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omshanti Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:05 PM
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Three U.S. Soldiers Killed in 24-Hour Period
I didn't see this posted on LBN yet.

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi guerrillas ambushed a U.S. military convoy northeast of Baghdad Monday killing one American soldier and wounding two others, the U.S. military said. The death brought to 97 the number of U.S. soldiers killed by hostile fire since President Bush (news - web sites) declared major combat over on May 1. The soldier was the third to be killed within 24 hours.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=3&u=/nm/20031013/ts_nm/iraq_ambush_dc
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:21 PM
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1. but we know
where saddam is..i wonder why they decided to break that saddam bit this morning? could it be 3 dead in 24 hrs? and it`s monday,the start of the new news cycle....
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:25 PM
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2. And Bush is being criticized by BOTH parties
for his handling of Iraq. Hmm...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 04:26 PM
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13. BUT THE CHIMPS POLL NUMBERS ARE UP
Guess the "SOLDIERS" need to write to more hometown newspapers about the flowers and rose petals etc. being tossed their way.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:17 PM
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16. THEY KNOW
They even know where the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause are too!!!
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:27 PM
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3. This can't be true!
Cheney was just saying how good everything over there is.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 04:50 PM
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15. Bookmark link--the "actual" Casualty Count is 329 U.S dead+ 51 U.K.
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 04:56 PM by aunteeWar
http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx




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ON EDIT:TOTAL Wounded=1,815
many crippled for life--many missing limbs--many permanently brain damaged--
THANK SHRUBco and all the greedy little PNAC folks for this
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:05 PM
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4. Why is this figure of 97 the official number?
NPR said the same thing this morning - "total of 97 American soldiers killed in combat since May 1st". This is a shameful deception of the public and the real numbers are out there just staring these lying whores in the face!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:09 PM
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5. What do you expect from a murdering thug?
The truth ?

And we are not talking about Sadaam here !!!
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omshanti Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:10 PM
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6. because somehow, it ONLY counts if you die "in combat"
Like all the other deaths are not "combat" deaths.

Bullshit.
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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:28 PM
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7. soon the "in combat" counts will be too high to accurately report ...
how will the whores spin that then?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:40 PM
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11. I think this 97 is wrong I think it was ~85 a month ago
and then they stopped mentioning it and then they started again.

They have tried everything to keep the numbers low
First it was total deaths
Then it was combat deaths
Then the Chickenhawk landed and they thought it would be the end of it

Then our guys and girls kept dying
Then they reported the total number of deaths
When that kept climbing they started reporting on "combat deaths" in total
When that got to high we started hearing "combat deaths since the PRESIDENT declared...."

Then they didn't report it at all.

Then they only reported attacks were there were deaths, immediate deaths not at the hospital or on the way to Germany.

Then they picked up again.

Last week I heard NBC say that there had been 860 injures since may 1... they tried that for a while but even that didn't do.

The are running out of ways to cover for the problem they helped create TWICE!
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 04:11 PM
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12. What are the 'real' numbers?
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 04:11 PM by dirk
Are other, higher numbers of US dead being reported? I'm asking seriously. I know they're vastly under-reporting the number of wounded and sick, but 97 is consistent with the numbers I have been hearing since May 1st.

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:10 PM
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19. 193 US military personnel have "officially" died since May 1.
Now how the military is counting, I have no idea. Go here and see all the ways you can die in Iraq. http://www.pigstye.net/iraq/

If you fall off of a building while on guard duty, non-combat or combat?

If your helicopter crashes while taking off for an assault mission, combat or non-combat?

If you are investigating a suspicious package and it blows up, combat or non-comabt?

If your vehicle is racing to assist other soldiers who have been attacked and you drive into a ditch, combat or non-combat?

If an Iraqi "civilian" walks up and shoots you, combat or non-combat?



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kalazh Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:33 PM
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8. How much longer
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 03:34 PM by kalazh
these lies and cover ups can go on unpunished? Kobe's case gets more attantion then issues where live human being are killed or dead by tens. USA and mass media have become a loughing stock for the rest of the planet. Enough is Enough
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:39 PM
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9. How many more dead will it take
before people demand an end to this insanity? We've lost all reason for this shit, I know and everyone here knows that this was a trumped up bullshit deal from the start. But damn, even the most dense dittomonkey out there has to be asking questions about why in the hell we're involved here.

Every excuse this lame fucking moron* has come up with has been shot full of holes, all we've succeeded in doing is upsetting the world forever after.

When the new balance of power is established, you can rest assured that the good ole USofA isn't going to be in the equasion, or if it is it's going to be on the negative side of things.

This is what you get for giving a chimpanzee a live hand grenade. As far as I'm concerned we deserve to get our asses kicked but good, we have noone else to blame but ourselves.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:39 PM
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10. up on Washington Post now (link)
-snips-

American forces aren't the only targets. Four British soldiers suffered minor wounds in a roadside explosion on the outskirts of the southern city of Basra on Monday, and police reported that the Iraqi governor of Diyala province was slightly wounded, along with two bodyguards and a bystander, when his car drove past a roadside bomb 60 miles northeast of Baghdad.

Those still free "obviously have the money to pay the average poor Iraqi to shoot at coalition forces," Smith said. (Smith, executive officer of the 4th Infantry Division's 1st Brigade)



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18309-2003Oct13.html
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 04:49 PM
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14. .....and counting
*
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:03 PM
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17. "Bring 'em On" Bush gets his wish. Again.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:08 PM
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18. PLEASE PLEASE EMAIL SEN LEVIN
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 08:15 PM by Mari333
and ask him not to allow any Michigan National Guard troops to be sent overseas as soon as you can..they want to send my sons unit over on Oct 24..please just tell him NO MORE TROOPS sent over and Bring them Home NOW...
Thank you
http://levin.senate.gov/contact.htm
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:28 PM
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20. Mari333...come join us in DC on October 25th....help us fight for
your son's lives and the lives of all young Americans...WE THE PEOPLE will once again stand up against war and DEMAND that our troops be brought home NOW !!!! All young men in our country should join us, if they want to stop the upcoming draft and save their own lives and limbs...the politicians will listen if LOTS of people come here to DC....

here is the Michigan buses so far....join up...we'd love to have you...many Veterans will be marching too...standing up for your sons.....jump on a bus and join us...!!!!!

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:34 PM
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21. I was going to but they want to ship my son out Oct 24
I want to be with him if he is forced to go. I dont want to miss one day with him..I was at the last 2 marches in DC (I was even at the Bush inaugaration protest)...before this stupid invasion...
Right now we are on the phone daily with Levins office, as is my son, and many other people talking to their military advisor in DC...
IF he or any of his unit has to go , it would be Oct 24...
Otherwise YES I would be in DC in a heartbeat. I just want to be with him now.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:46 PM
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22. Mari
I'll call his local office AND send him a short, heartfelt, handwritten letter tomorrow AM. I HATE hand writing letters, but they work better than e-mails.
John
Saginaw
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:51 PM
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23. Thank you I called 3 times
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 08:55 PM by Mari333
and my son called and faxed and talked to the military advisor there..Its all we can do
If they send the units overseas, which they have just ordered to many of the men who were SUPPOSED to be discharged (served their time), such as my son who has served his time, and they put a StopLock on him..well...
anyway thanks...so much..I just pray everyday he gets his discharge, which he was supposed to GET in Oct...and they lied and now they wont give it to him.
My son said tonight:
"Mom, they are DRAFTING US by using a StopLock program...ever so subtly DRAFTING all of us and forcing us to stay in, even tho we served our time.."
He is right.
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