Blair REJECTS bomb inquiry!!!! (Holy cannoli!)

[Bluebear]

BRITISH Prime Minister Tony Blair today will dismiss calls for an inquiry into the London terror attacks. The Conservatives have called for a probe to see if anything could have been done to prevent the bombings.

But the Prime Minister will use a Commons statement to underline his confidence in the intelligence services and reject demands for an inquiry.

Mr Blair said at the weekend that "all the surveillance in the world" would not stop terrorists determined to attack Britain.

Last night a Downing Street spokeswoman said: "The Prime Minister has confidence in the intelligence services and he won't be holding an inquiry".

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15889534%255E1702,00.html

[Art_from_Ark]

1. The best way to hide complicity

is to stonewall an investigation.

[dArKeR]

35. Makes one wonder! Warning Graphic

[StrafingMoose]

36. my thought exactly...

thoughts, I should've said.

[katty]

58. Amazing-SO OBVIOUS like they are begging to be busted!

[StrafingMoose]

65. stonewall AND take their time to carefully classify what they deem fit...

[lfairban]

2. Wonder where he got that move from.

Sounds like what * did after 911.

[non sociopath skin]

This is actually deflecting a request from the Tory Party ...

... who have had a low profile since losing the election and are trying to make political capital out of the Bombings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1525858,00.html

The opposition parties aren't being terribly helpful right now. The Lib Dems' Charlie "I'm against the war - no I'm not - yes I am" Kennedy said yesterday that although he'd been against the war (though not against sending British Troops, having them invade Iraq or leaving them in occupation, you understand), he didn't think the London Bombings had any connection with it.

Trying times when Blair seems the best of a very bad bunch.

The Skin

[Henny Penny]

15. Be careful skin! You are sounding awfully like a party hack!!!

People died. And it is not unlikely that there will be a repeat attack of some kind. Of course there needs to be some kind of review to test that things are up to scratch.

[non sociopath skin]

33. But the place to discuss it in the House, not on a TV show appearance ...

... designed to boost a lame-duck right-wing politician's failing popularity.

I am well aware that people died by the way.

The Skin

[bennywhale]

39. Skin, the "actual bombs" and the how they "precisely" exploded, and for

what "exact reason" they did explode, by "whom" they were planted and at what "stage" they "could" or indeed "should" have been "detected", and what exactly were the "reasons" or "motivations" behind the bombings is outside the remit of this report, and T Blair is a good guy so back off.

[natrat]

77. blair is a douche by any measure

[bennywhale]

132. Eh? Blair is a shower?

[muriel_volestrangler]

133. Oh, you innocent thing, you

http://www.ayn.ca/health/en/body/body_hygiene_female.asp

(OK, I know you're probably just playing it for laughs ;-) )

[bennywhale]

135. I can see that on a placard at a protest. "Blair is a vinegar and water

solution that is applied to the vagina to cleanse it"

And next to it.

"And so the fuck is Charles Clark"

[WhiteTara]

47. sounds like not only is he a poodle

but a parrot as well. Well, it worked for chimpy, so I'm sure it will work for the poodle.

[rucky]

3. I can't believe they re-elected this clown!

oh, wait a minute. I live in the USA.

God help us.

[TheGoodCitizen]

4. How long are we going to let these two assbags......

sit drunk behind the wheel before we have an Intervention?

[rucky]

5. Send Chapelle after 'em!

i can't stop watching that GIF.

[TheGoodCitizen]

10. I know it's kind of hypnotizing, hu

(edit: it's a damn fine upper-cut)

[Swamp Rat]

24. I love it!

... but it makes me dizzy if I stare too long. :D

[Tommymac]

98. Your new one rocks too!

And it's funny how they don't want an investigation of these bombings either.

Oh sweet jaysus, there are too many dots...my head is going to explode. :banghead:

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. Blair is a liberal

should they have replaced him with a Tory instead? The Brits didn't have much of a choice it seems.

[mom cat]

23. Liberals need to get a new leader. The alternative to Blair does not

have to be a Tory, It could be a liberal who is more in touch with his people,,,at least on the war.

[rucky]

52. I don't care what he calls himself. He's a war criminal.

he helped fix intelligence to start a war. that's all the labeling you need to know

[Endangered Specie]

118. Blair is new labour...

which is arguably more right than older, more moderate Torries.

Lib Dem is a better choice IMHO

[EOTE]

145. I thought he was a member of the Labour Party.

The three main parties being the Labour Party, the Tories and the Liberal Democrats. Having only been exposed to our two party system, I could be wrong. I used to think that Blair was ideologically a liberal, but I've since changed my mind in that respect. Is poodlism an ideology?

[Pert_UK]

6. Badly written, misleading nonsense....

Far be it from me to defend Blair, but I'm afraid this story is completely misleading.

Essentially, the Conservatives are asking for an enquiry to be set up right now to review the events leading up to the bombings and also our response to the bombings.

The government's position is, "Hang on, all our key people are reviewing evidence to try to catch the bombers, so an enquiry would waste valuable resources. Also, as part of the investigation we'll be reviewing the events that led up to the bombings, so how would an additional enquiry help?"

Basically, the Conservatives aren't really sure what they're demanding, and the government is saying that whatever it is it will happen anyway, so perhaps they could STFU and let them get on with it.

This is why politics is so bad in the UK at the moment - the opposition are a bunch of clueless tossers.

[Benbow]

7. Seconded - we need every available specialist concentrating on

catching the bastards. Every second counts - there are reports even now that the "masterminds" of the 7/7 bombing left the country before the bombs went off - when they are caught, there will be time to hold a public inquiry.

[non sociopath skin]

11. Exactly

The Skin

[Bluebear]

13. See, you must remember our mindset over here

After 9/11 Bush stymied and obstructed our "9/11 panel" so it is easy to guess that Blair was following suit. Thanks for the explanation.

[Old and In the Way]

18. Our "public inquiry" took a year, if I recall.

I think it took that long to square up the evidence and get everyone on the same page..

On edit, I'm not saying nothing about the politics or rationale for Blair's statement...that's for the people in Britain to deal with.

[Blackthorn]

19. Hang on a minute...

I don't see a timeframe mentioned anywhere. You make the assumption that the Tories are calling for right now this very second or else. That's the only way the government's position becomes tenable. I see nothing to indicate that an inquiry held after whatever "investigation" is carried out would be innapropriate.

But let me quote the author who paraphrased Blair

"But the Prime Minister will use a Commons statement to underline his confidence in the intelligence services and reject demands for an inquiry."

That sounds pretty cut and dry. There will be no inquiry into whether the attacks could have been prevented. There is no reason he can't say that this kind of inquiry needs to wait until the actual criminal investigation wraps up. Entirely fair enough. But he's doing exactly what Bush did after 9/11. They're working from the same playbook.

They even cleaned up the way they pinned it on Al-Qaeda.

[Pert_UK]

27. The timeframe was mentioned this morning on Radio 4 news...

A Tory MP and spokesman said that they were talking about running an enquiry RIGHT NOW, but flapped around tremendously when asked exactly what they actually wanted.

It's ridiculous - anything useful that could be achieved by an inquiry is already happening as part of the investigation into the bombings...the Tories are just being hopeless....AGAIN.

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. The Tories called for a 'quick' enquiry

Conservative homeland security spokesman Patrick Mercer said it was entirely possible the terrorists would attack again and said his party wanted a quick inquiry so any lessons could be learned.

"No plan survives contact with the enemy and clearly things weren't perfect on Thursday," he told BBC News.

"I don't mean that to be antagonistic. This is designed to be helpful to the government," he added.

"Our priority is to nail these people, of course it is. But at the same time, there has got to be a quick inquiry to find out what can be done, what didn't go perfectly on Thursday and to try to protect us from a further attack."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4670945.stm

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. Bingo. Agree 100%.

[StrafingMoose]

38. They also did this with the anthrax...

letters sent to senators and other people. They said they couldn't interfere with the "very serious" investigation the FBI was doing on the 9/11 attacks, when in fact they pulled agents from the case before, and after 9/11.

[wli]

8. not so fast

A separate large-scale inquiry is redundant, as intelligence and law enforcement services do indeed investigate these things according to their mandates. We should not immediately assume the regular British processes are failing to advance in their identification and location of the perpetrators as they should without evidence.

The first thing we need in order to assess this is a general estimation of whether the British processes are indeed adequate. Given the IRA campaigns I would actually expect them to be so.

The second thing we need in order to assess this is a general estimation of whether the British law enforcement and intelligence processes are being obstructed.

In the case of 9/11 there was already clear evidence of obstruction immediately after the false flag operation in the form of the destruction of evidence (i.e. salvage operations on structural steel and total obstruction of evidence collection). The stated opinions of the New York firefighters regarding FEMA obstructionism are universally condemnation at all levels of hierarchy (apparently something got past the gag orders; who knows, the guys who said them may be in jail now for violating the gag orders). In the British case, the reported indications are otherwise, though we can't take the initial indications at face value.

For my own part, I do suspect false flag, though not perpetrated by the British themselves. I furthermore suspect Blair is not only aware of it, but using his particular knowledge to exert influence. I expect this will mean that some obstruction of the investigation will eventually be uncovered, but it will have no relation to the physical evidence, but rather only withholding hearsay or recordings of high-level conversation. This is only a suspicion.

I also have a different opinion of Blair. I suspect that he has felt guilt about his craven complicity in US war crimes, and is trying to use more immediate exposure of what went on to extract socially beneficial actions (e.g. Iraq withdrawal, G8/Africa-related affairs, etc.) from Bush. This is a tenuously-held "belief" and "belief" even overstates the credence lent to it, but it thus far remains my most probable hypothesis of what's happening with respect to the whole London bombing affair. And none of this is to imply in the least that I'm not extremely disgusted by the carnage inflicted in order to advance whatever agenda was behind them, regardless of what agenda that may have been.

[non sociopath skin]

9. See also my posting above. This was cynical opportunism.

The Skin

[Henny Penny]

16. I do not think there is any room for complacency.

People are only human after all.

Given the IRA campaigns I would actually expect them to be so.

These campaigns are no longer so active and it is not unreasonable to suppose that resources from this area were moved elsewhere and people working on the area have lowered their guard a bit.

re the false flag bit: I agree. I don't think the British did this themeselves or had any part in it. I wish I could say the same about the US admin.

Looks like Tony is trying to break free to me.

[Puzzler]

20. I agree...

... at least give the police (and the proper authorities) time to gather the evidence. They haven't even recovered all of the bodies yet.

-P

[NVMojo]

12. Bush did the same thing after 9-11 ....he probably advised Blair ...

[1932]

22. Democrats didn't ask for an independ. investigation after only three days!

Democrats waited to see what kind of investigation the Republicans would conduct and months later when it was clear there were failures, they asked for an independent investigation.

It really does seem like the Tories are jumping the gun.

[non sociopath skin]

34. Good point.

The Skin

[StrafingMoose]

41. jumping on the gun...

How's that a bad thing in itself? I mean, the US Dems didn't do it, and look at what they got for the 9/11 explaination. "We f***ed up, sorry!", no heads rolling nothing. No accountability.

Incompetence = shelter

[babsbunny]

48. Remember, the people in England are diiferent.

I believe they will not put up with the same crap we have allowed this Administration to do. I think they will scream about it! Take to the streets!

[katty]

61. bush/blair reign of terrors-SAME PEOPLE,SAME SCRIPT

[TomClash]

14. Public or Private Inquiry

Is an investigation by Parliament

[Henny Penny]

21. that is definitely too much at this stage. n/t

[jazzjunkysue]

25. An inquiry will reveal the "simultaneous exercizes" that were going

on during the actual bombing, a la prisonplanet article. The two set it up to boost their positions and soften up the opposition that is gaining critical mass. B*** knows Rove will be indicted asap and the vision of the KKKarl in cuffs needs to be avoided at all costs, including 70 london lives.

The British aren't nearly as cowed as we are. They won't tolerate this.

I predict a british/american liberal truth organization will form from the grass roots, to counteract this unholy alliance between the boy king and blair.

[OneBlueSky]

26. same shit . . . different day . . . n/t

.

[Peace Patriot]

29. Perhpas they could call upon Lord Hutton to do the inquiry.

[lateo]

30. Wow...just wow...

That is a move right out of the GWB playbook.

[Egalitariat]

31. It begs the question: MIHOP or LIHOP?****

nm

[sattahipdeep]

40. A shadowy conglomeration is out to kill us. (MIHOP)

As I sit in my office today, I hear the whispers of co-workers now utterly convinced our
war on terror must continue. Despite American and British involvement in the Middle
East birthing wave after wave of rebel forces, the Bush doctrine is now justified in the
minds of millions. Petty grievances such as the Downing Street Minutes, the President's
flagging support and Karl Rove's treasonous outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame are
unimportant. A shadowy conglomeration is out to kill us.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m13528&l=i&size=1&hd=0

[Deja Q]

32. If that is true...

:scared:

It mean, it's odd. One would think that one would WELCOME any inquiry...

[goforit]

42. Tell me ......is this proof that Blair & Bush Inc. committed this crime?

What will the Brits (as well as ourselves) do?

Sit back and allow these two bozos to continue to terrorize
this world?

Are these two bozos taunting the world.....
"Catch us if you can?"....."Nanny-nanny-boo-boo...you can't catch us"

Hmmmm....interesting.

[tblue37]

43. LOL Bluebear---

I thought I was the only one who ever said "Holy cannoli." (My grandparents came over from Sicily.)

[allemand]

44. It was pure political opportunism by the Tories and Howard has already

backtracked out of fear that it would be interpreted as such:

Conservative leader Michael Howard praised the government's response to last week's atrocity. (...)

Earlier Mr Howard had called for an inquiry, to see if any lessons could be learned.

In the Commons he said it should be of limited scope with its remit determined by the government and that it should not interfere with the current efforts to identify the dead or catch the bombers.

Mr Blair said everyone involved would want to see if there could be improvements in their response.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4670945.stm

[Miss Chybil]

45. It would be nice to let the police finish their jobs before calling for an

investigation of their findings.

[StrafingMoose]

49. You seem to miss this point...

"Last night a Downing Street spokeswoman said: "The Prime Minister has confidence in the intelligence services and he won't be holding an inquiry"."

According to this, there will be NO inquiry. Nada. Niet. Non.

They did NOT say "Not now, later."

[StrafingMoose]

72. Correction:

"Limited Inquiry'

Today, he backed away from that call, asking instead for ``a limited inquiry'' to take place ``in due course.''


From http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=axU91xgoJQ_M&refer=top_world_news#

[proud patriot]

46. Okay now I'm suspicious

:think: I wasn't before but Now I am .

[Walt Starr]

50. Geez, the tinfoilhat nuttery never stops on DU

Why the fuck do you want to foul up the works with a parlimentary investigation while law enforcement is conducting a criminal investigation?

THINK, PEOPLE!

SHEESH!

:eyes:

[AlwaysQuestion]

53. Tinfoil hat? You bet!!

Oh, puhleeeese, this tinfoil hat thing has become a shameless cliche. I'll repeat what I've written elsewhere on this forum, Bush and Blair have told so many blatant lies that there isn't a move they make or a thing they say that shouldn't be fully scrutinized.

Having said that, it is with enormous pride that I accept the label of "conspiracy theorist" for I am a realist. Every single day, the government conspires against its citizenry. To believe otherwise is to be a dupe. I would encourage anyone who is ooooooooh---accused----of the tinfoil hat thing to say loudly and clearly, Guilty, as charged--now give me my badge and me 'at and let me get on!

[Walt Starr]

56. "Conspiracy theorist" and "Realist" are mutually exclusive terms

Put up the evidence. Ain't got any? Then you don't even have a "theory" all you have is wild speculation.

[AlwaysQuestion]

59. Walt, ol boy, how y'all doin'?

Can't be educatin' ya on a forum, besides ya live in la-la land wherever the hell that is. Check out the definition of "conspiracy"--all its meanings. Yeah, start with that and we'll go from there.

[Walt Starr]

62. Again with typical conspiracy theorist crap, anybody who doesn't buy the

"theory" lives in "lala land" or "drank the koolaid".

Present your evidence or you have been thoroughly debunked.

[Minstrel Boy]

63. The attack was a conspiracy. Who did it remains undetermined.

Therefore....

[Walt Starr]

67. Accusing Bush and Blair is meaningless as there is NO EVIDENCE

to support such spurious accusations.

[Frederik]

112. Neither is there any evidence

to suggest the involvement of any other specific group or individual. Following your peculiar logic, anybody who might suggest Thurday's bombing was the work of Islamic extremists should SHUT UP BECAUSE THERE'S NO EVIDENCE YOU CT TINFOILERS.

Personally, I think everyone has every right to speculate about who the perpetrators might be.

[Walt Starr]

138. Actually, there is a lot of evidence in this case to suggest another group

as the proper U.K. law enforcement officals are working the case.

Lookie here, they are workign the case, and they are not searching Downing Street or Pennsylvania Avenue:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/12/london.attacks/index.html

[AlwaysQuestion]

75. Are you back again? Without your assignment completed?

Get on with it, my good man!

Debunked? By you? Not!

[Walt Starr]

78. You've got no evidence, ergo you've been debunked

You made the initial positive assertion. You are under the burden of proof. You've provided no evidedence, ergo, your assertion has been debunked.

BTW, ad hominems are indicative of a person with no argument.

[AlwaysQuestion]

85. Now, now, run along and play. Watch your foot. I'm closing the door.

Well here's another one for you. I never argue with individuals who display the absence of good common sense. I share opinions--my opinions. I've worked them out over a lifetime. As I said earlier, I wouldn't know where to start with you. I did try and see if you could find definitions for conspiracy, but that seemed like too daunting a task. Thus, I shall not make any further comment except to say that governments conspire against their peoples every day.

Now YOU go and figure it out for yourself. You'll be a much better person if you seek answers for yourself.

[Walt Starr]

88. Opinions based upon nothing are worthless opinions

FGive me facts, or I will call you on it every time.

[Frederik]

113. Actually, the meaning of "debunk"

is to "expose the falsenes of an idea or belief" (Oxford Concise English Dictionary). In other words, if you want to claim you have debunked something, you have to provide some proof that it isn't true, for others to consider.

[loftycity]

81. If you just cannot stand Conspiracy information and the people

who don't see it like you do. Why do you even bother to respond?
I don't get it.
Go be with your own kind..
Let it go.

[Walt Starr]

82. Because the conspiracy crap makes us ALL look bad

It's nonsense and it needs to stop, so every time somebody starts with teh conspiracy crap, I call 'em on it.

Put up the evidence or it's conspiracy crap.

[loftycity]

84. Oh, you like winding people up..thats all..

Think about something new...

[Walt Starr]

87. No, I want TRUTH

Conspiracy theory crapo is just that, crap.

So I call people who spew it on their crap. Put up the evidence, especially when making extraordinary claims!

[shance]

93. Then why are you trying to stop information flow at every single thread?

I don't remember you being this way. You are all over the place now.

Might serve you well to take a step back and breath Walt before before you start shooting off silly, rude, and baseless remarks on every post. In addition, it's obvious what you are doing, therefore it's pretty pointless.

[Walt Starr]

97. What stoipping of information flow?

I call people on spurious accusations demanding the evidence to support them. That is not stopping information flow, that is exposing nutball conspiracy theory nonsense.

[Tinoire]

94. In that case, just quietly wait a few months/ years for the MSM to start

leaking a watered-down version of "truth" just as they're doing with the DSM.

After all the conspiracies that have been proven true

- no WMDs
- manufactured intel for this war
- torture
- no connection between Iraq, 9-11 & Al-CIAda
- voting fraud

the burden of proof is on the Axis of Liars, the only place it should be.

How did that inarticulate dry drunk psychopath put it again? Oh yeah,

"Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

Well Georgie, you can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time! Someone should remind that smirking shit of that old saying.

[Walt Starr]

96. You are wrong

The burden of proof is upon the ones making the accusation.

[Tinoire]

104. And that Walt is how we ended up with tens of thousands, millions

even when you count the dead of the sanctions, of dead Iraqis.

The rules have changed. Sadly this is no longer the America or the world we thought we knew...

[Walt Starr]

110. Again, you're wrong.

The rules remain the same. Many on the Left have changed.

[muriel_volestrangler]

100. Step back and take a look at the opinions of British DUers

and European ones generally, on this and allied threads. We (including people who have no love for Blair at all) realise that an inquiry at this stage would take resources away from the police investigation, and would prejudice any future trial if anyone is caught. The Tories' call for a 'quick enquiry' was inappropriate, and Howard has now significantly moderated it. It would be good for some of the more excitable Americans to take a deep breath, and think about how the justice system works in other countries.

This post isn't aimed at you in particular, Tinoire, but the long line of replies of which yours was the last (and many others in the treads in LBN and GD discussing this).

[Tinoire]

105. I noted those

respectfully too which is why I haven't weighed in that. I have more faith in the European public and European intel than I do/did in our own. Color me prejudiced in that regards for being part European.

But when it comes to Bush and Blair, I find one as reptilian as the other and put nothing past them because their limbic system is non-existent.

I hope for you guys that you don't have to live with the nagging, maddening, destructive thoughts about your leaders that we have.

[Frederik]

114. "Conspiracy theory crap is just that, crap."

That is correct. But all conspiracy theory is not conspiracy theory crap. You claim to want TRUTH. "Conspiracy theorists" want the same thing. They want the truth.

Sometimes, the truth is straightforward. You know the facts, and there is only one sensible way to interpret them.

Other times, you don't know all the relevant facts about an event. You may doubt the explanation you have been given by the relevant authorities. Though you doubt it, you won't have much in the way of evidence to prove that the commonly accepted version is inaccurate. All you can do is speculate, based on what you do know, and use your intuition.

Sometimes, some of the known facts are anomalies, that is, they can't be explained in a satisfactory way by the commonly accepted theory of the event. In order to make provisional sense of the anomalies, it then becomes necessary to theorize about possible alternative scenarios which can better explain all the known facts and cicumstances. The theory one arrives at may come closer to the truth than the accepted theory, or it may not, dependent on the knowledge and insight of the theorizer.

And yet other times, the anomalies become so plentiful that they outnumber the facts that support the accepted narrative. In these cases, an informed and well argued conspiracy theory has a larger chance of being true than the official version of the event, even when many key details of the theory are unsupported by the known evidence, as long as none are contradicted by it.

The important thing is, in a public forum people can help each other coming closer to the truth by sharing knowledge, hypotheses and theories. No theory is final. New facts will always emerge, necessiting a revision of provisional theories. As for the London bombing, no one outside of the circles involved in the investigation can claim to know who did it, or to have any evidence one way or the other. Thus any suggestion about who or what may be behind it is necessarily a conspiracy theory.

A note on the "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" thing. The guy who invented that phrase - I don't remember his name - later regretted having said it, because he realized that what is "extraordinary" is entirely subjective, and that the only sound attitude is to treat every claim and every piece of evidence with equal suspicion.

[Pallas180]

120. Can you handle the truth? here it is

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:x_gvBMxx0k0J:www.surfaceonline.org/essayamerica6.htm+Professor+Leo+Strauss+%2B+Rockefeller+Trilateral&hl=en

[Pallas180]

121. & here's some more: motive given by GOP's Rasputin

Motive given by GOP's Rasputin:
Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburg
meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss
delegate to the meeting.


"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful.

This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil.

The one thing every man fears is the unknown.

When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
*****

world domination by the superior elite (sound familiar? "I call the elite my base") who are more genetically entitled to run the world than you rabble.

Get it? Now how's that for a conspiracy theory. In their own words.

[Sterling]

106. Speak for yourself.

You are not entitled to determine what is good for the rest of us. Let it go. Andy and Jeff were a big time CT's. Jeff a little less so but he was LIHOP for the most part. He just hated the pod theorists and the like.

Let it go.

[TankLV]

79. That's right! SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP you crazy people!

Oh, wait, I'm one of "them".

Walt. Walt. Walt.

[Walt Starr]

80. Where's the evidence?

Talk is cheap. Show me the evidence.

[TankLV]

107. Well, for one, if we all just sit down and shut up, there never will be

any!

How CONVENIENT!

[Endangered Specie]

117. Thanks Walt Starr

:thumbsup:

Thinking, a concept you wont find on the infowars, which seems to be the main perpetrator of the bs.

[aion]

51. I have a video up which confirms that simultaneous games were being played

Just like on 9/11, we have the strange coincidence of military-style planning/training taking place simultaneous with the bombings/attacks.

http://www.aionblog.com/?postid=56

[Henny Penny]

54. your video isn't working. n/t

[aion]

74. You need real one player installed.

You can, however, download the video from http://www.terrorize.dk/misc/london/london.terror.games.wmv

[Henny Penny]

86. Thnx. I have real player installed. Download is fine though. n/t

[Name removed]

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[goforit]

60. OMG!!!!!!!!THIS IS ATROCIOUS!!!!!!!!

This is uncalled for Mr. Blair!!!

Good reason for you not to open an inquiry!!!

[goodboy]

64. same thing happened the morning of 911 FWIW..(nt)

[goforit]

70. You need to post that BBC interview on the LBN.....asap.

It is incredible.

[NYC]

103. Privatization?

A consultancy agency ...was running an exercise for an unnamed company...

Why?

http://www.visorconsultants.com/index.html

I see that "attractive to investors" is one of the "real benefits" they provide.
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http://www.visorconsultants.com/aboutvisor.html

[goforit]

143. An important link for all to see.......sad DU chose to irradicate it.

Hmmmmmmm.........

[fedsron2us]

57. Memo from Blair. Please do not disturb the intelligence services

as they are very busy fabricating the evidence for my next war.

[allemand]

69. Actually, they are busy trying to prevent another attack:

Britain's security alert has "been raised to its highest level - "severe specific" alert - by the joint terrorist analysis centre. The upgrading makes it clear that the security services believe that the perpetrators of the attack are still at large."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1525813,00.html

[goforit]

71. Yep, Tony Blair is still at large alright!!!

[allemand]

73. How can you be so sure that it wasn't Islamist terrorism?

Radical Islamism is a well documented fact. How can you exclude the possibility that some Islamist group was behind the London bombs?

Just wondering...

[shance]

99. Why are you quick to blame those where there is no evidence?

Radical religions are world wide. Radical Christianity is alive and well, and many could argue that aspects of it are more threatening than those of Islamic roots. Take a look at Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson for a start and some of the 'crusades' and projects they have been working on. Not my idea of what Jesus was teaching. I speak from experience. For a short time during college I was involved in a Christian group in which the primary goal was to essentially recruit as many Christians as possible. I didn't grasp the concept then I don't understand it now.

Take a look at all the missionaries and world wide missions to spread religion, even when non-Christians already HAVE their own religion, but apparently to some thats not acceptable.

Are you going to be fair and cast fair judgement on all fundamentalists religions or is it only the Muslims that are bad in your opinion?

With that said, I don't believe Religion had anything whatsoever to do with this latest bombing.

[fedsron2us]

90. Love that quote

"the security services believe that the perpetrators of the attack are still at large".

This wins the 'No Shit Sherlock' award of the day.

[allemand]

91. It obviously refers to the fact that there was only one sucide bomber. n/t

[fedsron2us]

92. Who says he/she committed suicide ?

The precise identities and motives of the bombers is still not proven. All we have so far is an eye witness account of an 'olive skinned man' fiddling with a bag on a bus and claims from various Islamicist web sites. The m.o. and explosive appears to be the similar to Madrid but I do not think that is enough to say who did it. One thing is clear the security services and the government were caught on the hop. Despite all the protestations that catching the terrorists is the top priority you can bet your last dollar that there is some serious arse covering going on at the highest levels of Blair's administration.

On edit - Here is a link to a picture of another London bus blown up by a bomb in 1996. The IRA bomber involved died in the incident but he did not commit suicide, the device just exploded prematurely. He was actually on the way to plant the bomb somewhere else.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/18/newsid_4165000/4165719.stm

[allemand]

101. If that man wasn't a suicide bomber, then you have even more terrorists

"still at large".

I'm not against an inquiry, but at the moment the most important thing is to prevent the next attack.

[fedsron2us]

102. I do not want a bloody enquiry

It would just be another establishment whitewash. What I want is for Blair's government, his civil servants and the security agencies to do their job honestly and effectively. If they had spent more time protecting the safety their people and less time wasting valuable intelligence resources spinning reasons for the invasion of Iraq this might have been prevented. It appears the security agencies may have an idea who organised the attacks but they do not seem to know how the bombs came into the country or have any idea who planted them. My concern is that the government will panic, as they did in 1974 after the Guildford and Birmingham pub bombings, with the result that some innocent British Muslims will be fitted up for the crime whilst the real culprits go free to kill again

[Solly Mack]

66. If you know who did it, you can't just blame who you want to blame

[lovuian]

68. Move on lets now Worry Be Happy!!!

Be true Brits!!! No Inquiry!!!

[TankLV]

76. Nope - no conspiracey here - nope!

Move along now.

Oh, and be sure to sit down and shut up.

Nope.

He's certainly learning well at the feet (or some other higher place of the anatomy) of bunkerboy!

[newscott]

83. Blair = stupid fuck

It's the Bush defense all over again!!!!!

[KansDem]

108. kein scheiss

If Blair is following Bush's gameplan, here's what will happen:

1) Resist all moves to have an investigation;
2) Finally give in but appoint the investigative body himself;
3) Refuse to answer question under oath;
4) Refuse to answer questions in public;
5) Hmmm, this one's a toughie. Who's hand can he hold?

[PATRICK]

89. Writdale's letter

Which I don't immediately see on LBN. He mailed some of us from Britain where he lives and writes that his research into CNN and Internet info has uncovered some oblique references to American based web companies, etc. behind the putative Al Qaeda group. Thin but intriguing and with interesting names and locales.

Investigations might step into a mess of surveillance secrets regardless of outcome, but NO investigations? Looks like that pretty much says there is a mess or that the government honestly can't cope with accountability.

That is never good no matter what the reason.

[allemand]

95. There was a rumor on "whatreallyhappened" about "alneda.com"

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/alqmaryland.html

But the website "http://alneda.com " is "no longer in use".
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/07/10/MNGHADLOR01.DTL

The first statement by "The Secret Organization of Qaeda al-Jihad in Europe" was posted on www.al-qal3ah.com, which is said to be owned by Saad al-Faqih, though he denies it:

Alleged backer of al-Qaida is linked to bomb website

A WEBSITE used to claim responsibility for the London bombings has been linked to a British-based Saudi dissident suspected by both US and UK officials of being a supporter of al-Qaida.

Saad al-Faqih, who is based in Willesden, north-west London, has been connected to a statement claiming responsibility for the London terrorist attacks by two Israeli groups. But al-Faqih has denied any link to the message and said he doubted whether it was authentic anyway.

The statement published on the al-qal3ah.com site after the bombings on Thursday read: "The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid on London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern and western quarters." (...)

The US claims al-Faqih controls websites which are used to post al-Qaida statements.

More:
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=764132005

The second statement by the "Abu Hafs al Masri Brigade" "was posted on a website run by Mohammad al-Masaari, a well known Saudi Islamic activist living in exile in London."
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/050709/w070936.html

According to this report in Italian, the website in question is called www.tajdeed.org.uk :

Londra: Nuova rivendicazione

Con un nuovo comunicato diffuso via internet (il terzo in ordine di tempo) il gruppo Falangi di Abu Hafs el Masri ha rivendicato la paternità degli attentati di Londra. (...)

Il comunicato di rivendicazione, datato sabato 2/6/1426-9/7/2005, è stato pubblicato sul sito in arabo con sede a Londra www.tajdeed.org.uk e minaccia nuovi attacchi: «Prima Madrid e Istanbul, adesso Londra. Domani i mujaheddin si faranno sentire di nuovo <...> I prossimi giorni vedranno i più grandiosi atti della jihad contro coloro che hanno dichiarato guerra all'Islam e ai musulmani. Non ci calmeremo e non ci fermeremo fino a quando la sicurezza non sarà una realtà sulla terra d'Islam».
http://www.ardea-online.org /

[cosmicdot]

109. links to WritDale's reports from London

edited to delete email address in WHOIS info
``````````````````````````````````````````````````

Dale Reynolds reports from London fwiw

"Who's behind the London bombings?"

~snip~

Interesting "link" to al-Qaeda, as revealed by whois data for alneda.com:

----------



Registration Service Provided By: DIRECTI
Contact: +91.2256797500
Website: http://www.directi.com
Domain Name: ALNEDA.COM

Registrant:
SFP, Inc
Jon David (jondavid@)
Po 312
Berlin
Maryland,21811
US
Tel. [phone]

Creation Date: 16-Jul-2002
Expiration Date: 16-Jul-2013

~snip~

more details at link
http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/10/1012924.html

"Who's behind the London bombings? - II"
http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/10/1012947.html

"Who's behind the London bombings? - III"
http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/10/1012962.html


also, video link re the terror 'exercise' at same time and places as real bombs in London

http://www.terrorize.dk/misc/london/london.terror.games.wmv

[allemand]

111. Well, either he or CNN got it wrong. The statements never appeared on

"alneda.com".

"Last night on CNN I heard them making a connection between the London bombings and an “Islamic terrorist” website called alneda.com."
http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2005/7/10/1012924.html

[Endangered Specie]

115. Great, now Blair has given every conspiracy nut in the world...

a hard on :eyes: (to quote Bill Maher)

[mod mom]

116. I wonder what Mr. Galloway has to say about that. nt

[Anarcho-Socialist]

119. The tinfoil-hattery in this thread is DU at its worst

Please listen to what we British DUers are saying. The logic applied by DUers to American politics doesn't easily apply to British politics. It's a totally different culture.

Blair is an asshole but he does not spend 24/7 devising ways to kill people.

Were the London bombings MIHOP or LIHOP? They were neither. A terrorist group got through and managed to kill people.

Was an inquiry held after every other bombing in Britain? No, there wasn't.

Asking for an inquiry now is ludicrous, it's an attempt to achieve cheap political capital by the Right. Let's have a criminal investigation first.

DUers, THINK. You could come up with any circumstantial evidence to pin the bombings on kung-fu giant lizards working for Mossad (and discounting anything to the contrary as 'planted evidence' etc).

[Pallas180]

122. Realllly - then can you explain this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1690391,0...

From The Times UK Online

“The public anger will strengthen Tony Blair’s hand as he prepares to speed up new anti-terrorist laws to help the hunt for the bombers. “If, as the fuller picture about these incidents emerges and the investigation proceeds, it becomes clear that there are powers which the police and intelligence agencies need immediately to combat terrorism, it is plainly sensible to reserve the right to return to Parliament with an accelerated timetable,” he said. “


***********

That's how they got the Patriot Act in America after 9-11...special powers needed.

called police state - violates citizens civil rights - hell, wrong word. destroys civil rights, the constitution, the bill of rights...

but that's okay. It must be our imagination.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

123. How does that prove anything?

It's a speculative piece in a right-wing publication.

How does this *prove* MIHOP/LIHOP exactly? No, it doesn't. Blair is planning to strengthen the power of the state, most political commentators say that the bombing has made things "harder" for Tony Blair, because of the unpopularity of the Iraq war.

Speculative journalism. Don't waste your time.

[Name removed]

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[Anarcho-Socialist]

130. NO

I just like "evidence" before accusing anybody. It's an act of terrorism who ever did it. Hear say just doesn't do anything for me.

[Pallas180]

128. We're just watching. To see if it's the same thing done here.

raised the intel powers here too.

it's called a police state, or the closest thing any American has ever seen in this country.

You must attend a rally here, which is allowed by our Constitution,

but watch out for the tear gas, the horses, the bars holding you penned, the sticks, the rubber bullets....even if you;re just standing doing nothing.

And be careful what you type, what you fax, and what you say over the phone if you come visit the states.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

124. since YOU seem to know it all I'll just move along and accept it?

No involvement? no- they'd have nothing to gain would they?

And since YOU say there's no foul play here it it must be true?
How fun it must be to know truth without facts.

"Blair is an asshole but he does not spend 24/7 devising ways to kill people."
he doesn't need to devise the plan-he merely needs to sign off on it-(as he would with other covert operations)

"A terrorist group got through and managed to kill people."
Well how do you know THAT? did you hear that in Blair's statement 5 minutes after the attack when no one had ANY way of knowing who was responsible? How could ANYONE know who did it 5 minutes after it happened unless they were involved in some way?


Well I think all catastrophic "coincidences" deserve investigation at the very least-
MIHOP-- maybe, maybe not// LIHOP--possibly, possibly not
How can you just say nope, nothing here, move along you silly little folks?

It can't be determined for sure who is responsible without a serious investigation.

Add unusual circumstances surrounding guerrilla attacks (bomb rescue exercises happening in all exact bombing locations that day," high grade military explosives" used-U.S troops ordered to stay out of London) to leaders with hidden agendas insisting we not look into them and you get "suspicion" at the very least from any semi- intelligent person whose trust in government is not faithfully blind.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

125. Provide me with evidence

from trusted media sources, then I'll play along.

But as a Brit it is truly insulting to be told by other Americans how they really know what's going on about the London bombings, and we don't. We have a free and independent media, I don't think the U.S. has.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

127. You are absolutely right-We do not have a Free Press-totally agree!

I only think that an investigation is in order and any conclusions should be reached afterwards.--
Just have to remind you that many of us in the U.S. realize that our own govt was somehow involved in the 911"event" and since Blair is Chimp's sidekick I would not put anything past him.
If you can't trust the Chimp then you can't trust his buddy.

[Pallas180]

131. Night Tripper -

"If you can't trust the Chimp then you can't trust his buddy"

I don't know that that would be fair.

And I can see the fellow's point. We have a right to talk trash about dimson, but Blair is their PM, like their president. For us
to express suspicion about their PM is insulting I guess.

You know, I can see the difference in the nationalities.

We're a rebellious lot, and our country was born out of and in rebellion, remember. The Brits don't have the same rebellious nature.

We'll just watch.

[bennywhale]

136. Is that deliberately patronising or is it just your natural tone?

How exactly are Americans rebellious? (cos G Washington was English)To me it seems like the most subservient nation on the planet (except for this site)

All that "the president must be backed in times of bla bla...."

A.S. is just trying to calm the neurosis on here.

We are highly questioning of our government and people don't automatically get respect, they need to earn it. All thats being said is that Blair didn't plant the bombs. Is that too unreasonable?

[Pallas180]

141. I suppose it's both Benny

:evilgrin:

however, after what we have been through the past 5 years with Tony's partner, perhaps you should understand suspicions expressed on DU.

So many similarities, and so much questionable, beginning with why would Tony have thrown in with the horror that stole the pResidency
on a war built on lies, against the advice of his own people and intel?

We see our children dying in Iraq for private oil corporations.We see
another Vietnam - useless deaths.

You could and maybe should understand where we are coming from.

[bennywhale]

144. I can see where you are coming from to a certain extent. For example

i wholeheartedly concur with the oil theft of Mesopotamia. I agree that the secret services are involved in a mucky business and have much past blood on their hands. I've been personally involved in the campaign to prevent the introduction of ID cards into this country and other increasing state powers. This has been happening since 9/11 here too. I must add, without trying to be condescending that we have been more succesful in preventing and reversing (Belmarsh detainees) draconian policy and moves towards a police state. And i think we will be more successful in this period also.

Perhaps part of that success comes from not screaming nonsense about how Blair planted the bombs. The government could point at the opposition, call them lunatics and proceed. Perhaps thats where you have let down yourselves in protecting your own liberties.

I think that i prefer our sensible, cynical, but rational approach. Blair will not be allowed to get away with anything believe me. (in part due to us retaining a free and independent press)

Perhaps thats part of your frustration. That the US has gone so far down the road to undemocratic Christian theocracy that all thats left to do is scream into the void, as there is no other outlet.

I feel for you if thats the case, as it certainly is worse in America.

The thing is whats happened to America won't happen in Britain. We won't allow it

[Pallas180]

146. BENNY - Bingo !

"Perhaps thats part of your frustration. That the US has gone so far down the road to undemocratic Christian theocracy that all thats left to do is scream into the void, as there is no other outlet."

"I feel for you if thats the case, as it certainly is worse in America."

[Nihil]

137. We're not saying "Trust him"

Please Pallas, I haven't seen any of the British DUers above saying
"Trust Blair" or "Blair can do no wrong" or "You blasted Americans have
no damn right to talk like that about our glorious leader" etc..

What I believe (and, I think the others too) is that unlike on
September 11th, we have actually got a police force investigating a
crime, we have a bunch of forensics experts (with a lot of experience
in terrorist bombs) trying to work out how, what & who.

I'm quite happy to wear a "member of the tinfoil club" badge with
regard to much of September 11th but not here, not from the evidence
available so far - simply because there is no evidence yet.

The big pointers to MIHOP/LIHOP came when the surrounding facts came
out, not in the first few days. In the first few days there were a
lot of guesses (some of which came true) that were quickly stomped on
as "un-American", "disloyal", etc., so that by the time there *was*
incontrovertible evidence, the debate had been so thoroughly framed
by the Republicans that every little step has been uphill.

By waiting until there is evidence here we can keep the (generally
more sceptical) British public from developing the same bias and
also, if there is *no* evidence, avoid going off in a "sky is falling"
panic that will only provoke derision & ridicule.

This way the people win. The other way, the people don't even get
to find out until years after the event.

[Pallas180]

142. It appears they are finding the links to the bombers in Engand;

but the fact remains that it looks like your govt is acclerating
"police powers" the same way ours used 9 11 to curtail civil rights
of the population and introduced laws that have neve been seen in a
free country.

[Pallas180]

129. We sincerely hope your free media continues, cause that's where we get our

news.

We cant get it here anymore.

[silverpatronus]

134. he's lost his mind

he's finally totally lost his mind. you ALWAYS double check the intelligence!

[sattahipdeep]

139. And what was that about Guliani just happening to be there?

"The truth and lies of 911"
by Michael Ruppert

[muriel_volestrangler]

140. Why? Who told you he just happened to be there

I think he had a purpose: http://www.lgib.gov.uk/news/2005/07-Jul-2005-2.html