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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:12 PM
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Al-Qaida finds safe haven in Iran
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8330976/

Al-Qaida finds safe haven in Iran
But former leaders reportedly under house arrest

By Robert Windrem
Investigative producer
NBC News
Updated: 3:03 p.m. ET June 24, 2005

Robert Windrem
Investigative producer

Somewhere north of Tehran, living perhaps in villas near the town of Chalous on the Caspian Sea coast, are between 20 and 25 of al-Qaida’s former leaders, along with two of Osama bin Laden’s sons.

Men such as Saif al-Adel, the former military commander of al-Qaida, and Suleiman Abu Ghaith, the bespectacled bin Laden spokesman, are not in hiding but rather in the care — or custody — of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.

“They are under virtual house arrest,” not able to do much of anything, said one senior U.S. intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

How they got there and what will happen to them is one of the more intriguing stories of the war on terror, one that is filled with secret movements, stolen communications and a failed attempt at a prisoner exchange involving Iranian dissidents.

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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:14 PM
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1. *sniff* *sniff* Is that invasion I smell?
Honey?
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dissent1977 Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:49 PM
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17. Yes, just like Iraq was a safe haven for Al Qaeda...
right before the invasion. Of course they will invade find no ties to Al Qaeda, yet declare their war on Iran crucial to winning the war on terror. Then after that happens Iran truly will have ties with Al Qaeda because like Iraq it will become a new terrorist training ground after the US invades.

Then we will hear about Syria's ties to Al Qaeda, and we will smell another invasion coming.
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drfresh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:02 PM
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20. I can't see it happening
Apparently the country could be scared shitless into supporting one preemptive war with Iraq, but if a third war in the mideast in one presidency? People would be on the streets.

I hope.




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dissent1977 Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 09:35 PM
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31. People were out in the streets before Iraq
This administration only cares what you think if you happen to be the CEO of a major corporation.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:23 PM
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26. This is exactly what Ritter & other said the scenario would be
Ramp up on Iran-suddenly voila! A-Q is in Iran-justification for attack.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:15 PM
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2. Time for therapy and understanding!!
What's that you're saying? You wanna attack Iran?
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:09 PM
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28. The neocons need extensive therapy
though I doubt they would get much "understanding".
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:18 PM
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3. Drip drip drip.......
"Look over here!" "Here,...dammmit!" MSNBC has been trying to outFOX FAUX news. Seems this Windrem guy is a tool. Any dirt on him?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:19 PM
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4. and who are this 'investigative' reporters sources?
are they anonymous? are they perhaps from the government? the pentagon maybe?

it is a shame to have to immediately suspect that the news media is peddling bush propaganda but that is the reality of it.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:19 PM
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5. I'm so sick of propaganda
Even if this is true, I simply don't believe it. Don't believe anything in the Corporate Media and I don't believe anything coming out of our government. My attitude is to DISbelieve it until/unless something else comes along to confirm it somehow. I haven't been disappointed or too far off yet, which is not to say that this is wrong: I wouldn't know. And don't much care. We ALL know that the Iran War is in process of being set up (and, according to Ritter, already started).
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:53 PM
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14. Rove. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:20 PM
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6. Iraq, Iran, who cares, tehy are so close
and most muricaks are stupid

I faer the how to market this war to Muricans in the Situation Room
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:22 PM
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7. And there you have it....
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 02:24 PM by Oreo
Osama's name starts coming up
A U2 goes down in an undisclosed location
and now (as we all expected) now Al Quaeda is in Iran.

Next shoe to drop is an Al Quaeda attack somewhere which will give Bush all the ammo he'll think he needs to attack without any questions asked. Very very sad.

From the article:
“And we have encouraged and suggested that they ought to try them, they ought to admit freely that they're there — which they have not done — that they're holding them. Or they ought to return them to their countries of origin, which they've also been unwilling to do.”

Do as I say not as I do.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:11 PM
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29. Osama.... who?
I bin forgotten.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:25 PM
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8. Total Bullshit
just like the WMD's are in Iraq.

Scott Ritter warned of this.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:26 PM
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9. So the CIA is Iran, huh?
Wake up, America!
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:32 PM
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10. "Safe haven"
If they are hiding and one is "under virtual house arrest", then how is that a "safe haven"?

Besides, did this information come from Douglas Feith's buddy Manucher Ghorbanifar or one of his cronies?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:35 PM
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11. yup, and so it goes...
don't these guys EVER come up with new material?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:37 PM
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12. The sound you hear is cow-pies hitting the ground from 1,000 feet up.
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Monkie Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:39 PM
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13. its even recycled news from 2003,Iran hates Al-qaida and has extradited
many to other countries,i cant find the article where Iran offered some to the USA if their safety and human rights and fair trail where guaranteed but here are a couple from 2 years back about Iran jailing and extraditing Al-qaida members
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2BBA7A71-24D4-4586-85C4-9CC67594B013.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3090731.stm
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:13 PM
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15. Here we go again.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:22 PM
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16. Al-Qaida has "havens' all over the world
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 03:24 PM by Whoa_Nelly
Thanks to the GOP propaganda spin for US consumption, people conveniently or selectively forget about the other groups of Al-Qaida found in many other areas of the world, such as Indonesia and Malaysia.

And the (drum)beat goes, the (drum)beat goes on
La-di-da-di, La-di-da-di-dah
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:24 PM
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18. Here's a different spin: "Iran holds 25 Al-Qaeda Figures Hostage"
Wonder whether the White House is planning a "rescue mission." :eyes:
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:48 PM
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19. "Iran detains Al Queda members, neutralizes threat to US."
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 05:49 PM by K-W
Would be attackers of the US are kept under house arrest by Iranian authorities.

Spin is fun... no wait, not fun, nauseating.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:05 PM
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21. Why do they need to go to Iran
there's plenty of places to set up camp in Iraq. Plus all their targets are in Iraq, duh.

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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:12 PM
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22. That must mean that the Irish Republican Army has a safe haven...
in Margaret Thatcher's Tory party. :sarcasm:
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:18 PM
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23. sounds like Iran is trying to use them as a barganing chip
If we play nice maybe they'd give them up. But now that "our guys" are spilling the beans, that's probably not going to happen. Maybe bush will 'demand' Iran hand them over?
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recycledindi Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:20 PM
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24. oh puhhhhhhhlease!!!
give me a farking break. what next? oh they're in new zealand. oh they're in your cereal. oh they're in that empty shoe box in the corner of your closet.

the only thing they're in is the mind of morans. we face a much greater threat from the little boys in charge of this treehouse than the boogeyman.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 06:21 PM
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25. Bull shit.
al-Qaida, predominately Arab Sunni, and the Persian Shi'as (85% of Iran) have little regard for one another.

This is disinformation just as transparent as the lies about WMD.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:07 PM
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27. How come Iran has the sense to corral and guard Al Queda
and seemingly are very successful at it whilst the US after 4 years, has been unable to arrest one six foot six Saudi who drags around a dialysis machine?
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nguoihue Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 09:34 PM
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30. Al Qaida in Iran
More lies and bullshit! Planted news.

Expect to see a lot more of it in coming months.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 09:55 PM
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32. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
NT!

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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:09 PM
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33. Five minutes after election results and they post the story
you have to give them credit for preparation. These guys certainly know how to push propaganda.
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