Democrats Call on Rove to Apologize for Sept. 11 Comments

[NNN0LHI]

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBLK7J3BAE.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrats are demanding that White House adviser Karl Rove immediately retract and apologize for comments that liberals responded to the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes by wanting to "prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

"The one thing New York has had since Sept. 11 is unity," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. "To inject politics into this and to defame a large number of people" is outrageous, he said. "It's not what New York and America is all about."

Rove, Bush's chief political adviser, said in a speech Wednesday that "liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Conservatives, he said in the speech to the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

Rove said the Democratic Party made the mistake of calling for "moderation and restraint" after the terrorist attacks.

[freeplessinseattle]

1. Yes! Good for them! (nt)

[Paranoid Pessimist]

31. Conservatives saw the savagery and said "We can do ...

...better savagery than that.

[Kilroy003]

86. I must agree with that statement, wholeheartedly.

With 9/11, we're dealing with a cabal of highly sophisticated, conservative madmen bent on destruction of the West.

Does anyone else think that unleashing our own group of highly sophisticated, conservative madmen bent on destruction of the East will actually get us anywhere.

I made a call for moderation and restraint immediately after the attacks because I believed it would allow for our children and grandchildren to live in a more peaceful world.

I wrote a letter to my Senator on September 13, 2001 saying basically the same thing that Rove is accusing.

My Senator agreed with me. His name was Paul Wellstone.

[htuttle]

2. Rove replies, "Suckers!"

Did you think that after cooperating with them, they'd treat you nice?

Idiots.

[wakeme2008]

3. Go Charles Goooo..

Rove ... try to take the foot out of your mouth.... :)

[eShirl]

4. Rove said the Democratic Party made the mistake of calling for "moderation

and restraint" after the terrorist attacks.

Oh really, Karl? Name ONE.

[fishnfla]

9. Didn't George Bush say something or other about US Muslims?

There was a backlash here within the states and he had preach calm?

<trying to remember>

[KittyWampus]

59. Bush Called For ..... SHOPPING!

[SaveAmerica]

64. Wanted: Dead or Alive is what you're trying to remember,

stoking the hatred that was already running rampant. Idiots seeing the picture of Bin Laden with the wanted slogan took it to mean all those with turbans were on the wanted list. Everything Bush and his folks did could be used in a 'what not to do in time of disaster' video. You'd think Rove would start to get the picture that more and more people are aware of their tricks than ever before.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. Maybe he's referring to those who insisted that we finish with

Bin Laden instead of throwing ourselves into war against Iraq.

Oh. I see what you mean.

[merwin]

36. How DARE they accuse democrats of using restraint! We're frickin'

loose cannons! Look at Dean! He's a complete nutcase!

I don't agree with the moderation part, but having restraint is not a bad thing. Hitler didn't have any restraint, and look where it got him.

[Kilroy003]

82. I did; for one.

I think moderation and restraint are the hallmarks of learned, enlightened people. Humanity has come too far to return to an 'eye for an eye' mentality.

Rove is absolutely correct. Liberals are not hungry for blood or vengeance. Nor are we gung-ho for WAR, WAR and more WAR!

[AuntiBush]

105. Think of the "backlash" from this 1 Remark...

Now that 6/7 out of 10 Americans polled agree the War is not being run properly by the Chimp!

I'd send KRove a thank you card, but wouldn't waste the cost of a stamp.

[TankLV]

121. Umm - those of us calling for "moderation & restraint" have been proven

right - and the REPUKE warmongers should all be rounded up and dealt with the maximum penalty for treason for lying us into this goddamn bushwar!

And I didn't see hardly any Dems who were AGAINST the war - that is my problem with the dem party! They all gave bunkerboy and his band of cowards the green light to fuck the world.

I only wish all of the dems urged moderation!

[meganmonkey]

5. I don't really like this 'demand an apology' stuff from either side

It's one thing to call attention to the horrid filth that comes out of some people's mouths, but demanding an apology does nothing productive. It just makes one side look whiny and the other side look wimpy.

:shrug:

[fishnfla]

20. Rove may have done this just to spark such outrage

Does anyone in the reality based community listen to what he says? If we start demanding an apology, it just kicks his comments in the press

[Im with Rosey]

38. Not only does it keep it in the press

We also start to lose the focus on the things we want the focus on. We have to work so hard to get anything reported on by corporate media, we might be falling for deflection. They are running scared right now, we must keep the focus on the issues we want. Don't allow them to change the issues to discuss.

[rodeodance]

28. this IS 'horrid filth'--and very important--as Repugs are again portraying

Dems as weak on terror!!!!!!!

[Jose Diablo]

117. Yeah, screw the demands for apology

I want the sucker fired and his boss too. All of them, get out.

[bluedog]

6. okay MEDIA do your job!

get this Apology from rove on the AIR.......reply his statements........call him out..say how un_American he is.hoe he is aiding the terrorist.how despicable he is...Call his Fat f'ing ass on the Line..play it 24/7...I dare you coward little bastards.

[Triana]

7. GOOD! Bout time they showed some spine (n/t)

[bluestateguy]

8. Watch Rove handle this better than Durbin

Rove is a master political operator. He knows what the score is. He will let this all blow over, ignore the calls to apologize, and this will fade from the headlines.

Apologizing for "offensive" remarks never does any good. Durbin caved in and his critics continued to bitch, AND he alienated his supporters who defended him. Honestly, if Rove apologized would we all say "that's OK", and start being nice to him? Of course not. But if Rove did apologize he would alienate his supporters who believe that what Rove said was true.

[billbuckhead]

11. Where's bin Laden?

[DS1]

18. Bin Laden is more valuable uncaptured

Capture Bin Laden, and you have to make a brand new boogeyman

[Wright Patman]

39. Bin Laden is Al CIAda

and the fact that at least half the public still doesn't see through the fact that 9-11 was a MIHOP to involve us in perpetual war is discouraging.

I suppose we will have to wait another 10 to 20 years for most of the public to catch on, if the Kennedy Assassination is any guide.

By that time, America will have long since ceased to exist as a major economic power and will be the most heavily-armed Third World country on the planet.

[CantGetFooledAgain]

104. "9-11 was a MIHOP to involve us in perpetual war "

This is my gut feeling as well. And it IS discouraging, to me as well, to see so many progressives uncritically accept the conventional interpretation of the events of that day.

I don't know what happened and who was ultimately behind it all. I do know that a 9/11 was a prerequisite for all the crimes and atrocities that followed. I don't believe that BushCo just lucked out like that.

9/11 can be said without qualification to be the best thing that could possibly have happened to the Bush administration. And the preponderance of evidence screams of their involvement.

But so many people still don't see it, or only give lip service to the possibility. MIHOP/LIHOP, if true, changes everything.

[redqueen]

27. He'll apologise to anyone who "took his remarks the wrong way"

or some crap like that.

They never change tactics... never apologize for what you said, only that some (chose to) be offended.

[Piperay]

103. That's what Durbin should

have done instead of crying like a whipped dog.:banghead:

[redqueen]

114. You know what?

I think he did... I saw his remarks on the floor and he said just that!

If he said more elsewhere, I didn't see it.

[Piperay]

115. That's good

I only saw the part where he was semi-crying of course that is what the networks focused on and it made him look weak and pathetic. I'm glad that there was more to it than that and he didn't make a full apology.

[Cocoa]

60. you can have Rove

I'll stay with Durbin.

[Kilroy003]

87. It is true.

Seriously, what exactly is the problem with "moderation and restraint"?

[DS1]

10. Our Government sucks. Say you're sorry! No, say it like you mean it!

Not before you say sorry first!

LALALALAALLALALALLALA

:eyes: :nuke:

[Beetwasher]

12. Dems FUCKED UP By NOT PUSHING The "Pro-Lynching" Issue

The Dems once again bring a spoon to a gunfight.

Meanwhile, Rove is slandering them about 9/11 (still), getting ready to push the flag desecration bullshit to try and slander them some more.

But the Dems balk at branding the Repubs as pro-lynching and apologize for the truth about Gitmo.

*sigh*

[cascadiance]

58. Maybe they don't want to prevent us from wanting to lynch Rove!

I certainly feel like it sometimes with what that sorry excuse for a human being's been doing!

[gratuitous]

13. Watch and please learn, Democrats

When Karl tells you to go suck eggs, there will be no repercussions, no one will go on the talk shows and denounce him. No other Republicans will join you in demanding that Karl apologize for his horrid comments. There won't be any follow-up reporting or frownie-faced commentary from the so-called liberal media.

You're playing politely in a rigged game. If you're at a poker table for five minutes and haven't yet spotted the rube, guess what? You're the rube.

And what's the matter with "moderation and restraint" after the crime of the September 11 attacks? When the World Trade Center was bombed in 1993, President Clinton very calmly went about the business of finding the perpetrators, building a case against them, trying and convicting them, and they're rotting away in prison right now. The United States didn't have to spend $300 billion, kill thousands and thousands of civilians, sacrifice thousands of soldiers and exhaust the military doing it.

Compare and contrast that with Chimpy's unfocused and indiscriminate world-wide tantrum that has killed combatant and civilian alike, cheapened our image all over the world, emptied the Treasury, made us a chief perpetrator, exponent and sponsor of torture and extralegal methods, and provided ample reason for further terrorist recruitment all over the world. Additionally, because of the wanton waste of our resources, the United States is in a piss-poor position to provide assistance when a real tragedy like the tsunamis in southern Asia strike.

"Moderation and restraint" were precisely what was needed after September 11, and precisely what the hot-tempered children running our country don't have.

[5X]

24. Exactly, Gratuitous,

This is a brilliant move on Rove's part
to get us to say we backed the war, then use
it against us.

[jokerman93]

46. Exactly!

The response to a terrorist attack is law enforcement, not total Bushwar. At the very surface, the idea of launching armies and bombing raids to stop an underground extra-national organization of extremists seems patently idiotic. But do Muricans notice? Nooooooo! They believe what their political keepers and religious ministers tell them - it's easier that way. We no longer have the educational infrastructure to teach people how to put two thoughts together critically.

The "War on Terror" is an outrageous invention, an egregious waste, an insult to true Democracy - and a self-fulfilling prophesy.

There is now a real international problem - thanks to the little boys with toys, and all the other wankers in this neocon administration.

[barb162]

50. I hope none of us are holding our breaths waiting for the apology

It'll NEVER happen.

[leetrisck]

14. Tell Rove to go to hell - don't ask

for apology - bullcrap! Forget the apology stuff. Tried to call C-Span about his remarks this morning to say "hell yes, I hate bush for what he has done to our families, our country, our military, for lying, for being a cokehead, a drunk, a liar, a traitor guilty of treason - Of course I didn't get thru but some repuke did to call Democrats Communists and fools.

[wicket]

15. kicked and nominated

:kick:

[Cha]

16. rove is a fool and

anyone who thinks he's a so called "genius" is under gross misapprehension.

he's an evil manipulator who's appealing to people's fear base but it can't go on forever.

[bettyellen]

17. we "get" the fact that repubs will use it as an excuse to invade 2 more

countries after already going into afghanastan and iraq.
how many countries aside from saudi arabia are we going invade because of this?
and where'd those hijackers come from in the first place?
say what mr rove?

[Logician]

19. Remove the Stain-- Campaign to Remove Rove

1. This is not about highlighting differences between conservative and liberal approaches to war or working with the enemy.

2. These are neo-con sound bites designed to easily imprint negative images of liberals in the minds of the masses.

Easily digested, it paints liberals as out of touch-- offering love and understanding to the enemy.

3. We need to craft easily digested sound bites which smear Rove as a dishonest political consultant who will say anything to remain in control.

He is a stain on our democracy and needs to be smeared until he is politically impotent. A simple campaign of sound bites would work here!

4. Is it any wonder why Rove emerged this week in particular? Shrub is now becoming known to most Americans as a total failure and a liar. Time to take the focus off of Bush!

[patdem]

21. DO NOT let them get away with this Rove is Deputy Chief of Staff

and NOT Rove, Bush's chief political adviser,Rove is officially a member of this administration and not JUST a political adviser!

Here is the google page about his promotion after black January 2005 http://www.google.com/search?as_q=karl+rove&num=10&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=promoted&as_oq=2005&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images

[ucmike]

23. rove to dems: hold your breath till apology arrives.

strange that they were able to see the savagery of 9/11 and prepare for war years before it happened.

[rodeodance]

25. whow--dems not taking this lying down--Good for them!

[Jack Rabbit]

26. Rove won't apologize

Lying like that is his business.

[ibegurpard]

29. He won't need to.

Because the media will not make an issue out of this.

[Jack Rabbit]

35. No, but why should they?

Since when was something so commonplace as lies and smears from Rove and the GOP attack machine news?

Maybe they should have given Rove the same kind of coverage they initially gave the Downing Street Memo and just not but him on the air in the first place.

[maxrandb]

56. You Are So Right, but I would Add

"lies and smears from Rove and the GOP attack machine" are now considered a "fair and ballanced" presentation of the other side of the story. You know, just to make sure the "Librul Media" is not labeled as the "Librul Media".

If you have a news show about the sky being blue, you must also include comments from the people who claim the sky is green. Have to be "fair and ballanced", don't ya' know?

"Truth Has a Liberal Bias".

[Festivito]

106. ..and a smoke screen from the DSM and Sibel.

Trading instults is so much more important than lying us into war or leaving us vulnerable to terrorist attack on 9/11/01.

Well, we'll spend just as much media time on it.

[Name removed]

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[Jack Rabbit]

34. Good point and welcome to DU, Mr. Mexico

I wouldn't be satisfied with an apology from the propaganda minister, either.

I'll be satisfied when he's sentenced for his part in Bush regime war crimes.

[Ron Mexico]

37. Thanks, much appreicated (n/t)

[lancdem]

53. He won't apologize

but I'm guessing the point of this is to shine a light on his hideousness, which most of the public doesn't know about.

[bklyncowgirl]

32. Demand. Don't ask. nt

[lancdem]

54. They are

The article says "demand."

[Catfight]

33. This won't even be in the news...the conservative media won't report it.

[rodeodance]

40. but it IS and AP story which should circulate (hope)

........Schumer said Democrats were drafting a letter asking Rove to retract his remarks. Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., also called on President Bush to "immediately repudiate Karl Rove's offensive and outrageous comments."

Rove also denounced Sen. Dick Durbin's comments comparing interrogation at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp to the methods of Nazis and other repressive regimes. He said the statements have been broadcast throughout the Middle East, putting U.S. troops in greater danger. The Illinois Democrat has since apologized for the remarks.

"No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals," Rove said.

AP-ES-06-23-05 1034EDT

[rodeodance]

41. Reed calling on Jr to repudiate Roves offensive & outragous comments

Harry Reid, D-Nev., also called on President Bush to "immediately repudiate Karl Rove's offensive and outrageous comments."

[JerseygirlCT]

44. Yes! Yes! Glad to see this. We cannot let it slide! nt

[maddezmom]

55. now it's apologize or resign

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050623/ap_on_re_us/rove_speech;_

[JerseygirlCT]

42. No! Demand BUSH apologize for his lap dog.

Put it squarely where it belongs.

Don't let them weenie out with blaming Rove. Go right for Bush. Demand he distance himself from Rove.

[Logician]

71. Bush is Rove's Lap Dog

Shrub is an idiot puppet working Karl's talking points.

[JerseygirlCT]

83. Yeah, but they don't want to admit that, do they?

Make 'em.

[Lorien]

43. Time to write another letter:

I don't know of ANY democrat who was against ousting the Taliban. But here's a fact for Mr. Rove; allowing bin Laden to run free while attacking a nation who had NOTHING to do with 9/11 so you can fleece the American taxpayer to enrich your political contributors is TREASON! Democrats don't want to give terrorists "therapy"; they want to know how the attacks were ALLOWED to happen on that horrible day. Something that BushCo seems to have little or no interest in, which should outrage EVERY American; those who fail to learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. Make no mistake about it; 9/11 happened on Bush's watch and IS one of the worst intelligence failures of our lifetimes. He had the warnings, and he ignored them. Yet again, this is nothing less than TREASON AGAINST AMERICA! Rove must not only apologize to Democrats, he and the entire administration should resign for their treasonous actions against our country.

[AX10]

49. While Bush was smoozing with the Saudi "terrorists"....

Democrats wanted to take the fight to the REAL Terrorists. Democrats are the one's that should be trusted on National Security.

[Lorien]

78. Good point!

Rove has given us an opportunity to make a lot of them! :evilgrin:

[PATRICK]

45. "and prepared for war"

on America. It is the only thing the RW IS prepared for. By the way, NY Conservatives are just as pathetic now as they were before 911.

[moondust]

47. Give us the quotes, KKKarl, or shut the fuck up.

If what he says is true then there will certainly be plenty of famous quotations by Democrats out there to support his broad generalization. Once he presents his evidence there can be a proper assessment of his propaganda.

KKKarl Rove is a moron.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

48. CNN international just showed Rove giving the speech

and quickly changed the subject to Durbin's comments

[NeoConsSuck]

102. Fair and Balanced:

CNN.COM had the Durbin story on their front page for an entire afternoon, evening, and overnight until noon the next day.

They had the KKKarl Rove story on their front page for two hours. Go to CNN.COM now, it is nowhere to be seen.

[Supersedeas]

51. Moderation is a mistake...WAR is the answer! Thank you KKKarl

[confludemocrat]

69. Yes, wake up, with each passing day they are dismantling our nation.

And being "reasonable" as practiced by the fainthearted is not stopping that. They have too many enablers to "self-destruct" so forget about waiting for that.

[maddezmom]

52. updated: Dems Say Rove Should Apologize or Resign

By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer
15 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - White House adviser Karl Rove should either apologize or resign for saying liberals responded to the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes by wanting to "prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Democrats said Thursday.

Adding to the rancor, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., suggested that Republican charges that Democrats were undermining the war on terror with their criticism of administration policies amounted to an act of desperation.

"The president wanted to go to Iraq in the worst possible way and he did," Pelosi said. "The president is on the ropes."

Rove, Bush's chief political adviser, said in a speech Wednesday that "liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Conservatives, he told the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

~snip~
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050623/ap_on_re_us/rove_speech;_

[lancdem]

57. I love that they're escalating the pressure

Democrats were quick to respond — and in growing numbers.

"Karl Rove should immediately and fully apologize for his remarks or he should resign," Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said in a statement. "I hope the president will join me in repudiating these remarks."

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called on Bush to "show some leadership and unequivocally repudiate Rove's divisive and damaging political rhetoric."

During a Senate hearing on Iraq in which Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other military leaders testified, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., read Rove's statement and urged them to reject the remarks.

"I would hope that you and other members of the administration would immediately repudiate such an insulting comment from a high-ranking official in the president's inner circle," Clinton said.

[Bake]

112. But ... but ... he's a UNITER, not a DIVIDER!

Didn't you get the memo?

Bake

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! :puke:

[confludemocrat]

66. Me too, "the president is on the ropes"(!) Where's our "echo chamber"?

Now who is gonna join in and finish him and Rove off? Where's our echo chmaber? Kerry?, Biden?, Obama?, Richardson? Daley? ANYONE!!?? Oh, I forgot these latter four only "eat our own" as the apologists for these people would term it when we criticize them for attacking a stand-up Democrat.

[TankLV]

122. WHERE IS DALEY?!?!?!

He was mighty quick to lash out at another fellow dem, who was essentially correct. Where is Mr. "I'm so concerned and offended" now?!!!!

HEY DALEY - WATSA MATTER - CAN'T FIND YOUR SPEECH WRITER - OR ARE YOU TO BUSY FELLATING YOUR FELLOW REPUKES?!!!!

[Barkley]

110. Hillary's from NY. Did she call for a re-traction too?

Under no circumstances will I vote for Hillary, Edwards or Kerry in 2008.

I've had it with these mealy-mouth Dems.

[mom cat]

61. Conservatives call for no restraint, just bomb the hell out of people

who did nothing to us in the first place.

[QuettaKid]

62. AmericaBlog has Karl's phone number up....

Here's Karl Roves' White House phone number. Have fun
by John in DC - 6/23/2005 12:48:00 PM

[phone]

[mom cat]

77. Welcome to DU QuettaKid! I love your style!

:hi:

[Miss Chybil]

74. We had to bomb somebody, didn't we?

Who cares if they were guilty! Ah-ooooo-ah!

/sarcasm

[mom cat]

76. Good point! Those bombs were just going to get old and rust. What a waste

that would have been!

[Miss Chybil]

79. Plus, dead people won't stand in the unemployment line and we can

keep the live ones busy building more BOMBS! Wooo-hooo! I should run for PRESIDENT! I'm brilliant!

Miss Chybil for President!
Chybil 08!

:woohoo:

[mom cat]

80. I'll vote for you! With a platform like yours, you are a shoe-in!

[Miss Chybil]

91. Let's do it then. I'm calling Wolf Blitzer now...

Oh, and Diebold. I want to make sure your one vote divides and multiplies.

:patriot:

[CityDem]

63. You won't see Rove crying like a baby on nightly news

Rove is very calculating and will not apologize. Notice how he used the term liberal in his most disparaging remark:

"liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."

The media won't say a word and Rove will skate on this controversy.

[lancdem]

70. Yes, he did that on purpose

He knew not to say Democrats. We'll see how this plays out.

[ckramer]

65. Hot tip from Karl Rove

[NashVegas]

67. Wise Words from Josh Marshall

Don't forget that these statements are meant to outrage you. You're a targeted audience They're meant to perpetuate a state of maximal polarization in this country -- the state of affairs most suited for vampires like Mr. Rove to suck the nation dry.

[Carolab]

107. Exactly right. All Rove is trying to do and ALWAYS has is divide us.

"Divide and conquer"....sound familiar?

Howard Dean has the rebuttal "We're all in this together".

It's the REPUBLICANS who are dividing our country and ruining it. NOT the Democrats.

[ecstatic]

68. AM I DREAMING? ITS ALSO FRONT PAGE ON YAHOO

"Dems Say Rove Should Apologize or Resign"

Not only that, Dean deserves an apology from Cheney as well!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050623/ap_on_go_pr_wh/rove_speech

[FourStarDemocrat]

90. Vote it up folks! n/t

[slor]

72. Thank goodness...

call these fuckers on everything!

[demokatgurrl]

73. The difference between Democrats and Republicans:

Democrats apologize every frickin' day; Republicans never do. Don't hold your breath waiting for Rove's.

[Roland99]

75. And the dems were right to call for moderations and restraint

What's been the result of the YEE-HAW foreign policy? A world in chaos.

[RetroLounge]

81. Do not demand an apology

Instead Schumer should walk up to Rove, and punch him in the nose.

hard.

RL

[ibegurpard]

84. Right

Then watch how quickly the tort-reform-advocate Republicans would file a lawsuit.

[Disturbed]

88. These stupid remarks by Rove could backfire.

If Dems re-frame the issues. Pound on the fact that the Bush Regime was preparing for an illegal Invasion of Iraq before the 911 Attacks and then manipulated the Intell and lied to the Congress and the Amerikan people about WMDs. Impeachment is required.

[nolabels]

85. They are pulling your chain

And just because you believe in LEGITIMATE LAW AND ORDER does not make you a liberal or whatever else you abhor of being called. The classic double ad hominem they use in the smear. It is used to make the contemporary your only option (if you chose to react). If one feels that because it is better to be mad and hostile than understand your buttons can be pushed. With the reaction they are getting they will be able to keep people engaged for a long time

When the criminal spews out "prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers" the effect of calling others ineffectual plays like a violin. They react and the other side has expelled minimal amounts of energy The Pubs say bite and Dem's say how hard.

In this exchange though it is their fear that is shown, it is a fear in contemplative reasoning and it tells much. It is that pushing away they are doing of anything that seems rational. Intellectually they don't have the coins and that is what getting to them, this is the chink in the facade that must be dug into.

They also are looking to fortify the view ingrained into the vast publics mind that 9/11 was of epic consequences from a vast unseen evil force. This force that they say is from beyond the governments grasp and has to be subdued at any cost.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

[FourStarDemocrat]

89. Dems should say "Rove needs his mouth moderated & be put in restraints. "

I guess 4 years of capitalizing on 9/11 will only take a bunch of crooks and liars so far.

[Skypilot 18]

92. Being a neo-con means

Being a neo-con means never having to say you're sorry. Oh and also never telling the truth about anything.

[Name removed]

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[LiberalAndProud]

94. Democrats demand Rove apology

Bush adviser said liberals urge ‘understanding’ for 9-11 attackers
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:03 p.m. ET June 23, 2005

NEW YORK - Democrats demanded Thursday that White House adviser Karl Rove either apologize or resign for accusing liberals of wanting “therapy and understanding” for the Sept. 11 attackers, escalating the rancor that threatens to consume Washington.

Rove’s comments — and the response from the political opposition — mirrored earlier flaps over Democratic chairman Howard Dean’s criticism of Republicans, a House Republican’s statement that Democrats demonize Christians and Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin’s comparison of the Guantanamo prison to Nazi camps and Soviet gulags.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan came to Rove’s defense, saying the president’s chief political adviser was “simply pointing out the different philosophies and different approaches when it comes to winning the war on terrorism.”

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8324598/

[Cha]

95. The question is should rove "apologize"

for lying?

he didn't misspeak ..he flat out lied as a diversionary tactic.

[Totally Committed]

96. I seriously hope

no one is holding their breath.... It ain't gonna happen, folks.

TC

[Initech]

97. What the hell is he talking about?

We dont want therapy, we want answers!

Something that the White House wont give us!

[WI_DEM]

98. Yes, where is the media which was jumping over Howard Dean's

rather innocent and accurate remarks that "The Republican party is a white christian party"?? Apparently it's ok for Rove and fellow fatso Limpballs to portray Democrats negatively.

[movonne]

99. If we keep the heat on Rove, it takes it off Durbin...

[Brundle_Fly]

100. idiot rove.

[LiberalAndProud]

101. I WANT AN APOLOGY!

Democrats serving in Iraq should request HONORABLE discharge.

Support the troops? My eye.

[IndianaGreen]

108. Rove, and now Mehlman, are only saying what Bush/Cheney think

If you are not with Bush, you are against GAWD and Amerika!

Now, let's go and change the Constitution to protect the flag and keep gays from marrying. Who cares that the Bill of Rights has been incinerated by Bush!

[dArKeR]

109. Moral Americans call for Rove to be tried for Crimes Against Humanity

Baghdad June 22, 2005 in the year of our Lord.




http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/photo/2005/06/24/2005037818

[Coastie for Truth]

111. Rove has lost it

His own Department of reports

After September 11, 2001, America witnessed a wellspring of selflessness and heroism. People in every corner of the country asked, "What can I do?" and "How can I help?" Citizen Corps was created to help all Americans answer these questions through public education and outreach, training, and volunteer service.

in describing

The Community Emergency Response Team (CERT) Program educates people about disaster preparedness and trains them in basic disaster response skills, such as fire safety, light search and rescue, and disaster medical operations. Using their training, CERT members can assist others in their neighborhood or workplace following an event and can take a more active role in preparing their community. The program is administered by DHS.

.

Ham Radio's and - which are frequently interlocking and overlapping at the local level - reported major jumps in training,membership, and participation.

Meanwhile, governmental programs such as and both reported jumps in training, membership, and retention of new members.

And, of course, the stalwart of the Emergency Response NGO's the reported a massive jump in training, membership, and most important, retention of new responders.

One can only ask - where does Mr. Rove get his numbers and facts --- maybe from his medicinal marijuana.

Rove is losing it in the non-partisan, bi-partican, apartisan volunteer emergency responder community.

[Bake]

113. Fuck Rove. I don't WANT an apology

I want the Dems to make this a centerpiece campaign ad next year!! The Pukes are NOT about UNITING this country, they're all about division and wedge issues!

WHEN WHEN WHEN will the fucking sheep in this country WAKE THE FUCK UP and realize it? All they have to do is open their damn eyes!

Where is the "tipping point?"

Bake

[truthisfreedom]

116. it's very easy to brand and paint rove as unrepentant in his devisive,

partisan attacks on decent Americans. there's a hell of a lot of Christian Democrats out there that he's attacked and belittled. he'll never apologize... they never do, but we need to keep hammering this point home. rove is devisive and destructive to America and Americans.

[David Zephyr]

118. Kick!

:kick:

[victim]

119. You have got to be kidding me

Rove is a two-bit hack at best. Anybody who thinks otherwise is ignoring the fact that Democratic party is either entirely coopted by other interests or they are the largest collection of weenies ever assembled into the semblance of a political organization.

Since that latter alternative is a complete farce...

So please people, lets start discussing something important rather than flotsam like Rove

[TankLV]

120. About time! Now, don't wimp out again and backtrack!

Stand firm, dammit!