Identity card threatens to split Coalition (AU, Howard wants them)

[Lori Price CLG]

Identity card threatens to split Coalition

The push for a national identity card threatens to cause more splits in the Government than the mandatory detention brawl after the Prime Minister, John Howard, said the card could be a new weapon against terrorism.

Some Coalition MPs said yesterday the card might cause fresh divisions in the Government's ranks, while the question of embedding fingerprints in the cards could add a volatile new dimension to the debate.

Speaking in Washington, Mr Howard said a national identity card should be debated in the wake of the London bombings, which have claimed 55 lives, including Australian Sam Ly.

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Lori Price

[applegrove]

1. I'm with Howard. This is an ugly world we live in and if we can

make it hard for any criminal - great! Same with video cameras. They should be everywhere.

[Flammable Materials]

2. They'll be over between noon and 6pm tomorrow to install yours.

:evilgrin:

[applegrove]

3. Why should I care. As long as I am in a public place (like a bus) the

videos keep us all safe. I mean - do you never shop? Because there are cameras everywhere you shop!

[ridgerunner]

4. How do they keep you safe? n/t

[applegrove]

6. Well - it means all sorts of criminal activity can be stopped or

discouraged - is why the stores use it.

[ridgerunner]

7. yeah

shoplifting is a thing of the past

[Alien8ed]

5. It's a rotten idea.

As for the comparison to installing cameras in stores...

And no store has EVER been robbed or bombed, afterwards, either, has it?

[applegrove]

8. Of course they have - but every single crime you stop is important.

To the victim if not you or I. Think about the 9/11 suicide bombers. Would it not have been better if they could not have renewed car liscenses even though their Visa's had expired?

At the very least - we owe it to the families of 9/11 to tighten up the ship.

I can see we will not see eye to eye on this. It is okay. We will survive.

[r0x0r Mc0wnage]

10. 9/11 is a bad reason to implement this

Just because these countermeasures being discussed 'might' be effective in stopping a similar style attack, who's to say the bombers' style doesn't change?

For example, it isn't enough to stop a determined suicide bomber. Look to Israel for how that is done. How would you like it if the entire country were wired, walled, checkpointed, and gunned like Gaza Strip? Who would we "owe" that to?

I think that is the option this country is facing. If we start down the slippery slope of trading civil liberties for security, we'll never quite be secure enough until they are all gone. Some might view this as necessary.

Tell me where the next bomb will go off and I'll stand at ground zero if it somehow means that the rest of you humans don't have to endure that police state.

That said, I believe a wiser course of action would be to assassinate the enemy's propagandists, purge the criminality within our own house, and resign ourselves to a few generations of bombings of decreasing frequency, until such a time comes as new minds and fresh leaders make peace.

I'm pretty sure usury is among the primary causes of the symptoms Jihadists rally against. America has lots of capital, and through institutions such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund we lend out our fractional reserved dollars to make over 1000% profit on the loan. That is no exaggeration. When you, or anyone else, including a nation-state, takes a loan from a bank that charges interest and uses a fractional reserve lending system (i.e. the bank only has a fraction, in this case 10%, of the cash it claims that it is "loaning" you by tacking numbers onto your digital account record), you end up with cash itself as a scarce resource.

Lets say you take out a $100 dollar loan. The bank only has $10 total to its name, but lends you the cash anyway at 8% interest, and takes out a loan from the central bank at 4% interest. The central bank prints some bills and has them delivered to your local bank. You are forced to pay back $108, when there was only $10 in existence. The local bank decides not to pay back its loan to the central bank just yet, and instead loans $1000 to the next guy. Apart from the injustice of an unelected cabal of bankers with the power to create money from nothing, charging interest on all money in circulation means that we owe the banks more money then they have given out to make payments with. Guaranteeing foreclosures. On land. Farms. Factories. Oil fields. Anything that gets put up as collateral by either desperate or corrupt dictators, is owned shortly after by Western Europe or America. It is tantamount to taxation without representation.

[nolabels]

9. Another floater-feeler, Yea hook me up with a identity card too

This is just another joke that will never work.

Out here in the good ole USA they cannot even slow the massive flow of emigrants because they are too afraid hurting and causing a backlash from business

The fruitcakes that run some of these governments must be just plain clueless or quite adept liars. At any rate don't expect too much to be solved by them