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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:41 AM
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Suspect Admits Throwing Grenade at Bush
Thursday July 21, 2005 11:01 AM


TBILISI, Georgia (AP) - A man arrested after a fatal shootout with police has admitted to throwing a grenade during a May rally where President Bush gave a speech, a Georgian official said Thursday.

The suspect made the admission in the hospital where he is being treated for wounds suffered in the shootout that erupted when police tried to arrest him late Wednesday, Deputy Health Minister Irakly Giorgobiani told Rustavi-2 television Thursday.

Bush and Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili were on the podium in front of a massive crowd in downtown Tbilisi when the grenade was thrown.

It landed less than 100 feet from the podium but did not explode, and a preliminary investigation indicated the activation device deployed too slowly to hit the blasting cap hard enough, the FBI said.

On Monday, Georgian authorities had released a photo of the suspect and announced a reward of about $80,000 for information leading to his identification.

One policeman was killed Wednesday in the shootout in a village on the outskirts of the capital Tbilisi. The suspect, Vladimir Arutyunian, fled into a nearby woods. He was captured about an hour later and taken to a hospital for treatment of gunshot wounds.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5156249,00.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:44 AM
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:05 AM
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3. I've been to Tbilisi and this is a minor incident.
Georgia is actually the Middle East, not Russia, and they have been prone to riots and bloodshed, over the years. That this happened there hardly surprised me. Bush should have known better than to show his face there, but what does he know about the rest of the world?:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:18 AM
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:45 AM
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5. I know! Why are they making such a huge deal about this?!
The guy missed!:evilgrin:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:48 AM
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:10 AM
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7. Yes, rejoice in your hate! Woohoo kill everyone you disagree with!
So I guess you were for the war in Iraq also as well as torture. Seems fairly obvious you advocate violence against those you do not like. So I guess that gives Bush justification in your world to attack Iraq and torture people. Woohooo! Go ignorance!
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:26 AM
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10. I agree with you
Like it our not the man is the president. No one should be shot at .
are we no better than john hinkley and john wilkes booth.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:35 AM
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:38 AM
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15. I have a friend in Iraq who's dodging death daily.
So don't fucking tell me who I can hate and who I CAN'T.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:04 AM
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16. Who doesn't? I have several, so? Does that mean murder is okay?
Does that excuse violence against others? Does that excuse torture or anything else done against those we dislike? I think not but maybe thats just me.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:12 AM
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8. I agree. But the guy missed.
Who knows what his intentions were? And his name is more likely Mohammed. Georgia, though it was part of the former USSR, is actually the Middle East. They speak Arabic, though they were forced to learn Russian in the USSR days. In Tbilisi, all the street signs are in two languages. And Bush* wonders why they might not have given him an enthusiastic welcome? Actually, he probably hasn't got a clue.:shrug:
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American in Asia Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:19 AM
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9. Georgian, not Arabic
And they're very proud of it being a language that's not related to any of the other major languages. Tbilisi has always been a crossroads between east and west - a trading post - a place where Turkish sort of culture and European mix. Where there are Turkish baths, and heavily European influenced art. Where a Russian orthodox church, synogogue, and mosque can share a street corner with no violence or hard feelings. It's an awesome place, that's sadly now very poor and suffering under a fairly corrupt and incompetent government. And the people are simply the best - fiercely loyal to their friends, hospitable, funny, warm, generous.

Have to go read more - but the guy's name who was arrested sounds more Armenian to me than Georgian....
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:35 AM
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11. I've been to Tbilisi. I agree. It's an awesome place.
A modern nightclub can stand right next to building built in the 6th century. And I really did like the people, but they can get emotional. I remember the violence when the USSR fell. And I've seen the poverty and am aware of the corruption. It's really so sad, since these people deserve better. And they did not deserve a visit from Bush*.:-(
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:43 AM
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19. Actually, they speak Georgian...
and the Muslim population is only about 10%...
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:50 AM
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12. Hitler was another dicktater that they couldn't blow up real good too,
July 20 must be lucky date for dicktaters too,same date Hitler most narrowly avoided getting blowed up real good.

http://www.valourandhorror.com/DB/ISSUE/Hitler_Ass.php

...Von Stauffenberg introduced himself, went over to take a look at the maps, and gently placed the briefcase on Hitler's side of the one of the great oak slabs, neatly positioning it to blow off the Furer's legs. He then excused himself and went to wait for the explosion. But as soon as he left the room, Colonel Brandt, who was also leaning over the table, found that the briefcase was in his way. He moved it to the other side of the oak support. When the bomb detonated, the roof blew off, the windows blew out, the table was thrown to the far corner of the room. Colonel Brandt was catapulted out a window, a stenographer lost both legs and was bleeding to death, several men ,who were on the wrong side of the table, died instantly; all who remained were burnt, deafened, and lacerated. Hitler stood with his eardrums burst, hair burned, a wounded arm, and his trousers torn to ribbons; he was in shock but he was alive.

The attempted coup had exactly the opposite effect that it's leaders had intended. Not only was Hitler not successfully eliminated, he appeared to be strengthened by his rage. Speaking to Mussolini that afternoon, he declared: "When I call it to mind again, I conclude that nothing is fated to happen to me, all the more so because this isn't the first time I've miraculously escaped death...After my rescue from the peril of death today, I am more than ever convinced that I am destined to carry on our great common cause to a happy conclusion."...



http://www.trivia-library.com/a/assassination-attempts-adolf-hitler-chancellor-of-nazi-germany-part-1.htm

About the assassination attempt on Adolf Hitler Chancellor of Nazi Germany, a history of other attempts and biography of Hitler.
The Victim: ADOLF HITLER, Chancellor of Nazi Germany.


The Date: July 20, 1944.


The Event: For several years a large-scale conspiracy within the German Army had been trying to eliminate the Fuhrer. Time bombs were placed in his plane, but they failed to explode. Three young officers, who were modeling the latest in Nazi uniforms, volunteered to carry bombs under their coats and blow themselves up in Hitler's presence. Hitler, however, departed before the bombs were set to go off. A similar plan to hide time bombs in new military packs was developed, but this, too, failed. A conspirator once showed up at a high-level conference with a bomb in his briefcase--Hitler failed to appear. Yet another suicidal attempt involved a scheme to kill the Fuhrer in an art gallery; again, he left early and the bomb carrier hastily departed.


Adolf Hitler was not an easy target. He expected that attempts on his life would be made and took brilliant precautionary measures. During his later years, Hitler stayed out of sight as much as possible, hiding in remote fortress-headquarters. He released his traveling plans to the fewest possible functionaries, and nearly always altered them at the last minute. He arrived early, departed early, and was, as Robert Payne puts it in his biography, "rarely where people expected him to be." Hitler suspected the Army of plotting against him since the Army was the only major sector of the power structure that was not created and controlled by the Nazis themselves. The Fuhrer constantly shifted high officers from one command to another so they would have little time to formulate any conspiracy plans. The Chancellor surrounded himself with tall sharpshooters. He wore a bulletproof vest and had 3 1/2 1bs. of steel-plate lining under his military cap. He was a skilled marksman and always carried a revolver. Finally, the Fuhrer possessed a special sense that warned him of impending danger and also claimed to be protected by Divine Providence.


The conspiracy to kill Hitler culminated on July 20, 1944, with a planned assassination to be followed by a vaguely coordinated coup d'etat. By this time the Normandy invasion had assured Germany's defeat, but the conspirators perhaps hoped to avoid further national-suicidal mania on Hitler's part.


The time was half-past noon. Col. Claus von Stauffenberg (Klaus Phillip Schenk), chief of staff to the commander of the reserve army, arrived to meet with Hitler and 2 dozen high officers at "Wolf's Lair," the Fuhrer's retreat headquarters in Rastenberg, East Prussia. The conference, scheduled for 1 P. M., had already begun because Hitler was to greet Mussolini at 3 o'clock. Stauffenberg, who was talking with Hitler's aides in the compound's guard bunker, sneaked into the bathroom and activated the silent acid fuse which was connected to 2 1bs. of British plastic explosive in his briefcase. He had 10 minutes...


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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:08 AM
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13. The only sin is failure
In bushido, the code of the honourable warrior, there is only 1 sin.

Do not fail. This man has sinned, and deserves his comeuppance.
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:40 AM
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17. I cannot believe this...
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 09:44 AM by youspeakmylanguage
No matter our political differences, anyone who even hints that they support or approve of an assassination attempt on any president should be banned. Immediately.

DU is better than this, by a huge margin.

EDIT: Don't ask me to point to examples or links. Anyone with half a brain can read through the posts and see who and what I'm talking about. It's up to the Mods to decide what, if anything, needs to be deleted.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:42 AM
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18. Bet Shrub and the Fundies are thinking "Devine Intervention"...n/t
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:55 AM
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20. We almost had Cheney as president? (shivering)
It really can get worse, you know.
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