Israel plans to attack Iranian nuclear plants (German)

[ze_dscherman]

Sorry, no English link yet, this is breaking news from German Spiegel Online Magazine

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,269355,00.html

Brief summary: Spiegel Online got information that Mossad approximately two months ago got the order to prepare attack plans against about half a dozen targets simultaneously. Targets include three nuclear sites not previously known to the public.

Mossad says the operation would be difficult, but technically feasible. Israel claims that the Iranians are in a very advanced stage of preparing highly enriched uranium and thus would not sign any contract on closer (and unannounced) inspections.

[E_Zapata]

1. Wow.........

The plans I want to hear about are the the discussions and agreements showing Bush/Cheney telling Israel" "Okay boys, we will get the war started for you by invading Iraq, but after that......given this f'd up democracy we have, our hands are bound to be tied. So you guys really need to keep the war drums drumming......."

[La_Serpiente]

2. Oh great

Hmmm...let's see my prediction for the middle east. OK

The US is already there, the Israelis are commiting ethnic dehumanization on Palestine, and Israel went into Syria and bombed it. Now, Israel is going to bomb Iran.

Now, Jordan won't join any war in the region.

OKk...Russia is going to get pissed off because they are providing the material to Iran for the Nuclear Power Plant. Iraq will be a war between Iran and Terrorists (lucky for them, the US is in the region). Wahaabis will get pissed off at the Saud Kingdom, to whom they are already pissed at for making relations with the US, and take over the crown. If Saudi Arabia is to stop them , they would have to be like Sadaam and stop all religion.

Now...who's going to be next...I guess Syria will be next...then Iran, then Saudi Arabia, who's easily playing into the plan of the US.

Talk about Imperialism...this is hyper imperialism.

And to think that the UN is not going to intervene.

Now I know why the US doesn't want the UN in Iraq...they want to create a purely pro-American state that they hope will be pro-Israel too.

I hope that they make the Iraqui Constitution like the German and Japanese Constitution.

[ConcernedCanuk]

3. Handy tool maybe DU could link to for Translations

"The Israeli government under Prime Minister Ariel Scharon is obviously ready to switch off with purposeful military strikes Teherans nuclear program. A special-purpose force of the secret service Mossad received the order two months ago ago to prepare appropriate plans of attack. "


SEE - it works ! (cuz I know NO German !)

CC

[ConcernedCanuk]

4. Rest of the Text - translated

Hamburg - after information MIRRORS see the scenarios submitted in Jerusalem forwards that about a half dozen of goals would have to be destroyed by F-16 combat bombers "at the same time as well as completely" - an action, which is according to estimate of the Mossad delicately, but "technically to master". After realizations of Israel the Iranians work on several places already in the final stage to make uranium capable of bearing arms by enrichment.

Three atomic plants should be so far completely unknown the international community. Experts therefore assume Teheran will not sign the supplementary protocol to the nuclear weapon check contract. With unangekuendigten attendance of representatives of the international atomic energy authority, such an Israeli safety expert to the MIRROR, Teheran would have to be afraid "embarrassing discoveries".

Translated at http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/

CC (dammm - I love dat wee translator)

[ze_dscherman]

6. weri fanni

Sounds very funny, but the translation keeps the facts correct. "unangekuendigten" means "not announced".

If you need proper translations of single words, I highly recommend http://dict.leo.org/.

[ConcernedCanuk]

9. Thanks for the link

I guess the elctronic translator just uses the "origonal" word if it can't find an appropriate translation

AND

I have bookmarked the link you sent me

Thanks again

[ReadTomPaine]

5. I wrote something a few months ago about this...

I had a feeling Israel was planning something akin to a repeat of the 1981 bombing of Iraq’s nuke plant. I think the recent moves into Syria were to test the waters with the US and Europe regarding Israel widening their use of military force.

Given the fact that the US barely criticized them and some in the current administration actually supported these moves, Sharon & Likud probably feel they have carte blanche regarding the use of force at this time.

They (and we) had better hope that Iran hasn’t finished any of these projects or obtained any functional weapons from NK, or we may see them used shortly in retaliation. The christian fundamentalists might just get their twisted apocalyptic wish of seeing Israel destroyed by a sea of nuclear fire. The belief in this rapture-related vision of Armageddon is not as fringe as some might think, btw. Tom Delay, for instance, is a true believer. He’s even got a plaque on his office wall that reads, “This could be the day” referring to just this event.

Scary stuff. I wish Yitzhak Rabin hadn’t been assassinated.

[ze_dscherman]

7. Israel planned to bomb the busheer reactor back in 2001

Newsmax reported on 9/11 on Israels plans to bomb the reactor.

See: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/10/114100.shtml

[tlb]

8. Nobody seems to be affording attention to thr 3 secret facilities.

If you take the article at face value this would indicate the Iranians have a more active program then imagined. It also shows they have no intentions on placing the full program under international inspectors.

The inference you must draw from this is the Iranian protests they are not going to go nuclear is a lie. This endangers Israeli survival. Palestenian survival too if you think about it.

I'm not certain I put any more reliance in Der Spiegel then I do Debka, but if this information is corect the Israelis would be mad NOT to commence contingency planning.

[ze_dscherman]

10. Comparing Spiegel to Debka?

Spiegel online usually is a very reliable source and the biggest news portal in Germany.

Question is, who passsed this information to Spiegel, and why at this time. And of course, if the source is reliable.

Regarding contingency planning, it would be mad for Iran NOT to try to produce a nuclear deterrent. Israel has just admitted (inofficially, of course) that it has developed nuclear missiles that can be launched from submarines.

[bemildred]

19. A very good question.

Why are we being given this "information" now?

Esp. combined with the information about how Israel has
nuclear capable sub-launched cruise missiles.

[mazzarro]

12. What about Israel's own nuclear program? Is it not detrimental to other

nations in the region?

[ConcernedCanuk]

13. Israel has over 200 Nukes - - but with the BFEE's blessing -

So that's OK

Iraq had Zero

- And the USA blew the shit outta them

-- Murikkkan Justice !

[ReadTomPaine]

15. Unfortunately this situation is largely a result of Bush/Sharon policies

A Gore/Rabin Middle Eastern policy would have resulted in significantly different results than we are seeing today, to everyone's benefit. People and policies matter, and they have consequences. There is no clearer example than this situation.

[punpirate]

11. While the issue of...

... whether or not Israel's possession and continuing manufacture of nuclear weapons is the impetus for the same programs of other countries in the region probably belongs in F/A, this report is not good news.

The environmental damage and eventual loss of life resulting from bombing active installations and/or live reactors would be staggering. As well, it does not seem likely that Iran would hesitate to retaliate. Would Israel's facilities at Dimona or Lod be safe? Would a general escalation of hostilities ensue?

[ReadTomPaine]

14. Yes it would make Chernobyl look like an apartment fire.

I've seen the footage of Chernobyl post diaster, and you could see the cherry red glow of the nuclear core in the middle of the rubble of the containment building exposed to the open air. A lot of Russians gave their lives and futures up (some without realizing it) to seal that building after it blew open, and that was just an accident, not a focused military strike.

[ReadTomPaine]

30. Pics of Chernobyl's glowing exposed reactor core and radiation spread

Here's what the ME can look forward to if this isn't resolved via diplomatic channels. Let’s hope sane minds prevail.

This is the glowing reactor core of Chernobyl exposed to the open air



And this is a map of Europe showing the scope of the contamination

[drdon326]

16. Good.

if this reactionary fascist regime wont allow inspections
then israel should take them out before they could use
them.

[drewb]

29. We can always count on you to voice the extremist position...

n/t

[durutti]

35. Israel Can Have Nukes...

But Iran can't?

[Noordam]

17. why doesn't Bush want Iran to have a nuc....

He could not do an Iraq to them, IF they had a nuc For Bush and the neocons this is NOT about Israel but their planned take over of Iran.

[Zhade]

22. And evidence you are correct: North Korea.

The one country that could be a real threat to us, and which only started nuclearizing in earnest after the ridiculous (and dangerous) "axis of evil" speech.

Also, note that NK's #1 demand is a non-agression pact with the U.S., and BushCo refuses to sign one. They refuse to promise not to attack NK!

Thanks, Bush. You're a real hero. Er, I mean, TRAITOR.

[TheReligiousLeft]

23. Bush gave in last night

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=161823>
Mayhap it was so he could go gung-ho after Iran... Just a thought.

[morebunk]

18. This should even unite the Iranian dissenters inside of Iran

As the US and Israel use thier spies to enrage dissent, they plan to attack a divided and disrupted nation. The Peace Prize is part of the plan. Divide and conquer.

[Nottingham]

20. Bush..ehr Nuclear Reactor built By poppy Bush

what a Karma :bounce:

[teryang]

21. Such an attack would involve extensive American

...cooperation.

[TheReligiousLeft]

24. Did the article

say when the attack would be carried out? Maybe Syria and Lebenon were just testing the waters and this thing will happen within a week... Or alternitivly maybe it happened yesterday but very secretly.
Any thoughts?

[bemildred]

25. If you were going to attack Iran's nuclear facilities

would YOU threaten the bejeezus out of them first about it?
Just to make sure they expended every effort to prepare for your
arrival? This is an attempt at pressure to get them to accede to
inspections, and maybe political bloviating for the home front.

[ze_dscherman]

31. Could be several reasons

First reason could be political pressure to move Iran to negotiations (sabre rattling).

Next reason could be the preparation of the public on some other action against Iran (shock the public first, then they'll be happy with a "milder" action).

Last (leastprobable) reason: Whistleblowers within the Israelian security. Think of the pilots that refused to bomb Palestinian targets.

[bemildred]

33. Agreed.

Because of the rather concerted effort to make threats,
as opposed to playing it down, my bets are on the sabre
rattling at this point. These folks all have a long history
of bullying, it seems to be their primary political mode. They
are in deep shit in a number of areas and this would seem to be
an attempt to get Syria and Iran to back off. Those two states
had shown signs of acting more assertively of late.

It appears to me that neither the USA nor Israel is in a condition
to be picking fights, although stupidity is always a good reason
for anything.

[Whoa_Nelly]

26. Two related stories ENGLISH VERSIONS

Israel ‘ready to hit Iran N-sites’


BERLIN — Israel’s spy agency Mossad has drawn up preemptive attack plans on six sites in Iran it suspects are being used to prepare nuclear weapons, Der Spiegel magazine says in its Monday edition, citing Israeli security officials.

A special Mossad unit received orders two months ago to prepare plans for attacks on half-a-dozen targets, the magazine said.

Complete destruction of the targets by F-16 fighter bombers was deemed achievable by Mossad, it said.

a bit more...
http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=43083

:nuke: AND :nuke:
(I think this second story is the English version of the German article)

Report: Mossad, IAF have plan for Iran nuke sites
By JPOST.COM STAFF

The German newspaper Der Spiegel reported Saturday that Israel has prepared plans for a pre-emptive strike against Iran's nuclear facilities in order to halt Iran's progress towards attaining nuclear weapons.

Der Spiegel reported that a special unit of the Mossad received an order two months ago to prepare a detailed plan to destroy Iran's nuclear sites. According to the paper, the Mossad's plan is ready and has been delivered to the Israeli Air Force, which will carry out the strike.

The newspaper said its source is an IAF fighter-bomber pilot, who said the plan to take out Iran's nuclear sites was "complex, yet manageable."


more...
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1065862092797&p=1008596981749

[KittyWampus]

27. Clark In Debate Re: Iran

I think the question that Candy raised about Iran is a very serious question.

And just to pick up on what John Kerry said, this administration's preemptive
doctrine is causing North Korea and Iran to accelerate their nuclear weapons
development.

Now, there are some of us who aren't in Washington right now. But I'd like to ask all
those who are -- let's see some leadership in the United States Congress. Let's see
you take apart that doctrine of preemption now. I don't think we can wait until
November of 2004 to change the administration on this threat. We're marching into
another military campaign in the Middle East. We need to stop it.

[ConcernedCanuk]

28. Wouldn't Putin be a wee bit concerned re bombing REACTORS ??

. . . Like he's gonna say Ok

- just make sure the wind ain't blowing over Russia ?

- Putin KNOWS what a reactor can do when out of control

- I'll be suprized if we don't here from Putin soon

Unless he WANTS an excuse to get involved - ??

Sorry - NOT a very nice thot - but ya never know

ALL the countries around there shuold be concerned -the wind is gonna blow Sumthing Sumwhere - NO ??

FrigaDee WWIII

(sigh)

[tlb]

32. A reactor is mainly very expensive plumbing

up to the point the nuclear fuel is added. Wind direction wouldn't matter assuming the strike is timed before this point.

Reference the Israeli strike on the Iraqi facilities for illustration, not Chernobyl.

[Nottingham]

34. Its a matter of time! They should Bomb it now! Why do they wait

:bounce: According to their policies shouldn't they have bombed it months ago!

:bounce: