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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 05:19 AM Original message |
Fake Research Allegations Reach New Highs |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. You won't find this sort of thing in the supplement industry... but you |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. There's Also A Network Of "Debunkers" Set Up To Smear Honest Research |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. so, what's your beef with Randi? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. He Participated In A Smear Campaign Against A Scientist Whose Work |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. who? what was the focus point for the research? |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Yes.... let's not let it out of the bag that spontaneous remissions occur |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Reminds me of a recent article..... |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Criminy..... how in the hell did they make that mistake??? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Your Attempt To Misdirect Discredits Any Point You Might Try To Make |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Yes, it's a rather large beef of mine since my father was chemo'd |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
31. There are also many cases |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I noticed in your post a reference to breast cancer... what if, I say, |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. I'm one. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Hey - I'm one of the lucky ones - I seem able to take any of my meds |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. So why don't you go claim Randi's Megabuck prize? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Because Randi Is A Charlatan & Will ALWAYS Interject Himself Into A |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. Sorry, but... |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. He is not |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. We could ask the same questions about the Snake-Oil salesmen... |
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William Seger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
34. Randi is no charlatan |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Here, here!! nt |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. No one knows |
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BuddhaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. "Supplements industry refuses to use the peer review process" |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. You go girl..... people buy whatever the corporate sources tell them |
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union_maid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. Supplement companies are corporations, too |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Do you have a link? |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. How does one conduct studies on oh, I don't know.. "broccoli" that |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Clinical trials for supplements |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Here it is in a nutshell..... I have listened to people who have been |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Need more than one study |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I take your point well..... and I understand that supplements are not |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
26. right, like how safe and effective ephedra is |
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BuddhaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. the ephedra ban was recently overtuned |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
2. The researches are now following the sterling example set by the WH. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. and just about anybody else |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. welcome to the new Dark Ages n/t |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. I Stand Partly Vindicated. The Science Industrial Complex Has Perverted |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. bullshit |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
7. Fake science to support the fake economy. nt |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
10. Don't blame everyone |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
11. Ahhh, remember the "smoking beagles" ....... |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
18. There's BIG BUCKS to be made in "cooking" Science! |
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LeighAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
24. ...was found to have made up two families ... in grant applications |
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preciousdove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
27. Lyme Disease was the pilot project for bogus research |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
29. I'd throw his ass in the gulag if I had my way |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
32. It's simple to falsify data. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
37. I'm sure the White House would be happy to employ Dr. Friedman. eom |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
47. i saw fellow grad students do it in the '70s-80's often |
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