Local (FL) Pastor Arrested On Child Porn Charges (WJXX)

[Up2Late]

(See, it's not just Catholic Priest's who can be perverts)

Local Pastor Arrested On Child Porn Charges

Created: 7/8/2005 5:01:15 PM
Updated: 7/8/2005 6:18:43 PM

By Jackelyn Barnard

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- The lead pastor of a First Coast Church is under arrest, accused of downloading child pornography on the church's computer.

Friday afternoon, JSO vice made a surprise visit to Eric Young's Northside home. Young, 58, is the lead pastor of Ft. Caroline United Methodist Church. Church members, who did not want us to share their names, tell us Young has been the pastor of the church for about a year. They say about three weeks ago, Young was put on leave suddenly.

First Coast News has learned, in mid-June, Bellsouth alerted the Church that someone was visting porn websites. "Members of the church called to report they had seen pornography and they believed it was child pornography on the pastor's computer in his office," says Lt. Mike Gwynes of the JSO vice squad.

Police say they did forensic testing on the church's computer and found that it was child porn. "Based on analysis, it was child porn and it could have only been placed there by the pastor," says Lt. Gwynes.

Lt. Gwynes says all kinds of porn were on there, but the basis for the arrest was a video of child porn. According to the police report, it was a young girl. The video's name was, "Three year old gets raped..."

<http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=40189>
(more at link above)

[DURHAM D]

1. Usually Methodists with those kind of problems become

Southern Baptists. This is unusual.

[havocmom]

2. or pResidents?

:evilgrin:

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Why are most perverts

Fristians?

[DIKB]

4. They delude themselves

Rather than DEALING with disturbing thoughts and desires, they repress them and hope that "christ" will help them beat it. In a religious belief system where everything is fine as long as you're forgiven, they ride a see-saw of guilt/regret and indulgence. Never truly conquering it, repeatedly giving in to it.

The world would be a lot better if people realized the answers and solutions come from within, rather than from without.

[Monkie]

7. but but thats exactly why organised christianity is such a good TOOL

but yeah agree with the rest of your comment..

[progressivebydesign]

34. I do think that the concept of "demons" appeals to those types..

..it's easier for them to embrace religion and blame it on demons, than to accept that they are fucked up people.

[DemBones DemBones]

18. They're not. The stories posted at DU are

not representative of all the news stories of arrests of pedophiles and other perverts.

[delete_bush]

5. Question: does one have to go beyond

just googling to get this stuff? In other words, do you have to make a concerted effort to find this filth, including paying for it?

[fist]

6. ehem....

It's not ALWAYS that bad.... I've had people in CHAT rooms send me this shit, as in, hey, you gotta SEE these far-out pictures. So, you click on and open pure slime.

It's happened to me before, and tho' I NEVER do this, at this point I alerted the mods and put the asshole on ignore. I never "tell on" people, but jeez, I'm not going to jail 'cuz some shithead sent me disgusting pictures.

OTOH, one pervert who tried to molest ME at 15 (better than 3, I suppose), was my landlord and a Methodist preacher... Wow, how to say no? I mean, I wasn't that worried about God at that point, but the guy could have EVICTED us. Bleh...

[delete_bush]

9. thanks, I was wondering if his "defense" could

be that he didn't know how it got there. With the seeming ability of anyone being able to invade your computer and plant whatever they want, it seems that outside of a financial transaction documenting the purchase it could be tough to make a case against him or anyone else in a similar situation, unless there are email/chat room trails showing such a specific request.

[lildreamer316]

8. Here's how some of that may have happened:

If you have a DL program and you type in any key words such as girl, sex, rape, etc. you will get back myriad results, some of which will start with phrases like mentioned above;when in actuality it is a very dressed-to-look-young 18/20 yr old (maybe 16).In other words, they put keywords in to attract someone to download it. Now, I don't know how anyone older could be made to look like a 3 year old, but you see my point in general. This was definately child porn, but I see potential for alot of problems with this scenario if an adult had downloaded porn for his/her personal use that includes all of-age participants but in labelled wrong. Makes a case for buying it instead of DLing it; huh?

NOT trying to defend the guy AT ALL; scum of the earth as far as I am concerned.

[Must_B_Free]

29. I agree; he also could have selected a bunch and that was in the middle

furthermore, if they had an unsecure wireless network, someone wardriving could have been responsible for the download.

weak evidence here.

[wakeme2008]

10. excuse me... I have a major problem with this case

" Bellsouth alerted the Church that someone was visting porn websites"

Why is Bellsouth monitoring what anybody does on their computer!!!!!!!

I find this very 1984..........

[Up2Late]

11. I saw that too, it did concerned me, but it sounds like the church...

may have found this stuff previously.

Just guessing, but they may have had Parental Controls or asked BellSouth to Monitor it for them, but the 1984 aspect is worrying.

[Hello_Kitty]

12. I think they do this

Because a lot of those sites charge money. They might have done it as a service, to let the church know that someone was charging porn to their account. Kinda like the credit card company alerting you to unusual charges.

[Dogmudgeon]

13. BellSouth is allowed, no, REQUIRED to do this

Several recent laws have made this so. And not just for child porn, but all porn.

If you want to place blame, think about it the next time there is a Pedo Frenzy here on DU.

And since the precedent has been set with child porn, they will soon start actively monitoring for music and movie downloads.

--p!

[wakeme2008]

14. Or visit to sites like DU nt

[mongo]

15. Do you have a link?

"BellSouth is allowed, no, REQUIRED to do this" Several recent laws have made this so. And not just for child porn, but all porn.

There have been some changes in USC 18 % 2257 which require secondary producers of porn (described as anyone in the distribution chain, including retailers and websites that buy content) have to keep records of PERFORMERS in the movies they offer. There is a temporary injunction against enforcement of this law for all members of the Free Speech Coalition.

There is also a DOJ PROPOSAL that ISP's keep records of all internet users activity - but that is only a proposal.

Both are discussed here - a really worthwhile read http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/22289/

But as much as I would like for people to be afraid of downloading porn off the internet and come into my store instead - AFAIK, there are no laws requiring ISP's to keep records or notify anyone if porn is downloaded on their computer. In fact, it is very hard to get information out of ISP's. We had a CC stolen and an internet account started using it, and the provider would not release any information about the account without a subpoena.

[Dogmudgeon]

20. A link for what?

It's part of the Digital Millenium Communication Act, several modifications to it, as well as several hundred local and a few federal laws. In addition, at least two international agreements compel ISPs to rat out users.

But who cares about what the law really says? Certainly not the prosecutors.

The ISPs, to their credit, have resisted these laws tooth-and-nail, but the day will certainly come when a public frenzy targets an ISP. Then more laws will be written, and ISP supervisors and execs will go to prison as material accomplices.

ISPs may not be required to keep records, but they are charged with the responsibility of suppressing child porn (as well as the more-mundane, but still-illegal "obscene material"), even if it is technically impossible.

The legal skirmishes are pretty well covered in SlashDot and various cyberlaw journals. BellSouth may be scanning for porn thinking that the feds and the small-peanuts "Traffic Cops for the Information Superhighway" (which most of them love to repeat in news stories) will find some hidden atrocity first and send them to prison.

I did read your link to Newitz' story, and the letter by Trilux makes the usual mistake -- assuming that the law will be read parsimoniously by a judge who has no prejudice against erotica entrepreneurs. This just doesn't happen, and nearly all actions against the porn industry are overly broad and strenuously enforced. BellSouth is reacting with overly-broad behavior of its own.

The law itself is largely a pretext, and new laws are wild cards until a body of decisions and opinions is developed. Even then, legal fads may change the interpretations, the way firearms laws have been radically re-interpreted since WW2.

If you run a porn shop, you probably know you face similar risks of your own. Even having a computerized POS system will allow cyber and wire law to be applied to you.

But you probably also know that our culture is suffering through yet another one of our decennial Moral Frenzies, with all sorts of sex being re-defined as evil and thousands of hapless people fated to spend several years in prison for newly-minted crimes, non-crimes, or criminalized one-time virtues. In times like these, the law becomes not a surgically-precise tool, but a blunt-force instrument. It can be safely and verifiably assumed that when careerist, power-drunk lawyers encounter human sexuality, a rape of some kind is going to occur.

--p!

[mongo]

26. I don't really see the ISP's getting in trouble

It is the individual owners of domains.

Outside of the realm of child porn - which we all can agree is horrid and the filming of sex crimes against children, for the most part the feds have been going against small time operators of web sites featuring scat videos and/or bestiality. I believe every one of these cases has been plead out for a deal.

The exception of course is Rob Black and Extreme Assoc., a mid-sized company in the porn market that makes some very nasty videos. But they were lucky enough to draw a judge in fed court that ruled the obscenity laws were unconstitutional. Stay tuned for the fight on this one.

If you run a porn shop, you probably know you face similar risks of your own. Even having a computerized POS system will allow cyber and wire law to be applied to you.

Honestly, this is so low on the risks I face everyday from being in this business it isn't even on my radar. I'm worried more about carding anyone that looks under 30, the vice squad only picking up prostitutes in my parking lot (even though I run them out of here and the corner behind my lot) - so as to make my business look like a nuisance (the hookers and drug dealers were in the neighborhood long before I was), And if the person buying the 3 nastiest videos in the store is from the prosecutors office.

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[Lochloosa]

24. There is another problem with this..

Why wasn't the Pastor notified? He is the head of the church and according to what I understand, Bell South did not know :sarcasm: who was downloading the porn...I'm just saying

[Ian David]

16. Kiddie-Porn Reverend invited skateboarders to play at his church

Teens roll in to church with skateboard park

11/26/03

By Fran Coode Walsh
United Methodist News Service

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. | A little more than a year ago, avid skateboarder Brent Foucht, 16, convinced his church, Fort Caroline United Methodist, to build ramps for the neighborhood's young skateboarding enthusiasts.

Some of the church's elderly residents didn't think much of the idea.

But on a typical Friday evening, nearly 25 young people use the church's skateboarding area, and enjoy free hot dogs and Kool-Aid. After skating, they end the evening with 10 minutes of Bible study.

Two skateboarders have even been baptized after starting to play at the park.

"I hope they've found that Christians are actually nice guys," Brent said. "We can come out here and have fun and talk about God a little bit in between the cracks."

<snip>

"If we're not being in some relevant ministry in our community, what are we doing? Why are we here?" said the Rev. Eric Young, the church's pastor.

More:
http://tinyurl.com/aqzyl

[Up2Late]

17. WOW, Nice get! When did you find that?

That kind of sick, now that we know about today's development.

I don't even want to think about what he was doing as the Kids were outside skateboarding.

It's a good day to be a Buddhist.

[Ian David]

25. Found it last night in the Google Cache. Newspaper took article off-line

Be sure to save a copy and forward it along.

Pastor: "I want children to come play with me... pant pant... skateboard here, kiddies..."

[Up2Late]

30. Can you tell me, what do you have to do to search the Google...

...Cache files? Or the steps you have to go through?

[Ian David]

35. Just do a regular google search...

and if it says the page isn't available, just hit the "cache" link.

Also, there's a great site called The Wayback Machine at:
http://www.Archive.org

It does amazing things.

[Judi Lynn]

32. Oh, yes. Really GREAT grab, IanDB1.It adds more depth to this story,

showing how committed these pervs are to their obsession.

[Roland99]

19. "The video's name was, 'Three year old gets raped'"?!?!?!?

:wtf:

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Endangered Specie]

21. Goddamn pervert...

:puke:

Throw his ass in a funny farm.

[damnthetorpedoes]

23. Prison will do nicely

I give him about 6 weeks to live there.

[LyleNews]

27. "Bellsouth alerted the Church that someone was visting porn websites. "

Since when does BellSouth see itself as some sort of moral judge? My advice to the soon-to-be ex-pastor is, "Next time, buy your O W N computer and P A Y for your own internet access, pervert."

[onager]

28. This happened in my Mom's SoBaptist church...

...just recently. I don't think it involved child porn, just regular adult porn.

I also don't know all the juicy details. (Dammit, Mom, get to investigating! If you knew my every move when I went on a date at age 16, this should be a piece of cake!)

Apparently one of the church secretaries came across a huge porn stash, and the only other person who used the computer was the preacher.

He has been fired.

[Judi Lynn]

31. Big week for Florida churches!

Church volunteer in West Hollywood charged with indecent assault

By Lori Sykes
Staff Writer
Posted July 8 2005


A longtime church volunteer was in jail Thursday after an 8-year-old girl accused him of fondling her in a hallway at the First Baptist Church of West Hollywood. He was arrested on similar charges during a church field trip last week in St. Petersburg.

Edward Randall Bostic, 47, of Dania Beach, has attended the church for 20 years and worked there part-time doing odd jobs for the past two years.
(snip)

The girl told her mother what happened on July 2, after she saw a television news report about Bostic's arrest in St. Petersburg. Her family went to police, Negron said.
(snip)

Last week, he accompanied the church's summer campers on a trip to Eckerd College. A 10-year-old from another church accused him of fondling her on top of her clothes during a bus ride June 30, said St. Petersburg Detective J.P. Deluca. Bostic admitted to touching the girl, Deluca said. He was arrested and charged with lewd and lascivious molestation on a child younger than 12, He was released on $7,500 bail, according to records.
(snip/...)

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-sbostic08jul08,0,5369741.story?coll=sfla-home-headline



Edward Randall Bostic

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If these guys ever get organized, the ones who need pornography can go along with the molesters on their assaults and get it on tape.

[jazzjunkysue]

33. Why is it always florida? What have they got in the water down there?