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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:08 PM
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Bush Qaeda mastermind must stay in secret custody
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5885864&cKey=1119304220000

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush on Monday defended the U.S. treatment of detainees and said the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks should stay in secret custody because he could provide valuable information to help protect Americans and Europeans.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, regarded by U.S. officials as the brains behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, has been held at an undisclosed location since he was captured in Pakistan in March 2003.

"And he is being detained because we think he could possibly give us information that might not only protect us, but protect citizens in Europe," Bush said at a press conference after meeting with European Union leaders.

"And at some point in time he will be dealt with, but right now we think it's best that he be kept in custody," Bush said. "We want to learn as much as we can in this new kind of war about the intention, and about the methods, about how these people operate."

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:10 PM
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1. And I want him to see a lawyer.
Nothing Bush thinks is EVER "best."
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:10 PM
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2. Translation:
We don't want this guy spilling the beans about the deal we made with him to attack the WTC for us.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:37 PM
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13. Exactly Right! Check Out This Page
All the proof anyone needs is available for free by downloading the files at the bottom of this page:

http://www.reopen911.org/free_dvd.htm
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 07:59 PM
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19. Our President wouldn't do that!
He'd do worse!

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:11 PM
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3. NEW KIND OF WAR?
It has been a new kind of war for 5 years now, how much longer will it be a new kind of war?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:18 PM
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7. The only way this is NEW is
it is the first time we have EVER engaged in a preemptive action! Funny, Saddam will have a trial, but the person/persons that blivet** considers the mastermind (that is in our custody) will not have a trial? How can they justify that? Give the guy a lawyer and "bring it on" you moran! No, you say "bring it on" while taunting the enemy to attack our troops.

</end rant I think>
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:12 PM
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4. What a lame excuse
Wouldn't it be better to parade him around in shackles and an orange jump suit to demoralize the rank and file?

Besides if he had any real information of value, they would be blabbing it all over the place.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 07:47 PM
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18. Exactly, I'm sure *he* saw five lights
a looooong time ago... ;)
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:13 PM
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5. As life goes on, how much information could that person provide?
I think the word for his knowledge is obsolete
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:18 PM
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6. It's not a national security issue....it's a Bush personal security issue.
The sooner everyone sees the actions of this administration in this light, the sooner we can reclaim our country.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:20 PM
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8. How's This
So this man has been in custody for two years, and he's supposed to have information about ongoing operations.

Here just for George, someone send him the memo!!!

Intention: To bring down the US as a dominating power in the world, through both financial and violent means.

Methods: Use insurgent fighters, in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and recruit from true followers of Allah for a Jihad against, not Europe
but just the US.

Operation: Upon the capture of key planners, operations are adjusted and changed accordingly. All operations must be adjusted to what type
of force is used against all groups, so that the Americans are forced
to change their methods of dealing with attacks. Infiltration of local military and security forces is desired, we all look the same to the Americans, and this is something in our favor, we must take
full advantage of the Americans own bogtry and stupidity.

See, and I'm not even in the intelligence field, these people are just doing what we here in the US would be doing if we were in the same predicament.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:34 PM
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12. Memo
"people are just doing what we here in the US would be doing if we were in the same predicament."

Our predicament is different?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:45 PM
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15. Just a Little
We're still trying to change things peacefully, and you must admit that at this point in time there is no curfew and martial law hasn't been declared, yet.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:22 PM
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9. Why? Because he works for the NeoCon Pentagon-based OSP?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:25 PM
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10. Held incommunicado for two years
No charge, no due process, no chance to face his accusers. Simply the word of his captors about his crimes as justification for holding him.

Tell me again what it is that makes the United States better than other countries that secretly imprison people without charges, subjecting them to unreviewed and unreviewable treatment? Because right now I'm having trouble distinguishing George Bush's version of the United States from Joseph Stalin's version of the Soviet Union.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:29 PM
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11. And how did he become the mastermind.
Did we need one and go Inny Minny Miney Moe?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:44 PM
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14. "he could possibly give us information that might...protect us"
Bush wasn't concerned about protecting us before 9/11/01, so why is he so concerned now? I wonder...:shrug:
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powwowdancer Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:57 PM
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16. bush couldn't find his own ass...
please... bush is so... words fail me... evil! If Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the "brains" behind 9/11, what is Osama? The pancreas? The spleen, maybe? My first reaction when I saw the headline on my home page RSS feed was, "Oh, shit! Someone's accidentally stumbled into that shithead osama and Bush'll take the credit!" I might be totally out of touch, but didn't Osama claim responsibility for 9/11, regardless of his metaphorical body part status? And, dudes, (and dudettes), I still ain't forgot about the leaked papers that told C.I.A. operatives to mount heads on spears and so on. Why do they hate us indeed. We parachute spooks into Iraq with millions in soft, un-traceable money, tell 'em to spit heads on pikes, (an almost comical conversation ensued when the operative informed his bushie boss that "pikes might be hard to come by in the desert.") Then comes abu ghraib, gitmo, torture, illegal detentions, murder of wounded, unarmed P.O.W.'s in American custody, illegal usage of banned weapons, acknowledgment from the highest law enforcement official in the land that we don't give a rusty f**k about international law and the Geneva convention any more, now we've got the DSM. (I've 27 pages of "read it and weep" as a pdf file if you're interested. I'll post it, along with shrub's extant service record at BUSH IS YELLA

All this twisted crap begs the question... how much will it take to land le shrub on the carpet standing tall before the man? Seriously, how many smoking guns are needed? None of the above mentioned crap is American, at least, not by any semblance of a definition that I grew up with. There is no honor in this. It will end badly.

powwowdancer out


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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 07:30 PM
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17. he probably knows little and they probably have even less proof that he
did anything.

they cant give him due process because they have no case.

Pitiful and unamerican.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:19 PM
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21. The "pancreas," LOL.
Welcome to DU, and a damn fine rant that was. :hi:

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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:14 PM
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20. O I misread this!
"Bush Qaeda mastermind must stay in secret custody"

I thought it meant Cheney who must stay in an undisclosed location!
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Salluc Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:33 PM
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22. Oh, but you forget who attacked us
From Bush's most recent Saturday radio address:
"Facing lagging support, Bush defends war in Iraq"
The United States will settle for "nothing less than victory" in Iraq, President Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address.

Speaking amid a swirl of lagging support for the war and declining approval ratings for his leadership, Bush defended U.S. operations in Iraq and showed no intention of pulling out of the region.

"We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/18/bush.radio/

See, you just forgot Iraq attacked us.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:17 PM
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23. I'm sure he could provide valuable information, right Dubya? Like the
truth about who did 9-11. Better keep him locked up tight.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:40 PM
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24. I have a few questions ...
If Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the mastermind behind 9/11, why did we bomb Afghanistan to get Bin Laden? And why did we bomb Iraq to get Saddam? And why isn't anyone in the press asking these questions? :eyes:

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:43 PM
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25. To Chimpco, We Are ALL Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
and anyone can be deemed a "Quaeda Mastermind" on Chimpy's whim. Feel safe?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:45 PM
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26. Bush has done more damage & killed more people than Khalid Sheikh Mohammad
Let's lock him up in "secret custody"!!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 10:14 AM
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27. Just in time for the runup to Bush's June 28 fireside chat!
What a perfect opportunity to remind everyone that they have a "mastermind" in custody! Why do you think we're suddenly hearing about Saddam's snack food preferences, too!

:headbang:
rocknation
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 10:30 AM
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28. if the founding fathers could hear these words coming out of the PotUS
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 10:59 AM
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29. I like the phrase "Bush Qaeda". n/t
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