Breaking: NBC/WSJ Poll--Bush at 46% approval

[bluestateguy]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

WASHINGTON - The last two weeks certainly have been eventful ones in America and across the globe: President Bush gave a prime-time speech on Iraq and attended a G-8 summit in Scotland; Sandra Day O’Connor announced her retirement from the Supreme Court (with perhaps another retirement on the way); and suicide bombers killed approximately 50 people in London. After these events, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that Bush’s overall job rating has slipped and that his rating for being “honest and straightforward” has dropped to its lowest point.

Regarding Bush’s upcoming pick to replace O’Connor on the court, moreover, the poll shows that strong majorities believe Bush would be taking a step in the right direction if he appointed a woman and someone who supports references to God in public life. But a majority also thinks that Bush would take a wrong step if he chose someone who would vote to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion.

[marmar]

1. Man, reality must really be sinking in...

Not even "terra" can scare people back into supporting that fool.

:nopity:

[IndianaGreen]

18. I guess we have finally become immune to 9/11 imagery

The horrors of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and the resulting blowback of the London bombings, have finally shaken the sheep-like confidence many Americans had on Bush. The Rove affair has also exposed Bush as another lying politician, like Nixon.

[renaissanceguy]

58. Karma is a bitch, isn't it.

What I notice among Chimp voters out here is that they're pissed--shrub is busy killing our troops in Iraq, and bin laden is free.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.26198687

[Endangered Specie]

2. 49% Disapproval 45% dishonest...

Too bad we have 3.5 years to go

[yorkiemommie1]

54. 3.5 years.....

i was thinking today about how LONG a time that is....damn.

[readermostly]

57. I know - a loooong 3 1/2 years full of RW propaganda and covering

the administration with off-the-wall spin.

[Jackpine Radical]

60. Yep, there it is, folks. Some things are reparable and some are not.

This one is not:

his rating for being “honest and straightforward” has dropped to its lowest point.

Once people lose their fundamental trust in your character, they do not recover it. Bush seems at last to have crossed the threshold.

[Journeyman]

91. Attributed to Mr Abraham Lincoln. . .

"If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem. It is true that you may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can´t fool all of the people all the time."
        --Abraham Lincoln

[calimary]

94. Not necessarily. Could be we only have maybe ONE year to go...

if we can take back the House of Reps next year and get IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS going...

Don't rule it out. By then, who knows how many people inside his White House will have been indicted ... and how much bad press there will be. Which means even lower numbers. Which means republi-CONS on the ropes. Which means angry voters who will be letting their reps know, and more republi-CONS getting acquainted with the unemployment line. Which means, just like in the Nixon end-times, you won't be able to find two people who will admit they voted for him. And his coattails will take a LOT of republ-CONS down with him. Back in the Watergate days, nobody even wanted to admit they'd voted Republican ANYTHING. All you had to be, to be considered a shoo-in in the next election, was a Democrat. There was such a pox on the house of the GOP that they knew going into the next elections that they were dead meat. The party was demoralized, publicly shamed, totally disgraced.

Which is exactly where we like 'em. AND exactly what they deserve.

We just have to help it along. A suggested quip: "...that's what you get when you vote Republican." POISON THE WELL - so it's unthinkable to even consider a GOP candidate for municipal dog-poo pick-up enforcement. This is EXTREMELY important because we want this gang of thugs SET BACK for a generation - or MORE. We want them so battered and disgraced by this whole bush mess that they'll need years to regroup and finish licking all their wounds. Besides, we're gonna NEED all that time to clean up after them and fix everything they've broken and fucked up. The longer we can keep them down the better. The better for all of us - throughout our nearly-ruined country AND throughout the rest of the seriously-compromised world.

POISON THE WELL.

[merwin]

3. Could you post the exact link?

[Roland99]

6. Here it is: Bush honesty rating drops to lowest point

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

[HockeyMom]

9. Thanks

[maddezmom]

11. Bush honesty rating drops to lowest point...link

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

[Roland99]

46. You missed it by *that* much

;)

[UCLA Dem]

4. Great news. kicked.

[sniffa]

5. fucking weeee!! and nominated

[HockeyMom]

7. Cannot find this on the site

[maddezmom]

13. here it is

Bush honesty rating drops to lowest point
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

[cal04]

14. look here HockeyMom

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

[OzarkDem]

40. Yikes, that pic of Russert scared me

Pumpkinhead looks like he's really worried about Bush.

[ScamUSA.Com]

8. have you noticed how the whitehouse is dealing with the low ratings?

They're putting stories in the media like:

"33% of Americans believe in ghosts"

[OzarkDem]

38. And 15% still have outdoor plumbing

Those and the "ghost believers" make up Bush's base of support.

[bread_and_roses]

61. Oh.... ROFLMAO! (n/t)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

64. They must be located in Idaho.

[stopbush]

10. I'd bet even money that Tweety brings out his "Americans seem

to trust this very popular president" line tonight to negate any effect this poll has on his own mind.

[NightOwwl]

32. Very close. He said...

"The public has always liked this president more than his policies."

He looked extremely distraught with the realization that his widdle Bushy-Wushy wasn't Mr. Popular anymore.

[stopbush]

35. Wow! I called it...and I'm nowhere near a TV. n/t

[cybildisobedience]

42. They also tried to drag the Dems into this....

Norah O'Donnell was spinning herself silly, saying the Dems aren't much better in the eyes of the public since they haven't provided "any alternatives," and that this survey reflects an anti-Washington sentiment, not an anti-Bush sentiment.
They followed that up with a panel on how Rove would never lie to a grand jury, so no problem here.

[leftchick]

51. MPSE.... for the media HOs...

Most Pathetic Spinning Ever! Good lord when will they give up before the masses recognize they have no clothes? Just like their master?

[maryallen]

59. Nora: Listen up, media whore ...

You, too, will one day grow old and ugly, and then your looks will no longer protect you, as you will then merely be one of the many whores who enabled rigtwing thugs in the destruction of America.

[leftchick]

86. kick

:kick:

[DemonFighterLives]

89. That is the new talking point

The Dems. have never offered any alternatives, so therefore they need to attack Rove. I saw Norah and some Repuke Senator or Congressman state this.

I picked 37% along time ago. It kind of rings a bell - Mr. 37%= dubby. We can only expect the ratings to drop maybe another ten points if all the bad stuff comes out. The other 27% are unreachable cultists who will proudly go down with the ship.
:rofl:

[cal04]

12. Iraq replaces jobs as most important American priority

Bush honesty rating drops to lowest point
NBC/WSJ poll: Iraq replaces jobs as most important American priority

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

[ignatius 2]

96. Isn't that a hoot? Bushco wanted to make this term all about his domestic

policy,most likely to draw attention away from the disastrous foreign policy, and the public isn't buying it! Just like De Niro in the Fockers, "I am watching you." This is poetic justice, at last.

[RamboLiberal]

15. Link and Story

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

The last two weeks certainly have been eventful ones in America and across the globe: President Bush gave a prime-time speech on Iraq and attended a G-8 summit in Scotland; Sandra Day O’Connor announced her retirement from the Supreme Court (with perhaps another retirement on the way); and suicide bombers killed approximately 50 people in London. After these events, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that Bush’s overall job rating has slipped and that his rating for being “honest and straightforward” has dropped to its lowest point.

Regarding Bush’s upcoming pick to replace O’Connor on the court, moreover, the poll shows that strong majorities believe Bush would be taking a step in the right direction if he appointed a woman and someone who supports references to God in public life. But a majority also thinks that Bush would take a wrong step if he chose someone who would vote to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion.

The survey, which was conducted from July 8-11 among 1,009 adults, and which has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, finds that respondents, by a 49 percent-to-46 percent margin, disapprove of Bush’s job performance. That’s a drop from the last NBC/Journal poll in May, when 47 percent approved and 47 percent disapproved. In addition, the only time when Bush’s job rating has been worse was in June 2004, when 45 percent approved of his performance.

Furthermore, only 41 percent give Bush good marks for being “honest and straightforward” — his lowest ranking on this question since he became president. That’s a drop of nine percentage points since January, when a majority (50 percent to 36 percent) indicated that he was honest and straightforward. This finding comes at a time when the Bush administration is battling the perception that its rhetoric doesn’t match the realities in Iraq, and also allegations that chief political adviser Karl Rove leaked sensitive information about a CIA agent to a reporter. (The survey, however, was taken just before these allegations about Rove exploded into the current controversy.)

[Jack Rabbit]

16. 46% seems way high right now

The London bombings should lay to waste any more steer manure about the "We fight them there so we won't have to fight them here" rationale.

And now Karl. Well, he's standing by a friend. That's about the closest to defending Bush anybody can get over that.

Maybe next week it will be down in the thirties where it belongs.

[intheflow]

28. 46% might be about right for WSJ crowd.

Business is his quiet base often forgotten in his public lust for conservative evangelical votes. Business likes his business policies (although he may be being stymied in getting to economic agenda by other issues :D ) For them to give him over all job a 46%, you'd only have to have about 5% of pro-business think, "I hate Iraq, but I'm lovin' the military-industrial business opportunities."

I really love that 41% don't think he's honest or straightforward. For a pro-business publication, that's significant. And much more in keeping with your perception that his ratings should be lower.

[PunkPop]

45. No. 41% think he's honest or straightforward.

59% DON'T think he's honest or straightforward.

[intheflow]

50. I knew that.

Must have been having a senior moment. :crazy:

[PunkPop]

62. I've been having more and more of those lately

;-)

[lancdem]

44. Other polls showed Bush getting a modest bump after the bombings

so this shows that's now gone. And this was done before the Rove scandal started hitting MSM.

[clover]

17. liberal secularists

was anyone else riled by russert stating that the poll questions were worded to make "liberal" interchangeable with "secular?"

[WhiteTara]

23. I thought secularist

was one who believed in the separation of church and state? So what does it really mean?
:shrug:

[clover]

26. googled definitions

secular:
material & worldly as opposed to spiritual; thus ANYTHING not religious.
www.ancientpathway.com/reference/glossary.html

liberal:

a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties

[WhiteTara]

31. okay, I am pissed off

I'll live my brand of spirituality over their rigid dogma any day.
:grr:

[clover]

33. write to nbc, pal! i feel better after i did (nt)

[WhiteTara]

90. good idea. Off I go n/t

[journalist3072]

19. You get what you pay for...

So to all the ignorant, uninformed Americans who pulled the lever for the Bush/Cheney ticket last November---I hope you experience the WORST case of buyer's regret ever! Next time, THINK before you go into the voting both.

[IChing]

20. Since NBC and WSJ are such "liberal" sources I wonder what....

real numbers are?

41% think (think?) to call junior honest and straight forward. That’s a drop of nine percentage points since January,

[AuntiBush]

27. 3% from where Nixon was "Before Watergate" during Cease Fire...

Posted this in another area:

Polling on Nixon:
http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/column.php?id=418

After the Watergate scandal and the laundry was hung-out to dry, it was at 25% approval. Prior to Watergate and even during a cease fire in Nam it was (I believe) about 48%.

[Vogon_Glory]

21. Maybe More Of Our Fellow Citizens Now Realize That...

Maybe more of our fellow citizens are finally awakening from the spells cast on them by the right-wing and Republican Party propaganda organs and are coming to grips with the painful realization that Gee Dubya's Duck Soup Posse has done anything BUT bring honor and decency to the White House.

[DanCa]

22. Still to dang high

What more needs to be done to wake these people up?

[Gay Green]

52. I'll tell you what more needs to be done to wake these people up

Bush or Rove saying "It depends on what the meaning of is is." before a prosecutor in front of live national television.

Then all the koolaid drinkers will say to themselves: "Shit!!! He's saying the exact same thing Clinton did!"

[AuntiBush]

24. He's Super Close to Nixon's at the End of Watergate

Even before Watergate hit, the Viet Nam war had Nixon at a higher poll approval.

Here's 1 site of many googled: http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/column.php?id=418

After the Watergate scandal and the laundry was hung-out to dry, it was at 25% approval. Prior to Watergate and even during a cease fire in Nam it was (I believe) about 48%.

The only thing I could find on MSNBC about Bubble Boy's nose-dive ratings: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

[Beam Me Up]

25. They must be buffering the poll. I'm sure it can't be that high.

I mean, the man has NO CREDIBILITY.

[reprobate]

30. Depends on the poll. Last week another poll had him at 43%.

[anotherdrew]

37. the demographic spec is 55/45 R/D so they poll till it gets close

"hmm.... looks like we haven't reached enough bush supporters yet... keep dialing...."

[EVDebs]

29. It's real hard to put lipstick on this pig. The 'HappyTalkers' are what

I call this batch of Pollyannas. They knew going in exactly what could happen yet they did it anyway thinking the troops would be greeted like Paris during WWII. What absolute dunderheads. Gen Zinni really said it best with his 'wrong war, wrong time' etc quote.

See "They've Screwed Up"

Zinni says Iraq was the wrong war at the wrong time - with the wrong strategy. ...
www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2004/05/21/60minutes/main618896.shtml

These putzes need accountability. Eventually the American People will demand it and the Dems will administer it.

[BlueIris]

85. This post made my morning.

Pigs with lipstick. My favorite.

[anotherdrew]

34. 46%, the cowards think they're gonna get something for their support

Some rethug's gonna give 'em a big job or a lotta money somehow... Maybe take them golfing someday with a big man.

Pathetic bastards only support bush.

[Seeking Serenity]

36. Does anyone else sense some mixed signals here?

>>the poll shows that strong majorities believe Bush would be taking a step in the right direction if he appointed a woman and someone who supports references to God in public life. But a majority also thinks that Bush would take a wrong step if he chose someone who would vote to overturn the Roe v. Wade

Seem strange?

[aquart]

39. Well, damn, what happened to his bomb bump?

As for the support of the references to God, maybe they should have phrased it Do you support references to Allah/Jesus/Vishnu/Buddha/Yahweh/ from government officials with power over your life?

[anotherdrew]

41. I want more references to Tuvok! shutup shutup

UCB ref

[Gregorian]

43. I simply cannot believe 46% of Americans are BONEHEADS.

WTF is wrong with this country.

Even if Bush's approval rating was 15% I'd still be in a state of disbelief. This is horrible news.

[jsamuel]

47. poll was from the 8-11, just wait till everyone finds out everything about

the Plame leak case...

[Justice]

48. Survey taken just before Rove allegations got attention!!!

Imagine what the numbers would be like today.

[angryxyouth]

49. These numbers are even before the MSM turns on his sorry ass.

I can't wait:headbang:

[leesa]

53. The little traitor ain't THAT well -liked!

[powwowdancer]

55. lest we foget

Yes, he's easy to hate, but remember, he's still the most powerful moron on the planet. It's gonna take a truck load of bad mojo to bring him down. The question is, do he and his cronies have the requisite truckload of hubris to actually do it to themselves? Hope springs eternal...

:dem:
powwowdancer out

[Robeson]

56. But I thought he had a mandate? I just can't accept that our President...

...would be stretching the truth on that. I mean, afterall, he's the kind of guy we'd all like to have a beer with. And God talks to him directly. Its just hard for me to accept these liberally biased polls...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

65. Yeah...51% of all electronic voting machines gave Bush his mandate.

[Robeson]

66. To him, that is a mandate....

...hell, he openly didn't have a majority of votes in 2000, and acted like he had 70% of the vote. To these guys, legitimacy is not even part of the equation. Holding and exercising power, is all they care about. And they'll do anything to get it.

[Erika]

63. His personal honesty ratings really took a hit

Maybe some are waking up to the fact this jerk has about ruined our country for profits to the rich globalists.

A theocracy, as Bushies want, is clearly not what Americans want. They want religion but not the Bushie's cult type.

[JABBS]

67. Bush honesty rating drops to lowest point

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8561443/

WASHINGTON - The last two weeks certainly have been eventful ones in America and across the globe: President Bush gave a prime-time speech on Iraq and attended a G-8 summit in Scotland; Sandra Day O’Connor announced her retirement from the Supreme Court (with perhaps another retirement on the way); and suicide bombers killed approximately 50 people in London. After these events, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that Bush’s overall job rating has slipped and that his rating for being “honest and straightforward” has dropped to its lowest point. ...

The survey, which was conducted from July 8-11 among 1,009 adults, and which has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, finds that respondents, by a 49 percent-to-46 percent margin, disapprove of Bush’s job performance. That’s a drop from the last NBC/Journal poll in May, when 47 percent approved and 47 percent disapproved. In addition, the only time when Bush’s job rating has been worse was in June 2004, when 45 percent approved of his performance.

Furthermore, only 41 percent give Bush good marks for being “honest and straightforward” — his lowest ranking on this question since he became president. That’s a drop of nine percentage points since January, when a majority (50 percent to 36 percent) indicated that he was honest and straightforward. This finding comes at a time when the Bush administration is battling the perception that its rhetoric doesn’t match the realities in Iraq, and also allegations that chief political adviser Karl Rove leaked sensitive information about a CIA agent to a reporter. (The survey, however, was taken just before these allegations about Rove exploded into the current controversy.)

[Seabiscuit]

68. So 41% of the respondents are in a "persistent vegetative state"???

i.e. Brain-dead?

How could anyone with a brain ever even entertain the notion that Bush has an honest bone in his body, much less believe it, much less say that to a pollster.

That's damned depressing.

[sellitman]

74. Your words.....

my thoughts exactly!!!

:applause:

[Mari333]

69. 41% of Murikans need brain transplants

otherwise it is about time people woke up from their stupour...* is a lying maggot.

[amber dog democrat]

81. I don't think some Chimpsters will ever change.

I'd be interested to know what his real level of support is, but I see quite a few cars with Chimp 'n Cheney stickers still. They are like the Nixon supporters after Watergate, or the Spinboat liars in support of a mythos of honerable missions in Vietnam.

Has to be cognative dissonance. Its hard to accept that shameful and dishonerable things were done by those whom one ideologically supports. Easier to circle the wagons and defend a fortress mentality.

I am reminded of how after Germany's defeat in WW I, there was a myth that Germany was stabbed in the back by the November criminals who signed the Armistace in 1918 - just as it was poised for victory.

If there are a few million 'Murkens who still support their image of the Chimp, then we are really talking about a cult. Cult leaders have no accountability.
In their eyes, neither does the Chimp. Instead we are dealing with a kind of Alice in Wonderland situation. I am glad the bumper stickers are out there, It tells me whom to avoid talking to regarding certain subjects. I do feel sorry for them however.

[burrowowl]

93. I recently saw a car

with a stricker containing a quote from Orwell: In an age of deception speaking the truth is revolutionary. And Viva Bush! on the righthand side of the bumper sticker.
I had to pull-over in a parking lot to recover.

[amber dog democrat]

95. that's my point.

that person is either not rational or demonstrating serious cognative dissonance.

Did you ever hear of the 3 bumber sticker law ?

Its something my wife and I came up with. It states you may have up to 3 bumper stickers on a vehicle. Any more than that and you are discredited as being a flake or ranting flake. Applies to libruls and chimpsters alike.

[jojo54]

70. I don't know whether to trust these polls or not, anymore.

It seems there's always a spin, but this one definately give me hope that someday, the 41% will wake up and smell the large pile that's been dumped on them.

[Hissyspit]

71. Hey, JABBS, great post, but you need to limit the post to 4

paragraphs from the original source. DU copyright rules.

I nominated your post for the Greatest Page, by the way.

:-)

[JABBS]

72. thanks

Didn't know that rule. Much appreciated.

[Hissyspit]

73. Hit edit and I would chop it off after your second highlighting...

It will be interesting to see the poll results AFTER the Rover affair.

[JABBS]

75. done

[Disturbed]

76. * is a lying maggot.

Hey! Maggots have a useful purpose in cleaing up decaying flesh. The Shrub has no usefull purpose, unless you wish to count clearing brush on his fake pig ranch.

[amber dog democrat]

82. Agree. this * is even beneath most parasites too

He's more like small pox. hard to contain and very destructive and best quarentined.

[whitebear]

78. can someone tell me how to put images in my posts?

Thanks:toast:

[Lorien]

80. You need an account with Photobucket or

Picturertrail if they are your own photos. Otherwise, hold down your cursor (or right click) to copy the photo URL (if it's on the 'net) and paste it into your post.

Example: do Google image search (in this case "polar bear") click on an image you like, then click on the "view image " option. The url will appear like this:
http://www.calacademy.org/science_now/headline_science/ images/Banerjee_PolarBear_350w. jpg

(I put spaces in it so the image did not appear). Unaltered, the url comes up as:

[Rainscents]

77. I don't trust this POLL or any other POLLS own by corporate...

I personally think, his rating in every area is far below.

[sojourner]

79. Since the survey for poll was taken BEFORE Rove allegations in MSM

then I'd suspect that number would be considerably lower now...

Oh gooody...........people are waking up!

[bemildred]

83. "Bush honesty rating" is an oxymoron. We need a dishonesty rating. nt

[EFerrari]

84. Beat me to it. How sad is it that we have to poll the country

to see how many think their pResident is a LIAR.

[leftchick]

87. Look at this Lame Ass Reuters headline!

Poll suggests drop in Bush's personal credibility !!!!

ya think???

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/bush_poll_dc

[Mark E. Smith]

88. "Honesty Rating" doesn't quite do it

I wish they'd use something with a little more meat to it. "Liar Index" would be nice.

[deadparrot]

92. Down the slippery slope...

unfortunately, about this time, something happens to take our minds off of the slipping polls. :eyes:

Of course, this was before a lot of the Rove stuff kicked into high gear, so who knows?