Church sign: 'Islam – America's No. 1 enemy'

[donotpassgo]

A Indiana Baptist pastor has been accused of spewing "hate speech" after he posted the following message on his church's marquee: "Sunday sermon 10:30 a.m. 'Islam: America's No. 1 Enemy.'"

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"I want to stir interest, not alarm, but Islam is a false religion, dangerous and hate-promoting," Monte told the paper

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"I met with Syeed, and it got me very curious. In this personal conversation, there were things that struck me as odd," he is quoted by the Star as saying. "I opened the Quran and smelled a stinking, bloated, dead rat on every page."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34495

In addition: Here's a FR post concerning the matter.
What smells worse than a stinking, bloated dead rat????
A live muslim!!

[loudnclear]

1. A MUST READ Published by "Jews for Justice in the ME"

What our media and the pro-Sharon facists will not want you know.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origins.html

Hurry before it gets zapped on the Net.

[0007]

20. Thank you,

I downloaded it and will read it later, I promiss.

'Tis of considerable length.

[loudnclear]

23. In truth, Christians have more in common with Islam than Judaism

But then, most of the Christians have not studies their own religion let alone anyone else's

[durutti]

28. Huh?

What our media and the pro-Sharon facists will not want you know.

Isn't that redundant? ;-)

[tooncesj0nes]

38. THIS SERMON WAS ATTENDED BY A FELLOW DUer!!....ME!

...and we dropped a banner from the balcony after the sermon stating: 'Ignorance and Bigotry are Americas no 1 enemy'.. BTW,this sermon happened approx 1 month ago. We read about it in the Indpls Star the day before. We were escorted out by 'security'. On the way down the stairs, one of the church members deliberately kicked my ankles, in an attempt to trip me down the stairs. I urge any of you to act when these things appear in your community- We cant let these people think that what they are doing is okay...

[Pert_UK]

44. TOP WORK!!!

Here's to you mate! Keep up the good work!

:toast:

P.

[Sentath]

51. Bravo!

Hopefully the banner was cheap. 'Cause I'm assuming those fine Xtians didn't return it?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. tooncesj0nes...thank you

[No Passaran]

58. I'm glad

people like you exist:)

[ColumbusGirl]

63. Thank You!

Having the bravery to stand up in the face of ignorance makes all the difference!

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality" - Dante

[qwertyMike]

69. KUDOS

I feel I'm not doing enough. Though I took my 14 yr old son to a Mosque the week after 9/11. There were having a sort of Reconciliation 'service'. it was awesome. my son now wears a FUSH BUCKS T-shirt.

[donotpassgo]

73. deliberately kicked my ankles, in an attempt to trip me down the stairs

Truly the follower of the teachings of Christ//sarcasm off.

[Selwynn]

84. That is just about one of the best things I've ever heard!

This person of religious faith says to you, bless you my friend for your courage in the face of such wreckless hate!

Blessings to you, and peace!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

41. Thanks...I'll try to read it tomorrow at lunch.

[Cassandra]

54. This site is full of garbage ...

and contains a very misleading and skewed "history".
This is particularly amusing, as well as self-serving:
"The present-day Palestinians' ancestral heritage

"But all these were additions, sprigs grafted onto the parent tree...And that parent tree was Canaanite... made Moslem converts of the natives, settled down as residents, and intermarried with them, with the result that all are now so completely Arabized that we cannot tell where the Canaanites leave off and the Arabs begin." Illene Beatty, "Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.""
There is no proof that Canaanites were the people who were there when the Arab invaders arrived. They may have been converting Jews, Christians, animists and any number of other beliefs and other transient populations from the surrounding area. This is a bald-faced attempt to call Palestinians the true and only descendents of the region when that is manifestly untrue. This has been debunked in I/P, but those who would prefer to believe every evil thought about Israel never go there to even hear the other side of the argument, which is not pro-Sharon, by any means.

[qwertyMike]

70. Palestinians

Descendants or not, they were the native Inhabitants. It was their land, and much as anyone can claim a 'land'

[Cassandra]

76. Jews were also native inhabitants

as much as anyone can claim a "land".

[Bandit]

80. Just out of curiosity and I have no dog in this fight

How did the Jews get land after wandering the desert for forty years. In my reading of Exodus with Jehova's help they defeated many tribes and claimed those tribe's land as their own. Kind of like we did with the American Natives. I guess possession is nine tenth's of the law. :shrug: That was long long ago and I'm not convinced it has any basis of fact.

[Selwynn]

71. It is a healthy counter-balance...

to the prevailing TOTALY BULLSHIT version of history pushed by zionists and Christians.

You are correct that it reflects its own heavy bias. But no more tha the official "sanctioned" versions of history, and it contians a lot of truthful correctives as well.

There is no one source that is going to be so unbiased or accurate that it will remove from each of us the burden to think criticially and ask refective questions about I/P. But I'm glad that sites like this our out there, to counterweight the Zionist bullcrap that has such a dominant place in American thinking.

[Cassandra]

78. Twisted lies...

are never a "healthy counter-balance" to anything. What is it about Zionism that you don't like; and are you sure it's actually Zionism that you're against?

[Must_B_Free]

2. I thought Islam was also based the Old testament?

Doesn;t it recognize the Old testament as part of its history?

[Astarho]

3. It also recognizes Jesus

as a prophet (but not the son) of god.

On Edit: yes, it recognizes Ishmael, son of Abraham and Hagar (his Egyptian slave)

[DulceDecorum]

26. Ishmael is the first-born son of Abraham.

THE BIRTH OF ISHMAEL
The covenant of the pieces, whereby the fortunes of his descendants were revealed to Abraham, was made at a time when he was still childless.<115> As long as Abraham and Sarah dwelt outside of the Holy Land, they looked upon their childlessness as a punishment for not abiding within it. But when a ten years' sojourn in Palestine found her barren as before, Sarah perceived that the fault lay with her.<116> Without a trace of jealousy she was ready to give her slave Hagar to Abraham as wife,<117> first making her a freed woman.<118> For Hagar was Sarah's property, not her husband's. She had received her from Pharaoh, the father of Hagar. Taught and bred by Sarah, she walked in the same path of righteousness as her mistress,<119> and thus was a suitable companion for Abraham, and, INSTRUCTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, he acceded to Sarah's proposal.
http://philologos.org/__eb-lotj/vol1/five2.htm#4

Hagar was the a princess of Egypt and the daughter of the Pharoah. When she and Ishmael were kicked out by Abraham,
at Sarah's instigation,
they went to Egypt.
Ishmael is considered to be the father of the Arabs.
Incidentally, Abraham and Sarah were both born and raised in Iraq.
Their son, Isaac, is considered to be the father of the Jews.

[sabbat hunter]

32. corrections

i dont know where that quote is from, but at the time of abraham the land was NOT called palestine (that is a fairly modern term)
it was called Caanan.

peace
david
:hippie:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. hippiewannabe...the original name of Palestine does Not change the history

[DuctapeFatwa]

6. yes

nt

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

21. Yes.

A Muslim honors and respects all people of the Book, which has three parts-Torah, Testament, and Qur'an. In many suras (chapters) Old Testament figures are mentioned, including Joseph, Moses, Abraham, and Noah. There's a whole sura named for Mary, Mother of Jesus, and there are references to Jesus there, too.

[varun]

43. what about pagans, witches..

...Hindus, Buddhists...

are they honored and respected too?

[PennyLane]

46. No

Just Christians and Jews.

[noonwitch]

67. They consider themselves descendants of Abraham

Prior to Isaac's birth, Abraham fathered a child via his wife's egyptian handmaid, Hagar. Ishmael was the child's name. The story is in Genesis 16. Allegedly, Ishmael is the patriarch of the people who later became muslims. I haven't read the Koran, so I don't know it's teachings, but fundie christians generally accept this, as Ishmael's descendents were cursed in the same chapter.

[arcane1]

4. what do they consider a "true" religion to be..?

:shrug:


does anything besides their OWN qualify...?

[roguevalley]

5. It always seems to be baptists.

Good grief. What is the matter here?!?!
They need to read the book again. I am
so sick of Baptists doing this.

[Astarho]

9. I remember A. Whiney Brown

said about the Baptists:

"Any group whose core philosophy is if you hold someone under water long enough and they'll come around to your way of thinking makes me nervous."

[rooboy]

15. LOL... n/t

[CO Liberal]

64. Baptists are Very Autonomous.......

...at the local level, from what I understand. That's why they have assholes like Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps, and this loser running their churches.

[Philostopher]

10. Coming from another conservative evangelical background ...

the answer is no. I didn't lose faith in the Baptist church, I lost faith in the Church of Christ, but they're similar.

The Church of Christ quietly condemns Baptists for not requiring full immersion baptism to be 'saved.'

They also quietly go after the Methodists for not taking communion every sunday, and for sprinkling instead of full immersion baptism.

I won't even go into what they quietly say about Judaism or Catholicism, but let it suffice to say they call them both cults -- one for 'not enough Jesus,' the other for 'too much Mary.'

[Lars39]

11. Been a member of both myself, and where I live it's not done quietly.

But you're right about the condemnation. Makes for a lot of smug so-and-so's.

[Lars39]

13. Nope.

Unless you believe just like them, you're going to hell in the biggest handbasket they can find for you. Fundamentalism is very narrow-minded and confining and deadly.

[Jacobin]

30. No.

Only the particular sect of that baptist church will get you the keys to those golden clouds.

[Name removed]

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[Fish Eye]

49. I hope for your sake

that no freeper lurker forwards this to the FBI....this is a sick statement.

[im4]

8. Aren't they all related anyway?

Aren't all Arabs decended of Abraham same as the Jews? All the arab nations came from Ishmael while the Jews came from Isaac. The fiercest fights are family feuds.

[Il_Coniglietto]

12. More like: "Stupidity - America's No. 1 enemy"

:eyes: :puke: :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. All religions have a grain of truth in them

The Golden Rule is found in the holy books of all religions. The teachings of religions is tolerance and to try and lead a good life.

No one on this earth knows the truth, but there is a Truth. The people I hang out with often talk more about spirituality than religion, because when you get to the Essence, you find that all paths lead to the goal.

But there is a danger in religion, in that many people use religion as an excuse to push their own agendas. Please don't think that the core beliefs of any faith have anything to do with hatred and discord, because they don't.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

75. That may be true...

The Golden Rule is found in the holy books of all religions. The teachings of religions is tolerance and to try and lead a good life.

Yeah, but Abrahamic religions have these drops of exclusionist tribalism which really tend to fsck things up sometimes. You don't se Buddhists or Kardecists blowing people up or saying that their god will torture or destroy everybody who doesn't follow them.

All right, all right, flame me if you will. This is my opinion; you're free to tell yours.

[Character Assassin]

82. Actually and unfortunately, that is not the case

You don't se Buddhists or Kardecists blowing people up or saying that their god will torture or destroy everybody who doesn't follow them.

You see plenty of Buddhists in Sri Lanka blowing up non-buddhists, murdering them, torturing, etc....

It's at a lull now, but we'll see how well the cease-fire holds up.

[Pert_UK]

31. I'm sorry, I thought that this was a liberal website......

Way to go there, writing off an entire religion (and some unnamed others).

I assume that you have some evidence to back up your preposterous claim?

Try to remember that it's almost always not the religion itself - it's the misinterpretation and deliberate misuse of religious texts and ideas that are false, dangerous and hate-promoting.

P.

[Guaranteed]

33. Kind of hypocritical of the guy, isn't it?

Hilarious that he calls Islam the "#1 enemy" of the US because it's a hateful religion. LOL!!!! ULTIMATE in hypocrisy.

[Pert_UK]

35. There's only two types of people I can't stand......

People with no tolerance of other religions, and Muslims....

:evilgrin:

Good call, BGL - it's like saying "I can't stand those bigoted, lazy Mexicans; they're all racist!"......

Looks like he might have been at the back of the queue when God was handing out brains.

P.

[expatriot]

42. Religion: America's #1 Enemy

Fundamentalism will be the end of us all.

[Selwynn]

72. Fundamentalisim <> Personal Spiritual Faith

Closedminded, Intolerant, Cynicims = America's #1 Enemy, be it in the form of religious extremism or anti-religious extremism.

I'm not ashamed of my faith, I don't ask you to share my faith, and I'm tired of anti-religious people acting no different than religious fundamentalist in their sweeping generalizations and universal condemnation of people who think differently than they do.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. Here's one better-Democrats aren't Christians!

Yep, that's what a letter to the editor of the Arkansas Gazette said. Anyone who was a Democrat or a liberal couldn't be a Christian. The reply to this was quite good-that the writer was being judgemental, and wasn't that something Christians weren't supposed to do? And wasn't Jesus one who was a tad bit liberal for His time?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. At this very moment, some Iraqi religious leader is opening the bible...

...and proclaiming loudly that he smells a dead dog on every page(dogs are unclean animals in the world of Islam). And not only that, it's written backwards! (They read and write right to left.)

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

22. Many Muslims know more about Christianity than Christians know about Islam

About 30 years ago, my husband knew an Iranian Air Force Pilot who was in Texas doing training. This was during the reign of the Shah, and the US helped train Iranian pilots. This fellow was very excited to be in the US, because he really wanted to go worship in a Christian church. Well, to make a long story short, he chose a Baptist Church. Once they realized he was Muslim, they ridiculed and condemned him. He was very hurt by his reception, and confused and surprised at their ignorance.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. When I went through Naval OCS in Newport, RI, in 1976-1977....

...five of the people that lived on our deck in our company area were already Iranian officers. They were part of a US-Iranian program that allowed them to cross-train at Pensacola (Naval Air Warfare) and Newport (Naval Surface Warfare).

I got to know one of the guys pretty well and he just wanted to get home to see his family. He really hated the cold weather, and didn't feel comfortable going anywhere in New England...lots of prejudices in that part of the country, too. He also hated having to go through lessons that they had been taught some time ago by the Iranian Navy...can't say that I blame him.

That winter was one of the coldest on record in that part of the country...minus 14 degrees for about six weeks with chill factors down to the minus 60s. Even the salt water bay froze over!

Yes...living in Alabama I am very aware of how intolerable Baptists can be. I attended a local Baptist church for a while, but soon realized that my tolerant way of thinking was not appreciated. It's their way or nothing.

[PennyLane]

47. They Sure Do.......

I've stood corrected many times by Muslim friends who knew scripture
much better than I!!

[Cocoa]

19. did Free Republic allow that post to stay?

I hope they deleted it and banned the poster, and that other Freepers protested.

Otherwise, they should be considered a hate site.

[Aidoneus]

25. ha!

I've seen things there that make that tame. Basically, everything they think about blacks & chicanos but are too afraid to say, they routinely say about Muslims or worse--other sorts of bigotry are not as socially acceptable anymore as Muslimeenhass is. A few may object on occasion, but others will then join in with more genocidal remarks.

[donotpassgo]

74. No...that's common.

I trolled there for a while and actually collected all the hateful stuff they wrote and posted it. What I got was...'there just blowing off steam' or 'a backlash of the liberal media sterotypes of them'.

[lovedems]

24. This makes me very sad.

The religious right is damaging this country beyond belief. Sad, sad, sad. No wonder other countries fear us, I fear us. When hate speech of this magnitude is being spread, I shudder with disbelief. He probably blows up abortion clinics too.

[KamaAina]

27. Fundie Morans -- America's No. 1 Enemy

Ahhhhh... That's more like it!

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[Ignis]

29. Faith-based

Sounds like the Rev. needs to start a few 'faith-based' programmes to teach moderation, compassion, empathy, inclusion, and other Christian virtues. I mean, that's what the faith-based initiative is all about, right? ;)

[leesa]

34. Link doesn't seem to work anymore...anyone have it?

[bluestateguy]

36. I can do better than that

I had a friend earlier this year who quit her church because the pastor said FROM THE PULPIT that George W. Bush was chosen by God for the presidency and that the war in Iraq would allow the Iraqi people to abandon the "false promises of Islam and embrace Christ". She walked out in the middle of the sermon and has not been back to that church since.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

40. Dubya believes that, too. I guess he saw one too many visions while...

...doing his coke-thang.

[PennyLane]

48. Ha!

Yep, he probably did one line too many that day!

[jiacinto]

37. A sentiment that is all too true unfortunately

When I was in college a friend of mine, who is smart and intelligent, told me that he even considered Islam a "false religion". And this was two years before 9/11 had happened.

The period since 9/11 has been hard for me because my best friend from high school happens to be of Palestinian/Jordanian descent. He was born here, but his parents are immigrants from Jordan and Palestine.

Since 9/11 it has been hard for me as a lot of my friends probably share this viewpoint.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

45. Someone send this guy a mirror...

<snip>
Graham called Islam a "very evil and wicked religion" in an interview about his latest book. In "The Name," he wrote, "Islam – unlike Christianity – has among its basic teachings a deep intolerance for those who follow other faiths."
<snip>

[PsychoDad]

50. deep intolerance

"Islam – unlike Christianity – has among its basic teachings a deep intolerance for those who follow other faiths."

If I may quote from the Quran.:
2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion

Looks like this basic teaching is pretty clear.

[tlcandie]

52. Christianity can be said to be violent ..

Crusades anyone? Iraq anyone?

If anyone takes out of context various passages from any religion's holy books...you could base a hate filled, war mongering church or movement out of it...Christianity included!

FEAR = HATE = dogma/manmade religion = power to some religious leader or group = greed/power

Live by the golden rule that is pervasive in ALL religions and this world would be a BETTER place w/o war!

[BiggJawn]

53. All Religions are false.

But that's just my opinion. You Milage May Vary.
Now before I get slammed as being a "(fill in the blank) Basher", I'll say no more.

[Shadder]

55. I think that I'd agree with you

I've always felt that there is a vast difference betwen religion and faith. I've reached the point where I do not have a desire or realy a need to attend a church to get close to God. A nice peacefull walk in the Smokies will get you much closer to God everytime.

I grew up a Baptist and not too long ago switched to the Methodist. Now I'm a beliver in God and refuse to put any man made label or name on it that is more interested in promoting their own adjende than the teachings of God in whatever form you may choose to beileve

[davidinalameda]

56. so what does this moran say about the Jews, Buddhists, etc

when are his sermons about them?

[Fozzledick]

60. In my view there are just two religions

There's the one that says: We and only we have the one and only truth and it's written right here in this book, every word of which is divinely inspired and literally true, so we have not just the right but the holy obligation to make sure that everyone professes to believe our interpretation of it and to torture and kill (for their own good, of course) anyone so obstinately blasphemous as to believe otherwise.

On the other hand, there's the one that says: This is our way and this is our tradition, and this is the historical backround of how it came to be, and we like it a lot and we think it's best for us, but there are plenty of other ways and other traditions that are just as valid, and they might even be better for some people, but we've chosen this way and we like it best.

As far as I'm concerned the particular name or form that either of these two wear are irrelevant to their substance. All mystics are my brothers, and all fundamentalists are their own worst enemies.

[qb]

61. Reminds me of Lowell Lundstrom plugging his "The Muslims are Coming!"

book on his televangelist show when I was a kid in the 70's. Even though I didn't really know what a Muslim was, I thought the guy sounded totally paranoid.

[BadGimp]

62. "Fundi Christianity is a false religion, dangerous and hate-promoting,"

see how easy that was...

I got your right wing religion right here:

[Red_Storm]

66. Thanks loudnclear

for your post........downloaded the booklet......will read it this weekend......

[hyphenate]

65. Many of the religious right

Are extremely intolerant. Their religious views are created to be as intolerant as possible--theirs is the "one religion" and you are damned if your viewpoints are different.

I have a dear friend who has become a fundie in the last several years. I love her dearly, but sometimes I want to tell her to smarten up. The fundies have brainwashed her to the point where she, with an MA in education, now believes that creationism is the way the world was created. She also has had her head filled with the "Israel must take over" doctrine, and believes in all the fundie ways. She has planted herself into that false religion simply because it feeds a need for her: for a long time, she suffered from clinical depression, and these people managed to take over her soul when she was at her most vulnerable. Now, she spends at least an hour every night, when she is not to be disturbed under any circumstances, to read her bible. BTW, she was originally raised a catholic.

Any religion that would worship a "god" that is intolerant of other religions, who is a bigot, a suppressor of one of the two genders on the planet, who worships money over duty and faith, who believes that other religions are not as important as his own, and who is definitely prejudiced against anyone who is "different" such as gays, lesbians, Moslems, Taoists, Buddhists, and anyone else out there that doesn't follow strict, evangelical, fundamentalist beliefs, is a false god--a greater false god than the god of the masses. These people use religion strictly for manipulation, for greed and for power. It's a shame that these "followers" can't see their leaders for the truly ugly people that they are.

A truly religious person is one who accepts people for who and what they are, regardless of color, creed and sexual preference, and who holds his own beliefs close to his own self, without trying to convince others that his is the one true religion. A truly religious person inspires others to join him through deed, and not through ugly words and tearing down of others.

[GCP]

68. "I Don't believe in their God"

Err, excuse me, isn't it supposed to be the same God they worship, albeit with different prophets?

[donotpassgo]

77. More Freeper posts (the mouthbreather apacolypse is upon us)...

"I'll put it in raw, personal terms-- I don't want Sharia law visited upon my women, and I don't want a goat-roper "culture" infesting my land. I don't want their vile, nasty, loathsome weapons of mass destruction loosed upon my fair country, either."

(read--"the black guy is gonna rape our white women". WMD's)

(The Koran)"Smells more like a stinking bloated camel to me."

Like I always say, "If the towel fits, wear it."

We all should HATE Islam.

It's a dangerous cult

Islam is a shithole violent religion

The Cultists = Islamists. Slam IS a cult

Actually, the demcrat political party is the biggest threat to America. The main stream medis are next, followed by hillary and bill clinton.
(now we get to it!)

It is a shit hole religion with a child molesting maggot as it's prophet.

[muriel_volestrangler]

81. Are those from freerepublic.com?

If so, it's no surprise they're accused of being a hate site.

[donotpassgo]

83. yup...sure are

.

[Bandit]

79. "dangerous and hate-promoting,"

Okay I get it. We don't hate our number 1 enemy. Hate is only on the other side.