Five Women Marines Killed in Iraq

[Steely_Dan]

Just heard on MSNBC...
Five Marine women were killed by a suicide bomber. The five women were part of a force to investigate women carrying explosives. Waiting to hear more.

-P

[OKNancy]

1. Try to find a link as soon as possible

Thanks!

[Steely_Dan]

7. The Link

Here it is...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8202434/

[rodeodance]

12. 5 U.S. Marines slain in Iraq car bombing

5 U.S. Marines slain in Iraq car bombing

Suicide attack on vehicle carrying female Marines injures 10
U.S. troops check the site of a suspected roadside bomb, in Baghdad on Friday.
NBC News and news services
Updated: 8:46 a.m. ET June 24, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide car bomber slammed into a 7-ton U.S. military vehicle in Fallujah, killing at least five female Marines and wounding 10 more, the military told NBC News on Friday.



No further information was immediately available.

The attack, underscoring the durability of the insurgency in Iraq, came as President Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari were to meet at the White House. Their agenda includes discussions on work being done to train Iraqi security forces — a precursor to bringing U.S. troops home — as well as efforts to draft a constitution and rebuild a nation still wracked by a violent insurgency more than two years after the fall of Saddam Hussein’s regime.



Overall, Thursday’s violence across Iraq left at least 20 civilians killed and 37 wounded.

[saigon68]

78. BRING EM ON" shouted the AWOL CHIMPANZEE

As he prepared to have his lobster bisque lunch.

[goclark]

98. "Enlist your sons and daughters" they plead

Tap into the private info and get email addresses for your kids to jazz them into thinking the ARMY is a lovely way to "serve" your country.

[saigon68]

109. OPERATION "Serve to Maximize Halliburton's Corporate Profits".

Disgusting

[maddezmom]

11. added it to the other thread: 5 U.S. Marines slain in Iraq car bomb(Women)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8202434/

[rodeodance]

2. oh my gawd!! this must be the humvee that exploded-somewhere on

DU there is a story.

[lateo]

3. Damn...

It sure is getting ugly over there.

[rodeodance]

6. this will get peoples attention. How sad it is. I think of the families

of these troops--ALL of them.

[whatever4]

21. That's where I'm at

Sad enough to make you cry. But, anymore, the story has to come early in the day for it to make me that upset, and this isn't nearly early enough.

Their families, they could *not* have seen this coming. They could not have thought this would happen, so, I feel as if it's going to be all that much more painful, for them. Probably demoralizing for the troops too; imagine, how nice it must have been for them, mostly men, to have a small group of American women with them, and then...gone. What a terrible shame. They could have done so much good too, in that role, those women. It's very sad.

[redqueen]

135. Hi whatever4

Welcome to DU!

[ElectroPrincess]

4. Tragic ... may they Rest in Peace

:cry:

[The White Tree]

36. Ditto

:cry:

[rodeodance]

5. see this DU thread also

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1577164&mesg_id=1577164

[rodeodance]

8. nothing on the cables stations as I flip around.

[leftchick]

9. A Marine convoy was hit west of Fallujah last night

They have not released the casualties from that yet. :(

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/24/iraq.main/

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A suicide car bomb targeting a U.S. Marine convoy exploded in Falluja, the volatile city west of Baghdad, causing an unknown number of casualties, the U.S. military said Friday.

The troops were assigned to II Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward), the military said.

Thursday night's attack came at the end of another particularly violent day in the Iraqi capital. Four car bombings killed at least 17 people and wounded as many as 60 others in the city Thursday, the Iraqi Defense Ministry said.

On edit...It is the same. From Steely Dan's link..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8202434/

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide car bomber slammed into a 7-ton U.S. military vehicle in Fallujah on Friday, and military sources told NBC News that five female Marines were killed and 10 others wounded.


A review of casualty records indicates the attack is the single deadliest toll for female servicemembers in Iraq. Since the war started, 46 female soldiers have died in attacks or in accidents while in Iraq.

The vehicle, which had a total of 19 people on board, was ferrying members of a U.S. military civil affairs team headed to perform checkpoint searches of female Iraqi civilians, the officials said.

The team was assigned to the II Marine Expeditionary Force, which is based at Camp LeJeune, N.C.

omg....:cry:

[donkeyotay]

82. "...causing an unknown number of casualties..."

So this was a separate attack with casualties too high for them to state? I suspect losses in Iraq are high enough to make political dynamite, so they are lying harder than usual.

[Jacobin]

10. THIS was the last throe...really, that was the last one

No, really, that was the last throe...I'm serious.

Dick Cheney

[shraby]

13. It's time to flood the congresscritters

mail, email and phones with a demand to bring those troops home now! Enough is enough!

[rodeodance]

14. "five female Marines were killed and 10 others wounded".

[rodeodance]

15. Lets do it!!!!!

[rodeodance]

16. after the break--msnbc to report on "sad story coming out of Iraq"

[rodeodance]

18. Fox talking about Irag/Rummy but no story about this incident.

[rodeodance]

19. traveling with 19 people in all--big truck says msnbc

[leftchick]

24. a 7 Ton vehicle!

that is huge! It is way past time to bring them home.

[rodeodance]

31. I heard elsewhere that many women maries drive the transport trucks

[DS1]

28. It wasn't enough last week?

:shrug:

[bluestateguy]

17. Remember, it's the liberals who put women in combat

More women have been in combat and died in combat under this Administration than under every Administration combined for the last 30 years.

[ElectroPrincess]

30. Well if we wish to follow that logic ...

The protectors of us women troops should pass laws to NOT allow women in any position. Gee, I joined the military soon after integration during the 70s. Perhaps we need a separation of the sexes like the Fundy and Islamic religions? Oh yeah, let's bring back to good ole' Women's Army Corps and make it the ONLY field open to the distaff? That'll keep us in our place, aye? :sarcasm:

But Seriously, women can perform many highly skilled military functions. The military consists of much more than the need for the strapping muscular infantry man in combat intensive areas.

If the Right Wing Republicans wish to push through legislation that would FORBID Women to serve in the Middle East, I would NOT protest. Well, not much BUT only as long as Women Marines are replaced, to a person, with a Young Strong Coulter-esque Male REPUBLICANS. :applause: AIRBORNE! & SEMPER FI!

[bluestateguy]

33. I tend to oppose women in ground combat positions

I think that can lead to all kinds of problems, even if there are a small number of women who are pysically up to the job.

[ElectroPrincess]

39. Please understand that women are PRESENTLY in ground

combat positions because there is NO front line. We can't avoid it if we choose to serve EQUALLY with the men.

These women MPs can handle cal .50s. They are already integrated into the military.

You have lost that battle beginning in 1979 when myself and a few other women were initially permitted into the Army Infantry School known as Airborne (Fort Benning, Georgia).

Kindly come with me into the present?

No turning back. ;)

[Puzzler]

69. ...

"... is NO front line. We can't avoid it if we choose to serve EQUALLY with the men."

Yes. I second that.

-P

[redqueen]

139. Hi Puzzler...

Welcome to DU!

[ElectroPrincess]

168. I second the welcome to you Puzzler ...

Even if you're from O' Canada! <major tease>

If I'm ever stricken with a chronic illness or must succumb to Chemo-Therapy treatment, it's North to Canada for me. You're sane about the true medicinal benefits of Marijuana.

Welcome to the DU Big Tent (Three Ring Circus?). ;)

[dchill]

83. AFAI Understand it...

The Front Line is on the White House lawn.

[whatever4]

110. THAT did my heart good!

I'm not the only woman here ever wore combat boots. Thanks :)

[ElectroPrincess]

154. You're welcome ...

And as a fairly old timer here, "Welcome to DU." :hi:

I'm a little rough around the edges but considered by most as a liberal to moderate democrat ... well, when I'm pissed at the DNC, I'm often tempted to go Independent or Green. <g>

Guess having a daughter makes me want her to have the opportunities that I didn't have ... well in the CIVILIAN world. Even at the tender young age of 11 y.o. she knows and understand that nows not the time (while Neo-Cons are in charge) to serve in the military.

I hope you post more and enjoy your stay here fellow military veteran. :patriot:

[whatever4]

177. Thank you

And well wishes to you! I enjoy your posts, and I agree with you, this is a fine place to be. So cool to read from another female military vet, and one that learned how to get her hands dirty, not just admin wearing blue uniforms except on office clean-up days, you know? I don't mean to put those people down, but in many cases, our experiences were different. And messier :)

Well, I'm a libertarian (boo hiss, I can hear it in the background now), but am *firmly* planted on the strongest side opposing Bush. I think, at this point, while folks can argue for the freedom of capitalism, or against the intrinsic evils of capitalism, we can all agree that it's a large, unrepresentative government gone amok that is the problem. So, from that point of view, I don't have a problem falling in with the Democrats. Democrats and Libertarians don't agree on all issues, but we most certainly do agree that tyranny is Wrong with a capital T. I'm here to join in the fight.

And I try to convince other Libs as I go too!

I remember, on another board, there's an avowed communist who I began agreeing with, during this whole Bush ordeal. Slowly at first, and then, just about anytime something happened, he sounded more rational than the republicans. That's when I knew things were REALLY screwed up, when he could point so easily to the problems and the lies, forgetting politics and parties. At that point, it didn't matter what our different beliefs and percieved solutions were, we were the only one's trying to identify the real problems. Scary.

This is a fine place to be, a much needed relief, with much needed personal interpretations and sound people who have sane thoughts, along with the more frantic "What's going on!" thoughts that every rational person *should* be having. On a daily basis, now.

Thanks for the welcome! :)

[bitchkitty]

172. Bravo! I absolutely love this post, and this woman! :) n/t

[ElectroPrincess]

186. You're very kind ... and thanks from one proud "pushy broad"

to another. BTW your screen name has that "don't f**k with me, or else" ... nuance. I like it. :toast:

[redqueen]

142. Would you please explain?

What kinds of problems are you talking about?

And why the "small number of women who are physically up to the job" comment?

[stanwyck]

160. OK. Explain exactly where

combat positions are in Iraq these days. Makes no sense. We're fighting terrorists/insurgents...people who use car bombs. Not an organized army. Face it. There are no combat positions in this mess. Anyone is a target. Anyone. Which shows the fallacy of the "women in combat" anachronism in today's military actions.
As for the "small number of women physically up to the job", get real. My son is a Marine. The female Marines get the exact same training as the men. The same. You'd be very hard pressed to find a bunch of college student males who could get through boot camp.
Your chauvinism is outdated.

[Lorien]

170. We SHOULD be allowed to fight for our country!!

that's what "equal rights" are all about! If a soldier dies, it's a tragedy; it's not more or less of a tragedy if that soldier is a woman.

[BiggJawn]

173. So?

I'm upset over the deaths In Toto.

The fact that there were female troops involved is almost immaterial when set beside the monstrous WASTE of any of our people being killed just so Little Georgie can fulfill his Dr. Strangelove fantasy and finally get that much needed hug from his son-of-a-NAZI father...

[habitual]

20. Well, At Least I Am Comforted Knowing

GWB thinks about Iraq "every single day". And he says he will continue to think about Iraq every single day. :sarcasm:

I don't have words to express my sorrow for their families and friends.

[rodeodance]

22. neither do I--what a horrible way to die.

[mike_c]

49. what about the Iraqis those marines were sent to kill...?

Would their deaths have been any less horrible? There's no good outcome from this-- the real tragedy wasn't those marines' death-- it was their presence in Iraq. If they had lived, it would have been to support the subjegation, occupation, and murder of Iraqis. America must stop this madness and bring all the troops back from Iraq now!

[atreides1]

103. They were not sent to kill anyone

They were members of a Civil Affairs team being sent to help search Iraqi females coming through the checkpoints. I would assume that if attacked they would have defended themselves, but their main job was
conduct searches of female Iraqis.

Though I caanot refute your statement about supporting the subjegation, occupation.

[gratuitous]

65. While Bush said he thinks about Iraq "every single day"

You may note that he was careful not to say what he thinks: "Is that thing in Iraq still going on? It's so boring! Can I go play X-Box now?"

[rodeodance]

80. I heard him say that.

[DoYouEverWonder]

23. Will Bu$h let us see their caskets when they come home?

or is he going to try to pretend they don't exist?

I wonder if he will be forced to go to their funerals?

[rodeodance]

25. nothing on cnn homepage website yet.

[DoYouEverWonder]

26. Karl hasn't figured out

how to spin this yet.

It's going to be a bad morning for W. This is going fuck his press conference up real good.

[habitual]

32. Yep, those dasterdly insurgents foiled his

photo op with the Iraq puppet. Damn Damn. Now they won't be able to stand there and act like they have everything under control. OOOPS, i mean, they will but it will be less believable.

[rodeodance]

27. Fox going over--Rummy--irag is not a quadmire and upcoming Jr. news

conference.

[rodeodance]

29. Fox has Fred Barnes on--analyzing the war--What a slap in the face as

this news comes out!

[Steely_Dan]

34. Downgraded to 3 Women

MSNBC now says that it was three not five women...2 men.

-P

[whatever4]

37. And let the spin begin

Such liars. I don't believe it was a mistake, no matter what the true number is. How sad and sick to have to seriously consider they'd actuallly lie about how many women died, just because it will upset people.

[rodeodance]

43. seems like it was a terrrible explosion.

maybe the remains were hard to identify initially. Just a thought.

[whatever4]

48. Agreed

Have to agree, it is possible. But then, you'd think it would hav been women mistaken for men, and not the other way around, so that lessens my faith in the possibility.

[rodeodance]

38. 5 more troop deaths--that is what matters.

[maddezmom]

40. and 10 more wounded

:cry:

[maddezmom]

50. but upgraded to 6 Marines killed

:(

[Benhurst]

68. Gosh, that makes me feel much, much better! Just three and

a couple of young men? Great! Move on, everybody! Not much of a story here.

:sarcasm:

[maxrandb]

35. Was Going to Post Something

thought it was too cynical, then realized I was at a loss for words.

May God be with their families and loved ones.

[rodeodance]

41. not on cnn headline (8:30 news break)

[rodeodance]

46. nor on their website-i just checked.

[QuettaKid]

42. What kind of truck weighs 7 tons?

That's way bigger than a humvee isin't it? and how big would the IED have to be to take it out?

[leftchick]

photo of a US Marine 7 ton truck...

[Jacobin]

138. They have 385,000 tons of high explosives

That the insurgents took from unguarded warehouses after the invasion.

A few pounds of C-4 can do an awful lot of damage.

[GoldenOldie]

44. Our Troops are like sitting ducks

I want these bastards, George, Cheney, Rummy, and all those lying Generals who sit within the safe confines of the Pentagon, on the ground in Iraq,

taking photo-ops of cutting the ribbons on the opening of the new Iraqi power plants, hospitals, schools, etc., etc., which they continually call the success's.

I don't care if these troops were men or women, they are someones child, wife, mother, sister, brother, father, etc. Those troops that have survived and return home with horrendous injuries that they will carry with them for the remainder of their lives and reminders to them and their loved ones of the real cost of war.

[rodeodance]

47. nicely said---it does not matter if male female.

....I don't care if these troops were men or women, they are someones child, wife, mother, sister, brother, father, etc. Those troops that have survived and return home with horrendous injuries that they will carry with them for the remainder of their lives and reminders to them and their loved ones of the real cost of war.

[Ripley]

45. Evilpsycho shiteatingnazifuckers.

I hate you PNACERS and your puppet boy and I hope your death is more painful than any one of these soldiers deaths.

[rodeodance]

51. cnn just said it was SIX--did not if Nat. guard, or what unit. very short

10 second report. Said 'and this just in"

[rodeodance]

52. Fox just had on Tom Barlett--Jr's counsel--Positive news from Irag.

[rodeodance]

53. Fox finally said a homicide bomber just slammed into Marines. 2 dead

according to Fox==saying Military is being careful before releasing any other information.

edited--did I spell it right this time (homocide?)

[rodeodance]

54. so cnn said 6 and fox says 2

[Ripley]

55. Homoside?

What's that? :)

Fox News can be careful with this :nuke:

[DS1]

75. FWIW

It's homicide

But that's a Ari Fleischerism, Homicide Bomber is redundant, it's lying Murder Electric Chair.

[rodeodance]

94. thank you--

thanks, i will just drop some words!!!

[Ripley]

97. Fiinially?

What's that? :)

You're moving too fast!

[rodeodance]

104. oh DRATS

[SOS]

133. "Homicide bomber"

What an idiotic term.
Does Fux News refer to Timothy McVeigh as a "homicide bomber"?

[AnotherMother4Peace]

56. Such a tragedy - prayers for their families

[ckramer]

57. Another 44% of Americans who supported Bush probably will

wake up when five child marines were getting killed in Iraq.

You know, women used to be mother, teacher, nurse, or wife. Now they are combat marines.

Under the American styled unchecked-capitalism, there is nothing left under the sun that is not eligible for exploitation.

It's a regress of history.

Shame.

[rodeodance]

58. "used to be"---that is the key wording. No longer.

[rodeodance]

59. cnn TV update--2 dead, ? some missing (3). sorry but I only caught it

in the background.

[rodeodance]

61. different reports coming from all cable stations. WHY the difficulty!!

[alcibiades_mystery]

62. They're still shaking the bushes for dog tags, in other words

When a car full of explosive blows up your 7-ton truck, missing = dead, but not whole enough to piece together. Little pieces.

Sorry to put it in these terms, but we wouldn't be forced to do so if CNN weren't desperately trying to spin out a rosier message than there is.

[rodeodance]

64. yes, i was thinking the same

[montanacowboy]

60. NPR just upgraded to 6 Marines killed

7:20 am PDT

[rodeodance]

63. 5 Marines killed in Iraq car bombing msnbc websit at 9:29 a.m. ET

5 Marines killed in Iraq car bombing
Three were women, worst single-day toll for female servicemembers
U.S. troops check the site of a suspected roadside bomb, in Baghdad on Friday.
NBC News and news services
Updated: 9:29 a.m. ET June 24, 2005

[catmandu57]

66. I'm at a loss

I've been posting on these threads since the beginning and I just don't know what to say anymore.
Anyone can see how fucked up things are, hell, we prophesied this and more years ago, and we still are under the thumb of smiling, happy, idiots who tell us there's nothing to see here, and if there was it's all those damn librals fault.

[whatever4]

71. Yes, even military experts said it would mean more than 1000

I feel the same way; anyone can see, if they care to look, and I can't understand why they don't care to look. We were told this war would mean probably more than 1000 deaths of our soldiers, by the more honest military experts. But it went away, like bad gossip. Not mean or vicious gossip, just gossip not worth discussing.

And it's the liberals fault, oh, ain't that the most shameful slap of all.

[rodeodance]

74. "smiling, happy, idiots"--yup--Right on!!

[lebkuchen]

67. The RW fascist regime in the WH will not stand much longer

Keep hitting these bastards hard, with letters and phone calls.

[rodeodance]

70. Marines killed in Falluja attack --link to cnn website now.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/24/iraq.main/index.html
Marines killed in Falluja attack
Some of casualties are women, U.S. official says



Friday, June 24, 2005; Posted: 10:15 a.m. EDT (14:15 GMT)


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A suicide vehicle bomb killed two U.S. Marines and left four others unaccounted for when it exploded near their convoy in Falluja, the volatile city west of Baghdad, a U.S. military official said Friday.

Some of the casualties were women, the official said. The troops were assigned to the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force.

Thursday night's attack came at the end of another particularly violent day in the Iraqi capital. Four car bombings killed at least 17 people and wounded as many as 60 others in the city Thursday, the Iraqi Defense Ministry said.

A suicide attack near an old mall in the Karada area killed seven civilians and wounded 10 others, the defense ministry said, while the Iraqi police put the death toll at 12 civilians and three police officers, with 50 wounded.

Three police officers and seven civilians died in a second suicide blast targeting an Iraqi police patrol near a gas station, the ministry said. Ten civilians were wounded.

[rodeodance]

72. "left four others unaccounted for when it exploded"--umm... yes--bodies

not yet identified--must be a mess (sorry, I know, it is graphic).

[lebkuchen]

89. What more proof does one need to realize

that the Bushies are vomiting from their a-holes?

[malaise]

73. CNN just said

six dead, 10 wounded. Why isn't there a Breaking News headline and why don't they focus on this story. How does Billy Graham's crusade become more important than this. Look how much time they had for MJ and the runaway kleptomaniac. MSM makes me ill.
<edit -sp>

[rodeodance]

76. umm.. now the "4 unaccounted for" are dead.

[Puzzler]

77. Typical MSM ...

... it's not a breaking news headline... it's a deliberately suppressed headline, if you ask me.

-P

[lebkuchen]

90. Of course it's suppressed

The Bushies control the media. That is the glaring truth.

[u2spirit]

99. This is unimportant

Didn't you know that there is a missing pretty white girl in Aruba. It's so important that the entire cast of clowns from faux news is there right now soaking up the sun, sitting by the pool drinking mai-tais waiting for an update on her whereabouts. They can't waste their beautiful minds on something like soldier or Iraqi civilian deaths.

[redqueen]

149. Damn straight.

Could it be that Operation Mockingbird is still active?

[lebkuchen]

85. The Bushies control the media

It's as simple as that.

[Oreo]

95. You would think

6 dead US soldiers would warrant Breaking News status if yesterday's arrest of the judge in Aruba did.

6 more lives lost for a lie

[maddezmom]

79. AP Link: 2 killed,4 missing and 13 wounded

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050624/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_050624114804

[rodeodance]

84. and AP says a total of 1, 730 total dead.

12 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide car bomber slammed into a U.S. convoy in Fallujah, killing two Marines, a
Pentagon spokesman said Friday. Three Marines and a sailor were missing after the attack.
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click here

Another 13 Marines were wounded in the Thursday night attack, spokesman Bryan Whitman. Some women were among the casualties, he said.

At least 1,730 members of the U.S. military have died since the war began in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

The car bomber targeted troops assigned to the II Marine Expeditionary Force, an earlier military statement said. Fallujah, the Anbar province town 40 miles west of Baghdad, was the scene of a large-scale campaign in November by U.S. troops to rout militants.

[alcibiades_mystery]

88. Five Marines, then, and one Navy corpsman (medic)

Sucks when your medic gets blown to smithereens ("unaccounted for") and you've got thirteen wounded lying around.

[quaoar]

81. MSNBC now says Only three were female

NBC News and news services
Updated: 9:29 a.m. ET June 24, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide car bomber slammed into a 7-ton U.S. military vehicle in Fallujah on Friday, and Marine sources told NBC News that five Marines were killed and 10 others wounded.


Three of the dead were female Marines and two male, the sources said. Earlier reports said all five were women.

In any case, a review of casualty records indicates the attack is the single deadliest toll for female servicemembers in Iraq. Since the war started, 44 female soldiers have died in attacks or in accidents while in Iraq.

The vehicle, which had 19 people on board, was ferrying members of a U.S. military civil affairs team headed to perform checkpoint searches of female Iraqi civilians, the officials said.

[rodeodance]

87. I still get a kneejerk when I hear women being killing in this war. Pleas

no offence to males--it is just hard to wrap around my head at this point--still "new"--I guess.

[malaise]

92. How do we know it's not 10+ dead

they're playing with figures -two is so much more palatable than six or more. Which parent allows their kids into this mess and is then forced to watch these hacks and popinjays playing with numbers. I hate these people.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

86. This makes me want to cry - I wonder what Bush's feelings are right now

Cindy Sheehan, in a mtg w/Bush, found he was devoid of any feelings for our dead and wounded soldiers, & he was surprised at her sadness (her son, Casey, was killed in Iraq).

[barb162]

91. zero feelings n/t

[saigon68]

93. The Chimp is feeling good today

Since his OIL buddies are getting $60.00 per BBL for their "BLACK GOLD"

[rodeodance]

96. He told us the other say--he is an optimistic person (about everything).

[rodeodance]

101. cnn just said 'missing' means 'bodies not yet identified"--so add the 4

[rodeodance]

102. msnbc tag line "Falluja marines killed' but not talking about it.

[Judi Lynn]

100. He's beyond redemption. What a weak, pointless man.

She's got more than enough courage and decency to compensate for his profound deficits.

People were stunned when they discovered how out of touch his dad was, when the old bastard learned super markets had scanners. He couldn't touch the level of ignorance and indifference looking out of his son's eyes, although he tries.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

106. I admire Cindy Sheehan immensely, she is a courageous woman.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

105. How are we ever going to get out of this mess?

I HATE Bush, and every single one of those
PNAC thugs!

[rodeodance]

107. It is up to 'we' the people--based on this last week of stuff from WH etc

they are just going with stay the course, talk of positive things. they are NOT changing policy.

[rodeodance]

108. "5 Marines, sailor killed"--msnbc headline now on website.

[rodeodance]

111. 6 Americans killed in Iraq car bombing (changed headline on msnbc)

Link added (sorry I forgot)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8202434/


6 Americans killed in Iraq car bombing
At least three were women, worst single-day toll for female soldiers
U.S. troops check the site of a suspected roadside bomb in Baghdad on Friday.
NBC News and news services
Updated: 11:06 a.m. ET June 24, 2005

[dArKeR]

112. LOOK. Undeniable proof of RACKETEERING: 368 votes, 2.4 Star, 30 min

Suicide Bomber Kills 2 Marines in Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050624/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_050624114804;_ylt=ApNWSpODrSjxZ1BI.f_ZbHRX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Every story about "bad" for USA in Iraq ALWAYS has a 1 to 2.4 Star rating. If the story is pro Bush Crime Family in Iraq Slaughter the ratings are high. But other stories deemed anti GOP/Bush Crime Family reguarding domestic issues or other aWol screw=ups in N. Korea, China, Cuba... have a high Star vote rating. Therefore it is NOT Freepers with a pro GOP agenda.

It is the NSA's Blackbox hooked up to the ISPs.

I've posted more than 2 dozen example over the last 3 weeks for a record of facts for the trial.


This associate graph is not correct. I've proved beyond a reasonable doubt that several of the reported "suicide body bombs" were actually "car bombs" by the blast patterns ripping the vehicles open, upward and outward which is impossible if the bombs were detonated outside the vehicles.
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050624/480/gfx90606240047&g=events/iraq/082701iraqplane;_ylt=AnhnjvfHIl.EsX1D0dLfenoUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA-

[Roland99]

126. Still that graphs show s a trend upward...far from "last throes"

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050624/480/gfx90606240047;_ylt=AoMmfengDSi_jYaxx4ipilMUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGk2OHYzBHNlYwN0bXA-

[Halliburton]

113. Wha?

These ungrateful Iraqis. We saved Fallujah in November, and this is what we get for it? Don't worry, the last throe is almost over!!

[rodeodance]

114. and bush is speaking as this story develops-msnbc, fox, cnn

[rodeodance]

115. talking about Freedom again. The Iraqi PM is standing by his side

[rodeodance]

116. says roadside bombers have no regard for human life. saying we

must secure Iraqi democracy.

[rodeodance]

117. gawd--he tries not smirk as he read his script-but it slips out!!

[rodeodance]

118. no talk of recent deaths in prepared script--thanks PM for helping Iraq

to become a 'beacon of freedom'

[rodeodance]

119. I wonder if they will take questions from reporters.

[rodeodance]

121. PM giving positive report report all--going over all things accomplished.

like the elections.

[rodeodance]

122. PM is thanking the American people--in these difficult times.

[rodeodance]

123. PM mentioned women participating in elections and democracy.

[rodeodance]

125. saying 'violence in Iraq "has been reduced a lot"--HUH!!!!!! what

planet has he been on!!!!1

[rodeodance]

127. tell that to the families of the dead troops MR PM!!

[rodeodance]

129. Jr says briefed by topped commanders on ground 2 hrs ago--

[rodeodance]

132. bush says he understands the nature of the enemy!! do tell Jr!!

[rodeodance]

134. gawd, Jr is blundering idiot up there trying to talk!!

[rodeodance]

136. 'its tough word'--trying to comfort the families--which by the way-I will

be doing when I go down to NC next week.

[rodeodance]

137. His commanders must have forget to mention the new 5 dead and 10

wounded as discussed above!!!! what a jerk--he left that out!!!

[Roland99]

128. This is EXACTLY like the BS conference when Allawi visited

Allawi read from what was obviously a WH-supplied script.

[rodeodance]

157. yes, echoes of Allawi--this PM is 'transition' PM also

[Roland99]

166. * wouldn't know "sovereign" if it jammed a glowstick up his ass.

[leftchick]

120. that would be the Iraqi puppet

see his strings??

[indepat]

124. Sadly some must die to keep us safe

[Roland99]

130. Safe from what though??

[indepat]

174. Safe from all the terrorists who would come ton our soil if not killed in

Iraq. Since this post and my first post are unadulterated :sarcasm:, :sarcasm: is hereby added to my first post by reference.

[Roland99]

183. You know, I think my neighbor might be a terrorist

I think they hate America and they hate our freedoms.




Or maybe it's just because they were playing their stereo a bit loudly late last night....

[indepat]

187. They hate us for our freedoms and our bringing freedom, liberty, and

democracy to the rest of the world, one country at a time.

[Bridget Burke]

131. Are you for real?

Let's hope this is sarcasm.

[rodeodance]

140. I can not believe jr did NOT even mention the recent deaths!! what an

insult to the families!!!!

[rodeodance]

141. I sure hope a reporter brings up these recent bombings/deaths!

[rodeodance]

143. No timetable per Jr. (so they call this a news conference?)

[rodeodance]

145. showing Condi smiling as PM talks.

[rodeodance]

146. Bush cracks a joke about his declining 2nd term (reported asking)

[rodeodance]

148. saying some in Congress prefer not to take on tough issues!--bragging

about how he takes on the tough issue AGAIN--he says this time after time.

[rodeodance]

150. JU "helping a country that has been devestated by a tyrant is hard work"

yes, jr. it is hard work!--when will start doing this hard work--like thinking about what the hell is going on over there!!

[rodeodance]

151. jr--"I am NOT giving up on this mission"

[rodeodance]

153. jr--we are laying the foundation for peace in the world-Iraq is on this

agenda. umm....

[otohara]

147. Us?

Us are just fine - Some must die for a "pack of lies" is more like it.

[Lorien]

171. WTF???

Safe from what? WHERE is Osama, exactly? WHO attacked us on 9/11?

[Jacobin]

144. 3 WOMEN get killed in war and all of a sudden 141 posts

In the thread.

Not sure what that tells me.

Of course they were AMERICAN women, so maybe they were blond and blue eyed and cute and maybe the tragedy would make good infotainment footage for american propaganda.

Gawd I hate this damned war.

[Ripley]

152. What is that supposed to mean?

Michael Jackson threads had over 300 posts.

Statistically speaking this is highly unusual that so many female soldiers would be killed at one time. Remember, they are not allowed in "combat."

What's your prob?

[redqueen]

158. Um, what?

What does it tell you? C'mon... don't be shy... out with it. What are you insinuating?

[rodeodance]

163. for me--women US troops being killed in action is still news--I am not

yet adjusted to it--IF I ever will be.

[Kraklen]

175. I think what he's saying...

is that female soldiers getting killed draws more attention.

Kind of like white kidnapping victims.

[redqueen]

180. Yeah, but there's kind of a little... no make that a HUGE... difference.

Women being killed in combat is new... we're not used to it.

White children being kidnapped is really nothing new.

[Kraklen]

181. Well, it's not that new.

There have been women getting killed in Iraq since it started over two years ago. And there were a number of women killed in the First Gulf War. Don't know much about the United States in Vietnam, but the Soviets had plenty of women fighting and dying in their front lines in WWII.

[ElectroPrincess]

169. Would you rather discuss a missing blond adult (18y.o.) woman in ARUBA?

On Edit: Come to think about it: This Woman could have very well been one of these three women Marines killed - if she were raised by a different family. Damn!

[Henny Penny]

179. If some or all of the dead were female, it means there are more

angles for the press and public to examine and there is going to be more coverage in the press that Rove cannot control.

For example a poster above mentioned the fact the women are not meant to be at the Front Line- so any questions asked would quickly reveal that there is no front line and that there is no safe place for the troops etc.

He particularly didn't want this around the time * was giving a "look what progress we are making!" type press conference.

All deaths are equally tragic- male, female, American, Iraqi and other. This killing has to be stopped.

[confludemocrat]

184. Both what Jacobin and you say are part of the same story

Just as they are blaming democrats and liberals for being negative about the war along with at least 60% of the people, five women get blown up being sent into the heart of the disaster (noncombatants?, they were being used as combatants, that's where we are in this war), when they are supposed to be security people there to search suspected female suicide bombers, I heard.

People are long past sick of this mess, and Bush and Abizaid merely sound like they are speaking for themselves-covering their own asses.

But yes, cute bue-eyed blondes being covered throws the war into the faces of it's flagging supporters, it's who they care about most, I am certain.

[whatever4]

182. hmmm

Well, not to blow your theory, but I am a woman, and I was in the military. I don't care if they had blue eyes or not, I have my own. They chose to go, so I pity them no more than any other troop. I pity them no less either.

I think the story got traffic here because, well it IS the most women ever killed at one time in war, and we're wondering what it will do to public perception. I'd imagine most people here would consider *themselves* above such shallow thoughts as to be suddenly shocked and dismayed by the fact that, oh gee, women die in war too. NO, I'd say we more likely are watching what those typical mass media-swallowing types say about it, how THEY react.

It's the unusual nature of this story and it's potential impact on attitudes toward this war that got my attention. Perhaps my personal history as well.

[progressivebydesign]

192. It's human nature to be more emotional about women and children.

It's biology and its cultural. It's natural to be more shocked when things happen to women or children. I'm not saying that it's preferable, but it's our nature. Losing 5 women in war, in one act of violence, is unprecedented in this war. Forgive us for being more passionate about this loss. Every death our troops have suffered is tragic... no judgements here about whose death is more tragic.

[redqueen]

155. Praying for their friends and families...

How many more Americans will decide today that they now think this occupation is not worth the cost?

[deadparrot]

156. RIP.

...

[rodeodance]

159. yes and best wishes to the wounded.--and their families.

[rodeodance]

161. jr--we ARE spending reconstruction money--but ask the (Iraqi) govern-

ment--they are in charge--bush said it sounded as though the reporters question was that the US was in charge. DAH!!!!!

[rodeodance]

162. jr says I do not want to seem like passing the buck--but they are in

charge and 'we want to be helpful" GAWD!!!!! and he thinks we believe this???????????????????

[rodeodance]

164. and NO reporter mentioned the above deaths/violence and neither did JR.

[rodeodance]

165. PM of Iraq said--you have given us your sons and daughters. It was

moving to me.

[Jersey Devil]

167. "duty status whereabouts unknown." says it all

Blown to bits for lies. So tragic.

[Oreegone]

176. And Remember

If they can keep them alive or at least appear breathing, or make it to the hospital...we will never hear about their casualties. You notice there are never any additions to the totals after the intial tally?

[EVDebs]

178. US military has only one option left to save situation: strategic retreat

to Kuwait and Qatar, etc. This forces the Iraqis themselves to shit or get off the pot. The ensuing civil war will either settle the situation, with foreign jihadis being killed off by the locals, and the Iraqis themselves restoring order, OR, they will invite the US troops back in.

An alternative is selective air support for the Iraqis side in the civil war from those bases in Kuwait, Qatar.

This is the only way to achieve what 'success' Sen Lindsey Graham seeks and the exit strategy that eludes the Republican war-mongers. It lowers US casualties and takes the media out of the situation that now cannot be ignored: Iraq is a quagmire.

[confludemocrat]

185. Yes, events on the ground are overtaking the political hacks

People might be begining to see that Ok its not about the war on terror but we must win-a bankrupt mode of thinking that enough are tossing aside to make Bush and his crminal cabal in disarray and desperate--so watch out.

[EVDebs]

188. Yep. When Bush abandoned the Powell Doctrine

he set the stage for all the Vietnam comparisons. This looks like a Tet coming on. But, as I've said, if the situation is to be salvaged at all, the military must abandon Baghdad as the 'capital' and move the 'green zone' to a defensible place in the desert to the south either inside Kuwait or nearer to Kuwait; the insurgents will have to meet their fate in jihad with the 'locals' they have killed.

Islam needs to show the same treatment the Knights Templar received from Oct 13, 1307, when the Pope and King of France destroyed them. Those 'holy warriors' ended up being sacrificed...the same thing will need to occur in these Islamic countries. They need to understand that in order for progress to be made (and to avoid rewrites to books like "What Went Wrong" by Bernard Lewis) they need to restrain their own jihadi elements THEMSELVES, or pay a high price. This lesson the West cannot teach them. Allah the merciful and compassionate will teach them.

[rodeodance]

189. they certainly need to move out of the palaces--that they have appropri-

ated

[rodeodance]

190. it was so terrible-watching to bush and PM standing up there talking

about freedom and all that blabber at the press conference--after we just learnt of this horrible tradegy and niether bush, the pm nor the press talking about the troops-dead or alive.

[progressivebydesign]

191. Tragic. This may be the final act that pushes Americans over the edge.

I think deaths like these, though all are tragic, will be a wake up call for Americans. I think Bush should expect poll numbers in the low 30s soon. All of the deaths have been heartwrenching, but most people will be even more moved by losing 5 female Marines like that.

What have we created in Iraq?

[0007]

193. Bring the troops home alive not in boxes.

[Warren Stupidity]

194. Do we have all female units?

:wtf:

Why on earth are the female units travelling in groups like this? I thought we stopped the segregated unit bullshit back when Truman was president.

Also the picture on the yahoo AP article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050624/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_050624174253;_ylt=ArFgW0DBU7YawJXDPGmlQF1X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

tells another story: note the masked man. That guy is an Iraqi 'guard' whatever that means. What it means to me is that the Iraqification of the war is so successful that the friendly Iraqi units have to wear masks so that they don't get lynched by their neighbors. Oh this is going so well.