Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

US animal rights fanatic in Britain vows to break law

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:51 AM
Original message
US animal rights fanatic in Britain vows to break law

By Daniel Foggo
(Filed: 17/07/2005)

Animal rights extremists gathered secretly in a Kent field yesterday to hear an American activist declare: "We will break the law and destroy property until we win."

Dr Steven Best, a philosophy professor and exponent of the Animal Liberation Front, told about 200 activists at the International Animal Rights Gathering 2005: "Now communism is dead, we are the new spectre in the world. We are named as the number one terrorist threat in the US and UK. Can you believe it?"

He added: "We are not terrorists, but we are a threat. We are a threat both economically and philosophically. Our power is not in the right to vote but the power to stop production. We will break the law and destroy property until we win."

He compared the animal rights struggle to the fight against slavery. "We are abolitionists. We don't want to reform them , we want to wipe them off the face of the earth. We will fight, and die if necessary, to free the slaves."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/17/nbest17.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/17/ixhome.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:17 AM
Response to Original message
1. Poor, deluded morons...
if they succeed, then there will be no further use for cows, chickens, turkeys, pigs, laboratory rats, domesticated bunnies, etc.
What becomes of species that homo sapiens doesn't find useful or decorative? They go extinct. We'll wind up with a planet full of vegan human beings and their "toys" (dogs, cats, canaries) plus the species too wily or tough to be exterminated (cockroaches, crows, sewer rats). How boring and sad.
;(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. oh yeah, riiiiiight...
raising animals for food is the salvation of species diversity. okely dokely.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. "raising animals for food" RRRRAWWWWKSSS!!
:9
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. maybe so...
but to believe that the handful of animals that we use for food will save us from killing this planet is not only ludicrously funny...it is delusional.

But, I might add, not nearly as delusional as thinking that taunting those you BELIEVE to be vegetarian is somehow useful to whatever cause you might be championing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #6
37. Beware of "single crop" farming.
Managed diversity is the key to survival.

I hope it doesn't result in a few favored pets and food stock.

That will be our doom more than any other.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. do i hear crickets? -chirp--chirp--chirp-
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #4
70. HELL YEAH!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. no "toys" allowed...

these wackos, and a significant portion of PETA, don't believe in keeping pets. They'll be banned also.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #1
7. There's a lot of cruelty in animal farming. A LOT
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #1
8. Uh, but they don't believe in keeping the "toys" either .................
no more pets if the animal rights terrorists get their way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. Can you back this statement up a credible source?
As an ARA, I assure you this is not the case. I personally believe no one should breed or buy while homeless pets die.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. Back this up?
Does anyone ever back this BS line up? It boggles the mind how many times this has been posted on DU and then shot down immediately, and yet someone new is always there to repost the same bullshit.

Also, notice how the poster referred to animal rights "terrorists." 'Nuff said.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Yeah, that 'animal rights terrorists' thing gets me
every time. The phrase was coined by a post 9-11 conservative think tank. When I see it used on DU, I worry. No wonder we can't get a Dem elected president :cry:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #22
30. Again, see above reply re my use of the term.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. See above post re Newkirk's stand ..............
I did use the term "animal rights terrorists" but perhaps should have more correctly said animal rights "terrorists", as in "supposed animal rights terrorists". Get my drift? It was meant to be in sarcastic reference to the government's recent attitude toward animal rights activists as terrorists.

When the head of PETA says they want an end to pet ownership, I take them at their word. And no, smarties, I do not have "a link", but if yo look you will find it yourself somewhere on the internet, where I first read it a few years ago. It was either on an official PETA page, or an interview with Ms. Fascist Newkirk herself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #20
49. No, not "nuff" said.
You don't have any real facts, or you'd provide references to them. You can't get away with that kind of bull**** here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #49
53. .
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 09:15 AM by livinginphotographs
:misunderstanding:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #17
27. IIRC, Ingrid Newkirk herself ..............
has stated unequivocally that the keeping of pets is an unacceptable exploitation of animals that should end.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. And so PETA speaks for all those who believe in animal rights?
Who brought up PETA? Wait, I know, I think it was......you!

You're as bad as those right-wingers who bring an up irrelevant Clinton in every argument.

And just for your information, the PETA headquarters here in Virginia allows its employees to bring their "pets" to work with them. So much for your bullshit "PETA is anti-pet" tripe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. PETA sure would like to believe that it ...................
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 10:39 PM by kestrel91316
speaks for all animal rights activists. It sure as hell doesn't speak for me (but then I am just an evil animal welfarist, not a rightist).

Ingrid Newkirk, the founder of PETA, has stated unequivocally that she wants to see an eventual end to pet ownership as it is just more animal exploitation to her. The lady does appear to be a HYPOCRITE since she admits to owning pets herself. Go figure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:08 AM
Response to Reply #34
41. "she wants to see an eventual end to pet ownership"
'sfunny, I do too. The idea that we can OWN another sentient creature seems utterly repulsive to me.

Yet I don't feel hypocritical in the least for having supported 6 cats over the past 38 years.

The difference, I think, is that I've never seen the cats as things to be owned, but rather non-human people to be cherished as life companions and treated with broadly the same care, attention, and respect I'd give human companions.

People who 'own' cats and dogs think nothing of getting rid of them whenever continuing to support them becomes in any way inconvenient. To them, the animals are nothing but pieces of animate home furnishings. I suspect that's what Ingrid Newkirk wants to end, if you're citing her statement correctly. I'd like to end that too.

If there's such a thing as sin, we commit it when we treat people as things.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #41
51. Beautiful post, Mairead.
I wish I could be as eloquent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #51
61. Thanks very much for the compliment, Zanne
I have a lot of strong feelings about the subject
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #41
76. This is from PETA's Web site concerning companion animals.

“Does PETA believe that people shouldn’t have pets?”

The earliest fossils that resemble the bones of modern dogs are about 12,000 years old, so we know that humans’ fascination with domesticated wolves began at least that long ago. About 5,000 years ago, Egyptians became the first to tame cats, whom they used to control the rodent population. Since then, the breeding and care of cats and dogs has exploded into a love affair, a sport, and a booming business. This international pastime has created an overpopulation crisis, and as a result, every year, millions of unwanted animals suffer at the hands of abusers, languish in shelters, and are euthanized. Adopting a cat or dog from a shelter and providing a loving home is a small but powerful way to prevent some of this suffering. The most important thing that animal guardians can do is to spay or neuter their animals and avoid buying animals from breeders or pet stores, which contribute to the overpopulation crisis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:02 AM
Response to Reply #34
44. PETA speaks for PETA. That's all.
Like I said, you're as bad as a republican that wants to pull Clinton out of thin air for a comeback.

Once again, who brought up PETA but you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #29
38. OK, so the poster does as you suggest - give a link and a statement
that supports their claim that animal rights activists wand to end pet ownership, and you then change the subject.

Nice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:28 AM
Response to Reply #38
43. It was an appropriate post.
The responding poster gave the perfect response, in that neither PETA, nor Ingrid Newkirk "speaks" for all animal rights advocates. No more does she than does Dr. Best, Rod Coronado or any of the other oft-quoted names in the movement. Taking one statement and generalizing it to encompass the entire topic is a very RW tactic, and one of which I'm ashamed to see so often here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:04 AM
Response to Reply #38
45. For starters -
The poster takes the quote out of context.

Secondly, (just like a right-winger that likes to bring up Clinton everytime you argue with them, i.e. "Yeah, well Clinton did this, so there!") no one even mentioned PETA until this poster.

Yeah. Nice.

But-but-but, Clinton hates pets too! So there! :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #29
48. This does sound like an anti-animal rights campaign.
There's alot of right wing rhetoric in the original post. I may not agree with everything PETA does, but "livinginphotographs" does use the trypical rightwing talking points, for example ; THEY (PETA) are "extremists". I'd like to know alot more about where the poster is coming from before I'll take that post seriously.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #48
50. I apologize, "livinginphotographs"
I flamed the wrong person. I still don't know where you're coming from, however. I'm not against pet ownership (I have four). But I do object to people profiting from animal-breeding farms. There are homeless dogs, cats, rabbits, ferrets, etc. in every single town. They're only homeless because some fickle human decided they were sick of them for one reason or another, or they were too much work, etc. It's amazing to me how many people don't think of that as cruelty.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #50
55. No problem.
Misunderstandings happen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #48
52. I'm using right-wing talking points?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #52
56. No, you're not.
Please see my previous post which apologizes for that. You do confuse me, however. I still don't know where you stand.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. No problem, I edited above.
I support PETA (for the most part) as well as the so-called "extremists" who believe in such wacky ideas as treating animals with respect and not allowing my taste buds to dictate whether I support needless cruelty. I guess that makes me an extremist as well.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #8
25. "Terrorists"???
that term sounds like something the chimp administration would come up with. :mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. It was in reference to THEIR use of the term.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:43 AM
Response to Reply #31
39. Thanks
for clarifying that. :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #25
71. sort of like how people keep regurgitating elsewhere that Rachel Carson
killed 40M "pregnant women and children." Dow pukes, the morons grab spoons and dig in!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
15. "..there will be no further use for ..."
you are a strange breed I hope to see go extinct, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:39 AM
Response to Original message
2. Hope he has a LOT of bail money...
<snip>
We will break the law and destroy property until we win."
<snip>



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:42 AM
Response to Original message
10. Factory farming is a bad thing ...............
about this there is little disagreement. Animal cruelty, environmental degradation, etc.

BUT there is nothing inherently immoral about a naturally omnivorous species consuming meat. If God had wanted us to only eat plants, he/she would have given us a GI tract and teeth like cows or horses or sheep. Instead, we have the GI tract of other omnivores. We do not have the GI tract of a strict carnivore.

It is not immoral to use what biology gave us. It IS immoral to waste or cause unnecessary suffering.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. Factory Farming also brought us Mad Cow....
overall this method of "farming" is generally unhealthy for all living beings.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. yes, we are natural omnivores....
but that does not mean we cannot make the moral choice to avoid the consumption of animal products. We are naturally naked and naturally without automobiles but through took-making, technolgoy and innovation we have arisen "above" our natural limits before. With our current understanding of nutrition we understand the nutritional deficits caused by veganism and can compensate accordingly.

Saying it is in "our nature" to raise and harvest animals for food is not an excuse for the intentionally inflict suffering upon animals. If you eat meat, you must accept it as being a choice you are making, a choice that supports the industry of exploitation and slaughter. Many people accept it as a choice and as long as they are at peace with it there is nothing we can do to stop them. Some people either have no compassion at all or even take a bit of sadistic pleasure from it, from exerting their power of the powerless and the defenseless.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
r0x0r Mc0wnage Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:44 AM
Response to Reply #16
73. An unrepentant meat eater
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 02:45 AM by r0x0r Mc0wnage
I'd like to see reforms made, so that each animal is treated with respect and dignity until we give them as quick and painless a death as we can. We're all gonna die. A good life and meaningful death is the best a mortal can ask for.

At the moment eating meat may support a vile industry, but what doesn't these days? Clothing supports sweatshops, driving supports Oil, eating vegetables does too (oil makes great fertilizer), and the electricity each of our computers consume probably supports either coal or nukes (reactor waste can be used in bombs). There are a lot of problems to fix, but I intend to continue on eating meat, driving to work, drinking Coke, wearing pants, posting on blogs, and fighting for a democratic system free of e-voting machines and the like where I have the power to implement those fixes.

Because the honest truth is: I really don't like any of you. Humanity is, in my eyes, a sorry pack of rat bastards, myself included. Yet I hate to see anything suffer.

So while I'll work to put an end to suffering, I'll also work to provide a good life for myself. Perhaps in my Will I'll leave my body to be delivered during the winter to a wolf pack with cubs somewhere in BFE Alaska to give meaning to my death.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. Um, yes we do have the GI tract of a herbivore.
Do we really need to break out the tooth quiz again?

Oh well, here goes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3143328&mesg_id=3146169


This is not to say that we are unable to eat meat (though that's why we cook it generally), just that the excuse of "I have to eat meat because God says so" is pretty ridiculous.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. Especially that Garden of Eden thing.....
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 04:15 PM by Catchawave
...was over an 'apple' :shrug:

Too many studies are concluding that meat sits in our digestive system too long, thus the increase in colon cancer. Also attributed to fast food diets for the floor sweepings for fast food restaurant cuisine (aka: really cheap meat by products), not to mention the hormones and antibiotics fed to our meat animals are passed along to us too, which increases more ill side effects.

For the LOVE OF (your) GOD people, if you must eat meat, choose organically farmed and free ranged meat. Who knows, you may save a small farm, and your life too :) See: www.farmaid.org Edit to add: includes links to local family farmers.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #23
33. Agreed nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. Now I am going to get really angry..............
Do NOT attempt to tell a veterinarian that humans have the GI tract of a herbivore. I am going to pull rank here and say you obviously don't have the first clue about anatomy or physiology. And don't go quoting some other fool about teeth.

On the day you can show me where my rumen or reticulum or omasum or giant cecum is, I will listen to you. On the day when you can explain in clear scientific terms (and cite proof via valid research) that humans can digest and obtain 100% of their nutrients from grass and other tough vegetation like cows and sheep and goats and horses, then I will listen to you. On the day when you can prove to me that my teeth grow continuously throughout my life to compensate for the wearing down that occurs when chewing on said vegetation, then I will listen to you.

I am not going to stay up waiting for your response. You are spewing utter nonsense. No wonder the US can't produce scientists anymore........ignorance of scientific fact appears to be a point of pride in a few too many circles.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. Don't be angry,
have compassion for the fundamentalists amongst us, they know not what they say, and yet continue to spout it regardless.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Stuff like this makes me really hot under the collar ..................
but I have calmed down now.

:pals:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:08 AM
Response to Reply #32
46. Yawn...
You truly remind me of a freeper I argued with once, always ready to "pull rank" and sign his emails "Dr." It's a pretty unattractive trait. But since you asked, I'm a notary public. So there!

Tell you what: you go out and tackle a deer and eat it raw, and then we'll talk. Also, stop wearing clothes while you do it, since we're naturally naked, and obviously being slaves to instinct, have absolutely no choice but to go along.

Also, turn off your electricity, since it's not natural for us to have computers and message boards.

Don't get angry just because you're a slave to instinct and incapable of making your own decisions as to whether or not to support a cruel industry.

Oh yeah.....CLINTON!!!!

Signed,
Living in photographs
Notary Public
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #32
59. You're a veterinarian? Most vets I've ever met understand that words like
'herbivore' have a looser, more general meaning ('plant eater') as well as the specific, narrow one used in zoology that you cite.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #32
60. I can only speak for myself
After three years of eating only fish, vegetables, fruit and grains, I broke down and had a hamburger for lunch. I had to leave work because I became violently ill. I don't exactly know what this means, but since then I've heard other people say they went through the same thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #60
63. I've known a number of people who've had that reaction too!
A couple of them went to their docs and were told that their bodies had cleaned themselves out and now could no longer tolerate all the hormones and pesticides and junk that ends up in the flesh of animals being raised for slaughter these days.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #32
62. Why limit the human diet to "tough vegetation"?
I've never met a vegetarian who eats hay "like cows and sheep and goats and horses".
Why compare ruminants with primates? Are primates carnivores? If so, which ones?
And are you saying that primate teeth grow continuously throughout life to compensate for chewing on vegetation? Or did you mean rodents?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #32
66. How about the day you prove that all hervivore teeth grow continuously?
Why don'r you tell that to the deer? I'm sure those older deer whose teeth have been worn down almost to the gum will be pleased to learn they've got new sets coming.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #19
78. Wrong...
humans DO NOT have herbivorous digestive tracts. We are incapable of digesting cellulose, for one thing (pretty important if you're a herbivore). Humans, like most of the other great apes, are omnivorous. To suggest otherwise displays a gross ignorance of certain biological facts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:47 AM
Response to Original message
12. Um, this wasn't a "secret" meeting.....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
13. The New Abolitionism
The New Abolitionism: Capitalism, Slavery and Animal Liberation

By Steven Best


Capitalism originated in, and would have been impossible without, imperialism, colonization, the international slave trade, genocide, and large-scale environmental destruction. Organized around profit and power imperatives, capitalism is a system of slavery, exploitation, class hierarchy and inequality, violence, and forced labor. The Global Capitalist Gulag was fueled, first, by the labor power of millions of slaves from Africa and other nations, and, second, by massive armies of immigrant and domestic workers who comprised an utterly new social class, the industrialized proletariat.

As Marx observed, the accumulation of wealth and the production of poverty, the aggrandizement of the ruling class and the immiseration of the ruled, the development of the European world and the underdevelopment of its colonies, are inseparably interrelated. These apparent antipodes are inevitable consequences of a grow-or-die, profit-seeking system of exploitation whose ceaseless expansion requires a slave class and inordinate amounts of cheap labor power.

The transatlantic slave trade began in 1444 when Henry the Navigator began taking Africans back to Portugal to serve as slaves. Africans already were enslaving each other, but their labor market was more akin to indentured servitude and nothing like the horrors they would later face in British America. Prior to trafficking in African slaves, European nations enjoyed positive relationships with Africa based on friendship and trade. This ended in the mid-fifteenth century when they were overtaken by insatiable demands for gold, profits, and slave labor. As evident in the brutal exploits of Columbus and Spain, many European states waged genocidal war against dark-skinned peoples in order to appropriate their land, resources, riches, and labor power.

Over the next few centuries European forces of “civilization,” “progress,” and Christianity kidnapped twenty million Africans from their homes and villages. They forced inland captives to march 500 grueling miles to the coast while barefoot and in leg irons. Half died before they reached the ships and more expired during the torturous six to ten week journey across the Atlantic to North America. The slave traders confined their human cargo to the suffocating hell beneath the deck. Blacks were packed into tight spaces, chained together, and delirious from heat, stench, and disease. They were beaten, force-fed, and thrown overboard in droves.

Marx rightly saw European colonialism as the “primitive stage of capital development” before the emergence of industrial society. From the fifteenth to the nineteenth century, profits from the slave trade built European economies, bankrolled the Industrial Revolution, and powered America before and after the Revolutionary War. The glorious cities and refined cultures of modern Europe were erected on the backs of millions of slaves, its “civilization” the product of barbarism. The horrors of slavery were the burning ethical and political issues of modern capitalism. Over a century after the liberation of blacks in the 1880s, however, slavery has again emerged as a focal point of debate and struggle, as society shifts from considering human to animal slaves and a new abolitionist movement seeking animal liberation emerges as a flashpoint for moral evolution and social transformation.


Strange Fruit of American Democracy

Both before and after the Revolutionary War, America was a slave-hungry system. In its European form, the nation emerged from scratch, with no prior feudal history or communal traditions, a product of British capital ventures. As British colonists found no gold like the Spaniards did in the Americas, they turned to agriculture. From the Indians they learned to grow tobacco as a profitable crop, but planting and harvesting required intense physical labor. For their sturdiness, vulnerability, and cheap price, the colonists favored Africans over Native American Indians and English laborers for the task.

The first Africans arrived on the North American continent in August 1619, a year before Pilgrims landed the Mayflower on the shores of Massachusetts and decades before the British slave trade began in New England. Exchanged for food, twenty blacks stepped off a Dutch slavery ship to become the first generation of African-Americans. Joining a society not yet lacerated by slavery and racism, they worked as indentured servants to British elites. As such, their status was equal to poor white servants, and servants of either race could gain freedom after their tenure. Like whites, blacks owned property, married, and voted in an integrated society.

This benign situation changed dramatically in the 1660s as ever-more Africans were brought to the colonies to meet the growing need for plantation labor. As slavery became crucial to capitalist expansion and plantation economies organized around tobacco, sugar, and cotton, British colonists constructed racist ideologies to legitimate the violent subjugation of those equal to them in the eyes of God and the principles of natural law. Having survived the shock of capture and wretchedness of their journey, African men, women, and children were auctioned, branded, and sold to white slave owners who grew rich from trading, breeding, and exploiting their bodies. With no consideration of blood ties or emotional bonds, black families were broken apart. Stripped of rights, dignity, and human status, these African citizens and their millions of American descendents were brutalized in the most vicious slavery system on the planet, one whose ugly legacy continues to dominate and poison the US.

As colonists became increasingly autonomous from the monarchy abroad, and British military occupation and oppression subsequently increased, the conflict between Empire and its unruly subjects—dramatized in events such as the Boston Tea Party in 1773—inexorably led to war. On July 4, 1776, the Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Independence which asserted the “self-evident” truth that “all men are created equal” and “are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.” Along with progressive whites such as Thomas Paine and Abigail Adams, slaves were quick to denounce the hypocrisy whereby colonists such as Thomas Jefferson railed against British tyranny while owning slaves drawn from a system far more repressive than English monarchy.

Whereas many blacks fought for the British who promised them freedom, others fought courageously for the patriot cause and were crucial to its victory. When the war ended in 1783, social relations and racial views were in great flux. Tens of thousands of slaves fled to England, Canada, Spanish Florida, or Indian camps. Many Northern slaveholders who embraced the nation’s egalitarian values without regard to race freed their captives. In 1783, Massachusetts became the first state to abolish slavery and from 1789 to 1830 all states north of Maryland gradually followed suit. At the same time, however, slavery grew stronger roots in Southern states that were becoming increasingly influential economically and politically.

The new nation stood at a crucial moral crossroads regarding the slavery question and the true meaning of its professed democratic and Christian values. It could end slavery and adhere to its noble ideals, or it could perpetuate a vicious system of bondage to be an American hypocrisy not democracy. Tragically, the profit imperative triumphed over the moral imperative. Although the North continuously pandered to Southern slavery interests, the two cultures drifted apart irreconcilably like shifting tectonic plates. Rather than pulling together as one nation honoring the progressive values that led them to war, the US imploded through internal contradictions and in 1861 embarked on a bloody war with itself.


The Roar of Abolitionism

With freedom denied and justice betrayed, both free and enslaved blacks intensified their resistance to white oppression. Increasingly, opponents of slavery turned from tactics of reform and moderation to demands for the total and immediate dismantling of the slavery system, and thus, in the 1830s, the abolitionist movement was born.

Abolitionism is rooted in a searing critique of racism and its dehumanizing effects on black people. In the US slavery market, a human being, on the basis of skin color alone, was declared biologically and naturally inferior to whites and thereby stripped of all rights. In such a system, the slave is transmogrified from a human subject into a physical object, from a person into a commodity, and thereby reduced to a moveable form of property known as “chattel.” Abolitionists viewed the institution of slavery as inherently evil, corrupt, and dehumanizing, such that no black person in bondage—however well-treated by their “masters”—could ever attain the full dignity, intelligence, and creativity of their humanity. Abolitionists renounced all reformist approaches that sought better or more “humane treatment” of slaves, in order to insist on the total emancipation of blacks from the chains, masters, laws, courts, and ideologies that corrupted, stunted, and profaned their humanity.

The most militant abolitionist voices advocated the use of violence as a necessary or legitimate tactic of struggle and self-defense. In 1829, David Walker published his “Appeal to the Colored Citizens of the World,” a fiery eighty page pamphlet excoriating slavery and calling blacks to violent rebellion. Similarly, in his 1843 keynote address to the National Convention of Colored Citizens, Presbyterian minister Henry Highland Garnet enjoined the nation’s three million blacks to demand freedom and strike their oppressors down if necessary, for “there is not much hope of redemption without the shedding of blood.”

Along with the Haitian Revolution of August 22 1791, whereby black slaves violently overthrew Spanish and British occupiers to establish Haiti as a free black republic, such views panicked US slave owners over the possibility of slave revolts and violence. Their fears were justified, as blacks throughout the country were plotting and carrying out rebellions, achieving with bullets, machetes, or fire the justice denied to them in the courts. Whereas rebels such as Gabriel Prosser and Denmark Vesey were betrayed and executed before they could ignite large-scale insurrections, others like Nat Turner and John Brown (a white Christian) spilled the blood of many slave owners before being captured and executed by the state, and resurrected as folk heroes by the enemies of slavery.

Other influential voices urged militancy and direct action without violence. William Lloyd Garrison, a former indentured white servant, started a prominent abolitionist newsletter, the Liberator, on January 1, 1831, which he published for thirty five years. Against those urging slow, gradual, and moderate change, Garrison objected: “I do not wish to think, to speak, or write, with moderation … Tell a man whose house is on fire to give a moderate alarm; tell him to moderately rescue his wife from the hands of the ravisher; tell the mother to gradually extricate her babe from the fire into which it has fallen; but urge me not to use moderation in a cause like the present!’’

Garrison also brought Frederick Douglass into the abolitionist movement. Douglass was born into slavery, became self-educated, and fled from bondage. With Garrison’s initial assistance, he became a star on the lecture circuit and in 1848 began publishing his own abolitionist newspaper, the North Star. In his electrifying speeches, Douglass preached a potent “gospel of struggle,” most eloquently expressed in an 1857 speech that exposed the Machiavellian essence of politics: “Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will … The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims have been born of earnest struggle … If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its waters.”

A vital part of the abolitionist movement was the Underground Railroad, a furtive, illegal network of volunteers—white and black, male and female, free person and slave—who violated pro-slavery laws in order to smuggle thousands of slaves into northern Free states and Canada. Harriet Tubman not only was a “passenger” on the railroad, using it to escape slavery in 1849 at age 25, she also became its celebrated “Conductor.” Risking jail or death, dodging slave hunters out for the $40,000 bounty on her head, Tubman returned to Maryland numerous times to free family members and seventy other slaves. She epitomizes the courage, passion for freedom, and acute sense of justice driving the abolitionist movement.

After the Civil War ended in 1865, Congress passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments, thereby banning slavery and mandating equal treatment for blacks and whites. By the late 1880s, blacks throughout the nation were formally “free,” but in reality they remained trapped in racist systems of violence, exploitation, and poverty. Despite advances during the brief Reconstruction Period, America reconstituted racist discrimination in frightful new ways. As the US became an apartheid system organized around Jim Crow segregation laws, violence against blacks increased dramatically through lynch mobs and the Ku Klux Klan. Not until the civil rights struggles of the 1950s and 1960s and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did brutality diminish, the walls of apartheid come down, and significant social progress become possible.


The New Abolitionism

As black Americans and anti-racists continue to struggle for justice and equality, the moral and political spotlight is shifting to a far more ancient, pervasive, intensive, and violent form of slavery that confines, tortures, and kills animals by the billions in an ongoing global holocaust.

We speak of animal liberation no differently than human liberation. One cannot “enslave,” “dominate,” or “exploit” physical objects, nor can they be “freed,” “liberated,” or “emancipated.” These terms apply only to organic life forms that are sentient—to beings who can experience pleasure and pain, happiness or suffering. Quite apart from species differences and arbitrary attempts to privilege human powers of reason and language over the unique qualities of animal life, human and nonhuman animals share the same evolutionary capacities for joy or suffering, and in this respect they are essentially the same or equal.

Fundamentally, ethics demands that one not cause suffering to another being or impede another’s freedom and quality of life, unless there is some valid, compelling reason to do so (e.g., self-defense). For all the voluminous scientific literature on the complexity of animal emotions, intelligence, and social life, a being’s capacity for sentience is a necessary and sufficient condition for having basic rights.

Thus, just as animals can be enslaved, so too can they be liberated; indeed, where animals are enslaved, humans arguably have a duty to liberate them. Answering this call of conscience and duty, animal liberation groups have sprouted throughout the world with the objectives of freeing captive animals from systems of exploitation, attacking and dismantling the economic and material basis of oppression, and challenging the ancient mentality that animals exist as human resources, property, or and chattel.

Stealing blacks from their native environment and homeland, wrapping chains around their bodies, shipping them in cramped quarters across continents for weeks or months with no regard for their suffering, branding their skin with a hot iron to mark them as property, auctioning them as servants, separating family members who scream in anguish, breeding them for service and labor, exploiting them for profit, beating them in rages of hatred and anger, and killing them in huge numbers—all these horrors and countless others inflicted on black slaves began with the exploitation of animals. Advanced by technology and propelled by capitalist profit imperatives, the unspeakably violent violation of animals’ emotions, minds, and bodies continues today with the torture and killing of billions of individuals in fur farms, factory farms, slaughterhouses, research laboratories, and other nightmarish settings.

It is time no longer just to question the crime of treating a black person, Jew, or any other human victim of violence “like an animal”; rather, we must also scrutinize the unquestioned assumption that it is acceptable to exploit and terrorize animals.

Whereas the racist mindset creates a hierarchy of superior/inferior on the basis of skin color, the speciesist mindset demeans and objectifies animals by dichotomizing the evolutionary continuum into human and nonhuman life. As racism stems from a hateful white supremacism, so speciesism draws from a violent human supremacism, namely, the arrogant belief that humans have a natural or God-given right to use animals for any purpose they devise.

Both racism and speciesism serve as legitimating ideologies for slavery economies. After the civil war, the Cotton Economy became the Cattle Economy as the nation moved westward, slaughtered millions of Indians and sixty million buffalo, and began intensive operations to raise and slaughter cattle for food. Throughout the twentieth century, as the US shifted from a plant-based to a meat-based diet, meat and dairy industries became giant economic forces. In the last few decades, pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies have become major components of global capitalist networks, and their research and testing operations are rooted in the breeding, exploitation, and killing of millions of laboratory animals each year.

Of course, as soon as Homo erectus began making tools nearly three million years ago, hominids have killed and appropriated animals for labor power, food, clothing, and innumerable other resources, and animal exploitation has been crucial to human economies. But whatever legitimate reasons humans had for using animals to survive in past hunting and gathering societies, subsistence economies, and other low-tech cultures, these rationales are now obsolete in a modern world rife with alternatives to using animals for food, clothing, and medical research. Furthermore, however important the exploitation of animals might be to modern economies, utilitarian apologies for enslaving animals are as invalid as arguments used to justify human slavery or experimentation on human beings at Auschwitz or Tuskegee. Rights trump utilitarian appeals; their very function is to protect individuals from being appropriated for someone else’s or a “greater good.”


The Subterfuge of Welfarism

It was not uncommon for a racist to argue that slavery was beneficial for blacks or that they were biologically unfit for freedom. Similarly, factory farm managers claim that pigs, calves, and chickens are better off in conditions of intense confinement rather than in their natural habitat as their “needs are met” in “managed environments.” Zookeepers and circus operators assert that their animals live better in confinement that in the wild where they are subject to poachers and other dangers.

Abolitionists attack welfarism as a dangerous ruse and roadblock to moral progress, and ground their position in the logic of rights. 19th century abolitionists were not addressing the slave master’s “obligation” to be kind to the slaves, to feed and clothe them well, or to work them with adequate rest. Rather, they demanded the total and unqualified eradication of the master-slave relation, the freeing of the slave from all forms of bondage.

Similarly, the new abolitionists reject reforms of the institutions and practices of animal slavery as grossly inadequate and they pursue the complete emancipation of animals from all forms of human exploitation, subjugation, and domination. They seek not bigger cages, but rather empty cages.

To treat black slaves humanely is a contradiction in terms because the institution of slavery inherently is anti-human and dehumanizing. Similarly, one cannot logically be “kind” to animals kept in debilitating confinement against their will. To “act responsibly” to animals in such a situation requires one liberate them from it. Talk of “humane killing” of animals is especially absurd as there is no “humane” way to steal and violate an animal’s life, and subject it to continual pain and suffering. No accurately aimed bolt shot through the head of an animal warrants pretense to any kind of moral dignity, however superior the killing method is to dismemberment of an animal in a conscious state. Killing itself—unnecessary and unjustified—is inhumane and wrong.

While thousands of national and grass-roots animal welfare organizations help animals in countless ways and reduce their suffering, they cannot free them from exploitation. Welfarists never challenge the legitimacy of institutions of oppression and they share with animal exploiters the speciesist belief that humans have a right to use animals as resources as long as they act “responsibly.” Moral progress and animal liberation is premised on making the profound shift from human responsibility to animals to the rights of animals.

The true obstacles to moral progress are not the sociopaths who burn cats alive, for they are an extreme minority whose actions are almost universally condemned as barbaric. The real barrier to animal liberation is the welfarist orientation and its language of “humane care,” “responsible treatment,” and “kindness and respect.” Every institution of animal exploitation—including the fur farm and slaughterhouse industries—speaks this language, and animals in their “care” are routinely tortured in horrific ways, Animal welfarism is insidious. It lulls people into thinking that animals in captivity are healthy and content. It promotes human supremacy and tries to dress up the fundamental wrong of exploiting animals in the illusory language of “kind,” “respectful,” and “humane treatment.” Attempting to mask and sanitize the evil of oppression, animal welfarism perverts language, corrupts meaning, and is fundamentally Orwellian and deceptive.

Furthermore, by trying to hijack and monopolize the discourse of moral responsibility solely for its own purposes as it feigns ethical behavior, animal welfarism strategically positions animal rights discourse of any kind—because of the premise that animals are not our resources to use—as extreme. And if an animal rights advocate or organization transgresses conservative decorum or legal boundaries in any way, welfarists denounce the tactics as “violent” and “terrorist,” as measures that “discredit” an otherwise respectable concern for animal welfare.


In Defense of Direct Action

Although abolitionism is rooted in the logic of rights, not welfarism, there are problems with some animal rights positions that also must be overcome. First, as emphasized by Gary Francione, many individuals and organizations that champion animal rights in fact are “new welfarists” who speak in terms of rights but in practice seek welfare reforms and thereby seek to ameliorate, not abolish, oppression. While Francione underplays the complex relationship between welfare and rights, reform and abolition, he illuminates the problem of obscuring fundamental differences between welfare and rights approaches and he correctly insists on the need for uncompromising abolitionist campaigns.

Francione, however, is symptomatic of a second problem with animal rights “legalists” who buy into the status quo’s self-serving argument that the only viable and ethically acceptable tactics for a moral or political cause are those the state pre-approves and sanctions. In rejecting the militant direct action tactics that played crucial roles throughout the struggles to end both human and animal slavery, Francione and others use the same rationale animal welfarists employ against them. Mirroring welfare critiques of rights, and serving as a mouthpiece for the state and animal exploitation industries, Francione criticizes direct activists as radical, extreme, and damaging to the moral credibility and advancement of the cause.

Like its predecessor, the new abolitionist movement is diverse in its philosophy and tactics, ranging from legal to illegal approaches and pacifist to violent orientations. A paradigmatic example of the new abolitionism is the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). ALF activists pursue two different types of tactics against animal exploiters. First, they use sabotage or property destruction to strike at their economic heart and make it less profitable or impossible to use animals. The ALF insists that its methods are non-violent because they only attack the property of animal exploiters, and never the exploiters themselves. They thereby eschew the violence espoused by Walker and Garnet. The ALF argues that the real violence is what is done to animals in the name of research or profit. Second, in direct and immediate acts of liberation, the ALF breaks into prison compounds to release or rescue animals from their cages. They are not “stealing” animals, because they are not property and anyone’s to own in the first place; rather, they are liberating them. By providing veterinary treatment and homes for many of the animals they liberate, using an extensive underground network of care and home providers, the ALF is a superb contemporary example of the Underground Railroad that funneled black slaves to freedom.

The new abolitionism also is evident in the work of “open rescue” groups like Compassion Over Killing who liberate animals from factory farms without causing property destruction or hiding behind masks of anonymity. Moreover, ethical vegans who boycott all animal products for the principle reason that it is wrong to use or kill animals as food resources, however “free-range” or “humanely” produced or killed, abolish cruelty from their lives and contribute toward eliminating animal exploitation altogether.

As of yet, there are no active Nat Turners and John Browns in the animal liberation movement, but they may be forthcoming and would not be without just cause for their actions. Nor would they be without precedent. According to the gospel of struggle: No justice, no peace.


The Meaning of Moral Progress

Just as nineteenth century abolitionists sought to awaken people to the greatest moral issue of the day, so the new abolitionists of the 21st century endeavor to enlighten people about the enormity and importance of animal suffering and oppression. As black slavery earlier raised fundamental questions about the meaning of American “democracy” and modern values, so current discussion regarding animal slavery provokes critical examination into a human psyche damaged by violence, arrogance, and alienation, and the urgent need for a new ethics and sensibility rooted in respect for all life.

Animal liberation is not an alien concept to modern culture; rather it builds on the most progressive ethical and political values Westerners have devised in the last two hundred years—those of equality, democracy, and rights—as it carries them to their logical conclusion. Whereas ethicists such as Arthur Kaplan argue that rights are cheapened when extended to animals, it is far more accurate to see this move as the redemption of rights from an arbitrary and prejudicial limitation of their true meaning.

The next great step in moral evolution is to abolish the last acceptable form of slavery that subjugates the vast majority of species on this planet to the violent whim of one. Moral advance today involves sending human supremacy to the same refuse bin that society earlier discarded much male supremacy and white supremacy. Animal liberation requires that people transcend the complacent boundaries of humanism in order to make a qualitative leap in ethical consideration, thereby moving the moral bar from reason and language to sentience and subjectivity.

Animal liberation is the culmination of a vast historical learning process whereby human beings gradually realize that arguments justifying hierarchy, inequality, and discrimination of any kind are arbitrary, baseless, and fallacious. Moral progress occurs in the process of demystifying and deconstructing all myths—from ancient patriarchy and the divine right of kings to Social Darwinism and speciesism—that attempt to legitimate the domination of one group over another. Moral progress advances through the dynamic of replacing hierarchical visions with egalitarian visions and developing a broader and more inclusive ethical community. Having recognized the illogical and unjustifiable rationales used to oppress blacks, women, and other disadvantaged groups, society is beginning to grasp that speciesism is another unsubstantiated form of oppression and discrimination.

Building on the momentum, consciousness, and achievements of past abolitionists and suffragettes, the struggle of the new abolitionists might conceivably culminate in a Bill of (Animal) Rights. This would involve a constitutional amendment that bans exploitation of animals and discrimination based on species, recognizes animals as “persons in a substantive sense, and grants them the rights relevant and necessary to their existence—the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. In 2002, Germany took the crucial first step in this direction by adding the words “and animals” to a clause in its constitution obliging the state to protect the dignity of humans.

If capitalism is a grow-or-die system based on slavery and exploitation—be it imperialism and colonialism, exploitation of workers, unequal pay based on gender, or the oppression of animals—then it is a system a movement for radical democracy must transcend, not amend. But just as black slaves condemned the hypocrisy of colonists decrying British tyranny, and suffragettes exposed the contradiction of the US fighting for democracy abroad during World War I while denying it to half of their citizenry at home, so any future movement for peace, justice, democracy, and rights that fails to militate for the liberation of animals is as inconsistent as it is incomplete.


http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/best02222005/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:58 AM
Response to Reply #13
40. Rules for posting
Do not copy-and-paste entire articles onto this discussion forum. When referencing copyrighted work, post a short excerpt (not exceeding 4 paragraphs) with a link back to the original.

Why post the entire article? Just a few paragraphs and then a link is sufficient.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:10 PM
Response to Original message
14. There are zealots and extremists in every struggle and cause....
I consider myself an animal rights activist and while I sympathize with the frustration with the system that drives militants such as ALF to carry out acts of sabotage, etc. I think it's the totally wrong approach.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:27 PM
Response to Original message
18. They're really trying to marry the terms "animal rights" and "exremists"
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 03:27 PM by Skip Intro

an agenda not so hidden

what frightens people so about animal rights?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Guilt maybe?
Just a guess.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. Post 9-11 labels ?
Here's a good article:

http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/5246

<snippage here>

The Fringe: You Too Might Be A Terrorist!

The War On The Greens
David Case is the executive editor of TomPaine.com.

If you've ever given money to an environmental organization, if you support the movement's agenda, then you're probably part of a grand conspiracy that's degrading life in America. Worse yet, you might even be a terrorist, or at least an accomplice. At least that's what Nick Nichols seems to think.

Nichols' views wouldn't matter if he were just another backwoods loser. On the contrary, environmental watchdogs fear he's at the vanguard of efforts to exploit the nation's post-September 11th mood by tarring the entire green movement as extremists. Nichols acts under the pretext that, "If environmental groups cost business money, then they're eco-terrorists," says Dan Barry, of the Clearinghouse for Environmental Advocacy and Research (CLEAR), which tracks anti-environmental groups.

Nichols is the CEO of "crisis communication" firm Nichols Dezenhall. The firm doesn't reveal its clients, but they have reportedly included business pillars such as Audi, Arco and the Society of the Plastics Industry. He's also popular on the nation's lecture circuit.

At a March 7, 2002 conference on "Eco Extremism" co-sponsored by Nichols Dezenhall and the Competitive Enterprise Institute (a "free market" think tank) Nichols delivered a thinly-veiled marketing pitch for his firm, in an assembly room overlooking the U.S. Capitol grounds. Among the well-heeled, attentive audience members were journalists, think tankers and executives from the paper, forestry and plastics industries.

Incidentally, while the conference was open to the public, Barry and other environmentalists were refused admission.

more....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #18
54. Years of fearmongering and stereotypes, mainly
The stereotypical militant vegan (who, interestingly enough, I have never met) who calls people "murderers" if they eat meat.

Trust me, people in the midwest are almost as terrified of these "wackos" as they are of the terrorists.

You can thank Rush Limbaugh.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #54
57. Another stereotype..
Women who own more than one cat are so socially and sexually undesirable, they have to get cats for companionship. I've never known a woman with multiple cats to be socially awkward, or worse yet, crazy. Yet I've even read this on DU in the past.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #57
65. What about the crazy cat lady on The Simpsons
Laughing and throwing cats at people...

:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 06:52 PM
Response to Original message
26. I am a vegetarian and believe in animal rights
but stuff like this discredits what we are trying to achieve in the eyes of the public.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:20 AM
Response to Original message
42. This is the frakking TELEGRAPH! ... a right wing UK tabloid!
Did this article come after the one about the woman in Essex who gave birth to the two-headed monkey? ... The Telegraph is WORTHLESS, even as toilet paper! :banghead:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:09 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. Oh, but perfectly useful
In taking a bunch of extremists advocating destruction of property and trying to smear everyone who doesn't eat meat.

Just another day on DU....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #42
67. hmmm, I get my news from the telegraph all the time, very good source. lol
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cheeseit Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #42
68. Yes, the Torygraph is a long standing friend to animal rights...
:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #68
72. I LOVE your avatar!!!
:loveya: She's sooo cute!

Hey! Look at me! I'm a handsome, Swampus Rattus!



I'm real talented too! I can run for hours through mazes (I ALWAYS get the cheese ;) ), piss off the farmers wife AND steal a wheel of gouda at the same time, and get away with it! I got a cool loft up behind the nave and a condo behind the apse. I have tons of energy to do all kinds of naughty things at night, like pee in the holy water before bedtime. :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cheeseit Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #72
75. Thank you! You are one magnificent specimen...
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 08:10 AM by cheeseit
I love rats. The highest form of life, and secure enough not to have to rub it in everyone elses faces, unlike a certain butt-ugly species of ape that shall remain nameless.;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:04 AM
Response to Original message
64. When I lived in California
I got quite interested in animal rights issues. As a long time companion to cats, I had my own desires to save them from the likes of some humans who never treat them like living beings, only as something to be used and abused.

But someone pointed out to me relatively recently that animal rights issues could be considered "luxury charities" because there are usually far more pressing issues on the block. It was, of course, his opinion, but as a member of the "regular joe" arm of Democratic politics, he speaks for many who do view animal rights and animal welfare as one of the least important agenda in politics now. This is much the same as how the rights of women, the rights of blacks and the rights of the homeless started when they were first championed. To many of us, animals ARE our lifetime companions, and we are only guardians to the array of animals we deeply love and care for over the course of our lives.

Is there any wonder, though, why we are looked at askance sometimes? How many of us forego meat in our diets, stage demostrations against fur coat makers, spill paint on models on fashion runways, boycott cosmetics and household products from companies who conduct animal testing, and try in every simgle way possible to show our love and sympathy with our animal friends? We DO try to hold on to our principles, we DO try to provide a voice for those unable to speak for themselves, and many of us DO understand just what is at risk in further relegating animals to the list of inanimate objects we claim to own and rule over.

But many of us have gotten so involved in trying to rectify the inhumane practices and treatment of animals by mankind, that we neglect to step back and look at the whole picture. We neglect to take our battles one at a time, and look foolish in the end. Or, at the worst, we look like fanatics or extremists. Instead, what we need to do is educate those who will come after us, and we need to pick our battles.

When groups do things like in the original post, most of us, as reasonably intelligent human beings, know that these extremists are not helping our cause, but harming it and make it more difficult to carry on with our own missions. If we approach our welfare and rights issues with a specific bent, we are far more capable of making victories, which, small at first, will culminate over time to make larger ones possible. And there are SO many issues in animal rights that need to be addressed and need resolution.

Tackling the food chain is one of the largest issues, and certainly not one of the more victorius ones, either. But there are many victories which animal rights activists can claim, and that are already happening:

1) L'Oreal and Gillette were among the more notorious firms using animals for testing. Since the intervention of both PETA and other animal rights groups, both firms (and a lot of others) have put a moratorium on testing on animals.

2) Children in schools in manmy classrooms across the country now have the option of declining to perform dissection on frogs, fetal pigs and cats, and working with computer animal models instead.

3) Canned hunts are getting an increasingly bad rap, justifiably, and felony charges are now brought against game farm operators who have allowed canned hunting.

4) In England, the RSPCA has gained many vistories through the years, with as diverse groups such as Linda McCartney's Lynx group and others. As a result of animal group interventions, many fur manufacturers have been forced to shut down their fur "farms" completely. That same kind of victory might never happen here, at least not for many years from now, because many American women are too greedy and selfish to give up fur coats and other accessories. It's sad to say that, but it's true.

5) In almost every state in the US, however, steel-jawed traps have become illegal. The law passed in 2000 in California, an initiative I worked endlessly and itrelessly on.

6) In California, mountain lions are on the protect species list. Repukes tried to take that designation away with the help of a sympathetic puke in the state legislature, but the overwhelming majority of California residents made sure it stayed.


These are just a few of the victories animals have gained as we who help fight for them have worked hard to pass. But yes, there are so many issues, so many different groups out there who need to focus their attention on each and every issue, one at a time, and trying to tackle the bigger issues is only going to result in disappointment and misery for those who refuse to compromise or at least win battles which are easier to win: puppy mills, domestic animal abuse, product testing on animals, boycotting those firms that DO do animal testing, helping to keep the animal overpopulation from getting any worse.....let's face it: if we are not willing to have our pets spayed or neutered, than how much can we REALLY say about the abuse of others to animals? If we don't tend to our own home problems, we are not fulfilling our obligations to those who really do rely on us, and us alone.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #64
79. Brava! What an excellent post. Thank you! (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
r0x0r Mc0wnage Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:13 PM
Response to Original message
69. An end to pet "ownership"
Does not translate into no one keeps company with friendly furry critters. I think "ownership" is the key word. The economics involved in some "pet" cases amounts to exploitation.

For example, I know someone who has 4 dogs (no problem here, she has a big back yard), BUT she keeps them locked up in carrier cages 23 hours a day to make sure they are all ultra-docile so they can make her money in dog shows (and breeding). Without legal "ownership", she would not be able to treat the 4-legged conscious beings she lives with as private property to be exploited, and could be prosecuted.

There is nothing inherently wrong with humans enjoying symbiotic relationships with animals (company for food/water/shelter), but when the relationship is one sided, it creates a moral dilemma.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #69
80. VERY well said. Thank you.
I think that if everyone who opposes the exploitation of non-humans would stop using the word 'own' to describe their relationships with the ones with whom they live, we might eventually get to the point where the general public would begin to grasp what we're on about.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
drhilarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:07 AM
Response to Original message
74. I love it when folks like this claim the moral highground...
nothing strikes me as being more deeply misanthropic than blowing up a person's property, livelihood, or loved ones for the sake of liberating a cow, chicken, or, in my case, beagle.

Why? Because they are "slaves". Oh yes, I forgot that before cows were kidnapped by european traders and chained to ships for their middle passage they had, in fact, a rich and colorful culture that thrived throughout much of Africa. They had an elaborate mythos, a rich tapestry of various religious beliefs, and thriving philosophical, theological, and artistic communities.

Slave cows in this country won't achieve self-actuality as long as

1)They continue to be separated from their families.
2) Female cows are raped by their slavemasters.
3)They are prohibited from learning how to read and write.
4) They are prohibited from practicing native customs and rituals.
5) Prohibited from voting...

and so on. Comparing this to slavery is repugnant and, again,deeply misanthropic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #74
77. "In my case, beagle." Huh?
Anyway...

Slave (noun): 1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: “I was still the slave of education and prejudice” (Edward Gibbon).
3. One who works extremely hard.
4. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component.

I'm always amused by those that, in situations like this, jump to moral high ground because someone appears to have compared an animal to a human. Try comparing the treatment to the treatment, the action to the action, the mindset to the mindset. Regardless of who is oppressed, it's the oppression itself that is the crime.

Fucking egomaniacs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Dec 27th 2024, 07:32 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC