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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:28 PM
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US Votes For Sanctions Against Syria
Edited on Thu Oct-09-03 12:40 PM by otohara
Listening to Bolton yesterday testify about Syria was deja vu - Insert Syria and repeat lies told about Iraq. Amazingly the 2 NO votes came from Republicans.



Washington, Oct. 9. (PTI): United States has approved a legislation that would slap diplomatic and economic sanctions against Syria over its alleged role in supporting terrorism and developing weapons of mass destruction.

The US House of Representatives' International Relations Committee yesterday gave consent to the bill -- the Syria Accountability Act -- by a vote of 33-2 and is expected to come up for debate in the full House of Representatives during the week of October 13-17, according to a committee summary. There is a companion bill in the Senate, but that legislation has not left committee.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/00309120085.htm
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:28 PM
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1. READY.... AIM... FIRE!
bush regime getting all set to invade syria....
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DeathvadeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 05:34 PM
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20. Not untill we starve them for a good 10 years...... n/t
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:30 PM
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2. We are the United States of Israel...no question about it!
so, so, sad that we kill, maime, the children of others and send our own off to fight and die for PNAC/Israeli cabal.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:32 PM
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3. still nothing for the House of Saud...?
:shrug:
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:34 PM
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4. So Israel attacks Syria
And now we are voting for sanctions against Syria? Can someone please explain this to me? I don't get it.

Oh wait I'm sorry I just read this.

"supporting terrorism and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Sounds a little like some other country that we don't know what to do with right now.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:39 PM
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5. Sound like deja vu all over again.
(sorry Yogi)
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:42 PM
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6. Please go to C-SPAN
And watch the rerun of this morning's Washington Journal. A congressman by the name of Eliot Engel(D) from New York was on there. He a co-sponsor of this bill for sanctions against Syria. Anyway, after a caller disagreed with him, Congressman Engel said that he agreed with President Bush* when he said that you are either with us or you are with the terrorists and obviously this caller is with the terrorists. Imagine my horror.

How are we going to get anywhere in this country with people like him, who are supposed to represent our side, saying stuff like that?

Also, isn't Syria one of the only countries with whom we don't hold a trade deficit?
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:43 PM
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7. Condoleeezzza and the Bushies, out to "democratize" America
at a very hefty price tag, in lives and dollars.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:45 PM
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8. Well, we still have time to contact our Congresscritters
and I'll do that today.
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 04:02 PM
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16. Not really
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR01828:@@@P

A majority of congressman are already cosponsoring it including Sheila Jackson-Lee, Bob Filner, Jesse Jackson, Jr., Barney Frank, Lynn Woolsey and many other liberals.

I believe there are something like 76 senate cosponsors and the main sponsor is Barbara Boxer. This bill will get passed and it doesn't do anything like authorize war so I think many people have been overreacting here.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:53 PM
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9. Next summer or spring - we attack
And maybe not just Syria. This administration will do anything to retain power. Look for another aircraft carrier moment when the commander in chief leads us into war, and how dare we dissent. . . Behind the scenes, more assurance of the vote tallies by controlling the process. It's a two-fold strategy, and it's coming.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 01:05 PM
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10. Is it just me?
Or does it seem like the U.S. and Israel are doing everything they can to push the Muslim world into an East-West World War III?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-03 01:02 PM
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22. Hi Sandpiper!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 01:14 PM
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11. Wonderful, just wonderful
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 01:45 PM
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12. Any of the candidates
that were/are against the debacle in Iraq coming out to oppose this future debacle in Syria...you know a pre-emptive stand on Imperialism or just more of the peanut gallery 'what and see' if we can use it as a issue
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 02:45 PM
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13. 2 republicans voted no
Edited on Thu Oct-09-03 02:46 PM by NewJerseyDem
Ron Paul, who is more a libertarian than a republican, voted no and so did the unbelievable right wing extremist and kind of libertarian, Jeff Flake.

http://wwwa.house.gov/international_relations/108/surv1008.htm

Voting yes: Leach, Smith (NJ), Burton, Ros-Lehtinen, Ballenger, Rohrabacher, Royce, Chabot, McHugh, Tancredo, Smith (MI), Pitts, Davis, Green, Pence, McCotter, Janklow, Harris, Lantos, Berman, Ackerman, Menendez, Brown, Sherman, Wexler, Engel, Crowley, Hoeffel, Schiff, Smith (WA), McCollum, Bell and Hyde.

Voting no: Paul and Flake.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 03:21 PM
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14. The utterly wonderful Ron Paul again
On a completey different note and whilst it not exactly news or unexespected, AIPAC have been pushing for it.
www.aipac.org/documents/syria051903.pdf
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 03:29 PM
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15. Also
I think Barbara Boxer and Rick Santorum may be the main sponsers of the bill going through the Senate or at i found one for May 1st 2003 withe their names on.

http://www.theorator.com/bills108/s982.html
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nn2004 Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 04:06 PM
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17. Serious question
Does Syria support or allow terror training camps in their country?

If so then how do we best convince them that they should not do that?
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 04:12 PM
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18. Liberal Neo-Con Tools
This is outragous. It is about much more than the training camps that have been there for years. Israel is obviously poised to invade Syria with our blessing. When they occupy Syria we will let them cross occupied Iraq to invade Iran. Then we will be caught in the middle between two nuclear armed adversaries.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 05:30 PM
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19. Following the PNAC timeline...
when your poll numbers are down-down-down don't fret! Just start another war! Fuck imperialism! We're back to good ol neo-colonialism!
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 09:43 PM
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21. What a tangled web we weave!
Y'know, it occurred to me that this vote for sanctions -- strongly supported by Dems -- may have been an attempt to slap Halliburton for not only its continued and hypocritical business interests with countries Herr Bush himself has targeted as terrorist training camps, but the obscene amounts of money they are making in Iraq by the awarding of no-bid contracts.

With that thought in mind, I did a google search for Halliburton-Syrian connnections. The more I read, the more shocked I became when I discovered just how many state retirement systems are tied up with companies like Halliburton who are still doing business with "terrorist-sponsoring" nations, not to mention just how much of NYC's own pension funds are invested with said companies.

Is this why Halliburton is being awarded all these no-bid contracts? How many Americans -- including NYC police and firefighters -- are actually aware that their pension funds are tied up with investments linked to businesses operating in Iran and Syria? How would sanctions against Syria affect those retirement fund investments, and why are Dems pushing this?

I have to admit that the more I read about all of this, the more confused I've become. Anyone out there who can straighten out this tangled web we weave?

Anyway, here are excerpts from two articles published earlier this year:

http://www.conflictsecurities.com/id46.htm (Conflict Securities Advisory Group)

Investing in Terrorism: State retirement systems hold shares worth $1.1B in firms tied to suspect nations


By Jennifer Ryan
March 16, 2003


Chandler Fire Battalion Chief Dick McBlane stood before the 10-story mountain of destruction left by the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, speechless.

A year and a half later, the shattered glass, the groan of a crane and the acidic vapors that burned his nose are lodged in his brain, he said, especially as he considers the possibility that his retirement income is being invested in companies doing business in terrorist-sponsoring countries.

(snipping)

The Tribune has reviewed the stock and bond holdings of seven public retirement systems in Arizona, as well as the State Compensation Fund, and found that combined, the eight systems have at least $1.1 billion invested in companies doing business in countries identified by the U.S. State Department.... (Chart follows -- see it!)

More...


http://money.cnn.com/2003/02/10/news/companies/terror_firms/

Business terror links probed


NYC asks Halliburton, G.E. & CononoPhillips to review dealings in Iran and Syria.
February 10, 2003: 3:17 PM EST



NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - New York City's comptroller is asking three American corporations to examine subsidiary business with terrorism-related states.

Comptroller William Thompson, whose office oversees the city's pension funds, has submitted shareholder resolutions to three companies -- Halliburton, General Electric and ConocoPhillips -- asking for a review of the companies' dealings in Iran and Syria. The resolutions were filed on behalf of the city's fire and police department pensions.

"We believe their use of offshore and United Kingdom subsidiaries to establish operations with countries that sponsor terrorism violates the spirit, if not the letter of the law," Thompson said in a written statement. "These actions also expose the companies to the prospect of negative publicity, public protests, and a loss of consumer confidence, all of which can have a negative impact on shareholder value."

New York City's pension funds have $951 million invested in General Electric, $124 million in ConocoPhillips and $23 million in Halliburton.

More...




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