Families of 9/11 hit back at Rove's comments

[Cocoa]

In case anyone here has a computer that actually can open "Raw Story." Mine only opens the ads, then my computer crashes.

Anyway, maybe someone who can open the page can post an excerpt, it looks pretty good.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Families_of_September_11_tells_Rove_Stop_trying_to_reap_political_gain_from_0623.html

[rawstory]

1. tell me more about these broken ads... PM me what browser?

[cyberpj]

2. Families of September 11 tells Rove: Stop trying to 'reap' political gain

Families of September 11 tells Rove: Stop trying to 'reap' political gain from tragedy
RAW STORY

FOS11 Statement on Comments Made By Karl Rove

As families whose relatives were victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, we believe it is an outrage that any Democrat, any Republican, any conservative or any liberal, stakes a "high ground" position based upon the September 11th death and destruction. Doing so assumes that all those who died and their loved ones would agree. In truth, some would and some would not. By definition the conduct is divisive and, because it is intended to be self-serving and politicizes 9/11, it is offensive.

We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Families_of_September_11_tells_Rove_Stop_trying_to_reap_political_gain_from_0623.html

[Miss Chybil]

13. We all died a little that day.

It's bad enough we were terrorized by the terrorists. Why must we be terrorized by our government "officials?" I agree 100% with the 9/11 Families statement. This should be a political hands off issue. Remember, everybody was an American on 9/11. Everybody.

[ewagner]

3. Here's the statement

FOS11 Statement on Comments Made By Karl Rove

As families whose relatives were victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, we believe it is an outrage that any Democrat, any Republican, any conservative or any liberal, stakes a "high ground" position based upon the September 11th death and destruction. Doing so assumes that all those who died and their loved ones would agree. In truth, some would and some would not. By definition the conduct is divisive and, because it is intended to be self-serving and politicizes 9/11, it is offensive.

We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome.

[LaurenG]

4. works for me

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Families_of_September_11_tells_Rove_Stop_trying_to_reap_political_gain_from_0623.html

Families of September 11 tells Rove: Stop trying to 'reap' political gain from tragedy

RAW STORY

FOS11 Statement on Comments Made By Karl Rove

As families whose relatives were victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, we believe it is an outrage that any Democrat, any Republican, any conservative or any liberal, stakes a "high ground" position based upon the September 11th death and destruction. Doing so assumes that all those who died and their loved ones would agree. In truth, some would and some would not. By definition the conduct is divisive and, because it is intended to be self-serving and politicizes 9/11, it is offensive.

We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome.

[wakeme2008]

5. Here from the families site

http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/news.aspx?s=5#1352

June 23, 2005
FOS11 Statement on Comments Made By Karl Rove
As families whose relatives were victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, we believe it is an outrage that any Democrat, any Republican, any conservative or any liberal, stakes a "high ground" position based upon the September 11th death and destruction. Doing so assumes that all those who died and their loved ones would agree. In truth, some would and some would not. By definition the conduct is divisive and, because it is intended to be self-serving and politicizes 9/11, it is offensive. We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome.

[Bismillah]

6. Here it is

Families of September 11 tells Rove: Stop trying to 'reap' political gain from tragedy
RAW STORY

FOS11 Statement on Comments Made By Karl Rove

As families whose relatives were victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, we believe it is an outrage that any Democrat, any Republican, any conservative or any liberal, stakes a "high ground" position based upon the September 11th death and destruction. Doing so assumes that all those who died and their loved ones would agree. In truth, some would and some would not. By definition the conduct is divisive and, because it is intended to be self-serving and politicizes 9/11, it is offensive.

We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome.

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Families of September 11 is a non-partisan nonprofit organization founded by the relatives of those who died in the attacks of September 11, 2001. For further information, please visit our website at www.familiesofseptember11.org.

[Cha]

7. It's awesome!

"As families whose relatives were victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, we believe it is an outrage that any Democrat, any Republican, any conservative or any liberal, stakes a "high ground" position based upon the September 11th death and destruction. Doing so assumes that all those who died and their loved ones would agree. In truth, some would and some would not. By definition the conduct is divisive and, because it is intended to be self-serving and politicizes 9/11, it is offensive.

We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome."

[jsamuel]

8. The power went to his head one too many times

I can't believe this guy! And the President will apologize?

"Of course not!" - Scott McClellan

[wallwriter]

9. Would that it were just once...

[Cocoa]

10. thanks everyone, and let's take some action

let's force the media to highlight this organization's response to Rove, let's pull off another bloggers coup against the media.

Let's see the RW smear machine take on the families of the victims of 9/11, and let's see the public see this machine for what it is.

[bettyellen]

11. nominated and media blasting....

well said.
thanks cocoa.

[sattahipdeep]

12. Families press CIA to release Sept. 11 report

Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:28:49 PM ET

"There's information in there that's supposed to really name
some names and finally go for some accountability," said widow Lorie Van Auken

http://www.metronews.ca/reuters_international.asp?id=80173

[vickie]

14. This is great. Rove is despicable.

[ailsagirl]

27. Just when you think they can't go any lower...

:puke: :puke:

These guys have got to be psychotic. :crazy:

[fishnfla]

15. This is the real deal. He has to respond to these families

If he ignores them, he should be hounded and forced to resign. He is using their suffering for political gain.

I fucking hate Karl Rove right down to his useless guts. Special place in hell for fucksticks like him.......

[Cocoa]

18. he'll fuck them like they've never been fucked before

he'll try at least.

[CBHagman]

32. The phrase "fire the fat f***" went through my mind.

If Rove were working for a Democratic administration, you can sure as hell bet that all the Republican governors, pundits, and lawmakers in the land would be asking for his head on a pike.

I hope this is truly Rove's downfall, or at least a step towards pariah status. He richly deserves pariah status. In the satanic spirit of Lee Atwater and Richard Nixon, Rove has helped ensure that politics stay in the sewer, at least for the duration of his career.

At least Atwater showed some repentance in his last months, or so I heard. I think Rove should have a nice, long life...outside politics and outside respectability.

[Bluebear]

16. Statement here cocoa

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3931233&mesg_id=3931233

[sattahipdeep]

17. Is Rove a Nazi? Only in his dreams...

"We have to put a stop to the idea that it is a part of everybody’s
civil rights to say whatever he pleases."

That person was Adolph Hitler.

Here is how important 9/11 was to "conservatives" on 9/11

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6592

[Media_Lies_Daily]

20. "Rove's grandfather is Karl Heinz Roverer, the former Gauleiter...

...of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Stathalter or Nazi State Party chairman for the region of Germany that the Rove or Roverer family is from.

Heir Roverer was also the senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. Engineering -- the firm built the Birkenau death camp.

The holocaust survivors know full well about Birkenau but, I would venture that not many of those survivors know about Karl Rove and his infamous grandfather’s construction prowess."

Siege Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus and the Destabilization of California
<http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views03/1006-08.htm>

[rzemanfl]

26. How reliable is this information about Rove's grandfather? The

story only mentions two individuals, although I am inclined to believe anything Joseph Wilson says, if he actually said it.

[lumpy]

28. 'weevils in the grain'

multipy

[Kurovski]

19. It is most definitely apology time for Karl.

[brentspeak]

21. I don't want this on RawStory; I want this on CNN Headline News

[cthrumatrix]

22. you won't get CNN (CIA infested news) to do that

[jsamuel]

23. They better cover this and the DSM

:mad:
media blast!

[bettyellen]

24. email it to them, and your nearest paper, and msnbc....

i bet it will be on countdown tonight.

[Canuckistanian]

25. Good on them!

Maybe O'Reilly can insult 9/11 victims, but we can't let them get away with A PUBLIC OFFICIAL spewing such garbage.

[stickdog]

29. David Sirota on Rove's Comments

http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/06/letter-democrats-should-send-to-karl.html

Here is a draft letter that all congressional Democrats should sign and send to Karl Rove, with a military enlistment form attached.

Dear Mr. Rove,

Your comments yesterday about the War on Terror seemed to suggest that you feel very passionately about defending America, and sending others into combat. As you know, America is facing a serious enlistment crisis right now, at the very same time more casualties mount in the Iraq War. Therefore, since you have said you are so committed to this war, I have attached this enlistment form from the U.S. Army for you to fill out and submit. You are still young enough to contribute to the military and to the frontline war effort you say you care so deeply about.

Clearly, if you support forcing others to risk their lives for your ideological beliefs (without even providing them proper armor and weapons), you will no doubt be willing to risk your own. And I am sure you would not argue that your responsibilities as a partisan political adviser to the president is more important than fighting in combat for your country.

Please let me know when you fill out the enlistment form, and drop me a line when you get to Iraq to let me know if your still believe we should be sending troops to die for a war you lied about.

Sincerely,
Member of Congress

http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/06/note-to-chickenhawks-enlist-or-shut-up.html

A Note to the Chickenhawks: Enlist, or Shut Up

There are a lot of pathetic political hacks running around these days talking tough about fighting wars - and most of them have never fought in a war, avoided fighting when they had the chance, and have no family members fighting in our current war. When ultra-hawk Vice President Dick Cheney had the chance to fight in a war, he said he had "other priorities." When George W. Bush had the chance, he used his dad's name to get out of combat service. While Peter Beinart and the New Republic claim they truly believe in more hawkish policies, I don't see him or the magazine's writers lining up to enlist. And last I checked, the same Karl Rove who is attacking Democrats for questioning the management of the Iraq War, is the Karl Rove who has never served in the military in his life.

Now, as I wrote in a cover piece for the Nation magazine a while back, we shouldn't be surprised that these chickenhawks have no problem talking tough about war, while running away from it in their own personal lives. Tough talk about war, and criticism of those who oppose it, makes these pathetic souls feel stronger than they actually are - and they have used it quite effectively in the political arena.

But Steve Gilliard today really puts these chickenhawks in their place:

"If you will not serve in Iraq, and no one you know will serve, stop expecting someone else to do what you will not. Therefore, it is time to stop calling for more troops, or the US to make Iraq safe. We cannot do this and even Americans are refusing to join the fight. It is time to look at your actions and realize, that despite your ideals, you oppose continuing this war. In practical terms, you have decided that this war is not worth your life or anyone you know. And million of Americans have joined you in this decision. So, with this fact evident, it is time to call for US troops to withdraw from Iraq. Not save it, not add more boots on the ground. You have already voted by your actions. It is time that you match it with your words."


This is the way Democrats need to be talking about these issues – not cautiously asking for an "apology" from Rove. We don't want "apologies" – we want a real debate about this. That means it is time for Democrats to finally go for the throat and make clear that if you are going to vehemently advocate sending more and more innocent Americans to die in Iraq, you better be prepared to back up that rhetoric with some sacrifice of your own. And that goes especially for the inside-the-Beltway neocon crowd who makes decisions and spouts off opinions from the confines of the well-guarded cocktail party circuit, and thus never has to deal with the blood-and-guts ramifications of what they're talking about. If you are willing to ask others for sacrifice but evaded such sacrifice when you had the chance, and aren't willing to make any sacrifice yourself now - then sit down and shut up.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

30. Here, with link

FOS11 Statement on Comments Made By Karl Rove

As families whose relatives were victims of the 9/11 terror attacks, we believe it is an outrage that any Democrat, any Republican, any conservative or any liberal, stakes a "high ground" position based upon the September 11th death and destruction. Doing so assumes that all those who died and their loved ones would agree. In truth, some would and some would not. By definition the conduct is divisive and, because it is intended to be self-serving and politicizes 9/11, it is offensive.

We are calling on Karl Rove to resist his temptations and stop trying to reap political gain in the tragic misfortune of others. His comments are not welcome.

link they provide...
http://www.familiesofseptember11.org

[HeeBGBz]

31. I can't get their press release link to work

Keep getting an empty word pad document.