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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 05:59 PM
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Opec suspends talks on increasing output (face it, OPEC is tapped out)
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 06:22 PM by hadrons
Crude prices settled slightly down after rising in late trade on news that the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries had suspended talks about increasing production quotas by 500,000 barrels a day.


Opec said it would resume negotiations only if the oil price hit $60 a barrel.

Sheikh Ahmad Fahad Al-Sabah, Opec president and Kuwait’s oil minister, said $53 for West Texas Intermediate, the US benchmark, was an “ideal” price.

This is a higher level than Opec had previously stated.

At a meeting last month, most Opec ministers stated that $40-$50 was a suitable price range for consumers and producers.

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http://news.ft.com/cms/s/ef673be8-e956-11d9-ba15-00000e2511c8.html

When oil hits $54 then $65 will be the “ideal” price
When oil hits $64 then $75 will be the “ideal” price
When oil hits $74 then $85 will be the “ideal” price

....

you get the idea

* when I said 'tapped out' I mean the ability to pump extra oil, not that they are running out
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:02 PM
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1. I wonder...
if the oil shortage is much more critical than any of us know. Is the tap really about to run dry? At first I thought the high prices were just due to the fact that oil companies had their hand puppet in the White House and knew he wasn't going to challenge them on anything, but now I'm wondering if it's a lot more serious than that.

:scared:
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:03 PM
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5. The people in Washington would never admit to this,
but their actions speak louder than words. If you look back to about 10 years ago, some really strange things started happening in Washington. It took me a long time to figure out what was happening; lots of reading on the Internet was needed.

I finally figured out that Peak Oil is a reality. And if you think about it, doesn't EVERYTHING make sense from that standpoint?
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:16 PM
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7. Oil will completely run out in 2027 or 2028 assuming 3% growth.
That also means that the amount we pump will have to shoot up by 2/3 between now and then though. Who knows if anyone is willing to burn the cash to do that.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:09 PM
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2. THE SAUDI OIL BOMBSHELL ---A Times up in the
curent World Media Watch.....will be archived there tomorrow

http://www.buzzflash.com/mediawatch/05/06/wmw05076.html

WORLD MEDIA WATCH FOR JUNE 29, 2005

1/Asia Times Online, Hong Kong--THE SAUDI OIL BOMBSHELL (… now, from an unexpected source, comes a devastating challenge to this powerful dogma: in a newly released book, investment banker Matthew R Simmons convincingly demonstrates that, far from being capable of increasing its output, Saudi Arabia is about to face the exhaustion of its giant fields and, in the relatively near future, will probably experience a sharp decline in output. "There is only a small probability that Saudi Arabia will ever deliver the quantities of petroleum that are assigned to it in all the major forecasts of world oil production and consumption," Simmons writes in Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy. "Saudi Arabian production," he adds, italicizing his claims to drive home his point, "is at or very near its peak sustainable volume ... and it is likely to go into decline in the very foreseeable future." … The prevailing view goes like this: according to the DoE, Saudi Arabia possesses approximately one-fourth of the world's proven oil reserves, an estimated 264 billion barrels. In addition, the Saudis are believed to harbor additional, possible reserves containing another few hundred billion barrels. On this basis, the DoE asserts, "Saudi Arabia is likely to remain the world's largest oil producer for the foreseeable future." … And this is where Simmons enters the picture, with his meticulously documented book showing that Saudi producers cannot be trusted to tell the truth about future Saudi oil output. First, a few words about the author of Twilight in the Desert. Matthew ("Matt") Simmons is not a militant environmentalist or anti-oil partisan; he is chairman and chief executive officer of one of the nation's leading oil-industry investment banks, Simmons & Company International. For decades, Simmons has been pouring billions of dollars into the energy business, financing the exploration and development of new oil reservoirs. In the process, he has become a friend and associate of many of the top figures in the oil industry, including Bush and Cheney. He has also accumulated a vast storehouse of information about the world's major oilfields, the prospects for new discoveries, and the techniques for extracting and marketing petroleum. There is virtually no figure better equipped than Simmons to assess the state of the world's oil supply. And this is why his assessment of Saudi Arabia's oil production capacity is so devastating.)


see the full article and be scared.



1//Asia Times Online, Hong Kong Jun 29, 2005
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GF29Ak01.html

THE SAUDI OIL BOMBSHELL
By Michael T. Klare
Michael T Klare is a professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College and the author of Blood and Oil: The Dangers and Consequences of America's Growing Petroleum Dependency

For those oil enthusiasts who believe that petroleum will remain abundant for decades to come - among them President George W Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, and their many friends in the oil industry - any talk of an imminent "peak" in global oil production and an ensuing decline can be easily countered with a simple mantra: "Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia."

Not only will the Saudis pump extra oil now to alleviate global shortages, it is claimed, but they will keep pumping more in the years ahead to quench our insatiable thirst for energy. And when the kingdom's existing fields run dry, lo, they will begin pumping from other fields that are just waiting to be exploited. We ordinary folk need have no worries about oil scarcity, because Saudi Arabia can satisfy our current and future needs. This is, in fact, the basis for the Bush administration's contention that we can continue to increase our yearly consumption of oil, rather than conserve what's left and begin the transition to a post-petroleum economy. Hallelujah for Saudi Arabia!

But now, from an unexpected source, comes a devastating challenge to this powerful dogma: in a newly released book, investment banker Matthew R Simmons convincingly demonstrates that, far from being capable of increasing its output, Saudi Arabia is about to face the exhaustion of its giant fields and, in the relatively near future, will probably experience a sharp decline in output. "There is only a small probability that Saudi Arabia will ever deliver the quantities of petroleum that are assigned to it in all the major forecasts of world oil production and consumption," Simmons writes in Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy. "Saudi Arabian production," he adds, italicizing his claims to drive home his point, "is at or very near its peak sustainable volume ... and it is likely to go into decline in the very foreseeable future."
In addition, there is little chance that Saudi Arabia will ever discover new fields that can take up the slack from those now in decline. "Saudi Arabia's exploration efforts over the last three decades were more intense than most observers have assumed," Simmons asserts. "The results of these efforts were modest at best."

If Simmons is right about Saudi Arabian oil production - and the official dogma is wrong - we can kiss the era of abundant petroleum goodbye forever. This is so for a simple reason: Saudi Arabia is the world's leading oil producer, and there is no other major supplier (or combination of suppliers) capable of making up for the loss in Saudi production if its output falters. This means that if the Saudi Arabia mantra proves deceptive, we will find ourselves in an entirely new world - the "twilight age" of petroleum, as Simmons puts it. It will not be a happy place.

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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:26 PM
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4. Scuse Me
____For those oil enthusiasts who believe that petroleum will remain abundant for decades to come - among them President George W Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, and their many friends in the oil industry - any talk of an imminent "peak" in global oil production and an ensuing decline can be easily countered with a simple mantra: "Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia.____

Anyone who believes that Bush/Cheney think oil reserves "will remain abundant for decades to come" also believe that Iraq was invaded
a) to remove WMD
b) keep terrorist from America's shore
c) to bring Iraqi's that long awaited democracy form of government
d) (my personal favorite) the Tooth Fairy!

Come on. Let's quit pretending. Everything from here on out is a going to be who controls the last cheap energy resouces of the world. Think of it this way....remember when you used to play "King of the Hill"? Bush/Cheney/Cabal think they should be King of the Hill and to hell with everyone else.
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pilgrimsoul Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:24 PM
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3. Does anyone know what oil closed at today?
I'm guessing the downward dip in price over the last two days is VERY temporary. With this OPEC news, we may see oil up to $60 again by next Tuesday.
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 07:08 PM
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6. oil closed today
at 56.50, in after hours trading it is little changed.
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