US not losing in Iraq, Rumsfeld insists

[maddezmom]

15 minutes ago



WASHINGTON (AFP) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld assured lawmakers in Congress that US troops are defeating the stubborn insurgency in Iraq, and rejected calls that the Pentagon scale back the military presence there.

"Any who say that we've lost this war, or that we're losing this war, are wrong. We are not," said Rumsfeld, who appeard with his top military commanders at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Rumsfeld noted that some in Congress have suggested that deadlines be set for a US withdrawal, but he rejected that idea as counterproductive to US military objectives, and said it would only embolden the United States' enemies.

"It would throw a lifeline to terrorists, who in recent months have suffered significant losses and casualties, been denied havens and suffered weakened popular support," he said.

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more:http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050623/pl_afp/usiraqmilitary_050623164100

A Few More Headlines:
Baghdad car bombings kill 17, Rumsfeld insists US winning war
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050623/ts_afp/iraq_050623164824

Rumsfeld rejects notion Iraq war is a 'quagmire'
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050623/pl_nm/iraq_usa_dc_5

[HuckleB]

1. The eternal juveniles of the Bush administration throw another tantrum.

:eyes:

[saigon68]

26. What more do you expect from a Thug and a WAR CRIMINAL?

[louis-t]

2. They've been trotting out lots of generals too

to say "we're winning, last throes, hard work, Iraqis voted (that means we won), etc. etc. blah, blah...."

[acmavm]

3. This is one dumb Mo Fo (to borrow a phrase from Rick Perry). He just

will not get a clue, will he. Or even worse, maybe he knows but just refuses to tell the truth. In which case he's a traitor to the American people and the country. Because you can't be true to both a lying sack of shit criminal administration and the people of US (or the Constitution which sets out the rights and duties of us all).

[dbt]

4. Guess it depends on your definition of "winning."

Halliburton is literally making a killing off bu$hler's war.

[ckramer]

5. ya right, Rummy!

[demo dutch]

6. When is he taking his blinders off!

[Raknrun]

7. Nothing fishy...

about the timing on this one, huh?

http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.18615/article_detail.asp

[meganmonkey]

9. Interesting link

You should listen to what this soldier has to say:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3922532

[Frederik]

15. AEI alternative reality

"The Iraqi security forces, for example, are vastly more competent, and in some cases quite inspiring."

Yeah, well, according to Washington Post journalists who spent some time recently with an Iraqi army unit, they hate the Americans and sing songs to Saddam's praise, while they admire the insurgency and mostly plan to join it...

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Hey Rummy remember McNamara? He used to say

that we were winning in Viet Nam as well...

Or... Lord Acton? I Know the reference is really obscure to you MoFo... he said the same things to Parlaiment in the 1920s

Now McNamara lived long enough to ahem admit, you know what I think Ellsberg was right... Lord Acton did not... but let me seee how did Nam end? Did yuo miss the choppers over the US Embassy at Saigon? How did the British Misadventure end in Iraa? Took a little longer, unless you add the fight against the French in Viet Nam as well... but in the end the brits also left... they got tired of the explosive laced candies you know. (That was in 1955... I am sure the grandparents of some of the Guards in Iraq remember that deployment well... the Regiments have had families serving consistently over the centuries)

So I hope you have the years to realize, assuming you will be able to, I doubt it... we made a mistake.

Oh and it is our kids paying for it... when are your kids joining the line infantry to fight tnis war?

[Pachamama]

10. What does Rummy consider to be a lost or losing War?

Just wondering...what a scary thought..... :scared:

[ET Awful]

11. It's not a quagmire, it's a temporary casualty overrun and misalignment.

Nothing to worry about.

[gratuitous]

12. How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg?

Four; calling his tail a leg doesn't make it one. And stubbornly repeating over and over that we're not losing doesn't make it so, either.

But if this is what victory looks like to Rumfilled, I'd hate to see what he calls defeat. And Rumfilled, as much as anyone, should understand that a dedicated bunch of ruffians, thugs, murderers and monkey-wrenchers don't need popular support to be successful.

[malmapus]

13. Why can't we simply outsource this war to India like we do everything else

..

[Beetwasher]

14. "I Can Handle Things! I'm Smart!"

"It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!"

[shanti]

16. and the earth is flat too n/t

:eyes:

[lumpy]

17. Rummy uses his mouth (&hands)

to fight Bushco's War. Doesn't work, Rummy. It takes more than tranparent propaganda to do any job. Bush is a failure because of the same propaganda tactics.

[EVDebs]

18. In guerrilla warfare a 'mexican standoff' is as good as a win

Just like in Vietnam, they know we can't stay there forever. We might as well pull back to Kuwait/Qatar, let the civil war play itself out, and support the side we want to win (Shia/Kurd coalition) and let them kill off the foreign jihadists.

Take the target off our guy's backs for a couple of years and get outta the quagmire for awhile.

[Ganja Ninja]

19. This is the same guy that said our troops would be ...

greeted as liberators and showered with flowers from the Iraqi people. He is as nutty as a fruitcake. He should never have been given the job he now holds and he should have been fired long ago.

[Roland99]

20. He's right. I mean, look at the daily car bomb attacks in Houston.

Oh wait....

[plasticsundance]

21. Everyone in the Bush Administartion talk out their asses

Back on planet earth and reality:




I.E.D. Attacks Reaching The Highest Number Since The Invasion

[ecoalex]

22. All Righty Then !!

You'll have to tell the truth in court in your ACLU trial Rummy.

[darkism]

23. Rumsfeld "full of shit," public insists. n/t

[radar]

24. And we should believe this guy...

Hehe - riiiiiiight....

WMD's located in Iraq

We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north 3/30/03

I know for a fact that no one in the Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction. 6/21/05

Think Progress - pants on fire
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/23/donald-rumsfeld-pants-on-fire/

[grumpy old fart]

25. He's right. So, let's declare Victory and leave.

Otherwise, we are gonna have to wait another 5 years and 40,000 killed and wounded until they are forced to do just that....

[MadisonProgressive]

27. My only comment to 'rummy' is

:rofl:

[lebkuchen]

28. What war? It is an invasion, and the US is getting its just desserts

What would the US do if Iraq had invaded American shores? The same damn deal.

[Jacobin]

29. Does anyone still believe a word this mendacious creep says?

I mean really now.

"A handful of dead-enders"...anyone remember that?

Conflict will last 'six days, six weeks, no longer than six months'

I guess the only thing it takes in this administration to get fired is to do a reasonably good job and be honest. Then you are history.

[maddezmom]

31. nope

[Name removed]

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[Lautremont]

32. U.S. Not Losing War, Rumsfeld Insists

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/06/23/rumsfeld-050623.html

I like the bit at the end from Lindsey Graham, "People are beginning to question... we have a chronic problem on our hands."

Oh, yes. Always a problem for these types when people think or ask questions.

[GRLMGC]

33. Oh I know. Just like we won Vietnam

Oh wait...

[underpants]

34. Well since Rummy always lies that must mean we are losing it

Great job there you seasoned adult experts.

[deutsey]

35. It's not that we're losing the war....we're just not winning it, see?

:eyes:

[Canuckistanian]

36. The Humvees keep getting bogged down by all the flowers...

...thrown by Iraqis.

[UpInArms]

37. "chronic problem" = habitual liars and criminals

now usurping the highes offices of the land.

[Catfight]

38. Everyone is losing in this war, except Halliburton and the Bush cartels. n

[tk2kewl]

39. and Nixon was not a crook

[Postman]

40. Good. Then there's no need for more troops (i.e Draft).

n/t

[whistle]

41. Lindsey Graham is a total phony who let it slip that the real America

...is the Confederacy which unfortunately lost the war between the states, but as I have suspected, Graham believes the Confederacy will be restored. He and his kind can go and build the Confederacy on another planet, it has no place on earth.

[marbuc]

49. What?

Substantiate these comments please?

[Jacobin]

52. Hi and welcome to DU

There are some hyperbolic posts here from time to time. I think he refers to portions of the RW's base that consists of folks who would like to roll back the Civil Rights Act of 1964, stop affirmative action and such.

Glad to see you and look forward to your posts.

:hi:

[HockeyMom]

42. Dear Donald,

You may not have SERVED during Vietnam, but unless you were living under a rock back then, Iraq is FAR, FAR WORSE than Nam.

The insurgency of Vietnam cannot hold a candle to the insurgency of Iraq.

[TahitiNut]

43. "... U.S. Always Knows Where To Find Any War, Rumsfeld Knows"

:shrug:

[cliss]

44. Now, go to the article (I read it on Yahoo News)

Take a close look at RumsFailed. Look at both sides of his face (I know, it's tough).

What you see is a defeated man. Is that a look of triumph? A man who has carried his country through tough times, and on to victory?

I think not. It shows in his face. Regardless of whatever he may say to the committee, his look told me everything I needed to know. He doesn't need to lie, because it's all there.

He doesn't need to do a "Pep Talk". Nor does Bush, which he is going to do anyway.

Everything about the insurgency is to be found in this man's face.

[shadowknows69]

45. no, we just can't seem to win it n/t

[Oversea Visitor]

46. Ahhh where that lying gone

Now you worry we think war is lose
Nah we know we win war aginst you lol
You lose
Iraq war not our problem its you problem
all we want is asnwer to this
Bush lie
Soldiers die
No soldiers should die for a lie

republican party dont solve
I think you lose all seat

[Gidney N Cloyd]

47. No, Trelane.

"I was winning! You saw!"

[CorwinB]

48. Where do you end...

...After "turning the corner" four times ?

Just asking.

[Cha]

50. And cheney said this..

on russert's gag fest, March 16, 2003..

"Host Tim Russert asked whether "we would have to have several hundred thousand troops there" in Iraq "for several years in order to maintain stability." Cheney replied: "I disagree." He wouldn't say how many troops were needed, but he added that "to suggest that we need several hundred thousand troops there after military operations cease, after the conflict ends, I don't think is accurate. I think that's an overstatement."

Russert asked: "If your analysis is not correct, and we're not treated as liberators but as conquerors, and the Iraqis begin to resist, particularly in Baghdad, do you think the American people are prepared for a long, costly, and bloody battle with significant American casualties?"

Cheney would have none of it. "Well, I don't think it's likely to unfold that way, Tim, because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators. I've talked with a lot of Iraqis in the last several months myself, had them to the White House. . . . The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but what they want get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that."

Russert: "And you are convinced the Kurds, the Sunnis, the Shiites will come together in a democracy?"

Cheney: "They have so far." And the vice president concluded: "I think the prospects of being able to achieve this kind of success, if you will, from a political standpoint, are probably better than they would be for virtually any other country and under similar circumstances in that part of the world."


more..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/20/AR2005062001177.html

They all follow the same bullshit line so this is just more bullshit coming from "last throes" cheney and rummy.

[Lilith Velkor]

51. That 2nd headline is so absurd...

I rated the story a 5. :evilgrin:

[DFWJock]

53. This just in...

war/cakewalk won, dancing in the streets continues.

[Lilith Velkor]

55. Ja mon...

:bounce: :woohoo: :party: :nuke: :hide:

[StrafingMoose]

54. Not loosing, but not safer

"US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has acknowledged that security in Iraq has not improved statistically since Saddam Hussein's fall in 2003."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4090626.stm


Sounds like a trapped rat if you ask me...

[Skypilot 18]

56. Ted Kennedy asked RUMJOB

Isn't it time for you to resign?

I think it is. I also think it's time for the whole bunch to be put on trial for treason and war crimes.

[Cush]

57. CBS just aired that

[struggle4progress]

58. Moon Made of Green Cheese, President's Science Panel Adds. eom