those they find wanting.

[burrowowl]

38. He should be checked

for schizophrenia. If he is found sane. Prison for life.

[LiberalFighter]

40. Will the Orthodox church do the right thing?

Vitalie Danciu, the superior of a nearby monastery at Golia, called the crucifixion "inexcusable", but a spokesman for the Orthodox patriarchate in Bucharest refused to condemn it.

"I don't know what this young woman did," Bogdan Teleanu said.



Will they condemn the action taken by this priest and the nuns also involved? Will they throw the priest and nuns involved out of their church?

[6000eliot]

43. Christ almighty, people are nuts!

[Eugene]

44. Sister Cornici may have been mentally ill.

from this BBC article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4107524.stm

Mediafax news agency said Cornici suffered from schizophrenia and the
symptoms of her condition caused the priest at the convent and other
nuns to believe she was possessed by the devil.

Excorcism on the mentally ill?
What century is this again? :mad:

[WhiteTara]

45. I bet her "sin" was that he was attracted

to her! So, in the twisted logic of the sociopathic priesthood, she should die so that he was no longer tempted.
:rant: :mad:

[barb162]

47. I bet you're right

[Orsino]

46. BDSM fetishist

He "ordered" it? Or performed it? Wonder how many assisted him, and watched?

[kikiek]

48. Where's the "Culture of Life" crowd when you really need them.

Geez Jeb how could you miss this one? She really was starved and dehyrated to death. Only this one knew what was going on the entire time. Good God.

[LisaL]

57. Hmm. It happened in Romania.

What does Jeb have to do with it? Furthermore, she was suffocated, not starved to death.

[kikiek]

64. Yeah but no one cared about her did they.

[bleedingheart]

49. How much ya bet he was lusting for her and punished her for it

the story just sickened me...

reminds me a bit of that King Arthur movie wih Clive Owen where they find those priests holed up torturing people...

[LisaL]

59. If she was schizophrenic, it might have nothing to do with him

lusting for her. She would have symptoms, and religious fanatics would interpret these symptoms as "being possessed by the devil".

[muriel_volestrangler]

61. Just to add to the weirdness from Romania

Romania's ancient fear of vampires lies behind a grim graveyard ritual

'His own sister complained that her daughter-in-law had fallen ill and that Petre was to blame - she said he had become a strigoi and something must be done,' recalls Marinescu.

What six local men did was enact an ancient Romanian ritual for dealing with a strigoi - a restless spirit that returns to suck the lifeblood from his relatives. Just before midnight, they crept into the cemetery on the edge of the village and gathered around Toma's grave.

Then they dug him up, split his ribcage with a pitchfork, removed his heart, put stakes through the rest of his body and sprinkled it with garlic. Then they burnt the heart, put the embers in water and shared the grim cocktail with the sick woman. More than a year later, the effect of the macabre ritual still reverberates through the village: 'Well, the sick woman got better again, so they must have done something right,' says Anisoara Constantin, on what constitutes the village's main street.
...
Local police appeared to be less understanding. After Toma's daughter complained, they arrested the men and charged them with illegally exhuming his corpse. They were sentenced to six months in jail, but did not serve it. 'No one is bothered who did it, it's their own business,' declared 80-year-old Tudor Stoica, shading his face with a fraying hat. 'This ritual often takes place, but in secret, within the family. The problem comes when the police get involved.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1509755,00.html

[jokerman93]

63. Reminds me of K. Russel's "The Devils" -- Back to the Late Middle Ages?

I'm reminded of a brilliant (and disturbing) Ken Russel film titled "The Devils". The film depicts an actual case in France where an entire nunnery became "possessed" and what happened in the process and aftermath. The film explores the explosive forces that come into play at the intersection of psycho-sexual and political power in the church/state. Interestingly, the film is based on the novel of the same name by Aldous Huxley. It received an X rating when it was released in 1971.

I recommend it.

http://members.aol.com/streettb/krussell/devils.htm

[barb162]

66. I remember that movie and also recommend it

[Che_Nuevara]

65. a religious person? unrepentant? wow, I'm surprised ;) n/t

[sakabatou]

67. They're most likely gonna play the insanity card

[mia]

68. Poor girl - grew up in an orphanage, suffered from schizophrenia...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4107524.stm

This is so very sad.



...Police say the 23-year-old nun, who was denied food and drink throughout her ordeal, had been tied and chained to the cross and a towel pushed into her mouth to smother any sounds.

A post-mortem is to be carried out, although initial reports say that Cornici died from asphyxiation....


She grew up in an orphanage in Arad, in the west of Romania.

Mediafax news agency said Cornici suffered from schizophrenia and the symptoms of her condition caused the priest at the convent and other nuns to believe she was possessed by the devil....

[mikita]

70. ya know, I'm against the death penalty,

but I swear to "GOD" this one gets to me....

I can't find the words to describe the rage I feel against this prick....

[Soth]

71. Holy mother fuck, man!

DO you have any idea what a painful way that would be to die? Christ, that's sick. This guy needs to be locked away and occasionally bludgeoned with pictures of Jesus.

[slackmaster]

76. No pictures?

:argh: