CIA's Tenet was 'furious' over leak, Schumer says

[maddezmom]

By DOUGLAS TURNER
News Washington Bureau Chief
7/23/2005

WASHINGTON - Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., revealed Friday that two years ago he discussed the blown cover of CIA operative Valerie Plame with then CIA director George Tenet and that Tenet "was furious."
Tenet promptly called the Justice Department to demand an investigation into who in the Bush administration leaked Plame's identity to columnist Robert Novak, Schumer said at a hearing held by House and Senate Democrats.

Novak revealed Plame's identity in July 2003 in a column in which he said she played a key role in having her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, sent to Niger to investigate reports that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had tried to buy materials for a nuclear weapon there.

The Democratic panel heard from five former CIA operatives who said the disclosure of Plame's classified identity was a breach of the law that forbids government officials from revealing the identity of an undercover intelligence officer and a violation of trust that has harmed America's intelligence-gathering capabilities.


more:http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050723/1063162.asp

[joeunderdog]

1. See what happens when you fuck with the CIA?

They only let you get away with what they want you to get away with. And outing one of their own isn't one of those things.

[goclark]

3. Yep - let's hope they get to the bottom of Rove's barrel

[MadisonProgressive]

28. I hope bubba in prison does that...

[buckfush_in_2004]

80. Send them on a free vaction

to the Cross Bar Ranch Resort. :nopity:

[sundancekid]

2. if Tenet plays his spook cards right, he will have his chance to become

a hero when testifying before the world in some visible venue (that's my fantasy, anyway); after all, he'll have to tell the truth then - without being stuck with the usual political sacrifice-fly considerations...

and, for sweetest spook revenge, what are the busheviks gonna say about their medal winner in order to assassinate his character then??? NADA.

[Vinnie From Indy]

And He Will Get To Keep The Medal Smirky Gave Him

Who knows? He may get another medal!

[WhiteTara]

68. you mean you think he will

merit that medal of honor?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

78. He earned it many times over before his run-in with the NeoCons.

[WhiteTara]

79. he should have run for cover

when he saw those creeps coming rather than consort with the devil.

[UpInArms]

4. "irreparably damaged" national security

"Rather, it is a question of how we will go about protecting the citizens of this country in a very dangerous world. The undisputed fact is that we have irreparably damaged our capability to collect human intelligence and thereby significantly diminished our capability to protect the American people."

[Eloriel]

12. Irreparably -- wow

And what I don't get is how this administration thought that would be cool? Poppy Bush nearly OWNED the CIA, and now we have huge swaths of it (if not all of it), seem appropriately interested in bringing down the would-be dictator. Amazing world, isn't? Just no end to the harm hubris will inflict upon you (and, sadly, many others along the way).

[MadisonProgressive]

30. Heads up for future Presidents

Don't fuck with the CIA!

(I think dumbya was the only one that didn't understand that)

[LiberalFighter]

61. Make sure that poppy bush is loses CIA security clearance too

Maybe that will make poppy mad enough with his son that he...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

64. Do a little digging about the assassination of JFK and the....

...resignation of Nixon, and you might be surprised at what you might find. Unfortunately for them, they both tried to mess with the CIA.

[Cha]

70. That would be rove's

fault :)

[emulatorloo]

5. kicking n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. Yet Tenet took the Freedom Medal route instead of

the Person of Mettle route.

George Tenet? Ptooey!

[donsu]

18. I'll second that - Tenet is just as dirty as Rove, Cheney, smirk, etc.

it's too late for him to play hero

[Name removed]

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

50. It's much simpler to take the convoluted cloak and dagger

approach to taking down Chimp than a straight forward approach such as impugning the intelligence.

Ptooey!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

58. Keep your insulting remarks to yourself. When you can prove that...

...I'm wrong in my assessment of Tenet come back to me with real evidence.

Here's a question for you...what "straight forward aproach" by anyone was going to bring down Herr Busch and the NeoCon Junta at the zenith of their power just prior to the illegal invasion of Iraq?

In your haste to dismiss Tenet, you seem to have forgotten that the CIA, with input from Plame's global network, had been stating repeatedly that Iraq did not have WMDs. You seem to have also forgotten that the Pentagon-based OSP/OSI under Feith had been doctoring the CIA's WMD intelligence estimate before sending it on to Congress.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

83. What insulting remarks?

:shrug: If you're insulted by an opinion...

There certainly were and are elements in the CIA that fought/are fighting the bogus intel. Tenet isn't one of them.






Here's a question for you...what "straight forward aproach" by anyone was going to bring down Herr Busch and the NeoCon Junta at the zenith of their power just prior to the illegal invasion of Iraq?

Perhaps by not implicitly supporting the bogus intel by sitting behind Powell at the UN, for starters. By not using the phrase "Slam Dunk," for another. I'm not saying that Tenet could have "brought down" ChimpCo. I'm saying he shouldn't be praised for "propping it up."

I repeat: George Tenet? Ptooey!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

96. You're insulting, AND you're not paying attention....

...tell me who gave Woodward the "slam dunk" quote. If you can come up with anyone outside of a small circle of plotters at the Crawford ranch, let's hear it. Otherwise, the quote was fabricated by a guy known to fabricate quotes.

And tell me what else Tenet was supposed to do besides sitting behind Powell as long as he was working for the government? And how does that "implicitly support" anything except what you believe in your own mind?

I repeat...I find your posts to be personally insulting and devoid of any features normally found in a polite discussion. I will also add that you need to do a LOT of homework on Tenet and the CIA.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

48. Exactly.

:toast: to clear thinking human beings.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

63. If your definition of "clear thinking individuals" includes taking only...

...what you've read about Tenet in the captive mainstream media, then I would submit that your "clear thinking individuals" are pretty shallow in their thinking.

Sometimes analysis of complex issues requires doing something more than scratching the surface.

[otohara]

66. Dirtier IMO

he'll take his dirty lies to his grave before admiting his fucked up! He should have refused the medal, accepting a medal for creating a quagmire and killing thousands is filthy.

[bunny planet]

23. Did youever think he took the medal of freedom , knowing that he was

planning to expose these criminals all along. The medal of freedom may have fooled them into thinking that he was going along with them and not going to expose their lies. Perhaps Tenet really will be a hero after all. I haven't given up on that possibility yet.

[Uncle Joe]

31. I hope you are correct

Al Gore said he was a good man in a speech when Al asked him to resign about a week before Tenet actually did resign.

[bunny planet]

37. I hope so too and I remember that speech. I felt at the time that it

indicated Gore had confidence Tenet would do the right thing. It was almost a shout-out to him in the middle of the speech.

[Uncle Joe]

42. Yes in that same speech Al also asked for some other

resignations, or firings, if I remember correctly,it was Rumsfield and Wolfowitz and maybe someone else that I do not recall. The others being the corrupt bastards that they are did not take Al up on his plea.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. See #46.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. That's not an award that can be refused. IMHO, you should be....

...looking at what's going on below the surface instead of accepting public events at face value.

Tenet was a long-time CIA man, and he was VERY well-liked by CIA employees. Tenet had talked the talk and walked the walk...there was nothing he would ask his people to do that he hadn't already done himself. When Tenet publicly requested that the DoJ begin a criminal investigation, he wasn't fooling around...he was deadly serious.

Additionally, Tenet was VERY well-liked by people on both sides of the aisle in Congress, and I'm sure that the way Tenet was treated caused individual members of Congress to beging asking lots of questions.

Here's the bottom line, IMHO....only two presidents have tried to mess with the CIA, and neither one finished their current term. They were JFK and Nixon.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

46. Rationales of motives of intentions. Bullshit.

Instead of the cloak and dagger, backroom channel, taking down of a President, as you suggest...How about stepping forward in 2003 and saying "The intelligence is bullshit. I refuse to stand behind it."

Lives saved. Games avoided.

It's pretty simple. It's called character.

[bunny planet]

51. He just would've been smeared, like Wilson was, Clarke was, Paul O'Neil

was. Perhaps he now regrets his lack of character at the time, we just don't know.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

56. Tenet played the game to gain independence from the NeoCon....

...Junta. As an independent civilian he is able to do many things, such as testifying before a Grand Jury, that he could not do as a government employee.

"Lack of character"? Where does that come from? It was an invention of the NeoCons as fed to a then-captive mainstream media designed to destroy or diminish Tenet's credibility.

What the NeoCons didn't know, or completely ignored was the fact that Tenet's credibility would remain intact because of the support that he has among members of Congress, the CIA rank-and-file including those retired from the CIA, and all of those people throughout government and overseas with whom he had worked over the years.

[bunny planet]

57. lack of character comes from someone else's post in this thread, #46,

Not my opinion of Tenet btw.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

86. And yours in #51. I quote:

"Perhaps he now regrets his lack of character at the time, we just don't know."

And in response to your other post...

Of course Tenet would have been smeared. The measure of a man/woman is what they do when confronted with that situation. Wilson is confronting the smears head on and making progress. Tenet is spending more time with his family.

[bunny planet]

87. I should have put 'lack of character' in quotes in that response, because

I was quoting you and it was NOT my opinion of Tenet. I think that dealing with the Bush Crime Family, you have to use your skills at subterfuge, if you openly criticize them or allow them to know what you're up to you're finished, in some ways you have to go about it as secretively as they do, sort of catch them at their own game. This is what Tenet, a CIA lifer realizes about them, get them where they live but don't reveal what you are up to until they are ensnared. Wilson did confront them head on, and I commend him for it. Different man, different circumstances, he did not work for the administration at the time and so he was free to confront them. For Tenet, it was and is trickier. Surely you can see that. If he is helping the proscecution, I will be forever greatful, no matter what his timeframe or methods were in helping to bring them down.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

89. "If he is helping the proscecution"

If meet Skiff.
If and Skiff meet Boat Ride.

If If was a skiff, we'd all go for a boat ride.

[bunny planet]

90. Whatever.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

91. Please give me any indication that Tenet is helping the

Prosecution.

I'm willing to change my mind.

[bunny planet]

92. Sorry, don't have any proof for you other than a gut feeling and the fact

that Tenet is the one that asked the DOJ to begin the investigation in the first place. I think that there is a possibility that he cooperated with them at first in their Iraq plans and then they just crossed the line for him when they outed Plame.... or maybe he has been the fall guy from the beginning. Other than that I just have my gut feelings and instincts, who else knew more about both the CIA and the inner workings of the WH at the time. Who else quit his position and then all of a sudden there is a more serious bent to the investigation. Just a hunch, that's all I've got.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

93. See this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1647769&mesg_id=1649859


Nothing wrong with posting your hunches. As long as we understand that we're talking about your "hunch."

[bunny planet]

94. Did I ever indicate otherwise? It seems to me that without all the facts

in front of us yet, we are all just expressing our opinions about what may have transpired. I thought that was a given in this thread, we are all speculating because we don't know what Fitz has actually got or who gave it to him. I assumed you were just expressing your opinion as well, you seem to badly want my opinion and others here to agree with yours. Sorry.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

99. Nope, you didn't.

I welcome your opinion.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

55. #1. Read my post #44 on Tenet's biography; #2. What is it that you....

...don't understand about the fact that the NeoCons were going to have their war in Iraq no matter what anyone did to try to stop it?

Just out of curiousity, do you remember when Tenet was asked during the Congressional hearings about the comment he allegedly made at the Crawford ranch about Iraqi WMDs being a "slam-dunk"? Do you remember that he initially stated that he had not been in Crawford the day that the comment was allegedly made? Later, Tenet stated that he had "forgotten" that he was in Crawford that day...how does anyone with his organizational skills "forget" that he was in Crawford? How was he "convinced" to change his mind? Think about the ruthlessness of the NeoCons and their willingness to do anything to retain power, and I think you'll have the answer.

Do you also remember that the "slam-dunk" comment was supposedly a quote Bob Woodward had gotten from one or more NeoCons present at that meeting at the Crawford ranch? Do you also recall that Woodward has strongly supported the NeoCons every step of the way since they took power in December 2000? Do you happen to recall Woodward's military background and his involvement in breaking the Watergate story as an 18 month "veteran" journalist? How about his alleged "interview" of a dying William Casey who was completely unable to talk?

"Character"? Tenet has it, and has proven it many times. The CIA rank-and-file knows the game Tenet is playing and they are supporting him by doing anything that can to help bring the NeoCons down. Where do you think all of the leaked information is coming from?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

85. OK. I just did.

We agree that Iraq was a done deal. What we don't appear to agree on are the actions of Tenet.

With the exception of jump starting Plame (which I feel proves my point-more on that later), are his actions those of a "good guy?" You point out yourself the "I forgot I was in Crawford" episode. In a post upthread I mention the obvious implicit support that he gave to fixed intel by sitting behind Powell at the UN. We also have the matter of "Slam Dunk."

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the sense that I get of your argument is that Tenet was under mortal threat every step of the way. He suddenly "remembers" he was in Crawford because of this threat. He sits behind Powell because of this threat. He doesn't point out that Woodward (whom we both agree is a hack) misattributed "Slam Dunk" because of this threat. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, he's getting Plame rolling, allowing CIA personnel to speak OTR knowing the damage that they will do. Basically, he's spitting in the soup. Is this a fair charcterization of your argument?

Now, the problem I have is "Why all the games?" But first read his own words: http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2004/tenet_georgetownspeech_02052004.html (Nice bullshit in here about UAV's) This is nothing but more gamesmanship.

First we must address the question of whether Tenet was under mortal threat, the apparent reason for a good man acting in a way contrary to his own instincts. You say yourself that he had the widespread support of those in Congress, across party lines, not to mention that he was the head of the CIA! This is a guy that knows where the bodies are buried. All of them. I don't buy that ChimpCo could effectively threaten this man without assuring their own destruction. Remember that he has the backing of the Agency and the Congress, as you so adroitly pointed out. As a matter of fact, the DCI is probably one of the few people in the world in that enviable position.

Second, "Why all the games?" Instead of all the internal machinations to take down ChimpCo he could have simply stated that the CIA did not stand behind the intel and that to be more precise, the intelligence was being cooked. But as his speech at Georgetown points out, he was publicly reinforcing the talking points. Therefore, he wasn't a valiant crusader against ChimpCo, taking them down from the inside, he was a minion.

Thirdly, Plame. This he had to do. The outing of Plame was so beyond the pale that if Tenet had failed to push for an investigation he would have lost all support from the rank and file. Plame is unprecedented. It's an outrage. I contend that Tenet wasn't pushing Plame to take down ChimpCo, he was pushing Plame because he HAD to. It goes to the raison d'etre of establishing CIA credibility. The fact that he hasn't been more vocal about this outrage goes to my point that Tenet was a willing participant and not the hero that you make him out to be.

Finally, "Tenet took a 'bullet to protect the lower-ranking CIA employees that had been forced to falsify data on Iraq.'" Funny, I see it as Tenet taking a bullet for ChimpCo, exempting them from reponsibility for cooking the intel in the first place. If he was taking a bullet for the rank and file he would have called a press conference and the text would have consisted of this:

"Ladies and Gentleman,

It's all bullshit!

Thank you and goodnight."

[Media_Lies_Daily]

97. No, your post is all....

...bullshit. Every single bit of it.

Good luck with finding people that won't be laughing at your naive "arguments".

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

100. Thank you for the in-depth analysis of my post.

I asked you to correct any misinterpretations that I may have.

Just because I dismiss Tenet's bullshit doesn't mean I'm discarding yours. :evilgrin:

[pretzel4gore]

72. the cia is taxpayer funded

and one would think that a popular president like jfk could, w/out risk to himself or his family, order the cia to reflect the US government's ideas rather then some gouty old white supremist sitting on a toilet in dallas....the ancient greeks argued democracy could never work because the 'strongmen' who carried out the will of the elected reps would do as you say; destroy a politician they felt disobeyed them....one of the features that make the US democratic experiment unique was the idea of separate powers, with the executive beholden to the legislature, and the judiciary arbitrating the differences....
bush is a different animal then even nixon or jfk's worst enemies accuse them of: bush hates america, he 'won' a trifecta when the worst terror event in history was used against it; he and his admin depend upon chaos and lies to survivew day to day- the economic damage the busheviks have done still need to be assessed

[democratic veteran]

7. He should be.

He let W talk him in to supporting this war. Hope he kept copies of his own communications.

[goforit]

8. TREASON......the worst of its kind.

[dArKeR]

9. Every Ambassador's wife is a target of ASSASSINATION, now and forever.

Up to this point, it was speculation/hearsay that the CIA used such positions as Covert Agents. (Just as the CIA completely denies it uses reporters or non-profit relief organization personnel as Covert Agents. The same the CIA said about Ambassadors' spouses. But now aWol/Cheney/Rove/Libby have proven to the world this is truth. How much more damage could one do to our Nation's fight against terrorism and WMDs?

Why doesn't CNN, MSNBC, Meet The Whore, CBS... air any of these tapes over the last 3 decades of the CIA and White House and Presidents... denying CIA Covert Agents in these types of positions? It has to be collusion/racketeeting between Bush/Cheney and the Media Industrial Complex.


PS. Since I know Cheney/aWol knew/authorized Rove/Libby the only way out is murder. Resignation is impossible because the others can't trust the person will keep quiet. So either Rove or Libby will be murdered (looks like a suicide.) You've got the Casey Syndrome. The only other way out is if Rove/Libby find an Oswald they can murder and pin it on. If not, one of them will be murdered by Cheny/aWol.

[dansolo]

13. They weren't married when he was an Ambassador

I don't believe that Joe Wilson and Valarie Plame had even met until after he was no longer an ambassador.

[dArKeR]

15. I didn't know that. I thought, or at least the wording of several

mainstream reports led the reader to assume this. I'd like to find the facts on this. I would never purposely spread disinformation.

It seems to me if an agent should resign this duty if they became a spouse of a public figure. Don't you think this would be the moral and honorable thing for a moral and honorable nation to do?

[Garbo 2004]

27. Wilson's Ambassadorship ended in '95. He met Plame in '97

(according to the Vanity Fair article). Retired from gov't service in '98. Married Plame that same year. Wilson's bio from the consulting firm he works for:

Ambassador Wilson served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council from June 1997 until July 1998. In that capacity he was responsible for the coordination of U.S. policy to the 48 countries of sub-Saharan Africa, He was one of the principal architecs of President Clinton's historic trip to Africa in March 1998.

Ambassador Wilson was the Political Advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of United States Armed Forces, Europe, 1995-1997. He served as the U.S. Ambassador to the Gabonese Republic and to the Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe from 1992 to 1995...
http://www.cpsag.com/our_team/wilson.html

[flyarm]

34. THEY QERE NOT MARRIED WHEN WILSON WAS AMBASSADOR!

and why should we loose a top noc because of who they marry??

do men give up their position when their wife is an ambassador?? or a public figure??

[yardwork]

52. Plame developed her own career in the CIA long before she met Wilson

Plame was not made a CIA agent because she was married to Wilson. She met and married him years after she established her career all by herself. Yes, it's amazing, but some women actually do have their very own careers!

/sarcasm off

[whosinpower]

10. I think he and Bush had a conversation

About this - and Bush nonchalance tipped Tenet over the edge and he quit. Bush doesn't really care about this investigation. Not in the sense of really wanting to get to the bottom of the scandal; if it weren't for Tenet - the investigation never would of occured.

[flyarm]

35. and bet the farm powell is knee deep in helping the prosecutor!! n/t

[Burried News]

11. Loyalty to the GOP is not loyalty to the Republic.

[I Have A Dream]

19. This is great, Buried News.

I really like the "Loyalty to the GOP is not loyalty to the Republic" quote. It very succinctly states the truth.

[Demeter]

67. Quite the Opposite, Really

The culture war is against America and the culture that made her what she was for hundreds of years.

[DeepModem Mom]

14. REALLY interesting info! So is Tenet helping Fitzgerald bigtime? nt

[kestrel91316]

16. My question exactly - has Tenet testified before the GJ?????

[Straight Shooter]

17. The Republicans will spin it as partisan. Tenet is a Democrat.

So, as far as they're concerned, he's infected with "Clintonitis," having served under the Clenis.

I thought the Medal of Freedom award was a travesty of justice, being awarded to those clowns by bush, but now I see that it's a good argument as the poster above noted.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

44. Tenet was a long-time CIA employee (link to biography inside)....

...and tried very hard to be politically non-partisan. He was VERY well-liked by Congresspeople on both sides of the aisle. Here's his chronological biography:

George J. Tenet
<http://www.usiraqprocon.org/BiosInd/Tenet.htm>

Every single item in Tenet's resume tells you that he was a career spook, starting with his education at Georgetown and Columbia. His education fits the profile of people brought into the CIA to be groomed for advancement and future senior roles.

Based on the fact that his parents were Greek, Tenet's first PUBLIC job was as a research director for the American Hellenic Institute from 1978-1979. This cover job allowed Tenet to perform espionage functions while travelling to and from Greece...a job he did very well because he knew the language and customs as learned from his parents.

His next job from 1979-1982 allowed Tenet to travel anywhere in the world as an employee of the Solar Energy Industries Association. Again, he performed espionage functions as required.

From 1982-1993, Tenet performed intelligence liaison duties for Congress, and this is where he earned his reputation for being completely impartial. Additionally, because some folks will question whether or not Tenet was CIA from 1978-1982, you don't get an intelligence liaison job with Congress without prior Agency experience.

In 1993, he became part of Clinton's staff, culminationg in the position of Special Advisor to the President and senior director for intelligence programs at the National Security Council from 1993-1995.

In 1995 he became Deputy Director, CIA, until 1996 when he became Acting Director after John Deutch's resignation as Director, CIA.

In 1997, he was appointed by Clinton as the Director of the CIA.

Following the Coup of December 2000, Herr Busch could have appointed anyone else as his new CIA Director, but chose instead to keep Tenet. He would not have done that if it hadn't been for the support Tenet had among the Republican members of Congress...proving once again Tenet's impartiality.

Tenet accepted responsibility for actions forced upon the CIA by the NeoCon Junta, taking a bullet to protect the lower-ranking CIA employees that had been forced to falsify data on Iraq. Tenet also solidified his support from the CIA rank-and-file when he demanded that the DoJ begin a criminal investigation into the outing of Ms. Plame. Additionally, Tenet gave permission for former CIA officers to speak publicly about the Plame affair, something that is rarely done.

In summary, Tenet has been vilified by the press and by quite a few people on this board, but IMHO, he is one of the heroes in the ongoing efforts to have the NeoCons removed from the centers of U. S. power.

[Straight Shooter]

20. Axis of Treason: bush, cheney, rove

One may assume that they now huddle together and, in a bizarre twist of fate, toast one another with a Franklin quote: "We must all hang together or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

As you wish, you traitors. As you wish.

[emad]

21. Guardian: Bush aide misled FBI, say reports

Bush aide misled FBI, say reports

Julian Borger in New York
Saturday July 23, 2005
The Guardian

The investigation into the White House leak of a CIA agent's identity is now focusing on whether two top administration officials provided misleading statements to the FBI, it was reported yesterday.
According to press accounts, Karl Rove, the president's chief political adviser, and Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice-president's chief of staff, both provided testimony that was later contradicted by other evidence.

The revelations come at a time when the burgeoning scandal over the outing of a CIA undercover agent, Valerie Plame, is threatening to engulf the White House.

Ms Plame was the wife of a government critic, Joseph Wilson, who had questioned the justification of the Iraq invasion, and the leak is alleged to have been an attempt to discredit or intimidate him.
In an initial round of interviews with investigators, Mr Rove is reported to have omitted to mention that he had discussed the agent's identity with a Time reporter in July 2003, a few days after Mr Wilson had published a highly critical article.

According to a Bloomberg news agency report, Mr Libby testified that he had first heard about Ms Plame from an NBC television journalist, Tim Russert. But according to NBC, Mr Russert denied the claim in his evidence to a grand jury last year.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1534684,00.html

[Stinky The Clown]

22. Something tells me Fitzgerald is getting inside info from the CIA

in much the same way the FBI's Mark Felt was 'deep throat', I have this gut feeling that some inside the CIA, even now, are giving info to Fitzgerald.

I think Fitzgerald is working on two fronts. On one, he's looking into the leak and the leakers/conspiritors/liars. On the second front, he's looking into (mis)use of the CIA apparatus by idiot son to get his war on.

[glitch]

24. I heard that awhile back - Fraud against the US Govt. Very serious.

misusing the CIA as well as trashing the assets of the US Govt (it would be interesting to know exactly how much money was invested in the whole Brewster-Jennings operation, all the employees, all their training, everything from inception to outing).

[flyarm]

36. 13 years of investments of human intel , and operatives ..

throughout the world ..down the drain!!
and thats not counting how many may have been killed !

[maryallen]

26. No sh*t ...

Keep it up, spy bots ...

[MadisonProgressive]

32. He doesn't have to get it from INSIDE the CIA

Remember that there were many people working in the CIA at the time this all occured that are no longer there. Remember the 'house cleaning' by Porter Goss? These people are probably just a little pissed and they know A LOT!

[leesa]

25. But he tucked his tail and supported the unjustified invasion and

the obstruction of the investigation into 9-11. He accepted the Medal of Honor for betraying his country.

[pfitz59]

29. CYA!

First rule in guvmint! Tenent just flapping in the breeze.....

[Media_Lies_Daily]

49. Sometimes you have to be willing to accept short-term pain to lay the....

...groundwork for payback sometime in the future. Additionally, because of the fact that Tenet is no longer in government service, he is free to testify against the NeoCons

By the way, Tenet accepted the Medal of Honor for his 25 years of service in the CIA and to his country, not for giving Herr Busch what he wanted. Most people simply cannot understand that the NeoCons were going to go to war in Iraq no matter what anyone tried to do to stop it.

Herr Busch and the NeoCons are the traitors here, not Tenet.

[leesa]

73. What makes you believe Tenet would tesify against BushCo?? He could

have stopped it BEFORE it cost so many tens of thousands of lives. I'm hopeful too, but I have seen no evidence that Tenet has any courage to face up to them. He is complicit after all.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

76. You need to do a lot more research, IMHO....

...Who was it that requested that the DoJ launch a criminal investigation into who leaked the information that exposed Ms. Plame?

Who was it that gave permission to the retired CIA officers to speak publicly about the Plame case?

Who do you think has been leaking information about the NeoCons for the last two years?

Now ask yourself why Fitzgerald would let it be publicly known that he's ALREADY interviewed Tenet as a witness for the prosecution?

I'm sorry, but you know very little about George Tenet and what he's capable of doing to defend an institution for whom he worked at least 25 years.

[fooj]

33. Those SOB's can spin it right up their assholes!

The bottom line is what is wrong is wrong. Period. No getting around it. I am so sick of their sanctimonious BS...lying bastards can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. They have put EVERY AMERICAN in jeopardy by their devisive, partisan bullshit and I've had just about enough. They (all repubs) must shoulder the responsibility of sitting back, DOING NOTHING, and silently watching as their party sold out to the imposters that run Our House. They are not fit to call themselves Americans, IMO. This isn't just about the politicians in DC. This is about Americans who aided and abbedded these evil, maniacal monsters and I don't believe that their participation in all of this madness should bear no consequence. Actions have consequences. Every spineless repub in this country owns this bullshit. That's right. Ownership. They own this evil. Now what are they going to do about it?

Peace.

[flyarm]

38. it could not be said better!!

thank you!!

[pfitz59]

41. Ditto....

[delete_bush]

45. very well said, and you point to

the idea that we need to start painting ALL Republicans and supporters of this admin for what they are or have become.

Little George ain't running in 2008, and unless we tie all repukes to this administration the GOP spin is going to be that while Chimpy may have made a few mistakes, was too loyal to a few friends of questionable character, yada yada yada, it's now 2008 and we need to move on with our new candidate.

My sense, from the very few R's that I have had conversations with, is that although they believe the Iraq war has been mismanaged, this is more the fault of one man vs. their party as a whole. Chimpy’s an easy target, but he’s merely the rotting head of a party that is, as you say, selling out our country.

[Burried News]

65. What are THEY going to do about it? You are right fooj.

"This isn't just about the politicians in DC. This is about Americans who aided and abbedded these evil, maniacal monsters and I don't believe that their participation in all of this madness should bear no consequence. Actions have consequences. Every spineless repub in this country owns this bullshit. That's right. Ownership. They own this evil. Now what are they going to do about it?"

[DS1]

43. It's amazing that Novak still walks the earth

Look for a suiciding soon.

[yardwork]

53. Well, he did "fall and break his hip" after outing Plame

It was interesting timing, I thought. After his "accident in the hotel room in which he fell in the bathroom and broke his hip" Novak got real quiet all of a sudden.

[DS1]

54. Yeah, I guess the CIA is so desperate, they didn't read the entire

handbook, which specically states that a fall from 13 stories is a guaranteed kill, not 13 inches.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

60. I bet it was another group sending a signal....

...and their headquarters are in the White House.

The CIA would have had no reason to go after Novak. Their reasoning was pretty obvious...that Novak was a much better weapon when turned back on the NeoCons. Don't forget that Novak has testified before the Grand Jury...no telling what he was willing to say to save his cowardly butt from prison.

[DS1]

62. It was a metaphysical joke

I mean, if justice was truth, and truth was justice, then Novak would have been eliminated the moment he submitted his article that outed a CIA operative the moment he submitted it.

[bunny planet]

59. Yes, I noticed that story too. Perhaps someone snuck into his hotel room

and removed the non-slip bathmat or non-slip flowers from the tub.

[Disturbed]

71. Clarifying.

Tenet did admit to the "Slam dunk" remark and said that he regretted saying it. He went along with the Powell UN sham, sat right behind
Powell. Tenet did warn the Govt about Ahmed Chalabi's con games and duplicit dealings with Iran. I still suspect that he was fired becaus ehe was resisting the Neocon agenda and was starting to become vocal about the Bush Regime scapegoating of the CIA regarding WMDs, which the Bush Regime knew damn well were not in Iraq. The Bush Regime planned to scapegoat the CIA all along, as soon as David Kay reported that there were no WMDs.

The DSM is starting to come together with the Plame outing and the fake Niger docs.

Many former CIA are pissed off!. Don't they know how to deal with people that screw them over?

[Cha]

69. So, rove/cheney gang not only did it..they're trying

to cover it up!!

"Another former CIA operative, Larry Johnson, said "we must put to bed the lie that (Plame) was not undercover. For starters, if she had not been undercover, then the CIA would not have referred the matter to the Justice Department."

Johnson said that "despite the repeated claims of representatives for the Republican National Committee, the Wilsons' neighbors did not know where Valerie really worked until Novak's op-ed appeared."

Rep. Henry A. Waxman, D-Calif., said Bush is "affirmatively" required by several presidential directives to discipline any official in his administration who had a role in leaking classified information.

Bush cannot wait for an indictment and trial to determine whether leakers committed a crime, Waxman said. Presidential directives mandate he discipline all who had a role."

[Bill Bored]

74. Gee, let's see, two guys from NYC;

one Greek, one Jewish, one from Queens, one from Brooklyn. Not exactly Skull & Bones material, are they?

Shrub lets their town (NYC) get attacked because he can't read a fucking memo (sent by the Greek guy in fact!), and then he attacks the wrong country based on false intelligence which he blames on the Greek guy and also outs one of the Greek guy's covert operatives and her front company that works on WMD for real.

Yeah, I can see why the Jewish guy from Brooklyn might say the Greek guy from Queens was a little pissed off after that!

The only question I have about this is why did Tenet come up with that "slam dunk" crap? Perhaps he was just towing Shrub's line, not unlike the dummies who voted for him, until they too were betrayed?

On edit: Just read post #55! Cool beans!

But anyway, don't ya just :loveya: NY?

[spanone]

75. So they gave him the medal of freedom and he shut up?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

77. No, they gave him the medal of freedom and in their infinite....

...arrogance, they ASSUMED he would shut up.

They assumed wrong. Too many pieces of information floating around that could only come from one direction.

[NVMojo]

81. With balls out in the open, may the CIA move forward and not stop

until Bush's Brain is a dead man walking.

[ngGale]

82. This has been an interesting thread to read ...

I too, think Tenent is a good guy. When Novak broke his hip, I had the same reaction - a keep quiet from Bush. Read today researching that Goss is not being allowed inside Bush's meetings. I have problems with Goss, but thinking back - would he stomp the CIA his country and lifetime job. Just may be changing my opinion about him, if Bush doesn't want Goss around - he's afraid. Goss was close to Poppy, there is a lot of history there. Was w out to destroy our country and his father's legacy? He's an emotional bag of tricks, that's for sure. No wonder Poppy is hanging out with Big Bill, he would have nobody to confide in, because of national security reasons. IMO, Poppy would allow the CIA to bring w down. w doesn't love his country, he doesn't know what love or patriotism is.

Sack him CIA, you are the only hope we have. :patriot:

[truthisfreedom]

84. he certainly doesn't love his mother.

otherwise he wouldn't trot her out to make fun of her over and over again. and that's all he's good at... making fun of humans.

[screembloodymurder]

88. Why didn't he make a stink when he had the chance?

Doesn't anyone have the balls?

[bunny planet]

95. David Kelly made a stink in the UK and look where he ended up.......

Dead.

These crime family is just that, a crime family, and they won't hesitate to 'whack' people if it helps them stay out of trouble and meet with their agenda. Tenet needed to be very careful if he was going to be the one to drop the dime on these people. IMHO

[Media_Lies_Daily]

98. Does Tenet have a family? Think about it.