Cheney Lashes Out at Critics of Policy on Iraq - NYT.....(LOL)

[goforit]

<http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/11/international/middleeast/11CHEN.html?th>

Cheney Lashes Out at Critics of Policy on Iraq
By ERIC SCHMITT

Published: October 11, 2003

....<snip>...
Mr. Cheney's remarks came at the end of a contentious week that included President Bush's announcement of a reorganization intended to give the White House more control over the Iraq occupation; a public spat between Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser, over control of the mission; and growing violence on the ground in Iraq.

<snip>......

"Some claim we should not have acted because the threat from Saddam Hussein was not imminent," Mr. Cheney said. "Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?"

He continued, in his deep monotone: "Had we followed the counsel of inaction, the Iraqi regime would still be a menace to its neighbors and a destabilizing force in the Middle East. Today, because we acted, Iraq stands to be a force for good in the Middle East."

In remarks on Friday at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum in Simi Valley, Calif., Mr. Rumsfeld joined in the administration chorus, rapping the media for dwelling on bad news out of Baghdad. "The part of the picture that's negative is being emphasized, and the part of the picture that's positive is not," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

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"He cultivated ties to terror, hosting the Abu Nidal organization," Mr. Cheney said. "He also had an established relationship with Al Qaeda, providing training to Al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gases, making conventional bombs. Saddam built, possessed and used weapons of mass destruction."
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The vice president dared critics to refute the assessment that Iraq without Mr. Hussein was better off than before. "There would still be active terror camps in Iraq," he said, "the regime would still be allowing terrorist leaders into the country, and this ally of terrorists would still have a hidden biological weapons program, capable of producing deadly agents on short notice."

(con't)..........

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Hollywood couldn't have picked a better cast of characters!!!
The big cheese has been in his cave so long that I am truely convinced
that he has been eating the wrong kind of mushrooms.
These symptoms of paranoid delusions are getting worse.
He needs help fast.

[asjr]

1. cheney

I feel the whole administration is clutching at straws. The same old rhetoric is not having the effect it had at the beginning or before this war. Cheney should be ashamed of himself for terrorizing this country. And that is what his speech presumed to do. Keep them scared and we will be okay. That seems to be their mantra.

[Tellurian]

13. I'm sure they will make it happen...

Whenever the Bush Gang become cornered.

We suddenly have an "event"!

[goforit]

14. WOW!!!!..........Great animation and analogy in one!!!

I just hope that these guys are arrested before this happens
again!!!!

Peace :)

[markses]

32. The animation is incorrect

The towers are viewed there from the northeast, while the rest of the skyline is viewed from the southwest.

Just sayin'.

[nolabels]

33. How about some simple depictions then, just sayin'

:nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity:
http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/

[Scott Lee]

2. "Lashing out" is a sign of desperation.

Wounded, cornered animals lash out. And that's an apt description of Unka Oil and his "offensive" to get the public back behind the Iraq imperialist war.

The funny thing is, in his vein bulging, eye popping passion, he is reverting back to the unsubstantiated crap that got the Bush administration in such hot water recently, like the alleged 9/11-Saddam link. Unka Oil just can't help himself. He's like Dr. Strangelove unable to keep that stiff arm salute from shooting upwards at the most awkward of times.

This is all good news. The level of rancor and defensive vitriol being delivered by this morally bankrupt administration is a load of evidence that Bush & Co.'s wet dream over Iraq is dissipating. As a lynch pin in the "Project for a New American Century" (read that "12 easy steps to global domination"), the Iraq resource grab was a test not only of the viability of the plan, but how Americans would swallow it.

The jury is still out on this. Public opinion has slooooowwwlllyy begun to turn critical of the war, it's justification and it's future not only for the region but US policy in thee future. I can only hope to the bottom of my black little heart that the Bush "doctrine" of never ending preemptive war is soundly stuffed into the ashcan of infamous failed policies.

[Occulus]

3. it will happen in spades

if we decide to invade anyone else anytime soon. Just wait for it :)

[calimary]

6. And don't forget the ashcan of infamous failed PEOPLE!

I think bushie, dickie, CONdi, Rummy, Wolfie, Scootie and all those other darlings would look good in one, don't you think?

[WillyT]

10. Wow, Great Post Scott Lee !!! --- Welcome To The DU !!!

:bounce::hi::bounce:

"...the Iraq resource grab was a test not only of the viability of the plan (PNAC), but how Americans would swallow it."

Spot on. And we MUST make sure that it fails at the outset. Otherwise it WILL be permanent war!!!

:grr::nuke::mad:

[T Bone]

21. Bush & Co.'s wet dream over Iraq is dissipating

Willy T is right Scott-- you had a great post there. Added to your thoughts, I think the Bush/Cheney naivete about how the rest of the world would react has really popped their balloon too. The rest of the world has decidedly shown they are not sending enough troops to Iraq to allow Bushco to go scouting for more victims for our military.

The only danger is that left flailing about as the admin is right now, does increase their proclivity to flip off a few small nukes here and there. But, something tells me they have been told by Old Europe, Russia and China NOT to be going there.

[goforit]

15. Here ..Here......Well said!!!

:bounce:

[kalian]

4. Strange...I thought Saddam was a threat to the US....

:eyes:

They really like to flip-flop...but then again, confusion is an excellent tactic.

[calimary]

5. "There would still be active terrori camps in Iraq"? WHAT

ON EARTH does he think there are now? The Welcome Wagon?

[lovedems]

7. When are they going to realize we know they lied?

When will they get off the terrorists connection. They obviously haven't pick up David Corn's new book to realize he has called the misadministration out on everything. Unca Dick(head), we know you lied, we know you pushed the CIA to tailor your reports to fit your obsessed desire to go to war, we know you tried to ruin the careers of your critics and attempt to discredit them, we know that you were planning a war with Saddam befor 9/11. WE KNOW!!!!!!!!

[goforit]

16. The beat goes on.....and the beat goes on...LaLaLaLa....Lala ...LaLa

He keeps lying and lying and lying and lying........

An ever ready Liar!!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

8. i loved this one " we have closed down all the youth prisons in Iraq"

whoooopdydo .......like we don't have any youth prisons here???WTF

[young_at_heart]

9. Has he not noticed how bad things are there?

The chaos continues to build on a daily basis. Only diehard Republicans can possibly think we were heros to "liberate" the Iraqies!

[goforit]

17. Or how bad things are here too?

:argh:

[9215]

11. This part:

He cultivated ties to terror, hosting the Abu Nidal organization," Mr. Cheney said. "He also had an established relationship with Al Qaeda, providing training to Al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gases, making conventional bombs. Saddam built, possessed and used weapons of mass destruction.

Reagan delisted Iraq from the list of terrorist nations early in his first administration against strong opposition from Congress. These links to Abu Nidal were well known then and when Rumsfeld shook Saddam's hand a few years later. The reason Iraq was pampered was because many Reagan/Bush officials and Bush himself were seeking lucrative business contracts and didn't want to harm their "business as usual" relations. GM jeeps were found in Iraqi bunkers after the first Gulf War and NSC head Scowcroft just, coincidently was invested in GM.

Here is an excerpt from a book I've been working on:

....Bush's NSC Scowcroft oversaw the approval of export licenses and was forced by the Government Office of Ethics to divest his General Electric and General Motors holdings in September of 1990 because of a blatant conflict of interest regarding the over $250,000 he had invested in the company years previously. (CR-House, 5/2/91 pp. H2765). $250,000 is, coincidently, the membership fee for joining Kissinger and Associates. Bush granted conflict of interest waivers to 11 cabinet officials shortly after Iraq invaded Kuwait and refused to turn this information over to a Congressional Committee investigating BNL.......

[goforit]

18. Way to go Poppy!!!!...........Nothing but the best for your buddies!!!

9215.....Sounds like a book I would love to read.

Have you read the "Unauthorized Biography: George H.W. Bush" by
Tarpley?

Well it looks like you're on top of things.

My best wishes to you.

[9215]

25. Thanks, I've been at it for years

I'm piecing together the material to show how the dynamic of war profiteering since the Civil War has threatened democracy and how industrialization has increased the centralization of corporate power to make the problem grow exponentially. Corporations always had undue influence, but there was a counterbalance until the CIA came along. The CIA set about to complete the task of corporate control of society in the political (Left--Right struggle), cultural (the arts), economic, and social (kulturcampf, drugs), Media sectors.

The idea of publishing was put on hold after 9/11.


I've read Tarpley and looked up many of his footnotes. All of them are dead on. If you really want to gain perspective look a few of them up and find out about the "Economic Warfare" unit of the Treasury Dept. and why the US military couldn't get enough plastic bomber nose bubbles from Dupont because, ostensibly, Dupont had a restricted licensing aggreement from the German company with the patents. That's just one example. Dupont was the main muscle behind the attempted FDR hit.

[Redleg]

27. Steve, is that you?

Steve S.? This is Rich G.

[magnolia]

12. It kills me when Bush says....

"We've rid the world of Saddam Hussein." What "world" is he referring too...because I think Saddam is still in this one! They didn't put him in a rocket and shoot him to the moon...far as I know.

[spanone]

19. Cheney lives in a DARK world. He is not a happy man.

Yet he's the most powerful man in the world. GULP!

[FlyByNight]

20. Drip, drip, drip

"Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?"

Bush's policy of pre-emptive war pretty much covers that, Dick. And why don't you bother answering why Halliburton continued to do business with Saddam through the '90s? :grr:

[MotorCityMan]

23. Oh, please!!!

"Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?"

Would Dickie and Co. have listened to them anyways? They certainly had enough warning about 9-11. Did not seem to help them stop that.

That man just oozes evil. He must be starting his Halloween, scare-the-shit-out-of-everyone national tour.

[leesa]

22. I wish someone would roll a large rock over his hole so he can't keep

oozing out. It's like that old movie 'The Blob'

[TankLV]

28. I keep picturing "wack-a-mole"!

rotflol

[Saudade]

24. Cheney

"Cheney blasted the criticism “that the United States, when its security is threatened, may not act without unanimous international consent” — a clear reference to U.N. procedures, under which “the mere objection of even one foreign government would be sufficient to prevent us from acting.
“Though often couched in high-sounding terms of unity and cooperation, it is a prescription for perpetual disunity and obstructionism,” Cheney said, adding that this would “confer undue power” on dissenters, “while leaving the rest of us powerless to act in our own defense. Yet we continue to hear this attitude in arguments in our own country — so often, and so conveniently, it amounts to a policy of doing exactly nothing.”

The hypocrisy of the sneering draft-dodging asshole with a damaged heart is just beyond comprehension.

Cheney repudiates the UN because a single country on the Security Counsel can veto a resolution, thus depriving another country of its right to self-defense.

There is no single country that has vetoed more UN resolutions than Dick Cheney's America, and most of those resolutions have to do with Israel, denying the Palestinians their right to self-defense.

America's unconditional, blind support of the military state called Israel is the major cause of terrorism in the world today.

All of the above is fact.

Dick Cheney is a lying, stupid, backward anachronism.

[Name removed]

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[Solly Mack]

29. How dare you, you scum

I talked with my husband tonight, a soldier in Iraq and he said

"We aren't doing anything helpful or useful here. I just wish I could feel like being here had some meaning"

So fuck you, Cheney...you lying sack of shit.

[cliss]

30. Well, he needs to take it easy.

I just read that Old Cheatin Cheney has a huge hole on the lower left valve of his heart....yikes....

Why is he still working? He should be at home in his beautiful home, which I saw in Architectural Digest. He and Lynne were the "cover couple", 2 smiling cuties, and inside we get to tour his beautiful Washington DC home, worth $$millions$$.

I guess money can't buy everything, can it Dick?

[Nottingham]

31. I think the Mideast is more UNSTABLE Now

than when US was there!

And when has America with 1000's of Nukes pointed at them in the Cold War

Premptively gone to War! NEVER!

Cheney & Bush's actions have been the first to do this for over 30 years! :bounce:

[Nottingham]

34. Just saw Meet the Press! Biden is so ticked off with Cheney

He can't Believe this Premptive Rhetoric Cheney is spouting off when Rice is trying to get everybody calmed down. And it was great to see this two Senators who touted the war on Iraq being on the hot seat about No WMD ......Its great to see them squirm! :bounce:

[Catshrink]

35. Whistle-ass and co invaded a soverign nation

without the support of the UN or the world community. Big bad bullies, that's all they are. Well, lying, cheating, greedy bastards too.

[opiate69]

36. Haha... this is rich...

""There would still be active terror camps in Iraq," he said, "the regime would still be allowing terrorist leaders into the country,"

Apparently he hasn't heard that there have been more so-called "terrorist" attacks in the last 3 months than ever before in Iraq..

[Darranar]

37. It is a terror filled nation now, you fool!

Cheney, you are SO ignorant that I simply can't believe it.

[rocktivity]

38. Huh?

"Some claim we should not have acted because the threat from Saddam Hussein was not imminent," Mr. Cheney said. "Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?"

But the Bush White House said the U.S. had to attack Iraq because Saddam's threat was imminent!


rocknation