China 'is more popular' than U.S. (around the World) (BBC News)

[Up2Late]

(This kind of story always forces me to say, "Way to go, George!")

China 'is more popular' than US

America's image is still so tattered abroad after the Iraq war that China is viewed more favourably than the US in many countries, a global poll finds.

Thursday, 23 June, 2005, 18:03 GMT 19:03 UK

It's image has not recovered in Western European countries, the US-based Pew Research Center found. In none of the 16 countries surveyed, the US included, does a majority of the public think the war leading to Saddam Hussein's removal made the world safer.

But hostility towards the US has eased in some parts of the Muslim world. "It's amazing when you see the European public rating the United States so poorly, especially in comparison with China," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, which carried out the survey.

China is well considered in Europe and Asia, although there is considerable wariness about its growing economic and military power. Solid majorities in every European nation except Turkey would not like to see China rival the US as a military superpower, the survey said.

'Hardworking'

A majority of the public in 10 of the 15 countries surveyed holds unfavourable opinions of the US. President George W Bush's calls for greater democracy in the Middle East and US aid to tsunami victims in Asia have been welcomed in many countries.

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4124164.stm>
(more at link above)

[UpInArms]

1. Well Lookie There! George finally won the race

to the bottom.

:cry:

[Deja Q]

44. Or the rat race. The rats won.

[Double T]

2. China is an emerging nation while the U.S. is a regressing nation...

with no thanks to our friends at Walmart and with lots of help from our politicians.

[justinsb]

8. Yeah, the US as superpower is over

unfortunately the US is still a nuclear power and so retains some power to threaten, but the thing that really propped up the US empire - the best PR machine in the world - has broken down and fallen apart, the facination with McDonalds, Elvis, blue jeans and hollywood that funneled billions of dollars into the US economy and made people give the US the benefeit of the doubt in foreign policy is gone and what the world is staring at right now is the naked truth...if the US wants to improve it's image the naked truth has to start looking better, the propganda won't work anymore.

[IndianaGreen]

42. The greed of US corporations led to the scuttling of our industrial base

It was more profitable to move manufacturing and heavy industrial jobs to cheap labor markets, such as China, than to pay decent wages to the American workers.

All empires die, some more suddenly than others. China, who is not a poster child for human rights, is on the rise while the US is in rapid decline. I won't shed a tear for the demise of the cruel American empire, but I do grieve every day for the Republic we once had.

[orwell]

3. China

has a long way to go when it comes to human rights. But Georgie has effectively managed to obscure this with his own brand of gunboat stupidity.

Yay...we're number one!

[NewJeffCT]

20. not just human rights

Their environment needs help, their infrastructure also needs serious upgrading like ours, labor rights are limited even compared to Bush's America, their banking system is close to the US's in the 1920s...

but, China is heading in the right direction. Can we say the same about us?

[orwell]

36. Well

I'll assume that's a rhetorical question... ;)

[NewJeffCT]

52. Over the past 25 years...

Since they've opened up economically 25 years ago, China has moved 300 million people out of poverty. I'm guessing that since St. Ronnie took over in 1980, the ranks of poverty have increased here in the US...

[mpendragon]

4. America has lost so much because of these fools

Part of America's strength was it's ability to inspire people of other nations. We've lost that because of these greedy, ignorant, fools.

[justinsb]

6. It's not just these fools

It's a history of aggression, crime, exploitation and empire by proxy that goes back decades. Clinton started to move in the right direction with Palistine/Israel and N.Ireland but then Bush did a 180 and things got worse than ever. What's changed is that the world, via this wonderful medium we're using now, is talking, comparing notes and forming opinions.

[justinsb]

5. That's not even a little suprising to me.

Have a look at this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3929348&mesg_id=3929348

Bush not only managed to lose the 'battle for heards and minds' in the middle east, but in Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Brazil, Venezuela, etc.

[bushisanidiot]

7. WalMart Shopping Freeptards should be happy. China owns the U.S.

so that just means our master has been voted most popular!

hooray!


will the new Chi-merica flags be made over seas too?

[ckramer]

10. Let's stop using this "WalMart Shopping Freeptards " thing

Lots of democrats shop at Walmart too.

[getmeouttahere]

11. If they are, then I have one question for them....

how do you sleep at night? Did you get tips from BushCo?

[bushisanidiot]

13. How about "CHINA-mart shopping freeptards". Is that better?

these idiots PROUDLY shop there because they are anti-union. do you have any idea how rabily ANTI-UNION the freeptards are? they'd sell their souls to the devil if they thought he was a union buster.

Wal-mart shopping freeptards are anti-american and proud of it.

Evidence will be on display this 4th of July as THOUSANDS of american flag waving freeptards all over this country set down their beers and belch "god bless chi-merica"..

american flags the freeptards bought at Wal-mart for 2 cents each made by non-union represented children in china.

[ckramer]

14. Read this comment

from Stephen Simpson, do any of you fall into this 'hypocritical' category?

"To me, though, these accusations are somewhat hypocritical. Here in my state, there are rampant complaints about American imports of textiles and furniture, yet many of those who complain drive away in Japanese cars and go home to watch DVDs with their Korean-made players. And so, too, in Detroit, Silicon Valley, or anywhere else -- foreign imports are terrible when they threaten your job, but when they make your life easier or save you money, they're just fine.

Wal-Mart's real crime In my humble opinion, Wal-Mart's real sin is that it has been successful. Extremely successful."

=====

What do you think of his opinion?

[cprise]

16. S. Korean and Japanese workers have rights

...and get benefits. They have a high standard of living.

I have no problem paying for Japanese and Korean labor, esp. when it's creating things like hybrid cars.

[ckramer]

21. Let's try your logic:

Iraqis under Saddam had no rights (I don't believe it 100%), rigt? Yet why most of its exported oil were consumed up by Americans without question?

Cheap imports are good for the majority, because Americans get good stuffs and pay less.

True, some industries got eliminated because of these foreign competition; but if we could not do a better job (namely, produce a good product with less cost) let's give it up (and shouldn't whine about it either).

I thought this has nothing to do with politics. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[cprise]

23. You assume way too much.

I've boycotted oil for years.

[stickdog]

19. Walmart's sin is hypercapitalism fueled by slave labor. (nt)

[ckramer]

22. Yet the government allows it

Let's focus on that (i.e. the government, the economic policy) instead.

Fighting for the raising of minimum wages, better benefits for low-pay workers including education and health care benefits...that should be the focus of democrats.

[stickdog]

24. Yep. Part of the slave labor is in China and part of it is over here.

Our platform should attempt to address this issue in both locations (raise minimum wage & institute a "quality of life" tariff on Chinese products, for example).

[ckramer]

25. Greenspan Says

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050623/greenspan_china.html?.v=19">Tariffs on Chinese Products Would Harm Consumers and Not Protect U.S. Jobs.

Tariffs will harm democrats more than republicans because democrats are not as wealthy as republicans. I agree with Alan on this.

China will retaliate too. Our wheats, rice and beans will be taxed by their tariffs. It's a two way street that no one comes out ahead.

Today's globalism has developed into such an entwined network that no one can live without the interaction of others.

[stickdog]

35. Perhaps. However, local economies benefit when the money spent

locally is reinvested or at least recirculated locally.

Multinational corporations and investors are the primary beneficiaries when a large percentage of the money spent locally flies somewhere else.

[Up2Late]

38. Hey, I know a site with a few * pictures you might want...

...for you collection.

<http://www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html>

[cascadiance]

40. Have to once again oblige the reference to China Mart!

[mitchum]

37. This Democrat doesn't shop at WalMart

never have, never would, never will

[Oversea Visitor]

9. What you expect

Chimp a walking disaster x(

[warrens]

12. Now that's plain scary

Whatever else you might say about the Chinese government, "nice guys" ain't one of them. These are people who still drag smugglers into baseball stadiums and shoot them in front of a roaring crowd.

You really got to fuck up to be less popular than China.

[StevieM]

15. This really is sad. Bush has made us less popular than.....

those Nazis running China.

Steve

[cal04]

17. Anti-US sentiment entrenched: poll

ANTI-US sentiment is firmly entrenched around the world, mainly because of President George W Bush and his policies, to such a degree even US humanitarian efforts do little to curb it, according to a poll released today. The latest Pew Global Attitudes survey report revealed negative attitudes about the United States, are so strong even among traditional allies such as the French and Canadians, US aid to tsunami victims or Mr Bush's encouragement of democracy in the Middle East have done little to blunt them.

The report cited the re-election of Mr Bush in November and the continuing war in Iraq, one of his major policy priorities, as the principal causes of the lingering anti-US feeling. "The United States has a huge challenge at this point," said former US secretary of state Madeleine Albright, co-chair of the Pew Global Attitudes Project.

The survey of some 17,000 people in the United States and 15 other countries from April 20 to May 31, found the US image was much less positive than that of four other leading nations: France, Germany, Japan and China. It also found the reputation of US nationals was not as good as it once was, especially among Canadians, where 53 per cent said Americans were rude. The poll's margin of error was four percentage points.This year's results confirm the decline in the US image worldwide revealed in previous polls taken annually since 2002, most notably in western European and Muslim countries.

The United States received a 50 per cent or better favourable rating from respondents in only six of the 16 countries surveyed. In contrast, China received it from 11 countries, and France, Germany and Japan from 13 countries.
Attitudes towards the United States were most positive in India, with 71 per cent, and least positive in Jordan, with 21 per cent.

more
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15714733%255E1702,00.html

[Algorem]

18. Canadians look down on Americans

Washington — Canadians are becoming even more negative about Americans, viewing them as “rude, greedy and violent,” suggests a survey released Thursday by the Pew Research Center.

And while a majority of Canadians agreed Americans are inventive and hardworking, less than half called them honest, said the poll, which charted some minor improvements in a major global image problem that spiked after President George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq in 2003.

But the survey, conducted among nearly 17,000 people this spring in the United States and 15 other countries, suggested America remains “broadly disliked” in 10 of them and regard for Americans is going down, said Pew director Andrew Kohut.

“The magnitude of America's image problem is such that even popular U.S. policies have done little to repair it,” said the report.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050623.wcanam0622/BNStory/International/

[WillyT]

26. Poll: U.S. Image So Tattered Overseas That China Is More Popular !!!

<snip>

WASHINGTON (AP) - The United States' popularity in many countries - including longtime allies in Europe - is lagging behind even communist China.

The image of the U.S. slipped sharply in 2003, after its invasion of Iraq, and two years later has shown few signs of rebounding either in Western Europe or the Muslim world, an international poll found.

"The U.S. image has improved slightly, but is still broadly negative," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. "It's amazing when you see the European public rating the United States so poorly, especially in comparison with China."

In Britain, which prides itself on its "special relationship" with Washington, almost two-thirds of Britons, 65 percent, saw China favorably, compared with 55 percent who held a positive view of the United States. In France, 58 percent had an upbeat view of China, compared with 43 percent who felt that way about the U.S. The results were nearly the same in Spain and the Netherlands, the Pew poll found.

<snip>

Link: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBC5Z6NBAE.html

Thanks George, thanks a f*ckin lot!

:mad:

[Catfight]

27. After today's display of Rove's blatant hatred for American Democrats,

I like china better too!

[movonne]

28. I loved your answer, it gave me a great laugh and in this hell

we are living it feels good.

[havocmom]

29. US image so tattered at home

Castro is more popular

Re the SCOTUS today... that's the sort of stuff the Repblicans got all pissed at Castro about.

[Senior citizen]

30. Well China does still beat, arrest, and sometime shoot protesters

the same way the U.S. does, but they've got fewer prisoners in their gulag than we have in ours. And while they've threated, they haven't actually started any unjustified wars of aggression lately. Plus, so many products carry a "Made in China" label, most people feel like they live there. Also, they're a lot less hypocritical: they don't pretend to be a democracy. And I don't think they've "redefined" torture, abandoned the Geneva Convention, or refused to recognize the World Court. They're still a lousy country, but we're worse.

[Up2Late]

41. Let's not start praising anything about the Government of China

They are still are holding Tibetan religious leaders in prison (most of who are Tortured regularly) Some times to death.

"...2. Rigzin Wangyal - Report of death In February 2005, information received by the Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy (TCHRD) indicated that Rigzin Wangyal died in prison at the end of 2004. However, this has yet to be confirmed by the Chinese authorities. TCHRD's report also stated that Wangyal's body had not been handed over to his family. Wangyal (57) was accused of involvement in an underground political movement and was serving a 20 year sentence. His health condition was known to have gravely deteriorated due to constant torture during his years in prison...."

<http://www.freetibet.org/campaigns/stoptorture/index.html>

Including the Panchen Lama, who was abducted at age 6, and has not been seen now for 10 years.



"In May 1995, Chinese occupying forces abducted the six year-old Panchen Lama from his home in Tibet.
No one there has seen or heard from him since. His abduction was a crime not only against an innocent child,
but against the Tibetan nation and its way of life."
<http://www.freetibet.org/campaigns/panchen/index.html>

[Andrushka]

31. Very interesting

I live in Japan, and on the front page of the Japan Times English broadsheet today was a different AP article on the same thing. The second paragraph was the WTF of the week for me:

"The poor image persists even though the Bush administration has been promoting freedom and democracy throughout the world in recent months and has sent hundreds of millions of dollars in relief aid to Indian Ocean nations hit by the devastating December 26 tsunami."

This can also be found here: http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/jun/23us.htm

Since when did Simple Scotty begin writing for AP? :freak:

[ClarkUSA]

32. Japanese PM is VERY close Bush ally

And the AP Is owned and operated by some a very pro-Bush board of directors.

[Up2Late]

39. Do you have a link to the actual Japaneese Newspapers website?

I'd like to see who they are associated with.

[Endangered Specie]

33. Ouch...

seriously, China may be 'improving' but it has more than its fair share of problems :crazy:

[deadparrot]

34. Saw this earlier today...

it's a sad day for your country when Communist China is looked upon more favorably than you...

[Deja Q]

45. And us corporations are bribing elected officials to rescind laws AND make

us into a communist state.

Voting has been pointless for some time; all the corporations bought out our "elected" officials. Has been that way for 15+ years; I'm amazed the FMLA came into being (but it's going to go away shortly too).

[Deja Q]

43. LOL. The US --MADE-- China into what it is today.

We are the cause of our own destruction. No wonder China is more favorably seen.

[dooner]

46. Allies Prefer China to US in wake of Iraq war (CNN)

Poll: In wake of Iraq war, allies prefer China to U.S.

Thursday, June 23, 2005, CNN.COm


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States' image is so tattered overseas two years after the Iraq invasion that communist China is viewed more favorably than the U.S. in many long-time Western European allies, an international poll has found.

<snip>

The poll found suspicion and wariness of the United States in many countries where people question the war in Iraq and are growing wary of the U.S.-led campaign against terrorism.

"The Iraq war has left an enduring impression on the minds of people around the world in ways that make them very suspicious of U.S. intentions and makes the effort to win hearts and minds far more difficult," said Shibley Telhami, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/23/poll.america.ap/index.html

[shadowknows69]

47. Well, that's it for us then

:nuke:

[Oversea Visitor]

48. No sir

First we solve the Iraq problems
Then we work on the illegality of the Afgan war.
This has been documented
IN Tokyo March 2004

The world know
we wait

[LynnTheDem]

49. BRITAIN prefers CHINA over America.

Wake UP, America.

[Lecky]

50. Now that's just sad n/t

[LynnTheDem]

51. For us, yeah. Thanks BUSH. nt

[NeoConsSuck]

53. And now the icing on the cake

would be an international poll, "Who do you admire more, Chavez or Bush?"

The results of that poll would certainly give the american sheeple a tummy ache.

[Nostradamus]

54. a more telling poll would be who is the most hated