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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:16 AM
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Schwarzenegger Unveils Energy Plans
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 05:20 AM by JudiLyn
October 13, 2003

Schwarzenegger Unveils Energy Plans
The governor-elect's initial policy relies on a mix of free markets, conservation and green power sources.


By Nancy Rivera Brooks, Times Staff Writer


Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger, who saw his predecessor undone by California's electricity debacle, is engaged in his own high-wire act, offering an energy plan designed for both ends of the political spectrum.

Schwarzenegger's preliminary proposal takes a Republican-style reliance on free markets, which became decidedly unpopular in the energy crisis of 2000-2001, and mixes in such traditionally liberal favorites as aggressive conservation and increased use of green energy.

Within two years, for example, he wants half of all new homes built in California to be equipped with solar cells.

This blend of ideas is perhaps not surprising for a centrist Republican accustomed to peacefully coexisting with the fiercely Democratic Kennedy clan. Still, as campaign rhetoric morphs into governance plans, energy experts warn that the Schwarzenegger vision may be a tough sell to a Legislature dominated by Democrats and independent commissions packed with appointees of Gov. Gray Davis.
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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-energy13oct13,1,2614522.story?coll=la-home-todays-times

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:25 AM
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1. This is equivalent to our troops guarding the Oil Ministry in Iraq.....we
now know .... na dhave known via Greg Palast ...why they wanted Arnie as gov.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:37 AM
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2. Plan number # 1
Use gasbag cheney for neon lighting in L.A.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:01 AM
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3. The legislature should ignore this "plan"
and write their own plan.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:14 AM
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4. Free markets in the utility sector?
There's a robber baron notion that went out with the 19th Century. Repukes trying to take advantage of the United States of Amnesia.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:19 AM
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5. I am sure by now those who could would have done this
I guess I mean if they had the money, It is also costly to ad these things to a home. It is not something to over look in a sunny place. It is not to easy to live in a home like that. I lived in one half in ground and heated by sun in Maine. Electic heat was added at one time then cut off. We had a monotor and wood stove. It was an act of God to get that house to feel right. Oil was cheap and so was wood.You also need a lot of fans. I am not sure we saved on light bills but on oil and wood we did. You also took very fast baths etc. Hard to get heat into an off room. I must say I missed the windows on one side of house.Now I live in Maine and my apt is heated by the sun a great deal as windows and sky lights face South. My heat just does not come on all day when the sun is out.Omce more you must run fans. Since my lights are in my rent I am not sure if it is high.We tend to look at heat and not lights I think, in Maine. I think it is motor things that runs up the light bills.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:33 AM
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6. The Bedrock impulse of humans...
Is greed. That is why regulations are vital. To mitigate these impulses and keep everyone honest.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:56 AM
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7. A quote I heard on Democracy Now
A woman asked Ahnold on the campaign trail if he was in bed with Ken Lay. His answer was "Well, I'm certainly not in bed with you".

I think we just have our answer to that question.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:58 AM
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8. without regulation, "free market" is under control of big corporations
i guess such 'freedom' is in the eye of the beholder.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:55 AM
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9. Oh look! Enron gets to keep its 9 billion
I'm sure they were worried about which way armold would go on that :eyes:

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Lynch said she was disturbed that the plan does not express support for the state's quest to get the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to order as much as $9 billion in refunds from power sellers for alleged electricity overcharges. There was also little discussion of how the market would be policed to prevent future manipulation, she said.
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benfranklin1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 09:04 AM
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10. Nice catch.
Looks like Palast was right on the money when he specifically warned about this before the election. People were too mesmerized by "authoritarian image worship" to pay attention. The legislature should pass a resolution of support for the litigation and Bustamente should pick up the mantle and press ahead with the suit in his capacity as Lieutenant Governor. Force Kenny Boy's puppet to show his true hand by opposing it as his masters desire.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 09:20 AM
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11. Originally posted by Benfranklin1776
The legislature should pass a resolution of support for the litigation and Bustamente should pick up the mantle and press ahead with the suit in his capacity as Lieutenant Governor.

EXCELLENT idea! Cali DU-ers, this is your mission should you decide to accept it. And I've already made the bumper sticker!




rocknation

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:54 AM
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17. you see?? you f*cking SEE?????
nobody else will, because all we're going to hear is about how GREEN Arnold is, how PROGRESSIVE...

:argh:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:32 AM
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12. ARGH! Put the veil back on!!!!
:evilgrin:
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:37 AM
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13. Here it is:
"Ven you lift moor veights, you gate more enerchee! Dat's my enerchee plan! Sehr gut, nicht wahr?"

Jawohl, Herr Kreisleiter. Sieg Heil!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:39 AM
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14. Exact opposite of my approach.
We need to fully re-regulate energy and use the state to build and operate all types of power generation facilities--including nuclear. I agree neither with this plan's "ecologism" not with its "free market" idiocy.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:45 AM
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15. Thank you, Bill Clinton
You taught triangulation to the Republicans, and now they'll be using it against us forever more.

Eloriel
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:52 AM
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16. Tomorrow's Headlline -Arnie backs free market water plan
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 10:55 AM by lunabush
In an effort to tap yet another public market for the robber barons, Arnold presents a new water plan to Kahl I forn I A. By selling the water services for a nominal $1 to for profit entities, Schwartzenagger projected the State can save 2.2 billion annually in salaries and maintenance.

Ken Lay, of Enron corporation, a company expected to assume control of much of the California water supply said that water rates were kept artificially low under state subsidies and Californians can expect a tripling of rates in the first year, with annual increases for the next five years to bring the water systems to profitability by 2010.

Lay also noted that Californians have shown no interest in conservation of water, so the Corp will start rationing of water immediatley. Lay plans no upgrades to the water system in the nesxt decade, noting that, again, "the system is so underfunded that until we can get the rates to a point where the shareholders of Enron are receiving a respectable double digit ROI, we can't even consider infrastructure investment."

/sarcasm.

I feel for ya Cali.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 04:30 PM
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20. Incredible
//By selling the water services for a nominal $1 to for profit entities//

Right out of the IMF playbook as outlined in past Palast articles.

Hey California ...take a look at Argentina and get a Clue!
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 04:54 PM
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21. I think I'm reading you correctly
but I was being sarcastic - its coming, though, I am certain. Brainless profit driven evil fucks.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:25 PM
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24. I know
but I'm right with you...It'll happen
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 12:03 PM
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18. This is also just more feel good bullshit
There are already more than enough laws on the books in CALIFORNIA to make going solar a viable option. One thing one might also note the space above many residential property is lost space that could be used very strategically. The way some of it starting to pan out is the gold comes from the sunshine

Kenny boy and friends are going to get theirs; the thing is, it just might not be where or how they planned it
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 12:08 PM
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19. He doesn't need the Legislature.....
His buddy Bush has said he wants to help. I guess the people in Calif. can only get federal assistance if their governor is a Republican?
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classics Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:05 PM
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22. half of all new homes built in California to be equipped with solar cell
This man has absolutely no concept of money.

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TennesseeWalker Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:19 PM
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23. Now, see...here's where I have a small problem.
I LIKE the solar cell on houses deal. I think if Al Gore had said that, I'd be singing his praises. I know this Cal deal is a ripoff, but when life deals you lemons, you should make lemonade. Let's see if Californians take a paper suggestion and can hold him to it. If he does it, a great step forward will have been taken. If he doesn't follow through, people start looking for a way to make it happen.

We should support good ideas, if not the messenger.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 05:44 PM
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25. Watch our rates skyrocket to $600 per month per household.
Thanks Arnold.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:14 PM
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26. Arnold's plan: Everyone gets an exercise bike
And it's hooked up to a mini-generator. Peddle your way to energy self-sufficiency AND fight obesity at the same time! It's the Republican way.
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