Russia Does Not Dismiss the Use Nuclear Weapons in Preventive Strike

[Nottingham]

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/88/350/11033_putin.html

Russia Does Not Dismiss the Use Nuclear Weapons in Preventive Strike
10/08/2003 13:27
Vladimir Putin's recent statement about the nuclear weapons alarms Western media

On the threshold of his 51st birthday, Vladimir Putin has apparently decided to remind the West of his existence. At any rate, foreign mass media outlets were rather alarmed discussing the latest statement from the Russian president. This time, Putin did not say anything obscene like "we will eliminate terrorists in outhouses," though.

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov has recently presented the report concerning the problems for the development of the Russian Armed Forces. After that, Vladimir Putin announced the national nuclear forces should be fundamentally modernized. The president said Russia did not exclude an opportunity to use nuclear weapons for a preventive strike against its "potential enemy." According to the analysis conducted by Western media outlets, the "potential enemy" implies NATO and the USA.

The Washington Times wrote Putin had decided to revise the nuclear doctrine to remind NATO of Russia's place in the world community. The German weekly Die Welt wrote that Russia was warning NATO against the fundamental change of its military doctrine. Moscow, the weekly wrote, is considering an opportunity to implement the new strategy if NATO preserves its aggressive orientation. Other Western media are writing articles in the same spirit. Analyzing the "attack" from the Russian president, the BBC added that Putin had decided so on account of unsuccessful negotiations with George W. Bush at the end of September.

Vladimir Putin has not decided anything - he has simply released a statement, it was just an utterance. Nadezhda Garifulina, former observer of the Sovetskaya Rossiya newspaper said: "He would like to believe, but- It seems that there are too many facts testifying to Putin's continuation of Boris Yeltsin's policy under a nicer cover."


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Russia wants to make it perfectly clear it has nukes too and it will use them :nuke:

[Cush]

1. How is this different than Bush?

I believe they've talked about using 'mini nukes'

[Nottingham]

2. Is there such a thing as a Mini Nuke

:nuke: The radiation our children will have to deal with will be unbelivable!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

6. Yes, and I think we've been using them since Desert Storm...

...we call them bunker-busters now, and they use depleted uranium nose-cones to pierce rock and concrete to greater depths. I believe that we are also using mini-nukes to provide the extreme explosive punch to these weapons.

After Desert Storm some of the Iraqi troops complained about suffering symptoms identical to radiation poisoning...hair falling out, teeth falling out, gums bleeding, skin falling off, nausea, etc.

Similar reports have come out of Afghanistan when survivors coming out of the caves have died a week or two later suffering from the same symptoms.

Oh, by the way, my generation, those born in the '50s and '60s have also had to deal with radiation. Please see the following website:

Nuclear Weapons Test Map
< http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/maps/index.html#testmap>

Run your cursor over the a-bomb clouds to get the number of tests conducted at those sites. Ever hear of a-bomb tests conducted in Mississippi? How about Alaska?

[revcarol]

3. Bush and Pandora's box.

Once we had treaties, now we have threats of Cold War.

Bush said he might use nuclear weapons. Bush used pre-emptive strike. Bush made the world infinitely more dangerous for humanity.

Can't you just see him smirking? "See daddy, I did it all by myself! Daddy, daddy...??"

[Nottingham]

4. Yep!

Its so sick :puke:

[bluedeminredstate]

5. Perhaps he's

giving his "soul mate" a little dose of reality to show the administration that the US can't go around like a big ole bully and expect that no other country might adopt "The Bush Doctrine."

Hopefully, he's yanking Chimp's chain and maybe using this as a way to get the opposition to OPPOSE these crazy WH policies.

[Capt_Nemo]

7. Precision (AKA "intelligent") weapons are expensive

and although Russia has a big stockpile of them, since they are short
of cash, its like an arsenal of "silver bullets" to them, that would
require a lot of money to stock up again if necessary.

Furthermore they require an expensive infrastructure to optimize
their use, like recon planes and sats and, for some, nav sats.
For example Russia has had a lot of trouble keeping up its Glonass
network (GPS equivalent) since the USSR broke apart.

On the other hand they have a huge stockpile of tactical nukes
that don´t rely so much in such infrastructure, for obvious reasons. Many of them are installed
on cruise missiles whose platforms have global reach (subs, strategic
bombers).

Given these facts what weapons do you think Putin would choose if
he was to pull some stunt PNAC style?

[dbt]

8. Preventive Strike, eh?

Now wherever could Pootie-Poot have picked up such an idea?

:evilgrin:
dbt

[Eurobabe]

9. see what testosterone does to the world??

n/t

[teryang]

10. Was their last meeting unsuccessful for Putin?

I think that Putin has let dim son know in no uncertain terms that any attack on Iran that results in Russian casualties will be met with a military response. (in reference to Israeli threats to bomb Bushehr). So the Israelis went for what they could get and made what was an essentially insignificant attack on Syria. Syria is all trouble and no gain. The attack was for American and Israeli domestic consumption. Any meaningful campaign against Syria will result in the neo cons and Sharon falling from power. There is nothing to gain and a lot to lose in fighting Syria. Even if you defeat Syria, you lose.

[NNN0LHI]

11. I think you may be on to something n/t

[Capt_Nemo]

12. Yes teryang

that is exactly the way these bastards deal with each other.

Not very far from what one would expect from mobsters... in fact
that is the way things work when relations are based purely on
raw power.

[Fovea]

13. Headline should read

Bush's shortsighted preemption policy officially screws the pooch.

[bushisanidiot]

14. Nice Going, Prezident AWOL!! Pre-emptive Nuclear WAR Because Of YOU!!

n/t

[Fozzledick]

15. What Putin really thinks of Bush*

I think he finds himself in pretty much the same situation that Chamberlin was in after his meeting with Hitler in Munich: he knows he's dealing with a madman whose lust for world domination won't be appeased by his latest conquest, but he's not ready for an immediate military confrontation, so he smiles and nods diplomaticly while quietly building up his military forces in anticipation of the inevitable.

When I heard about this a few months ago it struck me as an indication of Putins real judgement of bush as opposed to his diplomaticlly polite public statements:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,777379,00.html


China seems to have reached pretty much the same conclusion: It's always been their party line that a confrontation with the U.S. was inevitable sooner or later, but during the Clinton administration that was largely disregarded as old rhetoric while they sought to improve trade and diplomatic relations. Now they're concentrating on modernizing their military and gearing up for war.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/03/24/willy.column/

[teryang]

16. Great links

Thanks. Especially appreciated the China article.

[BiggJawn]

17. Hey Kids! wonder what Gramps means by "Duck and Cover"?

and "Cold War" and "Fallout shelter" and all the rest of those cool 50's things?

Well, thanks to President "Whoops, I shot my fat yap off again" Chimpy McCokespoon, YOU TOO can relive those thrilling, frightening years when granma and granpa used to go to bed wondering if they'd be vapourized and go to see Jeebus before morning...

sometimes I think they're destroying this country like a Cash Cow purely for personal gain, then something like this pops up to remind me that they (Bush, Arschloch, Rumsferatu, TinMan) actually think they are "Agents of Armegeddon"...

[jbutsz]

18. Something tells me

Bush giggles at statements this like a schoolboy instigating others into a fight.