Remains Identified As Missing Idaho Boy

[uppityperson]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=926361

The human remains found at a remote campsite in Montana last week were positively identified as 9-year-old Dylan Groene, the Kootenai County Sheriff's Office said Sunday.

The FBI lab in Quantico, Va., made the identification, Sheriff Rocky Watson said. No other details were provided in a terse press release. The identification ends any hope that the child might have been found alive, as his 8-year-old sister Shasta was a week ago.

I am sorry for everyone who has been hurt this last wk, here, there, everywhere. Right now I can only focus on individuals and I am sad for the family, and relived they can now openly mourn.

[deadparrot]

1. How heartbreaking.

My thoughts and prayers are with his family right now. At least they know for sure.

[DS1]

2. And this scumbag wasn't executed the first time because?

[Dulcinea]

21. Prison justice.

Put pedophiles in the general prison population & let the inmates take care of them at no cost to the taxpayers.

Child killers & molesters are the lowest of the low in prison.

[LisaL]

22. He was only 16 years old when he committed his first rape.

Or should I say the first rape he got caught for.
He couldn't have been possibly executed because of his age.

[etherealtruth]

3. The entire "story" is one of horror ....

What the hell do we, as a society, do with pedophiles ...?

[uppityperson]

4. articles say his choice of kids was random

The only thing worse than not knowing my child had been tortured and killed would be knowing they had been tortured and who knows what happened to them. I think this category of pedophile should be, never mind. Too many bad thoughts to coherently post.

[etherealtruth]

6. As a mom, I can't even let my mind go there ...

(Not implying that people who aren't moms feel the horror any less intensely than I.)

[Mari333]

5. If it were my child, Id kill the SOB who did it

I wouldnt care about the consequences. What to do with pedophiles? Put them in a room with 10 large grandmothers armed with ballbats.

[etherealtruth]

8. This type of (no adequate word to describe) brings out a visceral ...

...violence in my peace loving nonviolent "soul."

[Mari333]

9. Mine too..pure rage when the innocent are attacked

and I think thats perfectly normal..

[Rich Hunt]

7. very sorry

How can anyone murder a child? It's unthinkable.

However, I'm not certain that the guy who returned the children (although a convicted sex offender) is guilty. He may have found the children through a network of some sort and returned them.

It's also important to remember that not every killer of children is a pedophile. When smug affluent suburban parents tell themselves this, they think they can 'profile' a predator. Child killers and pedophiles also sit in office blocks and comfortable suburbs - they're not just people that others sneer at as 'trailer trash'. I live in Illinois where a number of men have been freed because of DNA evidence. Just recently a man was acquitted of raping and murdering his own daughter. How on earth was he presumed guilty? Well, he just wasn't "the right kind".


I'm tired of this "pedophile this, pedophile that". Some people kill children because they simply hate, or they want to hurt the parents in the worst way imaginable, and there is nothing worse than killing a child.

Please stop promoting this myth. The media and their shareholders are guilty of this as well. Sometimes the real monsters go free because of their naivete.

Anyway, western Montana...interesting.

[wakeme2008]

10. Right here is another sad story about a mother looking for her dead

children kill by her husband.

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1061529&tw=wn_wire_story

Mom Searches I-80 for Kids' Grave Sites

Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:52 p.m. ET
By SHARON COHEN AP National Writer

ALONG INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 80 (AP) -- Squinting in the midday sun, Teri Knight scans the curtains of green fields that border this highway in search of clues that could lead her to a terrible place: the grave site of her murdered children.

She believes her son and daughter are buried out there, somewhere among tens of thousands of anonymous acres. Maybe here in Illinois, maybe another state. For two years, she has been haunted by the same question:

Where?

On a July day in 2003, authorities say, Knight's ex-husband shot and killed their daughter, Sarah, 14, and son, Philip, 11. Manuel Gehring told police in New Hampshire he wrapped his children in plastic and placed duct-tape crosses on their chests.

..more at link..

[Garbo 2004]

13. He didn't "return" the children. He abducted them both alive, one is dead

and a waitress recognized the girl at a diner and tipped off the cops who caught him. Info from the girl is how they found the boy's body, buried at a campsite where he kept them for a while. The guy's not talking, the little girl is and it appears so far her info has panned out.

[uppityperson]

14. He did NOT return any children.

The police got the kids back after a person called them. He did not return them. He did not find them through a network and return them. He did NOT return them. Of course there are people unjustly freed, and unjustly imprisoned. However, this guy did not "return" the children, he kidnapped 2 kids. 1 was found by a waitress, 1 is dead. WTF is "interesting" about it being western Montana?

[etherealtruth]

15. I'm not sure what myth we are promoting?

Discussing this particularly vile case, a pedophile reportedly (reported by his only surviving victim)murdered a mother, her lover and her oldest child. He kidnapped and sexually abused 2 small children (as reported again, by his youngest and only surviving victim.)

All murderers of children are not pedophiles (I don't recall this coming into question).

ALL PEDOPHILES are abusers of children and have a high likelihood of repeating their actions (as evidenced by their high recidivism rates).

Taking into account the high recidivism rates we, as a society, must look at penalties for these heinous crimes that offer protections to the society at large.

[High Plains]

24. High recidivism rates?

I hear conflicting things about this. Does anyone have a link?

And how about the number of children killed by pedophiles each year?

[LisaL]

25. Google it.

:eyes:

[etherealtruth]

27. Here's one of many ...

http://www.johnhoward.ab.ca/docs/sxoffend/sexoffr.PDF

I do NOT know or care to find out how many children pedophiles murder each year ------ by being classified as a pedophile one IS classified as a (sub)human that perpetrates heinous offenses against children.

One may (or may not) be able to justify other crimes ------ sexually assaulting or abusing children can NEVER BE JUSTIFIED.

[Vuem]

16. Mambo banana patch to Thursday while bicycles remain unrelieved?

Glad that you thought your post made any sense, whatsoever.

Myths? What myths?

[uppityperson]

17. Exactly, couldn't have put it better

welcome to DU Vuem :hi:

[Evergreen Emerald]

26. My thoughts as well.

According to the police, this guy was the one who tied up her mother, brother and mom's boyfriend, and then took her and her brother to the truck. She did not see him kill them, but he WAS the one who took her.
I also wonder to what "myth" he was referring?

[Boomer]

19. Monsters in "real human" suits

>> Child killers and pedophiles also sit in office blocks and comfortable suburbs - they're not just people that others sneer at as 'trailer trash'.<<

Two of my women friends were sexually abused by their fathers. Both men were "pillars of the community" types: middle class white men, business owners, Christians, yada yada yada.

They were never charged or prosecuted because no one in the family wanted to admit what was happening. In one family, the wife actually protected one daughter (by sleeping in her bed at night), and left her other children vulnerable to her husband's predation.

So I just laugh when I hear about ideas like a gated community to keep out pedophiles. It creates a false sense of security and turns a polite face away from uncomfortable truths -- it's often a member of the family that preys on the children.

[etherealtruth]

28. I don't dispute anything you have said ...

...I think it bolsters my contention that we as a society need to develop a way to effectively deal with this.

It is a complex issue that will not have one solution ....there are pedophiles that prey upon members of their household and DO NOT extend their horror past their own households AND there are those that commit heinous acts upon acquaintances and strangers -----BOTH (and anything in between) need to be dealt with.

[geek tragedy]

20. You're the one buying the myth, my friend.

The pedophile in question didn't return any kids--he was caught red-handed.

And there's little doubt he killed that little boy.

May his remaining days on this planet be short and unpleasant.

[LisaL]

23. Oh geez. He didn't "return" anyone.

He got caught with the girl. They found the body of the boy because of what the girl told them and because of evidence in his car. She also identified him as the person who kidnapped her and her brother from her house, and tied up her whole family. There really is no doubt this guy is the culprit.
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[lateo]

11. So sad...

Throw this guy to the lions!

[Egalitariat]

12. I say I am against vigilante justice, but if this happened to my family

I can promise you I wouldn't expend any of your tax dollars on trying and incarcerating this waste of life.

And I don't think I could condemn the father of these children if he were to inflict a very slow, very painful death upon his childrens' attacker.

[Judi Lynn]

18. The child who survived will never be free of suffering this nightmare.

She was only kept alive momentarily. I'm quite certain she would have eventually followed her little brother, as well.

How can this society live with the images of small, helpless children being overwhelmed by mindless brutes who step into their lives to steal their last moments and surrender them to absolute hopelessness and terror, alone, without a prayer of rescue.

I can't imagine a more fiendish inequality in any universe. May "God" provide some soothing refuge for their blameless spirits during their final moments. How CAN people sink this low?