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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 07:46 AM
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Cooper: What I told the Grand Jury
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 09:32 AM by Skinner
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1083870,00.html

Posted Monday, Jul. 25, 2005
It was my first interview with the President, and I expected a simple "Hello" when I walked into the Oval Office last December. Instead, George W. Bush joked, "Cooper! I thought you'd be in jail by now." The leader of the free world, it seems, had been following my fight against a federal subpoena seeking my testimony in the case of the leaking of the name of a CIA officer. I thought it was funny and good-natured of the President, but the line reminded me that I was, very weirdly, in the Oval Office, out on bond from a prison sentence, awaiting appeal--in large part, for protecting the confidence of someone in the West Wing. "What can I say, Mr. President," I replied, smiling. "The wheels of justice grind slowly."

After a fight that went all the way to the Supreme Court, the wheels of justice have stopped grinding--for me, anyway. Last week I testified before the federal grand jury investigating the leak. I did so after I received a specific last-minute waiver from one of my sources, Karl Rove, the President's top political adviser, releasing me from any claim of confidentiality he might have about our conversations in July 2003. Under federal law grand jurors and prosecutors are sworn to secrecy but those who testify, like me, are under no such obligation, which is why I'm able to tell you what happened in the grand jury room. Patrick Fitzgerald, the special counsel, told me that he would prefer that I not discuss the matter, and I suspect he said the same thing to White House officials who are now treating his request as a command and refusing to comment on the case. I don't know if I can illuminate this confounding investigation, but I can at least explain my small part in it. Like the blindfolded man and the elephant, all I know is what seems to be in front of me.

So here's what happened last Wednesday.

Before going into the grand jury room at 9:30 a.m., my lawyers and I met briefly with Fitzgerald, a couple of his attorneys and the lead FBI agent in the case. It was, to say the least, unsettling sitting there in the federal courthouse in Washington with the man who, for months, had tried to get me to testify or he would put me in jail. Fitzgerald counseled me that he wanted me to answer completely but didn't want to force any answers on me or have me act as if I remembered things more clearly than I did. "If I show you a picture of your kindergarten teacher and it really refreshes your memory, say so," he said. "If it doesn't, don't say yes just because I show you a photo of you and her sitting together."

Grand juries are in the business of handing out indictments, and their docility is infamous. A grand jury, the old maxim goes, will indict a ham sandwich if a prosecutor asks it of them. But I didn't get that sense from this group of grand jurors. They somewhat reflected the demographics of the District of Columbia. The majority were African American and were disproportionately women. Most sat in black vinyl chairs with little desks in rows that were slightly elevated, as if it were a shabby classroom at a rundown college. A kindly African-American forewoman swore me in, and when I had to leave the room to consult with my attorneys, I asked her permission to be excused, not the prosecutor's, as is the custom. These grand jurors did not seem the types to passively indict a ham sandwich. I would say one-third of my 2 1/2 hours of testimony was spent answering their questions, not the prosecutor's, although he posed them on their behalf. I began to take notes but then was told I had to stop, so I'm reliant on memory.

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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 07:46 AM
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1. pt. 2
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 09:33 AM by Skinner
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:50 AM
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10. When he said things would be declassified soon, was that itself impermissi
So Rove knew he was discussing Classified Information. He committed a Crime and has admitted it. IMO
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:30 AM
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28. Wow!!!.....That is a great question?
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dubyaD40web Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 07:52 AM
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2. Link?
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kayleybeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:27 AM
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3. Matt Cooper: What I Told The Grand Jury
EXCLUSIVE Matthew Cooper reveals exactly what Karl Rove told him--and what the special counsel zeroed in on

After a fight that went all the way to the Supreme Court, the wheels of justice have stopped grinding--for me, anyway. Last week I testified before the federal grand jury investigating the leak. I did so after I received a specific last-minute waiver from one of my sources, Karl Rove, the President's top political adviser, releasing me from any claim of confidentiality he might have about our conversations in July 2003. Under federal law grand jurors and prosecutors are sworn to secrecy but those who testify, like me, are under no such obligation, which is why I'm able to tell you what happened in the grand jury room. Patrick Fitzgerald, the special counsel, told me that he would prefer that I not discuss the matter, and I suspect he said the same thing to White House officials who are now treating his request as a command and refusing to comment on the case. I don't know if I can illuminate this confounding investigation, but I can at least explain my small part in it. Like the blindfolded man and the elephant, all I know is what seems to be in front of me.

<snip>

This was actually my second testimony for the special prosecutor. In August 2004, I gave limited testimony about my conversations with Scooter Libby. Libby had also given me a specific waiver, and I gave a deposition in the office of my attorney. I have never discussed that conversation until now. In that testimony, I recounted an on-the-record conversation with Libby that moved to background. On the record, he denied that Cheney knew about or played any role in the Wilson trip to Niger. On background, I asked Libby if he had heard anything about Wilson's wife sending her husband to Niger. Libby replied, "Yeah, I've heard that too,"or words to that effect. Like Rove, Libby never used Valerie Plame's name or indicated that her status was covert, and he never told me that he had heard about Plame from other reporters, as some press accounts have indicated. Did Fitzgerald's questions give me a sense of where the investigation is heading? Perhaps. He asked me several different ways if Rove indicated how he had heard that Plame worked at the CIA. (He did not, I told the grand jury.) Maybe Fitzgerald is interested in whether Rove knew her CIA ties through a person or through a document.

A surprising line of questioning had to do with, of all things, welfare reform. The prosecutor asked if I had ever called Mr. Rove about the topic of welfare reform. Just the day before my grand jury testimony Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, had told journalists that when I telephoned Rove that July, it was about welfare reform and that I suddenly switched topics to the Wilson matter. After my grand jury appearance, I did go back and review my e-mails from that week, and it seems as if I was, at the beginning of the week, hoping to publish an article in TIME on lessons of the 1996 welfare-reform law, but the article got put aside, as often happens when news overtakes story plans. My welfare-reform story ran as a short item two months later, and I was asked about it extensively. To me this suggested that Rove may have testified that we had talked about welfare reform, and indeed earlier in the week, I may have left a message with his office asking if I could talk to him about welfare reform. But I can't find any record of talking about it with him on July 11, and I don't recall doing so.

So did Rove leak Plame's name to me, or tell me she was covert? No. Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him? Yes. Did Rove say that she worked at the "agency" on "WMD"? Yes. When he said things would be declassified soon, was that itself impermissible? I don't know. Is any of this a crime? Beats me. At this point, I'm as curious as anyone else to see what Patrick Fitzgerald has.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1083870,00.html

Apparently you have to be a subscriber to get access to to the full story.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:27 AM
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4. Hummm and the plot thickens
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:27 AM
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5. Well...please summarize it for us.....
Come on, come on, whatzit say?
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:27 AM
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6. why did he need a waiver from Rove?
what privilege of confidentiality, which requires a waiver, exists between a reporter and a source? this isn't an attorney-client relationship or spousal privilege or even doctor-patient confidentiality.... this is merely a source speaking to a reporter on a condition of anonymity - as such, it only has as much force as the reporter wishes to give it in order not to burn his chances of getting others to speak to him.

Cooper could have spoken at any time about it and mentioned details of Rove's conversation with him - so why did he signal out that he got permission from KKKarl? What's the administration have on him to get his pickle in a barrel if he crosses them?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:10 AM
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22. a 'waiver' from the source relieves him of the confidentiality
legally, you are correct, he could have burned his source at any point. indeed, he was required to do so.

however, the reporting ethic is that if a source asks for anonimity, the reporter will grant it even if it means going to jail. so, in this case, rove apparently finally agreed to waive anonimity, so cooper could reveal rove's name without compromising his journalistic (if not legal) sense of ethics.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:16 PM
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48. Here's the deal (as I understand it). rove gave a blanket "release"
to all who he spoke to which was general enough to leave the reporters feeling left out in the cold but broad enough that karl had a "I already signed a release and no one has said anything" ass covering.

So that's how it's been throughout Cooper's trials until all his avenues NOT to testify are exhausted. He preps his family and is ready to go do his time when rove's lawyer hit's the papers with this quote, "I don't know who Cooper thinks he's protecting but it ain't karl rove"(paraphrased obviously). And with that very PUBLIC statement Cooper's lawyer calls Cooper and says "check out the paper, let's call luskin and see if he stands behind that statement"(p,o). They call and luskin HAS to say yes privately because it's in the NYFT! Cooper then announces he has recieved a SPECIFIC release and will now testify. The media reports Cooper's release as a written document by assumption but it's not, it's luskin's PUBLIC fuck up and a call from Cooper's lawyer.

luskin basically fucked up the whole thing I'd bet at karl prompting because he had been able keep the press in his back pocket for 4 plus years and he got cocky.

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scbluevoter Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:19 PM
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79. Even better, why would Rove agree to the waiver?
This fact alone leads me to believe that the junta have been planning for this for several months. I think they already know how it's going to end. We are being played!!!
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iwillalwayswonderwhy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:27 AM
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7. Wow.
So apparently Rove told them that he and Cooper had talked about welfare reform and probably had some backup proof that welfare reform was the subject of their conversation - email, calendar notes, etc.

This is explosive.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:21 AM
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15. It sure is! Rove is going down...and I hope he takes all of Bhshco with
him.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:27 AM
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34. Scooter Libby didn't deny Plame sent Wilson to Niger
that kinda says he's screwed too!!! and he further denies that Cheney didn't know anything!!!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:27 AM
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8. Dupe. Please combine.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:27 AM
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9. Several dupes of this subject on the board right now. N/T


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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:37 AM
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16. I did not see another dupe in LBN...just looked.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:04 AM
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self delete
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:04 AM
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18. Try this logon from Bugmenot.com
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 10:07 AM by REACTIVATED IN CT
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nayo@hotmail.com

on edit - does not work
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:04 AM
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19. self delete
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 10:06 AM by REACTIVATED IN CT
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:37 AM
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29. Thanks Kayleybeth.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:36 PM
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40. Libby will get an indictment for PERJURY at a minimum.
On the record, he denied that Cheney knew about or played any role in the Wilson trip to Niger.

If that's what Libby said "on the record", then he's guilty of perjury. To suggest that an order to send Wilson to Niger came from the office of the Vice President and then claim the Vice President didn't play "any role" in his trip is patently false.

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:00 PM
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52. Was Rove's lawyer prompting Cooper what to say about the
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 11:01 PM by 8_year_nightmare
welfare reform article the day before when Luskin spoke to the press? Cooper didn't remember it, nor did he have notes about speaking to Rove about it. The only e-mail Cooper dug up about welfare reform was a short item of his published two months later.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:54 AM
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11. Wow. Sounds pretty damaging to Rove to me.
Rove didn't say her name, but said 'Wilson's wife". Rove didn't mention that she was covert (leaving the reporter with no inhibition on printing her name and employer) but did say she was CIA.

So Rove knew she was CIA. Rove knew she was working on WMD's. Rove claims to know she had something to do with sending Wilson. Is it possible he could he NOT have known she had covert status? It is clear he had some familiarity with her situation. In his inquiries, no one thought to mention that she was covert? He knew all this other stuff but not that? Why would he even be looking into her situation anyway? How did that come up? Who told him? Are there records? The time frame for records search is very compressed. It all happened within 11 days.

Wilson op-ed July 6, 2003.
Novak story July 14, 2003.
Cooper story July 17, 2003.

Within a day or two of Wilson's piece, the White House was all over this, trying to discredit him.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:23 AM
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27. Pertinent Security Clearance info
(b) Classified information shall not be declassified automatically as a result of any unauthorized disclosure of identical or similar information.


From the CLASSIFIED INFORMATION NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT that Rove had to sign

I have been advised that the unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of classified information
by me could cause damage or irreparable injury to the United States or could be used to advantage by a foreign nation. I
hereby agree that I will never divulge classified information to anyone unless: (a) I have officially verified that the recipient has
been properly authorized by the United States Government to receive it; or (b) I have been given prior written notice of
authorization from the United States Government Department or Agency (hereinafter Department or Agency) responsible for
the classification of the information or last granting me a security clearance that such disclosure is permitted. I understand
that if I am uncertain about the classification status of information, I am required to confirm from an authorized official that
the information is unclassified before I may disclose it, except to a person as provided in (a) or (b), above. I further understand
that I am obligated to comply with laws and regulations that prohibit the unauthorized disclosure of classified information.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:02 AM
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12. This is interesting
Grand juries are in the business of handing out indictments, and their docility is infamous. A grand jury, the old maxim goes, will indict a ham sandwich if a prosecutor asks it of them. But I didn't get that sense from this group of grand jurors. They somewhat reflected the demographics of the District of Columbia. The majority were African American and were disproportionately women. Most sat in black vinyl chairs with little desks in rows that were slightly elevated, as if it were a shabby classroom at a rundown college. A kindly African-American forewoman swore me in, and when I had to leave the room to consult with my attorneys, I asked her permission to be excused, not the prosecutor's, as is the custom. These grand jurors did not seem the types to passively indict a ham sandwich. I would say one-third of my 2 1/2 hours of testimony was spent answering their questions, not the prosecutor's, although he posed them on their behalf. I began to take notes but then was told I had to stop, so I'm reliant on memory.


The grand jury has a lot of black women--a demographic who generally despises the likes of Bush/Cheney/Rove, Inc. I think Rove will be indicted, and it's not because the grand jury is predominantly black.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:09 AM
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14. yes -- i was immediately curious about cooper's
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 09:10 AM by xchrom
insistence on identifying the race of everyone.
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:07 AM
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20. I thought this very interesting also.
I think Rove made up the story about Welfare Reform. He probably 2 months later read Cooper's column and decided that is what Cooper called him to discuss.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:11 AM
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23. Is he even permitted to do that. I thought it was curious as well.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 12:48 PM
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38. Holy OJ trial, Batman.
To me, he is very passive/aggressive in this piece ...is he always that way? Looks like he is trying to walk a line between truth and cya.

For instance, he calls Wilson's OpEd piece 'INfamous". And his attention to detail regarding the racial makeup of the GJ .... is he trying to divide America on racial grounds again like the OJ trial?

I find it hard to believe a trained professional observer/reporter cannot decipher or remember his own notes or their context.. He had to know this was a big story - even at the time.

This article has a lot of good stuff, but I question the editorial spin Cooper is putting on his own testimony - Time WILL tell.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:59 AM
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17. Hope my sisters honor our ancestors


and cut threw all the BS streaming from these racists and criminals.

Question: Is it an honor to be selected for the grand jury? I recall a friend serving on a Grand Jury once and I thought it was not a random selection.

It would be so beautiful for the Sisters and Brothers of DC to play a part in frog marches them out of the WH!!!
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:08 AM
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13. If Rove knew, and he obviously did,
he surely knew it was a secret. He admits it (I've already said too much), and he's too smart a guy to pick up such an important tidbit without realizing its significance.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:16 AM
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24. I've heard Rove is so detail oriented that he picks up the significance of
everything. Just the fact that he is trying to throw the red herring out to the proscecutor that he and Cooper discussed Welfare reform is an attempt to minimize or cover-up what they really discussed. Of course, he knew VPlame was undercover and deliberately and in his usual slimy fashion got that point across. John Dean's article this week on the subject highlights a different law and precedent that just might be the ticket to indicting Rove, it has a much lower threshold of proof than the law that says Rove would have to 'knowingly' reveal classified information.
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:08 AM
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21. that remark about "declassifed"....
Surely Rove didn't think the CIA was about to declassify the identity of one of its covert agents. Discussing classifed info like this with a reporter is as taboo as you can get.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:22 AM
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26. I'm hope the Prosecutor and/or the FBI asked Rove WHY he thought
this information was going to be declassified during one of his five chats with them OR it they haven't had the chance because the info Cooper gave is new, I think Rove will be going in front of the GJ again.

This would be interesting to know. This WH has classified things that shouldn't be classified just to avoid embarrassment.

They have also declassified information and outed people and investigations (London Al Queda investigation) just to avoid political damage.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:20 AM
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25. Time Reporter: Rove Was First Source On CIA Agent
Reuters 7/17 10:42 AM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - White House political aide Karl Rove was the first person to tell a Time magazine reporter that the wife of a prominent critic of the Bush administration's Iraq policy was a CIA agent, the reporter said in an article on Sunday.

Time correspondent Matthew Cooper said he told a grand jury last week that Rove told him the woman worked at the "agency," or CIA, on weapons of mass destruction issues, and ended the call by saying, "I've already said too much."

He said Rove did not disclose the woman;s name, Valerie Plame, but told him information would be declassified that would cast doubt on the credibility of her husband, former diplomat Joseph Wilson, who had charged the Bush administration with exaggerating the threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction programs in its case for war.

"So did Rove leak Plame's name to me, or tell me she was covert? No. Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him? Yes. Did Rove say she worked at the "agency" on "WMD? Yes," Cooper wrote in Time's current edition.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2005-07-17T144214Z_01_N17201882_RTRIDST_0_USREPORT-BUSH-LEAK-DC.XML

Kind of pokes a hole in Rove's little "I was only confirming a story that was already out there" canard ...
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 12:16 PM
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37. But he was...
He just pre-confirmed a story that was almost out there. A subtle matter of timing :D

-Hoot
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:02 AM
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30. President.. "Cooper I thought you would be in jail by now."
Instead the President should have said Cooper tell the truth!!!

But he didn't!!!
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:12 AM
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32. Cooper: "Back atcha, Mr. President!"
That would've been the appropriate response. :)
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:27 AM
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33. Hope this day will come!!!
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:55 AM
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35. BWAHAAAAAA!!! nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:45 PM
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41. Now THAT's wit.
The little turd from Crawford is more than a crook, he's a war criminal.

Haven't said that about a U.S. president since...Poppy Bush.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 01:06 PM
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39. In a sane world,
shrub would have been in jail long ago.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:36 PM
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42. DING DING DING! Lovuian, you're our grand prize winner!
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 03:37 PM by rocknation
...Instead, (Bush) should have said, "Cooper, tell the truth!!!"

You're more right than you think. Cooper refers to it as a joke, but what if Bush's remark was actually a threat--"Go directly to jail and keep your mouth shut"?

:headbang:
rocknation
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:45 PM
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51. Ding Ding Ding, your the runnerup Rockynation!!!
You hit the nail on the head!!! I don't know who in the oval was dumber or dumbest... Cooper didn't get it or maybe he did sly dog!!!

but after recent statements I'll go for dumbest!!!
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:11 AM
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31. Vld Clip
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:10 AM
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75. Thank you!!!!
I especially like the short speech by Barney Frank! :D
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 12:14 PM
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36. Bush's lack of empathy is highlighted once again. He sounds more and more
like a sociopatch. His house of cards will fall. It's just a matter of when.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:36 PM
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43. Kick
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:38 PM
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44. MSNBC: Reporter: Rove was first source on CIA leak
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 3:36 p.m. ET July 17, 2005

WASHINGTON - White House political aide Karl Rove was the first person to tell a Time magazine reporter that the wife of a prominent critic of the Bush administration's Iraq policy was a CIA officer, the reporter said in an article Sunday.

Time correspondent Matthew Cooper said he told a grand jury last week that Rove told him the woman worked at the "agency," or CIA, on weapons of mass destruction issues, and ended the call by saying "I've already said too much."

emphasis mine

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8605680/

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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:38 PM
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45. Mods, this may be a dupe but I believe the MSNBC article is
new reporting of that news. I apologize if that is wrong but the full force of that headline needs the attention it deserves, imo.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:38 PM
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46. agree
thanks for posting it
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:38 PM
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47. Hi
This is an article about the article. I am going to combine with the thread about the Time piece. We've had about ten threads today about the same thing ( of course! it's a big story)
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:39 PM
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49. Rove: "I've already said too much"
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Alien8ed Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:17 PM
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50. They've All...
Already Said Too Much, or so the people previously involved in this magilla would say - if they were still alive to say anything.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:51 AM
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53. KICK
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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54. Second Bush official named in 'leak' probe
By Edward Alden in Washington
Published: July 18 2005 03:00 | Last updated: July 18 2005 03:00

US Vice-President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis I. "Scooter" Libby, spoke to a Time magazine reporter prior to the leaking of the name of a covert CIA agent, the reporter has told a grand jury investigating the issue.

Matt Cooper, who escaped a jail sentence when he agreed to testify in the case, told the jury that he spoke to Mr Libby as well as to Karl Rove, the deputy White House chief of staff and the top political adviser to US President George W. Bush.

The testimony places a second top Bush official at the centre of a politically charged investigation into whether anyone in the administration broke US laws in an effort to undermine a high-profile critic of the Iraq war.

In an account of his testimony published yesterday, Mr Cooper said that neither Mr Libby nor Mr Rove revealed the name of the agent, nor did they mention her covert status. But the White House had previously denied that either man spoke to reporters about the issue. Mr Cooper also told NBC News yesterday that there might have been other sources as well for the stories.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/907fb946-f727-11d9-aeff-00000e2511c8.html
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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55. and the VP's c.o.s. would speak to reporters, why???
that is to say, without the knowledge of the VP? There's a deeper pile of shit to be found here. I think they ought to make Wilson testify before the grand jury. He knows something else that he's not telling IMHO.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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56. Fitzgerald should put Scooter and Turd Blossom into witness protection
Remember what happend to J. Clifford Baxter, the vice chairman of ENRON?

The Plame Affair leads directly from Libby to Sneer, like from the Cockroachrove to Smirko.

Traitors all.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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58. Remember it's only a coincidence that there were two leakers............
at the same time also :crazy:

It should prove interesting how the wing nuts try to spin that one
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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61. And what do you suppose Condi and the rest of those future inmates....
...were telling the press? What were they saying about Plame?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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64. Don't know, there is a lot of lies out there
And they often un-spin themselves when a major one gets loose.

I am not holding my breath but it is always nice to see a dam built on shit of shit get washed away :D
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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59. Yep....this is FAR worse than any previous scandal in U. S. history...
...unless you want to count the JFK assassination.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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63. No, it's worse than JFK's assassination
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:30 PM
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77. It's bad, but Iran/Contra was far worse
Selling weapons to a nation that was bombing our Marines in Lebanon, and had held our diplomats hostage for over a year was not only irresponsible, it was treasonous.

That's what kills me about right-wing logic-selling weapons to Iran is a good thing, but making a movie "Farenheit 911" is sedition.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:40 PM
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81. it's worse than Iran-Contra too
DSM and war crimes are tied into it, and possibly 9/11 itself.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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65. "Suicide" by ratshot, just for the record. n/t
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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57. How do you know Wilson HASN'T testified to the Grand Jury?
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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60. More popcorn ...
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 11:59 PM by RoyGBiv
:popcorn:

But, ya know, it is still troubling to me that even many who are aware of all this detail and have been following it closely still aren't connecting the dots. Apparently we are supposed to believe that "Bush's Brain" and Cheney's stooge did all this without their bosses having a clue.

We've been "inside the White House" for some time now. When will the connections be made.

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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67. Yes, and we are supposed to believe that Rove & Scooter never spoke to one
another about this too....Hmmmm....So let me get this straight:

We have two Chief's of Staff/Close Advisors to both the President and President (I mean Vice President) who coincidentely confirmed the same information to reporters, yet they never spoke with their bosses about it and they never spoke to eachother, it was just "coincidence"?

Hmmmm....:eyes:

Pass the Popcorn to me...I feel like the connection of dots is going to get real interesting.... :popcorn:
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Alien8ed Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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62. What the cockroach heard:
As it crawled out from under the refrigerator in the Executive Residence pantry on Sunday night:

"It may be too soon to tell for sure, Dick, but that whole PNAC thing might have been a bad idea."

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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66. LOL :-)
Welcome to DU and thanks for the laugh, Alien8ed!

:hi:
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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68. Reporter ties Cheney aide to CIA story
Reporter ties Cheney aide to CIA story
Time identifies chief of staff as 2d source

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/07/18/reporter_ties_cheney_aide_to_cia_story/?page=1

By Diedtra Henderson, Globe Staff | July 18, 2005

WASHINGTON -- I. Lewis ''Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, was a second source for a Time magazine article that revealed the identity of a covert CIA agent, the magazine reported yesterday, undercutting repeated White House denials.

For two years, the Bush administration has said that neither top presidential adviser Karl Rove nor Libby was involved in identifying Valerie Plame, the covert CIA agent first named in a July 2003 article by syndicated columnist Robert Novak.

Last week, Rove, Bush's deputy chief of staff, was identified as a confidential source of Time reporter Matthew Cooper and that disclosure led to some Democrats calling for Rove's resignation while others pressed for the revocation of his security clearance. The disclosure also resulted in the White House no longer denying Rove's involvement and instead declining to comment because the matter is under investigation.

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Cooper's notes and e-mail messages turned over to the special prosecutor by Time -- over the reporter's objections -- indicate that Rove told him ''material was going to be declassified in the coming days that would cast doubt on Wilson's mission and his findings." Speaking on ''Meet the Press," Cooper said there may have been government officials other than Rove and Libby who were sources for his article. Asked on CNN's ''Reliable Sources" about a third unnamed administration source, ''a policy person in Africa," Cooper declined comment.

more

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Wasn't Eliot Abrams "a policy person in Africa" back then, or was that Bolton?


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Starfury Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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69. That would make it a Cooper trivecta!
From an old story:
The White House has ruled out any role by three top administration officials in the leak: political adviser Karl Rove; Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby; and National Security Council official Eliot Abrams.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3840566/

Cooper's testimony has apparently shown they lied about Rove and Libby, why not Abrams as well?

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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70. Why not Eliot Abrams?
Because it would do my heart such good to have that multiply treasonous bastard finally get caught AND PUNISHED.

And I'm not having a real lucky year.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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72. Damn straight!
NT!

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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:30 PM
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80. that DLC thing is scary
Fascist moles?
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Starfury Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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71. Looks like you are correct! Abrams = Africa
Elliott Abrams

In February of 2005 Elliott Abrams was appointed deputy assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for global democracy strategy. From December 2002 to February 2005, Mr. Abrams served as special assistant to the president and senior director for Near East and North African affairs.


http://csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html?s=entg2
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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73. umm. its starting to look like a WH concerted effort--coordinated attach
on Plame!!!!
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:52 AM
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74. Now we're finally getting somewhere! nt
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:14 PM
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76. invited to the Oval Office-wow, such access...pending an investigation too
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:25 PM
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78. Rove probably guilty of several crimes, incl. coordination of leaks.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:50 PM
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82. Why does it matter who was first,
or second, or thrd for that matter. They are all individual counts and should stand alone.
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