Saudis are becoming top threat to our GIs (NYP)

[ovidsen]

Yes, it's the New York Post, but I'm glad. At least people read this paper. And keep in mind it was a Murdoch (News Corp.) paper that first published the DSM (The Sunday Times of London).

SAUDIS ARE BECOMING TOP THREAT TO OUR GIS

By NILES LATHEM


June 29, 2005 -- WASHINGTON — U.S. commanders in Iraq are facing a growing security threat from Saudi Arabia — which is emerging as a major center for recruitment and financing of terrorist operations in Iraq, The Post has learned.

Officials said that over the past few months, they have seen the Saudi connection to Iraq terror groups — like Abu Musab Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq — increase as more fanatics cross into Iraq to fight American forces.

New intelligence also suggests that after Zarqawi pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden earlier this year, there has been an increase in financing and other support from al Qaeda cells, radical clerics and wealthy businessmen inside Saudi Arabia, officials said.

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/49287.htm

Iraq wouldn't be attracting all these foreign recruits if it weren't for the US invasion. And the invasion would never have happened if BushCo hadn't lied about Iraq, 9/11, and WMDs. Spread the word.

[lovuian]

1. Lets put Saudi Arabia as an axis of evil country!!!

Lets go in and take over Mecca ( sarcasm)

[bettyellen]

2. both Kerry and Clark went on last night about the borders in Iraq

and my jaw dropped to see for once, two Dems stay on message.

[Minstrel Boy]

3. Don't fall for it.

The "Saudis did it!" bandwagon is coming.

[ovidsen]

8. I'm not.

I hope to heaven the US doesn't attack Saudia Arabia, or Syria... or Yemen or Bosnia for that matter.

It is downright criminal that Bushco couldn't forsee that occupying Iraq would result in a steady influx of volunteers from all over the world who believe the US has no right to export it's version of "good" government to "unresponsive" countries.

[Brundle_Fly]

27. as if...

America would never attack the Saudis.

If they were going to you'd think 911 would have given them all the fodder they'd need to do so.

[leveymg]

28. "The Prize" - Saudi Arabia

Everything -- Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran -- until U.S. troops occupy the Arabian Penninsula and the offshore fields in the Persian Gulf, will just be a warmup act.

Everything is moving up to that. Don't ever forget The Prize: $18 trillion worth of Saudi crude.

How many lives do you think they've calculated that might be worth?

[LynnTheDem]

4. DAMN IT SYRIA!!! Don't make us come over there, SYRIA!!!

Just knock it off, SYRIA!!!

Stop it, SYRIA!!!

Heh.

[ovidsen]

10. That would be typical, wouldn't it?

US officials note a significant increase in fighters, weapons and other material crossing into Iraq from Saudi Arabia, so they make plans to attack....

SYRIA!

If this were a movie from, say, Woody Allen, or the Marx Brothers, it'd be funny. But it's not.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. I dread to quote him, but...

P.J. O'Rourke actually has a pertinent quote here. This is from memory, so it's not exactly right:

"Wherever a country is threatened by violence and injustice, the US will show up six months later and bomb the country next to it.

[Massacure]

5. The entire Middle East is a powder keg.

And Commander Cocoobananas just had to go and light it.

[EVDebs]

6. If world oil demand continues with stagnant supply, only 35 yrs left

of oil in the world...What will radical wahabi Islam do then ? Bernard Lewis will have to expand What Went Wrong ? by a couple pages for sure.

We need only look at Amory Lovins' Winning the Oil End Game
http://www.oilendgame.com/

but what will the Islamic world end up doing ? Forget Bush, it's the leadership the Dems and rational Repubs show now that he's proving the lamest of lameduck Presidents just minutes into his second term.

[glitch]

9. You

I like. :hi: Amory Lovins even provides the book FREE in pdf form.

http://www.oilendgame.com/pdfs/WtOEg_72dpi.pdf

Same with Natural Capitalism. One of the smartest guys on the planet, thanks for posting and reminding me that there is reason for optimism!

[EVDebs]

12. His conservationism is what got us thru the first oil shocks. Then 1982

and Reagan tossed out all the good stuff on renewables. What shortsightedness.

[glitch]

17. That is how long I have been loving Amory

and despising Reagan. Ok, not despising anymore. Pitying. Shortsighted is the word for all these retreads.

[Richard Steele]

26. Thank you for that link; I was not aware of that free PDF!

Downloading it right now!

Here's your pie:

[EVDebs]

29. When the oil runs out, what will those jihadis going to do then ?

It's all in the arithetic.

In something like 29 years or less, Bernard Lewis' What Went Wrong will really need updating. There's lots of sand for silicon-based solar cells...maybe that's what Bush and Cheney are REALLY after !

1.14 trillion barrels of oil...84 million barrels consumed daily (now) projected to rise to 120 million barrels daily in 25 yrs...

[meppie-meppie not]

13. yep and you guys have been selling them weapons since the 70's :(

[wuushew]

15. The Saudis will reconfigure into a more stable societal configuration

As is stands now the Saudi birthrate is one of the highest in the world, but the annual per capital oil dividend is one that has been steadily decreasing for more than twenty years.

How can high rates of unemployment, idleness and a non-democratic and non-participatory economy not be a recipe for disaster?

That region will not become the next China or India. Moderate fishing, agriculture and trading as was done historically will no doubt return as the center of livelihood.

[EVDebs]

30. Back to the Future ! 7th Century style

[Nothing Without Hope]

7. Did Bush mention the Saudis EVEN ONCE in his travesty of a speech last

night? After all, most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis and there was so much Saudi connection witht he event that he had those pages of testimony made secret.

And there is this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1870204
Thread title: Important new essay and info from Sibel Edmonds! ("FBI and 9/11")

(snip)

In certain cases, frustrated FBI agents cited ‘direct pressure by the State Department,’ and in other cases ‘sensitive diplomatic relations’ is cited. I provided the Department of Justice Inspector General and the 9/11 Commission with detailed and specific information and evidence regarding this issue, and the names of other witnesses willing to corroborate this, and the names of certain U.S. officials involved in these transactions and activities.

Now, after almost 4 years, we get to hear new bits & pieces: FBI & Midhar’s Case; FBI & Abdel-Hafiz Case; FBI & Saudi planes leaving just days after 9/11 without having the passengers questioned; FBI & Youssef Case; and the list goes on.

Today, after nearly four years since 9/11, the American people still do not know that thousands of lives can be jeopardized under the unspoken policy of ‘protecting certain foreign business relations.’ The victims' family members still do not realize that information and answers they have sought relentlessly for almost 4 years has been blocked due to the unspoken decisions made and disguised under ‘safeguarding certain diplomatic relations.’

Where is the so-called congressional oversight? Why the 9/11 Commission intentionally omitted this info; although they’ve had it all along? Where is accountability?

(More in opening post of that DU thread and original link)

[meppie-meppie not]

14. nope he didn't and why would he, after all we can't forget his good

buddy Bandar Bush!

[symbolman]

23. Actually I was surprised that he DID

mention Saudi Arabia -- my jaw dropped to hear him mentioning it..

his old buddies? Daddy's biz pals?

Yep, he said it, I heard it..

[indepat]

11. Absolutely shocking considering only 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers alleged

to be Saudis.

[meppie-meppie not]

16. to complain about the Saudis would simply result in the Saudis playing

their extrosion trump card yet again...reduced oil production/sales and increasing crude oil prices yet again. Each and every time your government in the past 30+ years balked at an arms sale to them they simply reduced oil production and sales and increased prices. They are truly pigs bar none!!! :puke:

[Strawman]

18. Most of the insurgents are Iraqis

This is just trying to feed the myth that by fighting the terrorists "over there" we're somehow safer over here. We're not. We're safer here when we focus on and invest in our security here and don't start unnecessary wars that can be used as a recruting tool for terrorist organizations.

[Nothing Without Hope]

20. Naturally - it's their country that was invaded. n/t

[Doctor_J]

21. WWIII is a-comin'

and the US will live in infamy as the man who let the catalyst live in the WH for 8 years.

[lovuian]

22. Its the Crusades over again!!! And Mecca is the center of the

World!!! The royal princes are sitting on boatloads of cash but can they protect themselves from the young upstarts galvanized by US in Iraq!!!

We will see We will see!!!

[VegasWolf]

25. and Bush is after the Ark of the Covenant so that he can rule the world. n

[megatherium]

31. and Bush will say "It's beautiful!" as the Angel of Death appears. nt

[David Zephyr]

24. Kick!

From Murdoch's paper. Hmmm.

[RPM]

32. hey - didnt saudis fly planes into prominent US buildings on 9/11

must be a conincidence :eyes: